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Person Lists 18 Alarming Facts That Show How “Our World Was Not Built For Women”

Person Lists 18 Alarming Facts That Show How “Our World Was Not Built For Women”

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If you ever feel like being a woman in this world is somehow hard, it may be because it is. What does it mean for a woman to live in a world that’s predominantly designed by men? Does it make women less visible and less heard? These are crucial questions that we don’t really have the answers to straight away.

But Karly Hou, a sophomore at Harvard in computer science, math, and economics, has recently posted an illuminating thread on Twitter that has shed some light on the current state of gender bias which, in many cases, is not so obvious. “Our world was not built for women,” Karly made a strong statement before proceeding to list all eighteen disturbing examples of how it’s hostile to female identities.

From simple things like smartphones and cars to military equipment and recommended drug dosages, these are the things most of us have been taking for granted. Maybe, until now?

And she listed these disturbing examples of how our world wasn’t built for women

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The world population is projected to reach 9.9 billion by 2050, an increase of more than 25% from the current 2020 population of 7.8 billion. While more than half of this 7.8 billion are women, the heads of governments, corporations, and other influential voices are those of males.

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Many feminist researchers claim that this is the case because the “default male” is the figure our world is designed around. According to one such author, Caroline Criado Perez, the male that serves as a stand-in for “human” may have very real and often damaging consequences.

From longer wait times at the loos to phones that simply don’t fit female hands, these are some of the annoying things women have to find their ways around. Some though can be truly lethal, like protective clothing that wasn’t built according to female proportions, or misdiagnosing heart diseases in female patients.

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But the default male problem is much greater than just manifesting in daily activities or objects. Turns out, it’s something that permeates the very language we use to talk about such things. According to feminist legal scholar Catharine MacKinnon, the #MeToo campaign has achieved what the law couldn’t.

“Culturally, it is still said ‘women allege’ or ‘claim’ they were sexually assaulted. Those accused ‘deny what was alleged.’ What if we changed the emphasis and said that survivors ‘report’ and the accused ‘alleges’ or ‘claims’ it didn’t happen?” Prior to #MeToo, society has privileged the male accused while framing women’s reports as suspect.

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The problem takes us to the point that gender bias is an unconscious matter that we are all “infected by” from an early age. Feminism is part of the process to “unlearn it,” but it needs more radical shifts in thinking while we frame the default male concept as inherently problematic.

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The worst for me is how medicine has always been focused on men. (I know that this was mentioned I just hate it). Women are rarely studied and diseases that only affect women are barely researched. Doctors still have the idea that women are "hysterical" if they describe pain; studies showed that women need to express much more pain to get the same painkillers than men and that often are prescribed with anti anxiety medication instead of getting a diagnositic. A perfect example is endometriosis; it is as common as diabetes but because it only affects women it was barely researched. The average time for a diagnosis is between 7-10 years because women are not believed when they say that they are in pain and because most doctors arent educated in menstrual problems. It took me 10 years to get a diagnostic and one to get a treatment. In total I have visited 13 doctors between GPs and Gyns and only one ever treated me with decency.

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Juniper
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't get me started about mental health. Women are often misdiagnosed or not diagnosed at all. My friend got first dismissed as hormonal and sensitive, then "just" depressed and anxious. Took her literal years to get the right diagnosis - schizoaffective disorder.

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Nubmaeme
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At the risk of getting downvoted in oblivion, I must say that this why we need more women in STEM studies than in gender studies. More women engineers/designers/etc would mean better clothing, equipment, and facilities.

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Kathryn Baylis
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If anybody downvotes you, it’s probably a man who’s scared shitless of competing with a woman—-he knows he’ll lose, because he really isn’t qualified and/or was a D student in school (whereas the woman was most likely both highly qualified and an A student), and has been getting by ONLY because he’s part of the “old boys network”.

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John Louis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This post is among the most effective post on gender that boredpanda has ever presented. We need to see more of this and keep it at the forefront.

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Celeste Grant
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Completely agree! This needs to be more widely researched and more people need to be aware that 50% of the population are not catered for!

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Jonathan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Regarding PPE, I don't know who the model was for the sizing because our aprons at work go down to the top of my shoes! Covid has shown us that PPE has been designed terribly but it had mostly gone unnoticed.

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Brandy Grote
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. I buy "tween" size face masks, and they fit. Can't get the VA to get me a child size CPAP mask, then they ask me why I don't use the huge thing!

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NavyDave
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another thing is that stuff traditionally considered feminine is not made for men. Oven mitts, for example, are often too small for men's larger hands, as well as the handles on vacuum cleaners.

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Leo Domitrix
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

(sarcasm engaged) Men use vacuum cleaners? (sarcasm disengaged) In seriousness, I'm taller than average for a female, and OMG, the mitts handles, etc.? Hello?! We are not all five-five or whatever height it is they use. Camping gear, fine, great. Kitchen/cleaning, no. UGH. So, even females have the issue, and feel your pain. Literally, at times.

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Marija Kreckovic Gavrilovic
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Carolin Criado-Perez actually wrote a book about this in 2019. It's called "Invisible women - Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men". It's fantastic, but be warned - it will get your blood boiling.

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Iapetos
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jeez. If you can't relate to a female protagonist, that's a big YOU problem.

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A.M. Pierre
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I remember when the Tomb Raider reboot came out. They were so scared that male gamers wouldn't be able to handle playing as a woman that they framed it not as "You'll want to play as this great character, Lara Croft" but "You'll want to protect Lara on this journey" and even added an attempted rape scene so that male players would feel empathy for her. Honestly, every bit of that is such an insult to men.

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Leo Domitrix
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speakng from a medical nerdiness perspective, one issue often causing discomfort for females is... relative pelvic girth. The female pelvis is designed by nature to allow the passage of a baby, and is wider in general than a male pelvis. This makes seating (designed with an average man in mind) feel odd to women. And I do not mean "overweight". I mean, it's just wider. Measure from one iliac crest to the other in post-adolescent males versus females. The iliac crests in men are also "higher" relative to women, so they get a narrower "look". Women's sacral curve is also greater than a man's. this means, yes, our butts are different and it does affect things like comfort in airplane/car/train seats; dining chairs; pick something. Half population roughly female, half roughly male, and yet... *sigh*

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ergonomics may increase enjoyment and productivity, but it also can cost a significant amount of money to implement. Many industrial designers still take the "tractor seat" approach because it creates a one-size-fits-all design that economizes production resources (go out to the factory and find the guy with the biggest butt, sit him in plaster, and use that cast to design your seat). Likewise, customers are less-likely to buy equipment or furniture that may wind up being too small for future employees. This is a fantastic reason to be self-employed, we can buy everything we need for exactly our size.

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1.) I have been known to tinker with my motorbike occasionally. There are "ladies" tools but they're overwhelmingly coloured pink or floral and are usually of lower quality than "men's" tools. Now I just use hubby's Snap-On kit... 2.) I'm 51 and have ADD. Only I don't because "women don't get autism"...

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Hannah M
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But...... ADD isn't autism. They have some similar symptoms, but ADD isn't on the autism spectrum. Unless you meant ASD?

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Iapetos
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes to everything on this list, though I think a lot of it is also a "tall vs short person" problem. And yeah, the treatment of the one standard human really sucks, and it's everywhere, and it's the main reason we need feminism: That men are just seen as the norm. That women are perceived as "too complicated" to study is honestly an offense to science.

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K.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sporting a messy bun, reindeer socks, wearing mismatching undergarments, and haven’t been to the gym in ages, but boy do I feel special to grasp basic female physiology. All jokes aside, refusing to include more diverse types of bodies and conditions because it’s “too complicated” in clinical trials is a dangerous ideology for all of us.

