“They Don’t Actually Appreciate Me”: Employee Quits And Takes The Training Documents With Them, Boss Reaches Out In Less Than 24 Hours
A few days ago, a TikToker who goes on the platform by the nickname Queerbigan uploaded a video that has ignited a debate among its users on the employer-employee relationship.
In the clip, they explain why they felt unappreciated and say that it ultimately led to quitting. However, Queerbigan also admits that they took everything they produced at work, making the company go after them via phone (to which they responded by making the matter public).
As the TikTok gained traction, some viewers criticized the move and suggested that Queerbigan has opened themselves up to legal liability, while others are certain that the predatory business got what it deserved.
This TikToker just made the brave decision to quit their job
Image credits: _queerbigan
But they also took everything they produced for the company with them
We managed to get in touch with Queerbigan and they agreed to give us more context on the situation.
“I left because it was clear that we were viewing things differently/miscommunicating,” the TikToker told Bored Panda. “If I stayed longer, I would’ve felt more and more resentment. And it didn’t feel fair to have them receive that growing resentment, nor did it feel fair to keep me in a situation where I’d be feeling more and more resentment that I’d have to process emotionally later.”
“I really did (and still do) care about my coworkers, our clients, and our work,” they highlighted. “[When I made the video,] I had less than 100 followers [and] I was venting … I fully did not expect the reaction that occurred.”
“I think there’s a lot going on here. Some people are talking about appreciation, others are talking about legal stuff. I think people are upset that I’m not ‘admitting’ that if there was a lawsuit, I’d probably lose; or they’re upset that I’m so adamant that I’m not going to be sued,” Queerbigan continued.
“First of all, as my business class teacher hammered home again and again, anyone can sue anybody for anything … Second of all, I totally get those people’s arguments, but I also know the people I worked with/for. Regardless of any conflict between us, I know they’re not the type of people who’d do that sort of thing. And that’s not meant disrespectfully, but in the sense that as much as I felt under-appreciated, I can empathize with the idea that they thought they were doing the right things.”
The video in which they explain the situation immediately went viral
@_queerbigan like bro do not disrespect one of the key reasons you even hit production goals and get five star reviews! #greenscreen #officemanagement #assistantlife #quittingmyjob ♬ original sound – queerbigan
According to Michele Martell, an intellectual property attorney who has counseled businesses from The Muppets to the WWE and Crayola, as well as many individual inventors and creators, the Copyright Act automatically assigns authorship to employers rather than employee creators or inventors in two specific situations.
The first is where an employee develops the work within the scope of their employment, while the second occurs when the employer specifically orders or commissions the work from the employee. In both of these cases, the employer is seen as the author of the work in question.
“Broadly speaking, if an employee creates new intellectual property as part of their job, the employer owns that intellectual property,” Martell explained. “For example, if you’re an engineer and you design a more efficient engineering process, creating that new intellectual property is part of the job you’ve been hired to do.”
Everything becomes murkier only when an employee creates intellectual property that’s unrelated to their job. “If an accountant for the company, rather than an engineer, came up with that same engineering advancement, for example, there would be an argument that the work isn’t within the scope of their employment,” Martell noted.
While the exact details of the conflict between Queerbigan and their employer are unclear, the TikToker released a second video to address those who think they are essentially “ending their career” with a decision like this, clarifying that, in fact, it was exactly the exception that Martell mentioned.
“You’re assuming a lot about stuff that I didn’t actually detail,” Queerbigan said. “Contractually, these documents existed outside the scope of my position.”
“[For] that and other reasons, I just don’t think that they would have a case if they did take it to court but even then, like, litigation wise, I highly doubt that that’s happening.”
Image credits: _queerbigan
In another follow-up video, the TikToker reassured viewers that there won’t be anything exciting unfolding: “There’s not gonna be a lawsuit. I don’t need to get an attorney. They are not gonna get an attorney.”
“It’s really not an exciting situation,” Queerbigan added. A lot of people that are commenting have probably worked at, like, bigger businesses than I have. It’s just really funny because you all are like, ‘Oh, I can’t believe you admitted this on the internet’ … I know what I have disclosed and I know what I haven’t disclosed. If I were to say certain things that I haven’t said then maybe I could be in trouble or whatever, or maybe you would see that, like, the situation is really not as crazy as you all are making it seem.”
And many people are criticizing them for “stealing intellectual property”
But some support them for sticking it to the man
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Yeah, she's going to find herself, at best, on the side of a lawsuit, but, could easily have charges filed. The work she does on the clock at work is owned by the company. TikTok creates very dumb posts from people who may be smart. "Oh, look at me, I'm special." Wanting that social media moment creates people who do not consider the implications
See, that's what's not very clear. Did she create the documents PRIOR to starting there, and used them in that job? If so, they have no claim, she has every right to them; they don't. If she created the documents while she was on their payroll, then they are the intellectual property of her employer. If she created them while working for the company but she was hired as a contractor (i.e. not an employee) then the docs are her intellectual property and has every right to take them.
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If you don't want to end up in the s**t, take note. Anything you create on work time belongs to your employer unless you have something specifically in your contract that says otherwise. That is part and parcel of being an employee. Freelancers and contractors will have contracts that lay out who owns the IP. And for f***s sake, don't admit to stealing IP on the Internet!
I came here to say the same thing. Years ago I remember someone who had made a new "system" in work time, on works computers then tried to claim it as their own. It didn't end well for them.
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The only one with "gall" here is the OP. You agreed to the terms you were employed on, you produced documents you were paid/compensated to produce and now because you feel hard done by for whatever reason your gonna take company property with you. Good luck with that.....oh and finding a new sympathetic employer who agrees with the stupidy of your actions. I fully suspect that the company would have just restored the files from a daily/weekly/monthly backup. They now have the bonus of being able to take you to court for theft.
It seems clear to me from the article that OP was neither paid nor compensated to produce those documents, but that OP went above and beyond, doing things that were above their title and pay grade....a title and pay grade that they then gave to someone else.
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Nevermind the former employer. I'm very concerned about who is going to want to employ her in future because tbh I think her work ethics are questionable. And you know nowadays employers do background checks including social media before appointing someone. So she just repeatedly shot herself in the foot. Good luck with the tiktok career.
I think the work practices at her company are questionable too. She will have no problem. She can always start an employment blog offering commentary on various scandalous work practices. Influencing is very lucrative.
Load More Replies... This screams over-entitlement issues. What I noticed was she claimed she was "happy to provide those things" yet when she didn't get what she wanted, she took them with her. I guess she was only happy to provide them IF they appreciated her the way she wanted them to. She also is disgruntled about doing extra work without recognition. Doing extra work with the expectation of getting a promotion or raise is setting yourself up for anger. "Unspoken expectations lead to future resentments." Either learn to let go of the expectation, or speak up about your expectations before doing the work.