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Mad Mar
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I work in a male dominated field. Sandblasting. I work on cabinets. The gloves I need to use are made for someone with bear sized hands. So I have to scrunch them to hold object causing my hands to be in displaced positions for long periods of time. Let alone turning and shifting objects. Also the machines are at a height of an average man. At least I'm 5'7" so I can use them, but the material comes in 50 lb bags. Like cement. So I have to pick them up an toss it on my shoulder from the ground, walk around the shop an then add to the machine. I'm the only female in my shop. When hired I was asked if I could lift the bag and I did. No other man has had to do that. I've outlasted 36 men over 5 years. I do love what I do. I just get frustrated that I have to adapt to male sized s**t. Not a small medium large. (Oh the plastic gloves always an only are ordered in xl so they fall off my hands or get caught when working on clean parts)

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

C.F.R 1910.138(b) "Selection: Employers shall base the selection of the appropriate hand protection on an evaluation of the performance characteristics of the hand protection relative to the task(s) to be performed, conditions present, duration of use, and the hazards and potential hazards identified." OSHA mandates that your employer provide you with gloves which perform adequately for the tasks you as assigned. It sounds like your gloves are inadequate, please bring that up to the inspector the next time your workplace is inspected. OSHA violations are $3k/day fine until the violation is resolved.

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ScarlettofHydraIsland
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can relate. My ankle had been hurting for weeks, and dumb@$$ that I am, I kept trying to run on it. The first (male) doctor I went to blew me off, said it was just a sprain, and suggested that my pain tolerance is low. I went to a second (female) doctor later, and shock I had two stress fractures and a chunk of bone missing from my tibia. Low pain tolerance, my @$$. I’m still salty about that since thanks to that first doctor, I missed my entire cross country season.

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NMN
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where the heck do you live? Anytime I've had any pain in members/joints, I'd go to an orthopedician and they'd ask for X-rays and MRIs, no fuss. And all of them were male and I've gone A LOT. Actually only once I've gone with a woman, and the only time my pain was dismissed and treated as "bad posture". Nevertheless she asked for an X-Ray (but she was incompetent and did not notice the extra huge piece of bone I had). You might be in an area with bad orthopedists.

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Hiker Chick
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yup, and steel toed boots are hard to find in women's sizes. The smallest men's sizes are too big for me, so I have to special-order construction boots even though my feet are a very average women's size. Same with rubber chemical boots - our department has them in every size, but they only come in men's so I have to clomp around in boots that are way too big.

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a lovely little pair of steelies for work. They have purple lining. Because I'm a girly... and don't get me started on motorbike gear. If I see one more pink swirl on a ladies jacket I'm going to stomp on it.

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Catherine Côté
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Non-neurotypical behavior is WAY less seen in women and girls. Think of ADHD. I have been suffering all my life feeling like an idiot, left out, impulsive, exhausted, anxious and no one saw in me the symptoms of ADHD. Even today my father will pretend I'm not or argue with me because most known symptoms are how boys/men react to ADHD. Thank god I developped a spine, else my caretakers would have me sit still and pretend I only have anxiety.

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• Lemønchu •
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I'm dying and need CPR, I DON'T CARE IF YOU TOUCH MY BOOBS, JUST SAVE MY LIFE.

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Miranda Small
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was also a huge issue where men refused to do mouth to mouth resusitation if it was a woman. Ridiculous

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Naomi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

phones keep getting bigger and woman's pockets keep getting smaller

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Truth Monster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I put my phone behind a bra strap. Its tacky as hell, but its damn convenient not to have to dig it out of my purse/bag/ overloaded pockets

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Sara R
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always wondered why men and women's bathrooms are the same sizes. Women naturally take longer, so it just makes sense to make women's bathrooms larger, or men's smaller.

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly we should just make unisex toilets with closed stalls. So both men and women can use them.

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Hiker Chick
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was shopping for leather work gloves a few weeks ago in a big box hardware store. There was a very large selection of men's work gloves, all materials and uses, in the hardware section. Where did I eventually find women's gloves? In the gardening section, only one style choice that was not thin fabric. I had my choice of 16 pretty and flowery thin cloth gloves or one style of leather heavy duty gloves. Oh, and that was the second store I had to check because the same chain store in my town had zero women's work gloves.

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Big box stores aren't a great place to look for workwear, generally. I recommend you visit an industry supply house, they have far more specialized stuff than the box stores. Truck stops are pretty good too, "Trucker gloves" are some of the most versatile work gloves I have owned.

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Iapetos
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What pathetic kind of military is this that needs certain soldiers to remove protective stuff from their gear?

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Stille20
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sure it also means soldiers of varying size are not as well protected.

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Carole Deem
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another reason women take longer in bathrooms, Have you seen some of the outfits? undo the belt, undo the button, pull down the zipper, roll down the pantyhose/leggings, and some of us wash our hands.

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Lorelai Purvis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah! We have the craziest outfits to put on and take off. It's incredibly annoying.

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Adina Milea
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone did write a book about it, it’s called Invisible women: Exposing data bias in a world designed for men by Caroline Criado-Perez, it addresses all points raised above plus many more. Brilliant and infuriating read

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Nancy Mac
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seat belts! I have to constantly pull out away from my neck! They won't save me in a crash because I'll have been choked to death with one!

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Lorelai Purvis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some cars actually have adjustable seatbelts. My mom keeps hers on the lower setting because she's too short for the higher setting. If the car you're riding in has those kind of seatbelts, I think putting them on the lower setting might work. Not trying to be rude.

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Anna K.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

May I point out that modern-day kitchens are clearly not designed for most women, even though statistically we still tend to do more of the cooking? I'm 5'5". My mom is 5'2". My tallest female friend is 5'7". All of us struggle to reach most of the cabinet space in our own kitchens, and in newer kitchens, work triangles are much too big for our comparatively shorter legs. The best kitchens for women I personally have seen were in Cinderella Ranch houses from the 1950s - the builder designed the houses to meet the needs of housewives, not their husbands, and it REALLY shows in the kitchens. I, personally, had the easiest time cooking when I had a kitchen built in 1967. I could reach 2/3 of the shelves and nothing was more than three steps away. Also, I'm an artist who works with some very sharp tools, and I CANNOT find safety goggles/glasses small enough for my normal-sized head.

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Though contrast that with bathrooms in those same houses, the sinks are so low they're quite uncomfortable for a 6' person to use.

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MagNat
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, that's depressing. But bringing attention to issues like these is much needed.

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Maya P
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This IS a book! Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado-Perez. It's great!

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Marianna Crider
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I swear every time I change out the batteries on the lawnmower, saw, weed wacker, etc. They are all made to accommodate the spread of large hands. The industry answer is to make tools for "women" that are smaller scale and basically useless. Grrrrr.

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Isaac7lego
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stuff that is based on the average man is big to anybody who is not the same size, not just women but smaller men. Not disagreeing with the article as a whole, just that.

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Christine Pötsch
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are books written about this! https://carolinecriadoperez.com/book/invisible-women/

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Pille P
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was seated right underneath an ac unit in the office that was functioning as ventilation too in an office with 0 openable windows. The nice male colleagues kept turning the thermostat to 16C which meant right underneath that whooshing thing it was maybe 12 because of windchill. When I complained I was overruled so I sat in winter gear and had constant colds. When the office was moved one big open office was made into the previous warehouse of the old post office - 150 people in one office with 3 AC units working also as ventilation so no turning off, no windows. The people seated underneath the AC were constantly ill at home with a severe cold.

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Lizz Lor
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now imagine being a left-handed woman living in a world built.for right-handed men

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K.
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d like to be a cat living in Ancient Egypt please.

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Flora Endebez
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't realize that men didn't suffer the things on this list. I thought everyone felt cold at offices and such

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Mewton’s Third Paw
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If everyone felt it, it wouldn’t be cold because somebody would decide for it to never be that cold and literally everyone would agree.