She didn't ask for a raise or a promotion. She asked that she be given at least SOME of the credit for her own work. And yes, it would probably not be unreasonable for her to see some kind of pay or title change given that other people - people taking credit for her work - got raises and promotions, but she specifically didn't ask for those things.
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I did something similar when I left a job years ago, but I'm not a moron. I left all the documents I created, but before I left I password protected them. Each document with its own 20+ digit alphanumeric password. They are completely unusable, but they are still in the companies possession.
Hmm...normally when you are unhappy with a job and feel unappreciated you just put out feelers for a better job opportunity and bide your time until you find another job. Instead you burnt your bridges, set yourself up for legal liability, and announced to the internet that you are not a trustworthy employee. While I do get that the younger generation doesn't want to put up with a lot of the BS that previous generations went through, and that there are times when making a stand is appropriate, it isn't clear to me that this qualifies at all to be put in that category of making this your hill to die on.
I was under the impression that any documents/manuals you created for the job while you were ON the job, were the property of the business. Is that not correct?
It's absolutely correct. She's admitted theft to the world.
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I love that she screwed them over for being ©®ap, but she definitely should've kept it on the down low and not f*©king Tik Tok. She not only opened herself up for potentially several lawsuits but for all intents and purposes will never be hired in such a position again.
The fact this person is online venting to a bunch of people who dont know her, to me means she feels she is not on solid ground. And getting flip about getting sued is immature. She would still have to hire a lawyer etc etc and even if she did win it would be a pyrrhic victory. She wanted to quit (or was fired) so walk away instead of trying to get the final word.
This is a really good point. She could somehow win the case, but employers could still choose to not hire her because of her conduct. Pyrrhic victory is the best way to describe it, 100% agree.
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Lol i was going to say . Wait she created that at work on work equipment. Then that's company owned. Opening herself up to legal issues for sure. Maybe ntah but definitely not terribly smart thing to do and admit in writing publically.
This girl needs to learn to manage perception at work. Self promotion at work is necessary. If you take on extra work the your boss is not aware of, then its up to you to let them know. Otherwise they will assume you're only doing assigned work.
Get a big black marker and heavily redact those puppies. You need to read your new hire paperwork very carefully. Most companies put in the contracts that anything produced while you work for them is company property. It covers them in case they fire anyone or have someone leave with a grudge. Also, how long did you work for the company? If you expected pay title promotions from working a couple of years, that's not how the business industry works. Were these other people that got money and titles your bosses/managers or were they new hires? Need more info.....
This is what burns me up ....you come into the company and addressed company policy and protocols for the safety of all employees that work in your presence and yet you get no thank you for one ..two you work for ungrateful muthas and yeah tell them I said it ...I don't mind slapping the illegal and heinous s**t from them ...I took the story as total disrespect for your talent and knowledge...I say fuckem and feed them butter beans I wouldn't worry about those slackers anyway ... keep your head up and move on
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You created the document at work for the company, so you are stealing company property. Second, you took the job at whatever pay you and the company agreed to. I do not get a pat on the back for my work and I do not expect a pat on the back it is my job to do the best of my ability and the company to pay me.
I guess if I work for Ford, and one day decide they don't appreciate me, I can quit and take all the F-150s I made with me. Lol
No because Ford supplied the materials for you to make the product. She said she created documents on her own computer at work. Not a good comparison nice try though not.
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Not Smart. Anything created on company time and compensation is completely company owned. Epic fail on her part.
I understand it sucks they basically walked all over her, but if she made those docs FOR the company while employed there, they belong to the company. This isn't an AITA post, but still, ESH.
OP didn’t have to make documents. All they had to do was their work responsibilities. It’s one thing to gain recognition for work you are contracted for, it’s another to gain recognition for work you chose to do. Not gonna lie, this may very well turn into a lawsuit as OP has not only posted their side online, but has also challenged said company by saying “it’s within their best interest to-“. Not to mention, employers who go through your social media, will see that, will hear of that, and OP will ultimately lose this battle. Sad.
She's going to get sued big time. What you create at your job is the company's property not yours. She thinks she's slick well let's see how slick she is when she has to pay massive fines. And to quit because they don't appreciate you. I would say 95% of employers don't appreciate their employees, that's reality chick, get over it. And of course this is all just for attention because she obviously doesn't get enough.
She's not fooling anyone. She took those docs out of spite and passive aggression; ignoring the fact that employers own the property you create on their paid time. Let her be a lesson for others like her.
Not only has she burned bridges, she is going to have trouble building a bridge to somewhere else because few employers will want to hire someone who openly admits to beinng spiteful when they don't get their way.
Recruiter of 18 years experience here…. So, yea, she will be sued and not only that, but what future employer would even consider hiring you after this?…..and believe me, most employers scour social media to find out more about you…. You have seriously damaged your reputation as a common thief to future employers… enjoy you future of slinging coffees at the drive thru….
Future employers will see this kind of behaviour and say "No thanks".
This is what an idiot looks like. Take note. This individual doesn't get life. What is created at work stays at work. Just because you feel butt hurt doesn't mean you can take all of your balls and go home.
I'm sure it felt good - but she'd better lawyer up. I bet the whole time she was thinking to herself how awesome this drama would be on social media. I certainly wouldn't hire her. She has no idea why someone else is getting the salary they are getting - and all the rest is her immaturity from that starting point.
If you felt underpaid you should have started looking for another, better paying job. And what’s the deal with feeling appreciated? Your appreciation was in your paycheck each week. What you did was petty and defines you as the Karen you are. Grow up.
Nope!!!! As someone in the Learning & Development/Training dept of a RATHER LARGE corporate company, there is *entirely too few facts* to say she did anything illegal. 1) Did the docs get created for a SPECIFIC purpose related to this SPECIFIC company and its processes? 2) Are these processes proprietary to THIS company? 3)When did she create the documents? On her own time? During work hours? 4) Where did she create them? On her work computer? At home and then print or email herself the finished docs? 5) Is there anything stated in the Employee Handbook - to the tune of: any documents/processes/etc created on company time, (during your paid work hours), on company equipment, and/or/as well as the creation of anything dealing with information that falls under the company's company specific purpose. 6) Do these documents contain private company, client, or employee information? Do I need to continue? I'm not saying she's right or wrong, I'm saying there's not enough information!
1. Don't steal IP on the way out the door. 2. Don't film yourself admitting to stealing IP on the way out the door. Sure, they may not sue, but I hate the assertion she makes that "anybody can sue for anything." That's true, but in this case OP is in the wrong. It's not because we "kiss up" to employers, but because we're smart enough to pick our battles. We know this is one we'd lose. The justice system isn't going to say "oh sweetie, they didn't value you? I understand, you're free to go."
Nah. Tik tokker generation thinks they do no wrong. Lol
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Whether or not she shouldn't have taken the documents is one thing, but am I the only one who thought her need for recognition was a little postalworkery? She went from entitled to whiny to holy c**p this is why red flag laws are becoming a thing.
It wont matter if she created the docs she created it under the company name she was working for them unless she was a outside consultant. Even if the company deserved it.Doesnt mean its legal right once break a llaw depending on company rules you sign off on when start will leave you up for legal laibility which will be more of headache than taking the papers. I signed off on a company if I used there tools without to develop my own and now make money they can sue ...Does not mean they will win but companies mostly have really good attornies for IP litagtiion or general litigation.My family is in law attornies and Fed judge always think with your head and not your anger ..that leads to a lot problems..I just think a lawsuit its not worth taking documenys unless they were your outside documents not created while working for the company you were working for.
You're not allowed to take stuff with you. Copying stuff is much harder to detect - so I'm told...
Legalities aside, their actions speak volumes about what kind of human being they are. I'm not sure why this younger generation thinks that a less than ideal employment situation gives them justification for acting like a crappy human. It's petty and reductive. If you ever want to climb the corporate ladder, you're going to have to learn how to deal more constructively with things like a lack of appreciation.
Bull c**p , to be successful in the business world, you are dishonest lol. Do your own work don't take advantage of lower people, you are not better, just have more reasons and resources to be kind. Corporate ladder is deceitful and treacherous, modern day piracy. Lol
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People tell their business on the internet, then act annoyed when they get comments that are contrary to their position. Keep your personal business to yourself and no one can comment on it. Also, telling 1/2 of a situation is just dim. I guess folks are out here looking for support...see a therspist.
Everyone's focused on consequences, but not morals. I think this enployee is a selfish, self-centered jerk who felt entitled to special, better than others treatment, and when she didn't get that, she lashed out to hurt other people. She proved the employer right in their judgment. Likely, her super duper products will be replicated and all will go on without her. This situation ended as it inevitably would have, and for the OP, what goes around comes around.
Goes around come around? It did she gave it back. Did you not read she was forced to do someone's else's work? Is that OK? Taking advantage of people?
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Was she tasked to create those training files by her employer? If it wasn't tasked by her employer and she created them in her free time wanting to improve the company then they don't own the intellectual property. Maybe you corporate folk should appreciate your employees, most of them are smarter than you anyways.. only reason their not as successful as you is because they have morals which y'all don't. It's like employees are expected to give two week notices to their employers, but when you're fired does your employer give you a two week notice? Y'all can't have it both ways, and you can't expect to treat people like s*** and have them stick around.
Grow up and welcome to the real world where everyone doesn't always get a trophy! Or recognition. Or paid what their worth. But you had a job doing something "you loved". Sticking it out and gaining experience and awesome bullet points for your resume would have been much more rewarding.
She's not fooling anyone. She took the docs out of spite and passive aggression. The company owns everything you develop on their paid time. In trying to be a smarty pants she sealed her own fate. Let her be a lesson for others.
Look at her account, the third video she ever posted, after the funny mattress ranch. This is what she wrote : « Hourly jobs are B$ cuz ur get paid less for doing work efficiently, for one thing » The next one she complain how administrative assistants are underappreciated and paid dust. And now she tell us she worked all that time for nothing without expectation other than being recognized?? Look fishy to me...
It's suspect we don't know any details about the problem, and have to rely on her word exclusively. There is always two side, and I'm not judging when only one side give me a partial view. So it's pretty useless arguing about this, as we know nothing. But it makes a good clickbait tiktok video.
Kinda fun to read opinions and see how everyone thinks - often with emotions as opposed to law. Most of this is smoke and mirrors; my computer, at home, etc. Contract law will LIKELY prevail. “I pay you to work… You work.” The consequences are mine (employer). Good or bad. Send the documents back and go work somewhere else. If you use them somewhere else that’s when the hammer will fall and this 15 minutes will turn into a lifetime lesson.
Being a former employer on the level she's talking about first and foremost no they can not sue her she holds copyright due to being outside her position second stop being armchair attorneys and just comment on what you actually have knowledge on and not what you assume..third what she did was what was needed to be done..either they didn't respect her because of her sex race or work ethic bring in a hostile work environment is not got for either one..she left with what was not paid for by then and she could sale the items to them if they want to buy them...if she wants to obviously...
No matter how badly she was/feels she was treated, this is theft. I doubt they'll go after her but now that she's viral, it'll hinder her chances with other employment. I wouldn't hire her. You gotta know what conversations to keep to yourself. Oh, the cost of thinking everything needs to be on social media.
It amazes me how many times I see things like, they don't appreciate me. News flash... corporatism doesn't give one full penny about you. They care about the bottom line... PERIOD! I don't know why everyone expects the red carpet. If you're not satisfied at work, find a new job.
This lady could be in trouble. Do they not know the corporate business world? You own nothing as an employee. Then she admits she stole the documents on the web? This is me..shaking my head.
I would say that it's safe to assume that a lot of the work wasn't actually done on company time. And since it was her own computer from before she worked there she is allowed to take it
She simply should have deleted the folder and feign ignorance about it's whereabouts. Hope she has a good lawyer, this gotta be expensive for her at the end.
If you create documents to use for your own notes and then share them with the company, that is NOT the company's property. I don't know where people are getting that from. Now, if she was contracted to do them, asked by a boss, or it was a part of her duties then yes they would absolutely have a case. I had a job at a call center. We had these terrible systems where if someone locked themselves out of their specially assigned passwords the tech support for the software couldn't unlock the password, and they couldn't make new usernames for the rep bc they needed their first and last name and employment number. Only one could be made per rep and they system wouldn't make another. I ended up having to carry every password around in a big binder and physically log in every rep so they couldn't mess it up. When blackberries were really the ONLY smart phone, I got one, created an excel document with all the password so I wouldn't have to carry the docs. Management stopped caring about
The binder and most of the pages got lost or the passwords were up to date with new hires and had expires/got locked. By that point the big boss had a grudge out for me bc corporate LOVED me and my supervisor but wouldn't even allow her to talk to them anymore. She wanted to fire me but couldn't because if she did I would take my phone, thus all her precious passwords, and dip. She finally got the chance when we changed companies to a new client at the end of the contract. But that's okay bc another supervisor UNDER the manager hired me on to his team as trainer/tech/data entry. We had multiple clients at this point and the one his team manned the phones for loved my supervisor but HATED the manager too. They would pull the contract if they ever got rid of my supervisor and refused to communicate with the manager. So, the supervisor had autonomous control of hiring firing for his team as well as how we worked. If the manager didn't like it or gave him s**t all he had to do was threaten
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Things that didn't actually happen or happened way different than how OP laid it out for $1000 Alex.