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Octavia Hansen
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many times in a public bathroom, in the women's room the doors open "IN". HATE THIS! The door barely clears the bowl, standing in the stall means to one side trying NOT to drop anything while squeezing in. So I always announce to any employees -- "Perfectly obvious that a MAN designed this bathroom!"

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Jill Bussey
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many real illnesses are put down to hysteria; this is perpetrated by such things as hysterectomy, the word being on the same base. Was there not a car a few years ago designed for women? Easier door locks (for longer fingernails) and suchlike? I seem to remember an outcry about that too!

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K.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We are taught to adapt and put up with it. When the attention is put on rectifying an enduring problem for women, some people cry because it’s inconveniencing them. There are US senators and people who are butthurt that some research and money are going to study diseases/cancers that affect more women than men. I thought people like boobs (and knowing that they did their part to help another person). I say study everything and keep people healthy, but that’s just me. Gentlemen and males, get your testes and prostrate checked out.

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Claire Lew
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of this has been plagiarized from a book by Caroline Criado Perez. The author has even called out this lady for posting her work on her twitter page. Read her book 'Invisible Women'.

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Csilla Kaszas
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone already wrote a book on this, check out Invisible women! https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41104077-invisible-women

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Cynthia Bonville
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

PPEs, equipment for field work is specifically male (chest waders in particular) and prevented me from being able to do field work for Fish and Game - I am as tall as a man and wear men's length of shoes but I have T&A and a normal female foot (narrow heel and wider toebox). Changed the whole span of my career, as in I didn't get to go the route I wanted because equipment is not made for me. But it isn't just the shape and size of women, for those of us who are traditionally built and tall delivery beds (delivering babies) mean my feet dangle over the side. Cars my knees are jammed on either side of the steering wheel and my foot gets caught in the door. We need to accommodate the diversity of bodies in our world for better health and better work, not just intellectually but physically.

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Lucy Thomson-Smith
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She said someone should write a book about this. Someone did, she's called Caroline Criado-Perez. The book is called Invisible Women, I highly recommend it

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luliz89
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is actually a whole book about this: it’s called ‘Invisible Women’ by Caroline Criado-Perez. A lot of the things in this post are mentioned in it. Definitely recommend but be prepared to get more and more angry the more you read!

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kurisutofu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The floor space for toilets is not true in Japan... They're huge, compared to men's.

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King Joffrey
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of great points but the thing with the office being too cold as opposed being too warm makes sense. If it's too cold people can put on a jumper, if it's too warm, I can't strip down from my shirt...

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, except is it SO cold that women end up wearing a lot of layers while mean are still wearing their work attire (long sleeve shirt and jacket). There should be a happy medium where women have a bit of extra clothing and men were not wearing so much clothing, but men don't want to change so there isn't.

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DC
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Uh, artificial hearts haven't been used yet outside of hospital and adjacent machinery due to being too large and too unreliable for ANYBODY. I think the ones only assisting may be meant here, but they're not deliberately made larger than needed. Why would anyone?

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Heather
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First time ever something was the right size for my height and didn’t work correctly for my husband’s height was our new stick vacuum. Somehow worse than it working better for him 😬

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Kat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my country CPR is taught on a female torso called Anne. But other things I have to sadly agree with...

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Vladimíra Matejová
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yep. 1) currently thinking about buying a lower quality phone with smaller screen as my current phone is too big and causes my wristpain 2) constantly wearing two sweaters in office 3) i will probably die in a car crash as i sit with one pillow behind my back and one under my butt to be able to see the road and at the same time reach the pedals. totally uncomfortable especially in longer routes. i have to sit too close to the wheel and an exploding airbag would probably just brake my neck 4) when travelling in train it is uncomfortable because of the seats design. the neck support is where my head is 5) constantly struggling to buy decent clothes because of one size fits all. Yes I am XS ( european not the US XS that is way too big). 5) in buses the holders are so high that I could use them instead of a swing not as a safety measure

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Veronica McSamphire
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree with the safety hanging straps on public transport, I'm not that short but I really don't want to dangle like a Xmas ornament!

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Eglė Bukauskaitė
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Am i the only one uncomfortable on bar chairs? Getting on one gracefully is a work of art

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Stephanie Rassier
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was an MP in 2003 (13 years before women were "allowed" in combat MOSs.) 100 % true on the armor. Most uncomfortable crap ever if you had anything more than a B cup.

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M.A.D.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the car argument is actually misleading. Cars are designed to be operated by anyone in a set range of adjustments too keep their versatility. Otherwise you'd need different cars for many different people. I'm sure some models suit some better than others. The office floor temperature also seems forced. Different people prefer different settings regardless of their sex. We have a few women who prefer colder temperatures that even make us guys feel cold.

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Lindy Mac
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a fabulous, fascinating article on Bored Panda. Thanks so much for carrying it. Awareness is almost half the battle. Acceptance and research are also needed. I'd love to meet Karly too!

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Kim Lorton
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Women still have to fight for everything they have, and to keep it. Including the right to do with our bodies, what we choose! That is extremely sad.

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InfectedVoice
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this brings up some great points, even as a 6'3 man I don't fit into the world quite often, I think men were just a bit smaller back in the day, and I'm English so a lot of our buildings or whatever are very old and not made for my height. This makes for an interesting topic though and I will be asking my wife what she has found in her years.

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MistyCat
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

School desks. Designed for boys. The girls in my class have curves and can be seen shifting uncomfortably, trying to fit into the seats while the boys just plop their butts down, no trouble.

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Abigail Kreiss
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to say that at my hospital we always worked on Resusci-Annie, not a male CPR torso.

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Annie has a woman's face but she's still got a male body... There are a handful of companies bringing out female torsos but it's a slow process. Most men would apparently rather let a woman die than perform CPR in case they get accused of harassment. Because that happens sooooo often.

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B-b-bird
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously looking for sexism in such detail as floor material???? One of mentioned "facts" that I'd like to dispute: CPR training It's specifically made on CPR doll called Rescue Ann and the chest ranges but mostly resemble small/medium human figure (you cannot even say is it a man or a woman chest by look of it). You might want to read more about why it's called Ann: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resusci_Anne s-l1600-60...ec6531.jpg s-l1600-601bba3ec6531.jpg

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Belandriel
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now, what do those people say who claim that there are no differences? I'd really like to know! :D

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are no significant differences when it comes to personality and skills. There are size and hormonal differences but in most occasions they are not relevant.

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Shadow
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here's a bit of information on genetics that really throws a wrench in the "men are default" thing. There is a gene called SRY it resides on the Y chromosome and activates the gene SOX9; as long as the SOX9 gene is active the gonads will develop into/remain testis, if this gene is turned off the testis will convert to ovaries completely, even down to cell structure and producing female hormones. Conversely FOXL2 does the same thing for females, as long as FOXL2 is active the gonads will develop into and remain ovaries, if turned off, lost or mutated the ovaries convert to testis. These two genes FOXL2 and SOX9 are mutually exclusive; only one can be active at a time.

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Aliquid A
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stalls take up more space than urinals, so a men's bathroom of the same size will accommodate 20%-30% more people at the same time, when compared to a woman's bathroom. Add that to the comment of women needing more time, and you compound the problem.

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Tabitha L
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To the author of this post. . .Rapport means: friendly, harmonious relationship. . . Report means: an account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated.

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CCTheVampire
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rather than victimizing ourselves, why don't we freaking DO something? As if just making ourselves victims going "OH, PITY ME, I'VE BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING TERRIBLE!", how about we work to make a freaking change. I could be trying to victimize myself. I've been groomed, harassed, abused, but I don't use that to try to get sympathy. I use it as a weapon.

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CCTheVampire
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rather than talking about how the world isn't made for women, why don't we try to do something about it?? Rather than just write a post. Why don't we go to the higher-ups who will do something about it and NOT just say "Oh, if you elect me, I'll cure cancer" or something like that.