There are a lot of hating butt kissers on here trying to make her feel bad for standing up for herself. Your calling her all these names or she’s untrustworthy what about these employers that treat you like c**p, fire you around the holidays or worse they care about you less and here you stanning. They were hers she took em, get over it. She doesn’t need a mob of self righteous AH’s bashing her for something you’d do differently. I commend her, next time create stuff that will help you with executing your duties at home unpaid and send it to yourself at work, I commend you! Also talking about other jobs won’t hire her that company can be sued for divulging such information especially if they haven’t sued her and won first it’s their word against hers! So stop!
The tiktok has been deleted. She broke the law and then outed herself. Hopefully the lesson wasn't too expensive.
I love how everyone are going in on the OP without hardly anyone commenting on her sh^^ty company and how they did her. They used and abused and just so all you goody, goody types know. Taking IP from companies is a time honored revenge tract and unless to do with an invention or something of great value, is RARELY pursued by most companies. WHY? Because they must delineate what was taken and most have NO IDEA what was taken. She could give them bs back as the IP and they would never know. Without copies of what she took, they would have a very hard time proving what she left out. Telling a judge it was " a folder, this thick" will not work. They have to outline what is missing in detail and I'm betting they don't have a clue. I was an auditor and investigator in a highly regulated industry and the IP thst walked out the door including R&D info was staggering but there were very few recourse despite everyone signing both IP and NDAs.
One of the ugliest things companies do is use one employee to upgrade upper mgmt or handpicked Jr's. That is what they did to the OP. They refused to give her money or title , used her material to elevate others and thought her job was to just suck it up and keep playing low key theft games. Her post will not age well. Neither will the knowledge of what they did to her. She should have just hinted at what she did and when they called her up be like:" I have nooooo idea where those documents might be, but you hired boy/girl wonder to do my job so I'm guessing they can whip up new docs just like mine on their lunch hour" About 37 years ago I worked for a company who did similar to me. I trained a girl, we both got the same promotion and pay, even though I continued to "assist her" for over a year, plus we were given the same job title. They made me oversee her work, review/correct it too. The kicker? They did it because of her race and the optics of me over her. She was White.
I'm a freelance bookkeeper. One of my "hire me" tenants is that I will write an idiot proof manual for my job (based on whichever accounting program you use). So basically, If I drop dead, people can still get paid. Yeah. The place went to S**T after I quit - even WITH the manual.
God I would hate to have this person as a coworker. Regardless of what happens to her doing this was trashy/common whatever you want to call it. The world is going to s**t.
Ironically the reason I read this article at all was the fact that I am also unappreciated at work, so the title caught my eye and I can truly understand why you did what you did. Most owners of a company, (other then the ones where the owners get their own hands dirty), give themselves more credit then they deserve for the success of a company. Employees make the money, we are the reason for it's success. Our country has been brainwashed into thinking the owners feed us...we are the ones feeding everyone, with our brains, countless hours and good ideas and for us blue collar workers...we sacrifice our bodies for people to have water, electricity, heat...ect. It is time we all start sticking up for ourselves and our coworkers ( I already had my discussion with my owner). As for the taking documents, it is the same thing as Trump, it is still stealing, so give the documents back asap
Can't believe everyone thinks that everything you create on work time belongs to the company.. hey I was pregnant while at work, made a baby during that time, does it belong to the company? I drew a diagram to explain something, I wrote down instructions to fix something, took a photo, on my own device, does this all belong to the company and nothing belongs to me? No, thats not entirely how that works. And the fact that she wasn't being payed to train or create training documents, nor was she given the job position to do so, I'm pretty sure she's well within her rights to take those docs home. They were about to use them to replace her! The documents were clearly more valuable to them than her as an employee even though she created them. Sounds like she will be fine and they are SOL.
A few things about this jumped out to me-- 1) Does the poster ever hope to be hired elsewhere at any point in the future of civilization? 2) We've ALL felt under appreciated at work, yet most of us don't feel entitled to take up the valuable time of internet strangers bemoaning this unfortunate aspect of the human condition. 3) Most people who've ever worked someplace were asked/required to create SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures)/Process Docs/Training Materials for the employer... It's a part of 21st century adult life, almost as fundamental as eating. This whole thing reeks of millennial entitlement and naivety. I'd be surprised if the transgression warrants the cost of a lawsuit but in any case yeah cross fingers whenever meeting future hiring managers.
She's an idiot, bottom line. If she was instructed to create the training, even though it wasn't within her job description, it would definitely be something they commissioned her to do. Therefore, still their property.
Opinions opinions opinions , if you haven’t taken any documents from you company on your way out the door and received any backlash . Shut up !
First you have to have something worth sueing for, and seeing how the company has predatory practices for taking advantage of employees just trying to get a foot in the door and prosper, they will just have some other person trying to get ahead do them. Lawyers are expensive and if they are as money hungry as it seems. They won't spend a dime they can't get back. Good for her! Get up! Stand up and give it back! Well done!
This article started by using the they pronoun for Her but she clearly referers to herself as a me and I…. This is a bit nutty … Ps. When you work at a company and not for (subcontracted ) a company… then you are creating docs for the company… you stole the documents.. best to return them
"Waaaah! Bleeeeat! Meeeeeeee!". What an insufferable, nonsensical individual. Truly.
Lol. People are so far up a company's hole that they lose their brain along the way. They keep speaking about "technically" this & that - aye, stfu 😒 🙄. It doesn't take rocket science to know that the actuality is, the individual person who created the thing is the creator of the thing. Yall want to b***h about ethics but steer all around the lack of ethics exists in how an employer legally has the rights to legally steal the creations of their employees. That's what it is. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical. Just because it's ethical doesn't mean it's moral. Just because it's moral doesn't mean it's legal. This is one of the most common cruces in human philosophy, law, and sociology. So again, yall are feeding into a system that doesn't work for the people - it literally robs them repeatedly. It robs us repeatedly. Say what you want to protect the interests of your business, but that s**t ain't protecting you unless you're the owner 💯
I want to what was the job title. And she aware of getting sued she just didn't care for 2 reason. One she knew what she did wasnt important enough for lawsuit. Just because anybody can sue doesn't mean they do it's not easy especially for small what sound like company she was working during start up. The fact that she left the companies name out gave them reason not to sue her. Because then they name themselves out for her post. She wouldn't even face defamation charges they do it themselves since this went viral everyone we would know "___" company underpaid her than fired her when ask for recognition. Companies are more like sue for defamation then spend hrs and thousands over couple training papers they can remake.plus if she lives outside the us they're not gunho about lawsuits.
I worked for a startup and when the fired me and everyone else because they sold the company with out telling us I deleted every single form, training books, anything everything for my department. Lmao screw all of them.
I guess if I work for Ford, and one day decide they don't appreciate me, I can quit and take all the F-150s I made while I was there. Lol
Oh boy this is why things never change. Seeing all these scary people commenting is why businesses treat employees like c**p.smh I created an automatic bank reconciliation in excel years ago at a job. Initially it took over 4 hours to reconcile because they were doing it manually. My excel sheet took 20 minutes to complete with my spreadsheet. I was in the same boat as OP underpaid and not appreciated. My boss did the same thing texting me. I told him to F off and don't contact me again. No lawsuit goofies. Why? Because they are not going to spend a whole bunch of money on legal unless it's stops the business in a major form
She may luckily be right ,but the presumption of legality is legality untill proven otherwise...it's still so easy to say she made the video detailing the texts as a joke but planed on returning them if they saw her value and that is denial of crime,it's sorta a smarter hood ,the office.every company does have a policy thought and you should know yours,it's like working at quick trip and having a no chase policy and someone at qwik e mart being like ,huh?I state both facts in support of people owning there work unless there paid piece by piece,or it was routine commonplace tasks ,she may have a case that it's not the payroll or the companies phone log it's training papers she made so she wouldn't have to train people as time intensively,and the staff should give her her title or do it the way that's in there handbook,she should get a lawyer contrary to her beliefs of fair play should they file criminal charges,and explore the loophole that if it's not on there manual it's hers
I wonder why other people were taking the credit by getting paid more and getting titles not deserved for her work? This is too common in America especially when it comes to women employees and people of color.
She made these documents with her own computer, on her own time, without anything in her contract stating that was part of her job duties. The documents existed outside of the scope of her job. As the lawyer Bored Panda consulted said since those documents were not a part of her job duties and not in the contract, they belong to her, not the company.
If you created something to make your job easier, not necessarily to advance the company because the company didn't asked you to create it. It's yours. If they saw that what you created benefited them long-term, then they should of given you a raise and then being they actually bought it from you then it could be theirs. When you got the job did they ask you to create it? Did they pay you? Did they even know you had the skills to do something like that? Next patten it before it's too late.
Read the WHOLE post. The IP that she took was OUTside the scope of her work. Therefore, she owns it and the company has no leg to stand on.
She used company time to create materials for her own private use. She owes the company either the documents , or her paid wages.
Load More Replies... Yeah, she's going to find herself, at best, on the side of a lawsuit, but, could easily have charges filed. The work she does on the clock at work is owned by the company. TikTok creates very dumb posts from people who may be smart. "Oh, look at me, I'm special." Wanting that social media moment creates people who do not consider the implications
See, that's what's not very clear. Did she create the documents PRIOR to starting there, and used them in that job? If so, they have no claim, she has every right to them; they don't. If she created the documents while she was on their payroll, then they are the intellectual property of her employer. If she created them while working for the company but she was hired as a contractor (i.e. not an employee) then the docs are her intellectual property and has every right to take them.
Load More Replies... If you don't want to end up in the s**t, take note. Anything you create on work time belongs to your employer unless you have something specifically in your contract that says otherwise. That is part and parcel of being an employee. Freelancers and contractors will have contracts that lay out who owns the IP. And for f***s sake, don't admit to stealing IP on the Internet!
I came here to say the same thing. Years ago I remember someone who had made a new "system" in work time, on works computers then tried to claim it as their own. It didn't end well for them.
Load More Replies... The only one with "gall" here is the OP. You agreed to the terms you were employed on, you produced documents you were paid/compensated to produce and now because you feel hard done by for whatever reason your gonna take company property with you. Good luck with that.....oh and finding a new sympathetic employer who agrees with the stupidy of your actions. I fully suspect that the company would have just restored the files from a daily/weekly/monthly backup. They now have the bonus of being able to take you to court for theft.
It seems clear to me from the article that OP was neither paid nor compensated to produce those documents, but that OP went above and beyond, doing things that were above their title and pay grade....a title and pay grade that they then gave to someone else.
Load More Replies... Nevermind the former employer. I'm very concerned about who is going to want to employ her in future because tbh I think her work ethics are questionable. And you know nowadays employers do background checks including social media before appointing someone. So she just repeatedly shot herself in the foot. Good luck with the tiktok career.
I think the work practices at her company are questionable too. She will have no problem. She can always start an employment blog offering commentary on various scandalous work practices. Influencing is very lucrative.
Load More Replies... This screams over-entitlement issues. What I noticed was she claimed she was "happy to provide those things" yet when she didn't get what she wanted, she took them with her. I guess she was only happy to provide them IF they appreciated her the way she wanted them to. She also is disgruntled about doing extra work without recognition. Doing extra work with the expectation of getting a promotion or raise is setting yourself up for anger. "Unspoken expectations lead to future resentments." Either learn to let go of the expectation, or speak up about your expectations before doing the work.
She didn't ask for a raise or a promotion. She asked that she be given at least SOME of the credit for her own work. And yes, it would probably not be unreasonable for her to see some kind of pay or title change given that other people - people taking credit for her work - got raises and promotions, but she specifically didn't ask for those things.
Load More Replies... I did something similar when I left a job years ago, but I'm not a moron. I left all the documents I created, but before I left I password protected them. Each document with its own 20+ digit alphanumeric password. They are completely unusable, but they are still in the companies possession.
Hmm...normally when you are unhappy with a job and feel unappreciated you just put out feelers for a better job opportunity and bide your time until you find another job. Instead you burnt your bridges, set yourself up for legal liability, and announced to the internet that you are not a trustworthy employee. While I do get that the younger generation doesn't want to put up with a lot of the BS that previous generations went through, and that there are times when making a stand is appropriate, it isn't clear to me that this qualifies at all to be put in that category of making this your hill to die on.
I was under the impression that any documents/manuals you created for the job while you were ON the job, were the property of the business. Is that not correct?
It's absolutely correct. She's admitted theft to the world.
Load More Replies... I love that she screwed them over for being ©®ap, but she definitely should've kept it on the down low and not f*©king Tik Tok. She not only opened herself up for potentially several lawsuits but for all intents and purposes will never be hired in such a position again.
The fact this person is online venting to a bunch of people who dont know her, to me means she feels she is not on solid ground. And getting flip about getting sued is immature. She would still have to hire a lawyer etc etc and even if she did win it would be a pyrrhic victory. She wanted to quit (or was fired) so walk away instead of trying to get the final word.
This is a really good point. She could somehow win the case, but employers could still choose to not hire her because of her conduct. Pyrrhic victory is the best way to describe it, 100% agree.
Load More Replies... Lol i was going to say . Wait she created that at work on work equipment. Then that's company owned. Opening herself up to legal issues for sure. Maybe ntah but definitely not terribly smart thing to do and admit in writing publically.
This girl needs to learn to manage perception at work. Self promotion at work is necessary. If you take on extra work the your boss is not aware of, then its up to you to let them know. Otherwise they will assume you're only doing assigned work.