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Tiffany Sparks
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The military one is absolutely wrong. POG's, which no one wears, is the closest thing and those are larger DAPs for the thighs(protect shoulder/arms, and no one wears those either).it's meant for the femoral artery, why protect hips?? They have female IOTV's, and even the unisex ones are still kinda comfy, they don't touch the hips. If you're taking out the plates to not crush your chest, you're bigger than my DD self. Also, the plates are still unisex, because structurally changing the shape of the plates could reduce the ability to take more than 1 bullet.

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Chyppa Homer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And then there are those articles on BP, where you have to scroll waaaay down, to the bottom of the comment section, to the ones downvoted off the map, if you want to find reasonable people :D Holy s**t, lady !

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Just saying
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And did you know the word 'hysterical' actually comes from the Ancient Greek word for uterus. So all women are naturally hysterical.

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Hannah M
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whenever Ancient Greece and uterus are in the same sentence, interesting things happen... Wandering womb, anyone?

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Chyppa Homer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cell phones were constantly shrinking since their invention, up until the point that someone made the ground breaking discovery : "Hey, you can actually watch porn on these things ! " :D

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*sigh*, The Yellow Teletubby
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

wait so is CPR with a woman the same as CPR with a man? Like would it be harder to do bc boobies are in the way? How does that work; I've never had to think about it before.

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Sounds like KAREN is on her period bitchn about everything. Big Corps. aren't going to spend the money to make things also for women sizes especially on things that have been for men roles. It doesn't take too much more time to pull a tampon out and reinsert a new one. Cars have adjustable seats and most women don't know how to properly sit in them without being to close to the steering wheel. I can go on and on. Go ahead and continue to give me down votes. I'm trying to see how high of a - number I can get from people who don't like the truth of are too PC lol

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well - not all are thought through well. e.g. it is no argument that women take longer in bathrooms cause they tend to their childs need - the problem is that there is no place to change diaper etc. in mens bathroom. Some are also really weird.. eg Smartphone size.. if women wont buy those - the manufacturere would for sure change... To be more exact - the new iphone just came out in a smaller size - and it sells less then they did expect. Some examples also are from history - so no longer accurate. Still a long way to go. But examples can be found on both sides (boys dont cry...)

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is not that easy. I have been trying to buy small phones in the last years. My previous phone barely could open chrome because it was crappy but it was the only one that had a decent size for me. And yes, some iphones are medium sized but they are still big and really expensive.

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It's probably not planned that things are designed for men . . . simply that designers are thoughtless . . . and they are mostly men. Usually it takes a male designer to have a daughter struggling before a female is considered. Evidently men don't consider their mother, sister or wife as important, but my experience is when a man's daughter is held back or inconvenienced -- THEN there's a change. What a depressing category . . .

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I agree with everything said except two points. 1) I would be hesitant to perform CPR on an unknown female for the fear of being sued for touching inappropriately. I mean push comes to shove I will do it. But I will prefer someone else did CPR if there are more people, just to protect myself. Don't tell me that's ridiculous because what I mentioned has happened (Thankfully not to me). 2) In my office and I have to not only wear sweater all year long I have to use heater in summer time. That's how low normal temp is set for my office. Raising it causes ladies to get mad. So just out of pure personal experience I find temp issue hard to swallow. I would say it's kind of individual issue not the fe/male issue.

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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You’re thinking is wrong about the CPR. That is a sexist mentality based on the lie that people are overly litigious. I don’t believe your story. You’re trying too hard to Not accept the reality of what was outlined in this thread.

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And then there are things that are difficult or impossible to clean, designed by people who never had to do the cleaning at home. (Like the u-bend of toilets - more and more often hidden under smoother shapes these days, luckily)

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The u-bent of the toilet serves a purpose. It stops the gases (and therefore the odours) from coming back.

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What about all of these new drugs that are not for "persons assigned female at birth "? Are we just trying to keep men alive and healthy now?

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I'm female who is six feet tall. A lot of these complaints are not sexism but height discrimination! I think men who are of less then average male height would also benefit from changes. Not saying any this is right, but let's give it the correct name! When talking about hormones, body armor, prescription variances, organ placement - discriminations yes those are all male/female discriminations and should be held to account as sexism, to that I agree.

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When example after example of her claims turned out to be things I know aren't true, I became dubious of her entire presentation and consider it to absolute nonsense.

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A lot of this stuff makes sense but I am a little skeptical on the smartphone one. I don't think that the phone developers are thinking "lets make it so women can't use these as easily." A little far fetched.

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Laura
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With most of these examples, it’s not that manufacturers and researchers are always intentionally designing stuff that women can’t use. It’s that they’re not considering women in decisions about designing products. Men are the “default” so the fact that women may have different needs or use products differently is not considered at all. Often because it’s board rooms full of men who are making decisions, so there’s no female point of view. It’s not necessarily INTENTIONAL, but it happens all the time.

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Yes mass produced products and services are one size fits all. Which leads to disadvantage. Left handed people are more likely to die from an accident. The needs of those of African decent are often over looked in medical science. Where safety is involved, more should be done to rectify this… but seriously, put on a sweater in the office.

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So basically if I am a short man = I am a female and this world wasnt build for me. Gotcha

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NMN
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What part of different center of gravity, body composition and physiology don't you understand? Being short or tall has nothing to do with medication. Read this again and grow a brain

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Refusing to buy sounds greta but then when there are NO other choices you end up being butt naked.

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If only one size is practical then larger makes more sense than small. It may be aggravating to have PPE the flops or lab coats that hang, but those can be adapted by the user. If small were the option then larger people couldn't use them at all.

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The thing is: Nobody knows exactly what's acceptable. The medical points are important and need a look at without a doubt, but some stuff mentioned is considered sexist by others. As man I would also think twice about CPR for a woman, simply because there were cases in which it came to trials for harrasment. There are also technical limitation if it comes to the Kevlarvest - you can't have upwards angled plates on them because bullets hitting those can be deflected towards the head (angled armor concept)

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Hiker Chick
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are there actually cases of CPR that went to trial for sexual harassment? Do you have links?

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Okay, so there are valid issues,like the bathroom and the glass floors but srsly? Cell phone sizes?! Room temperature?! For god's sake, cell phones are not that horribly big that an average sized woman couldn't hold them (and I have small hands), not to mention that there are literally several hundreds os cellphones available, I am sure anyone can find the right size for them. As for room temperature, put on some f*****g sweatshirt, jumper, whatever. Not every women are cold. I, for example, am warm all the time. These are mostly the trouble of 'small Asian women'

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't hold a Samsung Galaxy comfortably in one hand... and how TF is a sweatshirt going to keep my hands and feet warm if the temperature is too low? Regards, a not particularly small Caucasian woman.

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Ahhh, yes.... another "I go to Harvard so I'm an expert in everything" asshole. About 21,000 people go to Harvard. You aren't special.

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, technically all 21000 people are special in that they are being selected and taught how to think clearly compared to the person who does not attend a reputable institute of higher learning. But in any case, I don't get why her being a Harvard student is relevant. Are you trying to say the OP is wrong in her statements BECAUSE she went to Harvard? Or just wrong DESPITE going to Harvard? Or she is right but we get to ignore her because she is at Harvard? Or are you just trying to use some kind of reverse intellectual snobbism to ignore a post that makes you uncomfortable?

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Wait, I´m confused, all this time women wanted to be treated equal and now it turns out they really want to be treated like 1950ties dames.

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being treated as equally important and valued is not the same as being identical you dipshit.

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Ha what garbage is this? Ha yes all men are larger than women? Total nonsense...

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She didn't say that. But you'd have to be pretty unobservant not to notice that on average most men are larger and DIFFERENTLY PROPORTIONED to most women. Also, many of her points had nothing to do with size, bit go ahead and focus on that if it helps you feel hard done by.

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This is what calls for "equality" always lead to. Not equality, but special treatment for one group over the other.