Get a big black marker and heavily redact those puppies. You need to read your new hire paperwork very carefully. Most companies put in the contracts that anything produced while you work for them is company property. It covers them in case they fire anyone or have someone leave with a grudge. Also, how long did you work for the company? If you expected pay title promotions from working a couple of years, that's not how the business industry works. Were these other people that got money and titles your bosses/managers or were they new hires? Need more info.....
This is what burns me up ....you come into the company and addressed company policy and protocols for the safety of all employees that work in your presence and yet you get no thank you for one ..two you work for ungrateful muthas and yeah tell them I said it ...I don't mind slapping the illegal and heinous s**t from them ...I took the story as total disrespect for your talent and knowledge...I say fuckem and feed them butter beans I wouldn't worry about those slackers anyway ... keep your head up and move on
Load More Replies... You created the document at work for the company, so you are stealing company property. Second, you took the job at whatever pay you and the company agreed to. I do not get a pat on the back for my work and I do not expect a pat on the back it is my job to do the best of my ability and the company to pay me.
I guess if I work for Ford, and one day decide they don't appreciate me, I can quit and take all the F-150s I made with me. Lol
No because Ford supplied the materials for you to make the product. She said she created documents on her own computer at work. Not a good comparison nice try though not.
Load More Replies... Not Smart. Anything created on company time and compensation is completely company owned. Epic fail on her part.
I understand it sucks they basically walked all over her, but if she made those docs FOR the company while employed there, they belong to the company. This isn't an AITA post, but still, ESH.
OP didn’t have to make documents. All they had to do was their work responsibilities. It’s one thing to gain recognition for work you are contracted for, it’s another to gain recognition for work you chose to do. Not gonna lie, this may very well turn into a lawsuit as OP has not only posted their side online, but has also challenged said company by saying “it’s within their best interest to-“. Not to mention, employers who go through your social media, will see that, will hear of that, and OP will ultimately lose this battle. Sad.
She's going to get sued big time. What you create at your job is the company's property not yours. She thinks she's slick well let's see how slick she is when she has to pay massive fines. And to quit because they don't appreciate you. I would say 95% of employers don't appreciate their employees, that's reality chick, get over it. And of course this is all just for attention because she obviously doesn't get enough.
She's not fooling anyone. She took those docs out of spite and passive aggression; ignoring the fact that employers own the property you create on their paid time. Let her be a lesson for others like her.
Not only has she burned bridges, she is going to have trouble building a bridge to somewhere else because few employers will want to hire someone who openly admits to beinng spiteful when they don't get their way.
Recruiter of 18 years experience here…. So, yea, she will be sued and not only that, but what future employer would even consider hiring you after this?…..and believe me, most employers scour social media to find out more about you…. You have seriously damaged your reputation as a common thief to future employers… enjoy you future of slinging coffees at the drive thru….
Future employers will see this kind of behaviour and say "No thanks".
This is what an idiot looks like. Take note. This individual doesn't get life. What is created at work stays at work. Just because you feel butt hurt doesn't mean you can take all of your balls and go home.
I'm sure it felt good - but she'd better lawyer up. I bet the whole time she was thinking to herself how awesome this drama would be on social media. I certainly wouldn't hire her. She has no idea why someone else is getting the salary they are getting - and all the rest is her immaturity from that starting point.
If you felt underpaid you should have started looking for another, better paying job. And what’s the deal with feeling appreciated? Your appreciation was in your paycheck each week. What you did was petty and defines you as the Karen you are. Grow up.
Nope!!!! As someone in the Learning & Development/Training dept of a RATHER LARGE corporate company, there is *entirely too few facts* to say she did anything illegal. 1) Did the docs get created for a SPECIFIC purpose related to this SPECIFIC company and its processes? 2) Are these processes proprietary to THIS company? 3)When did she create the documents? On her own time? During work hours? 4) Where did she create them? On her work computer? At home and then print or email herself the finished docs? 5) Is there anything stated in the Employee Handbook - to the tune of: any documents/processes/etc created on company time, (during your paid work hours), on company equipment, and/or/as well as the creation of anything dealing with information that falls under the company's company specific purpose. 6) Do these documents contain private company, client, or employee information? Do I need to continue? I'm not saying she's right or wrong, I'm saying there's not enough information!
1. Don't steal IP on the way out the door. 2. Don't film yourself admitting to stealing IP on the way out the door. Sure, they may not sue, but I hate the assertion she makes that "anybody can sue for anything." That's true, but in this case OP is in the wrong. It's not because we "kiss up" to employers, but because we're smart enough to pick our battles. We know this is one we'd lose. The justice system isn't going to say "oh sweetie, they didn't value you? I understand, you're free to go."
Nah. Tik tokker generation thinks they do no wrong. Lol
Load More Replies... Whether or not she shouldn't have taken the documents is one thing, but am I the only one who thought her need for recognition was a little postalworkery? She went from entitled to whiny to holy c**p this is why red flag laws are becoming a thing.
It wont matter if she created the docs she created it under the company name she was working for them unless she was a outside consultant. Even if the company deserved it.Doesnt mean its legal right once break a llaw depending on company rules you sign off on when start will leave you up for legal laibility which will be more of headache than taking the papers. I signed off on a company if I used there tools without to develop my own and now make money they can sue ...Does not mean they will win but companies mostly have really good attornies for IP litagtiion or general litigation.My family is in law attornies and Fed judge always think with your head and not your anger ..that leads to a lot problems..I just think a lawsuit its not worth taking documenys unless they were your outside documents not created while working for the company you were working for.
You're not allowed to take stuff with you. Copying stuff is much harder to detect - so I'm told...
Legalities aside, their actions speak volumes about what kind of human being they are. I'm not sure why this younger generation thinks that a less than ideal employment situation gives them justification for acting like a crappy human. It's petty and reductive. If you ever want to climb the corporate ladder, you're going to have to learn how to deal more constructively with things like a lack of appreciation.
Bull c**p , to be successful in the business world, you are dishonest lol. Do your own work don't take advantage of lower people, you are not better, just have more reasons and resources to be kind. Corporate ladder is deceitful and treacherous, modern day piracy. Lol
Load More Replies... People tell their business on the internet, then act annoyed when they get comments that are contrary to their position. Keep your personal business to yourself and no one can comment on it. Also, telling 1/2 of a situation is just dim. I guess folks are out here looking for support...see a therspist.
Everyone's focused on consequences, but not morals. I think this enployee is a selfish, self-centered jerk who felt entitled to special, better than others treatment, and when she didn't get that, she lashed out to hurt other people. She proved the employer right in their judgment. Likely, her super duper products will be replicated and all will go on without her. This situation ended as it inevitably would have, and for the OP, what goes around comes around.
Goes around come around? It did she gave it back. Did you not read she was forced to do someone's else's work? Is that OK? Taking advantage of people?
Load More Replies... Was she tasked to create those training files by her employer? If it wasn't tasked by her employer and she created them in her free time wanting to improve the company then they don't own the intellectual property. Maybe you corporate folk should appreciate your employees, most of them are smarter than you anyways.. only reason their not as successful as you is because they have morals which y'all don't. It's like employees are expected to give two week notices to their employers, but when you're fired does your employer give you a two week notice? Y'all can't have it both ways, and you can't expect to treat people like s*** and have them stick around.
Grow up and welcome to the real world where everyone doesn't always get a trophy! Or recognition. Or paid what their worth. But you had a job doing something "you loved". Sticking it out and gaining experience and awesome bullet points for your resume would have been much more rewarding.
She's not fooling anyone. She took the docs out of spite and passive aggression. The company owns everything you develop on their paid time. In trying to be a smarty pants she sealed her own fate. Let her be a lesson for others.
Look at her account, the third video she ever posted, after the funny mattress ranch. This is what she wrote : « Hourly jobs are B$ cuz ur get paid less for doing work efficiently, for one thing » The next one she complain how administrative assistants are underappreciated and paid dust. And now she tell us she worked all that time for nothing without expectation other than being recognized?? Look fishy to me...
It's suspect we don't know any details about the problem, and have to rely on her word exclusively. There is always two side, and I'm not judging when only one side give me a partial view. So it's pretty useless arguing about this, as we know nothing. But it makes a good clickbait tiktok video.
Kinda fun to read opinions and see how everyone thinks - often with emotions as opposed to law. Most of this is smoke and mirrors; my computer, at home, etc. Contract law will LIKELY prevail. “I pay you to work… You work.” The consequences are mine (employer). Good or bad. Send the documents back and go work somewhere else. If you use them somewhere else that’s when the hammer will fall and this 15 minutes will turn into a lifetime lesson.
Being a former employer on the level she's talking about first and foremost no they can not sue her she holds copyright due to being outside her position second stop being armchair attorneys and just comment on what you actually have knowledge on and not what you assume..third what she did was what was needed to be done..either they didn't respect her because of her sex race or work ethic bring in a hostile work environment is not got for either one..she left with what was not paid for by then and she could sale the items to them if they want to buy them...if she wants to obviously...
No matter how badly she was/feels she was treated, this is theft. I doubt they'll go after her but now that she's viral, it'll hinder her chances with other employment. I wouldn't hire her. You gotta know what conversations to keep to yourself. Oh, the cost of thinking everything needs to be on social media.
It amazes me how many times I see things like, they don't appreciate me. News flash... corporatism doesn't give one full penny about you. They care about the bottom line... PERIOD! I don't know why everyone expects the red carpet. If you're not satisfied at work, find a new job.
This lady could be in trouble. Do they not know the corporate business world? You own nothing as an employee. Then she admits she stole the documents on the web? This is me..shaking my head.
I would say that it's safe to assume that a lot of the work wasn't actually done on company time. And since it was her own computer from before she worked there she is allowed to take it
She simply should have deleted the folder and feign ignorance about it's whereabouts. Hope she has a good lawyer, this gotta be expensive for her at the end.
If you create documents to use for your own notes and then share them with the company, that is NOT the company's property. I don't know where people are getting that from. Now, if she was contracted to do them, asked by a boss, or it was a part of her duties then yes they would absolutely have a case. I had a job at a call center. We had these terrible systems where if someone locked themselves out of their specially assigned passwords the tech support for the software couldn't unlock the password, and they couldn't make new usernames for the rep bc they needed their first and last name and employment number. Only one could be made per rep and they system wouldn't make another. I ended up having to carry every password around in a big binder and physically log in every rep so they couldn't mess it up. When blackberries were really the ONLY smart phone, I got one, created an excel document with all the password so I wouldn't have to carry the docs. Management stopped caring about
The binder and most of the pages got lost or the passwords were up to date with new hires and had expires/got locked. By that point the big boss had a grudge out for me bc corporate LOVED me and my supervisor but wouldn't even allow her to talk to them anymore. She wanted to fire me but couldn't because if she did I would take my phone, thus all her precious passwords, and dip. She finally got the chance when we changed companies to a new client at the end of the contract. But that's okay bc another supervisor UNDER the manager hired me on to his team as trainer/tech/data entry. We had multiple clients at this point and the one his team manned the phones for loved my supervisor but HATED the manager too. They would pull the contract if they ever got rid of my supervisor and refused to communicate with the manager. So, the supervisor had autonomous control of hiring firing for his team as well as how we worked. If the manager didn't like it or gave him s**t all he had to do was threaten
Load More Replies... Things that didn't actually happen or happened way different than how OP laid it out for $1000 Alex.
There are a lot of hating butt kissers on here trying to make her feel bad for standing up for herself. Your calling her all these names or she’s untrustworthy what about these employers that treat you like c**p, fire you around the holidays or worse they care about you less and here you stanning. They were hers she took em, get over it. She doesn’t need a mob of self righteous AH’s bashing her for something you’d do differently. I commend her, next time create stuff that will help you with executing your duties at home unpaid and send it to yourself at work, I commend you! Also talking about other jobs won’t hire her that company can be sued for divulging such information especially if they haven’t sued her and won first it’s their word against hers! So stop!
The tiktok has been deleted. She broke the law and then outed herself. Hopefully the lesson wasn't too expensive.
I love how everyone are going in on the OP without hardly anyone commenting on her sh^^ty company and how they did her. They used and abused and just so all you goody, goody types know. Taking IP from companies is a time honored revenge tract and unless to do with an invention or something of great value, is RARELY pursued by most companies. WHY? Because they must delineate what was taken and most have NO IDEA what was taken. She could give them bs back as the IP and they would never know. Without copies of what she took, they would have a very hard time proving what she left out. Telling a judge it was " a folder, this thick" will not work. They have to outline what is missing in detail and I'm betting they don't have a clue. I was an auditor and investigator in a highly regulated industry and the IP thst walked out the door including R&D info was staggering but there were very few recourse despite everyone signing both IP and NDAs.
One of the ugliest things companies do is use one employee to upgrade upper mgmt or handpicked Jr's. That is what they did to the OP. They refused to give her money or title , used her material to elevate others and thought her job was to just suck it up and keep playing low key theft games. Her post will not age well. Neither will the knowledge of what they did to her. She should have just hinted at what she did and when they called her up be like:" I have nooooo idea where those documents might be, but you hired boy/girl wonder to do my job so I'm guessing they can whip up new docs just like mine on their lunch hour" About 37 years ago I worked for a company who did similar to me. I trained a girl, we both got the same promotion and pay, even though I continued to "assist her" for over a year, plus we were given the same job title. They made me oversee her work, review/correct it too. The kicker? They did it because of her race and the optics of me over her. She was White.