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Blizt
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or you know, equity might also work...Put people at the same advantage instead of just giving them the same things and telling them to work with it...Most things are designed for the average male...How are women supposed to work as efficiently as men if that thing was tailored specifically for men? Would you like me to give a man a woman's blouse that might be around his size, and tell him to look more profession and do something with the extra cloth where the bustline and cleavage usually is? That's equality, but sometimes we do need special treatment for one group because they do indeed have different needs. So yeah maybe we're using the wrong word sometimes, but it's still doesn't excuse the fact that there have been problems with creating an equal (as in same level platform, not just given the same things) representation for both sexes.

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Now tell me again about this non-binary nonsense and how doctors are not supposed to ask gender etc...

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The driving one is only partly true. Seatbelts for women can be uncomfortable because of the way they cross the body. But NOBODY should be sitting close to the steering wheel. Size makes no difference to the proportion of our arm length to leg length. You should adjust your seat so your feet reach the pedals but then adjust the back of the seat so when you place a hand on the top of the steering wheel it has a slight bend at the elbow. This gives you full control and free movement of your arms. If you are sitting too close you are very restricted in turning the wheel quickly if needed. Trust me! Try it.

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Nela Rothenbach
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But, you just said it....if your legs are shorter so are your arms, ergo you are closer to the steering wheel!?

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The worst for me is how medicine has always been focused on men. (I know that this was mentioned I just hate it). Women are rarely studied and diseases that only affect women are barely researched. Doctors still have the idea that women are "hysterical" if they describe pain; studies showed that women need to express much more pain to get the same painkillers than men and that often are prescribed with anti anxiety medication instead of getting a diagnositic. A perfect example is endometriosis; it is as common as diabetes but because it only affects women it was barely researched. The average time for a diagnosis is between 7-10 years because women are not believed when they say that they are in pain and because most doctors arent educated in menstrual problems. It took me 10 years to get a diagnostic and one to get a treatment. In total I have visited 13 doctors between GPs and Gyns and only one ever treated me with decency.

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Juniper
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't get me started about mental health. Women are often misdiagnosed or not diagnosed at all. My friend got first dismissed as hormonal and sensitive, then "just" depressed and anxious. Took her literal years to get the right diagnosis - schizoaffective disorder.

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Nubmaeme
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At the risk of getting downvoted in oblivion, I must say that this why we need more women in STEM studies than in gender studies. More women engineers/designers/etc would mean better clothing, equipment, and facilities.

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Kathryn Baylis
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If anybody downvotes you, it’s probably a man who’s scared shitless of competing with a woman—-he knows he’ll lose, because he really isn’t qualified and/or was a D student in school (whereas the woman was most likely both highly qualified and an A student), and has been getting by ONLY because he’s part of the “old boys network”.

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John Louis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This post is among the most effective post on gender that boredpanda has ever presented. We need to see more of this and keep it at the forefront.

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Celeste Grant
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Completely agree! This needs to be more widely researched and more people need to be aware that 50% of the population are not catered for!

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Jonathan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Regarding PPE, I don't know who the model was for the sizing because our aprons at work go down to the top of my shoes! Covid has shown us that PPE has been designed terribly but it had mostly gone unnoticed.

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Brandy Grote
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. I buy "tween" size face masks, and they fit. Can't get the VA to get me a child size CPAP mask, then they ask me why I don't use the huge thing!

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NavyDave
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another thing is that stuff traditionally considered feminine is not made for men. Oven mitts, for example, are often too small for men's larger hands, as well as the handles on vacuum cleaners.

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Leo Domitrix
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

(sarcasm engaged) Men use vacuum cleaners? (sarcasm disengaged) In seriousness, I'm taller than average for a female, and OMG, the mitts handles, etc.? Hello?! We are not all five-five or whatever height it is they use. Camping gear, fine, great. Kitchen/cleaning, no. UGH. So, even females have the issue, and feel your pain. Literally, at times.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Carolin Criado-Perez actually wrote a book about this in 2019. It's called "Invisible women - Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men". It's fantastic, but be warned - it will get your blood boiling.

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Iapetos
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jeez. If you can't relate to a female protagonist, that's a big YOU problem.

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A.M. Pierre
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I remember when the Tomb Raider reboot came out. They were so scared that male gamers wouldn't be able to handle playing as a woman that they framed it not as "You'll want to play as this great character, Lara Croft" but "You'll want to protect Lara on this journey" and even added an attempted rape scene so that male players would feel empathy for her. Honestly, every bit of that is such an insult to men.

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Leo Domitrix
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speakng from a medical nerdiness perspective, one issue often causing discomfort for females is... relative pelvic girth. The female pelvis is designed by nature to allow the passage of a baby, and is wider in general than a male pelvis. This makes seating (designed with an average man in mind) feel odd to women. And I do not mean "overweight". I mean, it's just wider. Measure from one iliac crest to the other in post-adolescent males versus females. The iliac crests in men are also "higher" relative to women, so they get a narrower "look". Women's sacral curve is also greater than a man's. this means, yes, our butts are different and it does affect things like comfort in airplane/car/train seats; dining chairs; pick something. Half population roughly female, half roughly male, and yet... *sigh*

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ergonomics may increase enjoyment and productivity, but it also can cost a significant amount of money to implement. Many industrial designers still take the "tractor seat" approach because it creates a one-size-fits-all design that economizes production resources (go out to the factory and find the guy with the biggest butt, sit him in plaster, and use that cast to design your seat). Likewise, customers are less-likely to buy equipment or furniture that may wind up being too small for future employees. This is a fantastic reason to be self-employed, we can buy everything we need for exactly our size.

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1.) I have been known to tinker with my motorbike occasionally. There are "ladies" tools but they're overwhelmingly coloured pink or floral and are usually of lower quality than "men's" tools. Now I just use hubby's Snap-On kit... 2.) I'm 51 and have ADD. Only I don't because "women don't get autism"...

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Hannah M
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But...... ADD isn't autism. They have some similar symptoms, but ADD isn't on the autism spectrum. Unless you meant ASD?

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Iapetos
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes to everything on this list, though I think a lot of it is also a "tall vs short person" problem. And yeah, the treatment of the one standard human really sucks, and it's everywhere, and it's the main reason we need feminism: That men are just seen as the norm. That women are perceived as "too complicated" to study is honestly an offense to science.

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K.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sporting a messy bun, reindeer socks, wearing mismatching undergarments, and haven’t been to the gym in ages, but boy do I feel special to grasp basic female physiology. All jokes aside, refusing to include more diverse types of bodies and conditions because it’s “too complicated” in clinical trials is a dangerous ideology for all of us.

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Mad Mar
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I work in a male dominated field. Sandblasting. I work on cabinets. The gloves I need to use are made for someone with bear sized hands. So I have to scrunch them to hold object causing my hands to be in displaced positions for long periods of time. Let alone turning and shifting objects. Also the machines are at a height of an average man. At least I'm 5'7" so I can use them, but the material comes in 50 lb bags. Like cement. So I have to pick them up an toss it on my shoulder from the ground, walk around the shop an then add to the machine. I'm the only female in my shop. When hired I was asked if I could lift the bag and I did. No other man has had to do that. I've outlasted 36 men over 5 years. I do love what I do. I just get frustrated that I have to adapt to male sized s**t. Not a small medium large. (Oh the plastic gloves always an only are ordered in xl so they fall off my hands or get caught when working on clean parts)

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

C.F.R 1910.138(b) "Selection: Employers shall base the selection of the appropriate hand protection on an evaluation of the performance characteristics of the hand protection relative to the task(s) to be performed, conditions present, duration of use, and the hazards and potential hazards identified." OSHA mandates that your employer provide you with gloves which perform adequately for the tasks you as assigned. It sounds like your gloves are inadequate, please bring that up to the inspector the next time your workplace is inspected. OSHA violations are $3k/day fine until the violation is resolved.