I'm a freelance bookkeeper. One of my "hire me" tenants is that I will write an idiot proof manual for my job (based on whichever accounting program you use). So basically, If I drop dead, people can still get paid. Yeah. The place went to S**T after I quit - even WITH the manual.
God I would hate to have this person as a coworker. Regardless of what happens to her doing this was trashy/common whatever you want to call it. The world is going to s**t.
Ironically the reason I read this article at all was the fact that I am also unappreciated at work, so the title caught my eye and I can truly understand why you did what you did. Most owners of a company, (other then the ones where the owners get their own hands dirty), give themselves more credit then they deserve for the success of a company. Employees make the money, we are the reason for it's success. Our country has been brainwashed into thinking the owners feed us...we are the ones feeding everyone, with our brains, countless hours and good ideas and for us blue collar workers...we sacrifice our bodies for people to have water, electricity, heat...ect. It is time we all start sticking up for ourselves and our coworkers ( I already had my discussion with my owner). As for the taking documents, it is the same thing as Trump, it is still stealing, so give the documents back asap
Can't believe everyone thinks that everything you create on work time belongs to the company.. hey I was pregnant while at work, made a baby during that time, does it belong to the company? I drew a diagram to explain something, I wrote down instructions to fix something, took a photo, on my own device, does this all belong to the company and nothing belongs to me? No, thats not entirely how that works. And the fact that she wasn't being payed to train or create training documents, nor was she given the job position to do so, I'm pretty sure she's well within her rights to take those docs home. They were about to use them to replace her! The documents were clearly more valuable to them than her as an employee even though she created them. Sounds like she will be fine and they are SOL.
A few things about this jumped out to me-- 1) Does the poster ever hope to be hired elsewhere at any point in the future of civilization? 2) We've ALL felt under appreciated at work, yet most of us don't feel entitled to take up the valuable time of internet strangers bemoaning this unfortunate aspect of the human condition. 3) Most people who've ever worked someplace were asked/required to create SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures)/Process Docs/Training Materials for the employer... It's a part of 21st century adult life, almost as fundamental as eating. This whole thing reeks of millennial entitlement and naivety. I'd be surprised if the transgression warrants the cost of a lawsuit but in any case yeah cross fingers whenever meeting future hiring managers.
She's an idiot, bottom line. If she was instructed to create the training, even though it wasn't within her job description, it would definitely be something they commissioned her to do. Therefore, still their property.
Opinions opinions opinions , if you haven’t taken any documents from you company on your way out the door and received any backlash . Shut up !
First you have to have something worth sueing for, and seeing how the company has predatory practices for taking advantage of employees just trying to get a foot in the door and prosper, they will just have some other person trying to get ahead do them. Lawyers are expensive and if they are as money hungry as it seems. They won't spend a dime they can't get back. Good for her! Get up! Stand up and give it back! Well done!
This article started by using the they pronoun for Her but she clearly referers to herself as a me and I…. This is a bit nutty … Ps. When you work at a company and not for (subcontracted ) a company… then you are creating docs for the company… you stole the documents.. best to return them
"Waaaah! Bleeeeat! Meeeeeeee!". What an insufferable, nonsensical individual. Truly.
Lol. People are so far up a company's hole that they lose their brain along the way. They keep speaking about "technically" this & that - aye, stfu 😒 🙄. It doesn't take rocket science to know that the actuality is, the individual person who created the thing is the creator of the thing. Yall want to b***h about ethics but steer all around the lack of ethics exists in how an employer legally has the rights to legally steal the creations of their employees. That's what it is. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical. Just because it's ethical doesn't mean it's moral. Just because it's moral doesn't mean it's legal. This is one of the most common cruces in human philosophy, law, and sociology. So again, yall are feeding into a system that doesn't work for the people - it literally robs them repeatedly. It robs us repeatedly. Say what you want to protect the interests of your business, but that s**t ain't protecting you unless you're the owner 💯
I want to what was the job title. And she aware of getting sued she just didn't care for 2 reason. One she knew what she did wasnt important enough for lawsuit. Just because anybody can sue doesn't mean they do it's not easy especially for small what sound like company she was working during start up. The fact that she left the companies name out gave them reason not to sue her. Because then they name themselves out for her post. She wouldn't even face defamation charges they do it themselves since this went viral everyone we would know "___" company underpaid her than fired her when ask for recognition. Companies are more like sue for defamation then spend hrs and thousands over couple training papers they can remake.plus if she lives outside the us they're not gunho about lawsuits.
I worked for a startup and when the fired me and everyone else because they sold the company with out telling us I deleted every single form, training books, anything everything for my department. Lmao screw all of them.
I guess if I work for Ford, and one day decide they don't appreciate me, I can quit and take all the F-150s I made while I was there. Lol
Oh boy this is why things never change. Seeing all these scary people commenting is why businesses treat employees like c**p.smh I created an automatic bank reconciliation in excel years ago at a job. Initially it took over 4 hours to reconcile because they were doing it manually. My excel sheet took 20 minutes to complete with my spreadsheet. I was in the same boat as OP underpaid and not appreciated. My boss did the same thing texting me. I told him to F off and don't contact me again. No lawsuit goofies. Why? Because they are not going to spend a whole bunch of money on legal unless it's stops the business in a major form
She may luckily be right ,but the presumption of legality is legality untill proven otherwise...it's still so easy to say she made the video detailing the texts as a joke but planed on returning them if they saw her value and that is denial of crime,it's sorta a smarter hood ,the office.every company does have a policy thought and you should know yours,it's like working at quick trip and having a no chase policy and someone at qwik e mart being like ,huh?I state both facts in support of people owning there work unless there paid piece by piece,or it was routine commonplace tasks ,she may have a case that it's not the payroll or the companies phone log it's training papers she made so she wouldn't have to train people as time intensively,and the staff should give her her title or do it the way that's in there handbook,she should get a lawyer contrary to her beliefs of fair play should they file criminal charges,and explore the loophole that if it's not on there manual it's hers
I wonder why other people were taking the credit by getting paid more and getting titles not deserved for her work? This is too common in America especially when it comes to women employees and people of color.
She made these documents with her own computer, on her own time, without anything in her contract stating that was part of her job duties. The documents existed outside of the scope of her job. As the lawyer Bored Panda consulted said since those documents were not a part of her job duties and not in the contract, they belong to her, not the company.
If you created something to make your job easier, not necessarily to advance the company because the company didn't asked you to create it. It's yours. If they saw that what you created benefited them long-term, then they should of given you a raise and then being they actually bought it from you then it could be theirs. When you got the job did they ask you to create it? Did they pay you? Did they even know you had the skills to do something like that? Next patten it before it's too late.
Read the WHOLE post. The IP that she took was OUTside the scope of her work. Therefore, she owns it and the company has no leg to stand on.
She used company time to create materials for her own private use. She owes the company either the documents , or her paid wages.
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