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ScarlettofHydraIsland
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can relate. My ankle had been hurting for weeks, and dumb@$$ that I am, I kept trying to run on it. The first (male) doctor I went to blew me off, said it was just a sprain, and suggested that my pain tolerance is low. I went to a second (female) doctor later, and shock I had two stress fractures and a chunk of bone missing from my tibia. Low pain tolerance, my @$$. I’m still salty about that since thanks to that first doctor, I missed my entire cross country season.

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NMN
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where the heck do you live? Anytime I've had any pain in members/joints, I'd go to an orthopedician and they'd ask for X-rays and MRIs, no fuss. And all of them were male and I've gone A LOT. Actually only once I've gone with a woman, and the only time my pain was dismissed and treated as "bad posture". Nevertheless she asked for an X-Ray (but she was incompetent and did not notice the extra huge piece of bone I had). You might be in an area with bad orthopedists.

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Hiker Chick
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yup, and steel toed boots are hard to find in women's sizes. The smallest men's sizes are too big for me, so I have to special-order construction boots even though my feet are a very average women's size. Same with rubber chemical boots - our department has them in every size, but they only come in men's so I have to clomp around in boots that are way too big.

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a lovely little pair of steelies for work. They have purple lining. Because I'm a girly... and don't get me started on motorbike gear. If I see one more pink swirl on a ladies jacket I'm going to stomp on it.

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Catherine Côté
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Non-neurotypical behavior is WAY less seen in women and girls. Think of ADHD. I have been suffering all my life feeling like an idiot, left out, impulsive, exhausted, anxious and no one saw in me the symptoms of ADHD. Even today my father will pretend I'm not or argue with me because most known symptoms are how boys/men react to ADHD. Thank god I developped a spine, else my caretakers would have me sit still and pretend I only have anxiety.

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• Lemønchu •
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I'm dying and need CPR, I DON'T CARE IF YOU TOUCH MY BOOBS, JUST SAVE MY LIFE.

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Miranda Small
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was also a huge issue where men refused to do mouth to mouth resusitation if it was a woman. Ridiculous

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Naomi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

phones keep getting bigger and woman's pockets keep getting smaller

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Truth Monster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I put my phone behind a bra strap. Its tacky as hell, but its damn convenient not to have to dig it out of my purse/bag/ overloaded pockets

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Sara R
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always wondered why men and women's bathrooms are the same sizes. Women naturally take longer, so it just makes sense to make women's bathrooms larger, or men's smaller.

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly we should just make unisex toilets with closed stalls. So both men and women can use them.

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Hiker Chick
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was shopping for leather work gloves a few weeks ago in a big box hardware store. There was a very large selection of men's work gloves, all materials and uses, in the hardware section. Where did I eventually find women's gloves? In the gardening section, only one style choice that was not thin fabric. I had my choice of 16 pretty and flowery thin cloth gloves or one style of leather heavy duty gloves. Oh, and that was the second store I had to check because the same chain store in my town had zero women's work gloves.

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Big box stores aren't a great place to look for workwear, generally. I recommend you visit an industry supply house, they have far more specialized stuff than the box stores. Truck stops are pretty good too, "Trucker gloves" are some of the most versatile work gloves I have owned.

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Iapetos
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What pathetic kind of military is this that needs certain soldiers to remove protective stuff from their gear?

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Stille20
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sure it also means soldiers of varying size are not as well protected.

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Carole Deem
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another reason women take longer in bathrooms, Have you seen some of the outfits? undo the belt, undo the button, pull down the zipper, roll down the pantyhose/leggings, and some of us wash our hands.

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Lorelai Purvis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah! We have the craziest outfits to put on and take off. It's incredibly annoying.

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Adina Milea
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone did write a book about it, it’s called Invisible women: Exposing data bias in a world designed for men by Caroline Criado-Perez, it addresses all points raised above plus many more. Brilliant and infuriating read

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Nancy Mac
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seat belts! I have to constantly pull out away from my neck! They won't save me in a crash because I'll have been choked to death with one!

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Lorelai Purvis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some cars actually have adjustable seatbelts. My mom keeps hers on the lower setting because she's too short for the higher setting. If the car you're riding in has those kind of seatbelts, I think putting them on the lower setting might work. Not trying to be rude.

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Anna K.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

May I point out that modern-day kitchens are clearly not designed for most women, even though statistically we still tend to do more of the cooking? I'm 5'5". My mom is 5'2". My tallest female friend is 5'7". All of us struggle to reach most of the cabinet space in our own kitchens, and in newer kitchens, work triangles are much too big for our comparatively shorter legs. The best kitchens for women I personally have seen were in Cinderella Ranch houses from the 1950s - the builder designed the houses to meet the needs of housewives, not their husbands, and it REALLY shows in the kitchens. I, personally, had the easiest time cooking when I had a kitchen built in 1967. I could reach 2/3 of the shelves and nothing was more than three steps away. Also, I'm an artist who works with some very sharp tools, and I CANNOT find safety goggles/glasses small enough for my normal-sized head.

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Though contrast that with bathrooms in those same houses, the sinks are so low they're quite uncomfortable for a 6' person to use.

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MagNat
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, that's depressing. But bringing attention to issues like these is much needed.

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Maya P
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This IS a book! Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado-Perez. It's great!

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Marianna Crider
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I swear every time I change out the batteries on the lawnmower, saw, weed wacker, etc. They are all made to accommodate the spread of large hands. The industry answer is to make tools for "women" that are smaller scale and basically useless. Grrrrr.

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Isaac7lego
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stuff that is based on the average man is big to anybody who is not the same size, not just women but smaller men. Not disagreeing with the article as a whole, just that.

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Christine Pötsch
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are books written about this! https://carolinecriadoperez.com/book/invisible-women/

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Pille P
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was seated right underneath an ac unit in the office that was functioning as ventilation too in an office with 0 openable windows. The nice male colleagues kept turning the thermostat to 16C which meant right underneath that whooshing thing it was maybe 12 because of windchill. When I complained I was overruled so I sat in winter gear and had constant colds. When the office was moved one big open office was made into the previous warehouse of the old post office - 150 people in one office with 3 AC units working also as ventilation so no turning off, no windows. The people seated underneath the AC were constantly ill at home with a severe cold.

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Lizz Lor
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now imagine being a left-handed woman living in a world built.for right-handed men

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K.
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d like to be a cat living in Ancient Egypt please.

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Flora Endebez
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't realize that men didn't suffer the things on this list. I thought everyone felt cold at offices and such

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Mewton’s Third Paw
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If everyone felt it, it wouldn’t be cold because somebody would decide for it to never be that cold and literally everyone would agree.

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Octavia Hansen
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many times in a public bathroom, in the women's room the doors open "IN". HATE THIS! The door barely clears the bowl, standing in the stall means to one side trying NOT to drop anything while squeezing in. So I always announce to any employees -- "Perfectly obvious that a MAN designed this bathroom!"

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Jill Bussey
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many real illnesses are put down to hysteria; this is perpetrated by such things as hysterectomy, the word being on the same base. Was there not a car a few years ago designed for women? Easier door locks (for longer fingernails) and suchlike? I seem to remember an outcry about that too!

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K.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We are taught to adapt and put up with it. When the attention is put on rectifying an enduring problem for women, some people cry because it’s inconveniencing them. There are US senators and people who are butthurt that some research and money are going to study diseases/cancers that affect more women than men. I thought people like boobs (and knowing that they did their part to help another person). I say study everything and keep people healthy, but that’s just me. Gentlemen and males, get your testes and prostrate checked out.

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Claire Lew
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of this has been plagiarized from a book by Caroline Criado Perez. The author has even called out this lady for posting her work on her twitter page. Read her book 'Invisible Women'.

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Csilla Kaszas
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone already wrote a book on this, check out Invisible women! https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41104077-invisible-women

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Cynthia Bonville
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

PPEs, equipment for field work is specifically male (chest waders in particular) and prevented me from being able to do field work for Fish and Game - I am as tall as a man and wear men's length of shoes but I have T&A and a normal female foot (narrow heel and wider toebox). Changed the whole span of my career, as in I didn't get to go the route I wanted because equipment is not made for me. But it isn't just the shape and size of women, for those of us who are traditionally built and tall delivery beds (delivering babies) mean my feet dangle over the side. Cars my knees are jammed on either side of the steering wheel and my foot gets caught in the door. We need to accommodate the diversity of bodies in our world for better health and better work, not just intellectually but physically.

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Lucy Thomson-Smith
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She said someone should write a book about this. Someone did, she's called Caroline Criado-Perez. The book is called Invisible Women, I highly recommend it

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luliz89
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is actually a whole book about this: it’s called ‘Invisible Women’ by Caroline Criado-Perez. A lot of the things in this post are mentioned in it. Definitely recommend but be prepared to get more and more angry the more you read!

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kurisutofu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The floor space for toilets is not true in Japan... They're huge, compared to men's.

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King Joffrey
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of great points but the thing with the office being too cold as opposed being too warm makes sense. If it's too cold people can put on a jumper, if it's too warm, I can't strip down from my shirt...

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, except is it SO cold that women end up wearing a lot of layers while mean are still wearing their work attire (long sleeve shirt and jacket). There should be a happy medium where women have a bit of extra clothing and men were not wearing so much clothing, but men don't want to change so there isn't.

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DC
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Uh, artificial hearts haven't been used yet outside of hospital and adjacent machinery due to being too large and too unreliable for ANYBODY. I think the ones only assisting may be meant here, but they're not deliberately made larger than needed. Why would anyone?

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Heather
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First time ever something was the right size for my height and didn’t work correctly for my husband’s height was our new stick vacuum. Somehow worse than it working better for him 😬

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Kat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my country CPR is taught on a female torso called Anne. But other things I have to sadly agree with...

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Vladimíra Matejová
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yep. 1) currently thinking about buying a lower quality phone with smaller screen as my current phone is too big and causes my wristpain 2) constantly wearing two sweaters in office 3) i will probably die in a car crash as i sit with one pillow behind my back and one under my butt to be able to see the road and at the same time reach the pedals. totally uncomfortable especially in longer routes. i have to sit too close to the wheel and an exploding airbag would probably just brake my neck 4) when travelling in train it is uncomfortable because of the seats design. the neck support is where my head is 5) constantly struggling to buy decent clothes because of one size fits all. Yes I am XS ( european not the US XS that is way too big). 5) in buses the holders are so high that I could use them instead of a swing not as a safety measure

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Veronica McSamphire
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree with the safety hanging straps on public transport, I'm not that short but I really don't want to dangle like a Xmas ornament!

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Eglė Bukauskaitė
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Am i the only one uncomfortable on bar chairs? Getting on one gracefully is a work of art

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Stephanie Rassier
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was an MP in 2003 (13 years before women were "allowed" in combat MOSs.) 100 % true on the armor. Most uncomfortable crap ever if you had anything more than a B cup.

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M.A.D.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the car argument is actually misleading. Cars are designed to be operated by anyone in a set range of adjustments too keep their versatility. Otherwise you'd need different cars for many different people. I'm sure some models suit some better than others. The office floor temperature also seems forced. Different people prefer different settings regardless of their sex. We have a few women who prefer colder temperatures that even make us guys feel cold.

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Lindy Mac
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a fabulous, fascinating article on Bored Panda. Thanks so much for carrying it. Awareness is almost half the battle. Acceptance and research are also needed. I'd love to meet Karly too!

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Kim Lorton
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Women still have to fight for everything they have, and to keep it. Including the right to do with our bodies, what we choose! That is extremely sad.

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InfectedVoice
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this brings up some great points, even as a 6'3 man I don't fit into the world quite often, I think men were just a bit smaller back in the day, and I'm English so a lot of our buildings or whatever are very old and not made for my height. This makes for an interesting topic though and I will be asking my wife what she has found in her years.

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MistyCat
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

School desks. Designed for boys. The girls in my class have curves and can be seen shifting uncomfortably, trying to fit into the seats while the boys just plop their butts down, no trouble.

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Abigail Kreiss
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to say that at my hospital we always worked on Resusci-Annie, not a male CPR torso.

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Penny Fan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Annie has a woman's face but she's still got a male body... There are a handful of companies bringing out female torsos but it's a slow process. Most men would apparently rather let a woman die than perform CPR in case they get accused of harassment. Because that happens sooooo often.

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B-b-bird
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously looking for sexism in such detail as floor material???? One of mentioned "facts" that I'd like to dispute: CPR training It's specifically made on CPR doll called Rescue Ann and the chest ranges but mostly resemble small/medium human figure (you cannot even say is it a man or a woman chest by look of it). You might want to read more about why it's called Ann: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resusci_Anne s-l1600-60...ec6531.jpg s-l1600-601bba3ec6531.jpg

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Belandriel
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now, what do those people say who claim that there are no differences? I'd really like to know! :D

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are no significant differences when it comes to personality and skills. There are size and hormonal differences but in most occasions they are not relevant.

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Shadow
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here's a bit of information on genetics that really throws a wrench in the "men are default" thing. There is a gene called SRY it resides on the Y chromosome and activates the gene SOX9; as long as the SOX9 gene is active the gonads will develop into/remain testis, if this gene is turned off the testis will convert to ovaries completely, even down to cell structure and producing female hormones. Conversely FOXL2 does the same thing for females, as long as FOXL2 is active the gonads will develop into and remain ovaries, if turned off, lost or mutated the ovaries convert to testis. These two genes FOXL2 and SOX9 are mutually exclusive; only one can be active at a time.

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Aliquid A
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stalls take up more space than urinals, so a men's bathroom of the same size will accommodate 20%-30% more people at the same time, when compared to a woman's bathroom. Add that to the comment of women needing more time, and you compound the problem.

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Tabitha L
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To the author of this post. . .Rapport means: friendly, harmonious relationship. . . Report means: an account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated.

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CCTheVampire
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rather than victimizing ourselves, why don't we freaking DO something? As if just making ourselves victims going "OH, PITY ME, I'VE BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING TERRIBLE!", how about we work to make a freaking change. I could be trying to victimize myself. I've been groomed, harassed, abused, but I don't use that to try to get sympathy. I use it as a weapon.

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CCTheVampire
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rather than talking about how the world isn't made for women, why don't we try to do something about it?? Rather than just write a post. Why don't we go to the higher-ups who will do something about it and NOT just say "Oh, if you elect me, I'll cure cancer" or something like that.

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Tiffany Sparks
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The military one is absolutely wrong. POG's, which no one wears, is the closest thing and those are larger DAPs for the thighs(protect shoulder/arms, and no one wears those either).it's meant for the femoral artery, why protect hips?? They have female IOTV's, and even the unisex ones are still kinda comfy, they don't touch the hips. If you're taking out the plates to not crush your chest, you're bigger than my DD self. Also, the plates are still unisex, because structurally changing the shape of the plates could reduce the ability to take more than 1 bullet.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And then there are those articles on BP, where you have to scroll waaaay down, to the bottom of the comment section, to the ones downvoted off the map, if you want to find reasonable people :D Holy s**t, lady !

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Just saying
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And did you know the word 'hysterical' actually comes from the Ancient Greek word for uterus. So all women are naturally hysterical.

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Hannah M
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whenever Ancient Greece and uterus are in the same sentence, interesting things happen... Wandering womb, anyone?

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Chyppa Homer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cell phones were constantly shrinking since their invention, up until the point that someone made the ground breaking discovery : "Hey, you can actually watch porn on these things ! " :D

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

wait so is CPR with a woman the same as CPR with a man? Like would it be harder to do bc boobies are in the way? How does that work; I've never had to think about it before.

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Sounds like KAREN is on her period bitchn about everything. Big Corps. aren't going to spend the money to make things also for women sizes especially on things that have been for men roles. It doesn't take too much more time to pull a tampon out and reinsert a new one. Cars have adjustable seats and most women don't know how to properly sit in them without being to close to the steering wheel. I can go on and on. Go ahead and continue to give me down votes. I'm trying to see how high of a - number I can get from people who don't like the truth of are too PC lol

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well - not all are thought through well. e.g. it is no argument that women take longer in bathrooms cause they tend to their childs need - the problem is that there is no place to change diaper etc. in mens bathroom. Some are also really weird.. eg Smartphone size.. if women wont buy those - the manufacturere would for sure change... To be more exact - the new iphone just came out in a smaller size - and it sells less then they did expect. Some examples also are from history - so no longer accurate. Still a long way to go. But examples can be found on both sides (boys dont cry...)

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is not that easy. I have been trying to buy small phones in the last years. My previous phone barely could open chrome because it was crappy but it was the only one that had a decent size for me. And yes, some iphones are medium sized but they are still big and really expensive.

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It's probably not planned that things are designed for men . . . simply that designers are thoughtless . . . and they are mostly men. Usually it takes a male designer to have a daughter struggling before a female is considered. Evidently men don't consider their mother, sister or wife as important, but my experience is when a man's daughter is held back or inconvenienced -- THEN there's a change. What a depressing category . . .

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I agree with everything said except two points. 1) I would be hesitant to perform CPR on an unknown female for the fear of being sued for touching inappropriately. I mean push comes to shove I will do it. But I will prefer someone else did CPR if there are more people, just to protect myself. Don't tell me that's ridiculous because what I mentioned has happened (Thankfully not to me). 2) In my office and I have to not only wear sweater all year long I have to use heater in summer time. That's how low normal temp is set for my office. Raising it causes ladies to get mad. So just out of pure personal experience I find temp issue hard to swallow. I would say it's kind of individual issue not the fe/male issue.

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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You’re thinking is wrong about the CPR. That is a sexist mentality based on the lie that people are overly litigious. I don’t believe your story. You’re trying too hard to Not accept the reality of what was outlined in this thread.

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And then there are things that are difficult or impossible to clean, designed by people who never had to do the cleaning at home. (Like the u-bend of toilets - more and more often hidden under smoother shapes these days, luckily)

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The u-bent of the toilet serves a purpose. It stops the gases (and therefore the odours) from coming back.

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What about all of these new drugs that are not for "persons assigned female at birth "? Are we just trying to keep men alive and healthy now?

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I'm female who is six feet tall. A lot of these complaints are not sexism but height discrimination! I think men who are of less then average male height would also benefit from changes. Not saying any this is right, but let's give it the correct name! When talking about hormones, body armor, prescription variances, organ placement - discriminations yes those are all male/female discriminations and should be held to account as sexism, to that I agree.

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When example after example of her claims turned out to be things I know aren't true, I became dubious of her entire presentation and consider it to absolute nonsense.

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A lot of this stuff makes sense but I am a little skeptical on the smartphone one. I don't think that the phone developers are thinking "lets make it so women can't use these as easily." A little far fetched.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With most of these examples, it’s not that manufacturers and researchers are always intentionally designing stuff that women can’t use. It’s that they’re not considering women in decisions about designing products. Men are the “default” so the fact that women may have different needs or use products differently is not considered at all. Often because it’s board rooms full of men who are making decisions, so there’s no female point of view. It’s not necessarily INTENTIONAL, but it happens all the time.

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Yes mass produced products and services are one size fits all. Which leads to disadvantage. Left handed people are more likely to die from an accident. The needs of those of African decent are often over looked in medical science. Where safety is involved, more should be done to rectify this… but seriously, put on a sweater in the office.

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So basically if I am a short man = I am a female and this world wasnt build for me. Gotcha

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What part of different center of gravity, body composition and physiology don't you understand? Being short or tall has nothing to do with medication. Read this again and grow a brain

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Refusing to buy sounds greta but then when there are NO other choices you end up being butt naked.

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If only one size is practical then larger makes more sense than small. It may be aggravating to have PPE the flops or lab coats that hang, but those can be adapted by the user. If small were the option then larger people couldn't use them at all.

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The thing is: Nobody knows exactly what's acceptable. The medical points are important and need a look at without a doubt, but some stuff mentioned is considered sexist by others. As man I would also think twice about CPR for a woman, simply because there were cases in which it came to trials for harrasment. There are also technical limitation if it comes to the Kevlarvest - you can't have upwards angled plates on them because bullets hitting those can be deflected towards the head (angled armor concept)

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are there actually cases of CPR that went to trial for sexual harassment? Do you have links?

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Okay, so there are valid issues,like the bathroom and the glass floors but srsly? Cell phone sizes?! Room temperature?! For god's sake, cell phones are not that horribly big that an average sized woman couldn't hold them (and I have small hands), not to mention that there are literally several hundreds os cellphones available, I am sure anyone can find the right size for them. As for room temperature, put on some f*****g sweatshirt, jumper, whatever. Not every women are cold. I, for example, am warm all the time. These are mostly the trouble of 'small Asian women'

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't hold a Samsung Galaxy comfortably in one hand... and how TF is a sweatshirt going to keep my hands and feet warm if the temperature is too low? Regards, a not particularly small Caucasian woman.

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Ahhh, yes.... another "I go to Harvard so I'm an expert in everything" asshole. About 21,000 people go to Harvard. You aren't special.

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, technically all 21000 people are special in that they are being selected and taught how to think clearly compared to the person who does not attend a reputable institute of higher learning. But in any case, I don't get why her being a Harvard student is relevant. Are you trying to say the OP is wrong in her statements BECAUSE she went to Harvard? Or just wrong DESPITE going to Harvard? Or she is right but we get to ignore her because she is at Harvard? Or are you just trying to use some kind of reverse intellectual snobbism to ignore a post that makes you uncomfortable?

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Wait, I´m confused, all this time women wanted to be treated equal and now it turns out they really want to be treated like 1950ties dames.

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being treated as equally important and valued is not the same as being identical you dipshit.

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Ha what garbage is this? Ha yes all men are larger than women? Total nonsense...

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Ellie Rosser
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She didn't say that. But you'd have to be pretty unobservant not to notice that on average most men are larger and DIFFERENTLY PROPORTIONED to most women. Also, many of her points had nothing to do with size, bit go ahead and focus on that if it helps you feel hard done by.

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This is what calls for "equality" always lead to. Not equality, but special treatment for one group over the other.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or you know, equity might also work...Put people at the same advantage instead of just giving them the same things and telling them to work with it...Most things are designed for the average male...How are women supposed to work as efficiently as men if that thing was tailored specifically for men? Would you like me to give a man a woman's blouse that might be around his size, and tell him to look more profession and do something with the extra cloth where the bustline and cleavage usually is? That's equality, but sometimes we do need special treatment for one group because they do indeed have different needs. So yeah maybe we're using the wrong word sometimes, but it's still doesn't excuse the fact that there have been problems with creating an equal (as in same level platform, not just given the same things) representation for both sexes.

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Now tell me again about this non-binary nonsense and how doctors are not supposed to ask gender etc...

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The driving one is only partly true. Seatbelts for women can be uncomfortable because of the way they cross the body. But NOBODY should be sitting close to the steering wheel. Size makes no difference to the proportion of our arm length to leg length. You should adjust your seat so your feet reach the pedals but then adjust the back of the seat so when you place a hand on the top of the steering wheel it has a slight bend at the elbow. This gives you full control and free movement of your arms. If you are sitting too close you are very restricted in turning the wheel quickly if needed. Trust me! Try it.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But, you just said it....if your legs are shorter so are your arms, ergo you are closer to the steering wheel!?

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