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The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn
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The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

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LinkedIn is a place of contrast. It’s both super professional where experts network and promote themselves, as well as one of the biggest dumps of weird opinions about the job industry (not to mention exaggerated self-aggrandizing stories!) that you’ll find nearly anywhere on the net. The positive side is that these hot takes can ignite fiery discussions about pretty important topics.

One CEO did just that by ranting against working from home. In his mind, employees who spend more time with their loved ones or take better care of their physical and mental health are considered to be ‘wrong behaviors.’ Obviously, equating flexibility and freedom with entitlement sounds a bit silly. But it’s also what many bosses and managers think about WFH in secret while desperately trying to reassert their authority and get their workers back in the office.

Scroll down to read the CEO’s full LinkedIn post once it spread outside the site and to see how the internet reacted once it went viral. When you’re done, we’d love to hear your opinions about both the rant and working from home, dear Pandas. What do you personally think are the biggest pros and cons? Why do you think so many managers are against giving their employees more freedom and flexibility? Let us know what you think.

We got in touch with workplace expert Lynn Taylor to have a chat about working from home, why some executives despise the idea (whether it’s a resistance to change or their beliefs about efficiency), and both the pros and cons of WFH culture. “The fear of ‘out of sight, out of mind’ looms large” in some managers’ minds, she told us, adding that the shift to working from home is not going away, and that hybrid work environments might act as the perfect compromise.

“For some companies, industries, and positions, employees do need to be on site. But for those where it won’t affect their work product, managers must be open-minded about offering the flexibility and freedom of working from home. That is if they want to attract and retain the most qualified people,” Lynn, the author of ‘Tame Your Terrible Office Tyrant’ and the head of the fashion brand ‘Behind the Buckle,’ told Bored Panda.

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We also reached out to redditor u/iwillforgetthissmh who was one of the people who saw the original LinkedIn post and helped make it viral. You’ll find both of Bored Panda’s exclusive interviews with Lynn and u/iwillforgetthissmh below.

Working from home has flustered quite a few bosses who think that better working conditions for employees are worse than the devil

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

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One rant about WFH culture went viral on LinkedIn and elsewhere. Some of the ideas the executive shared sound absolutely ludicrous

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

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The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

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The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

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According to author and workplace expert Lynn, there isn’t one single reason why some bosses and managers aren’t head-over-heels in support of their employees working from home. “One of the reasons some managers are opposed to work from home policies, for example, is they feel there is a lack of productivity when you can’t meet face-to-face. They believe that project teams are less effective when working offsite,” Lynn explained how management tends to think.

“Managers may feel their own results and successes are negatively impacted because they can’t interface personally with their staff; brainstorm as easily, or react to unexpected issues on the spot. They may also feel they can’t train their employees properly when they’re offsite,” she told Bored Panda. “For others, it’s simply resistance to change. If they’re much more traditional in their management approach, they may want to exert maximum control over their staff and be assured everyone is committed. The fear of ‘out of sight, out of mind’ looms large.”

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Lynn pointed out that she talks about overbearing managers who are more concerned with style than substance in her book, ‘Tame Your Terrible Office Tyrant: How to Manage Childish Boss Behavior and Thrive in Your Job.’

Working from home has a wide range of upsides and downsides. Here are some of the main ones

The workplace expert was kind enough to share her insights about the pros and cons of WFH culture. Here are some of the main benefits that she sees: “Employees have had a taste of remote work and for many, it’s hard to go back to a traditional work environment. This has been underscored by the Great Resignation. Employees have seen productivity benefits; better focus; no commute time; and less on-site politics and gossip.”

She continued: “That’s not to mention the fact that they can better attend to family and personal matters. This greater work-life balance and flexibility is a major stress reducer—and for many, is even worth a pay cut, if not a job change.”

However, that’s not to say that working from home is perfect. It still has its own downsides. Here are some that Lynn has noticed: “Some managers do need their employees on-site, especially those where required face to face interaction with customers or other employees is necessary. In addition, when everything is left to offsite work, there is a loss of spontaneity and the human bond that occurs when you’re physically visible. And a larger human need is to build something impactful together, as a team or ‘community,” she said.

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According to Lynn, when this is eliminated, it can create isolation and even depression. “In my Psychology Today blog, I often address how employees can make the transition back to the office easier, regardless of the new work structure,” she shared.

“Further, more junior employees don’t get the benefit of observing mentors and managers in action, or solving spur-of-the-moment problems real-time. There is much more to advancing in your career than interfacing with people on a screen. Social skills, diplomacy and other lifelong emotional intelligence abilities are likely being adversely affected for those in the early stages of their career,” Lynn told Bored Panda.

In the workplace expert’s opinion, everyone needs to try and look at the big picture. “All that said, this new work paradigm has revealed just how much can be accomplished digitally, much to the surprise of those at every level. It also demonstrates that much of what corporate America thought was a necessity, is no longer. Many companies are happy to reduce their real estate expenses, as well,” she said.

“The remote work revolution is putting productivity under a microscope. A digital relationship removes virtually all personal aspects good or bad. It removes downtime from a traditional work environment, such as water cooler chit-chat. But some could argue it also removes camaraderie.”

The hybrid workplace could be the perfect compromise, giving employees and management the best of both worlds. That way, there would be some personal interaction throughout the week, but employees can also focus more effectively in their controlled home environments, as well.

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Maintaining good communication between management and the employees is essential

“Whether it’s a hybrid environment or working from home, employees will need to make an extra effort to communicate often with their managers—and regularly keep them apprised of project status. This is not just good business, it protects job security and means better results.” She added that above everything, employees can’t go wrong if they do superb work.

“The downsides of remote work can be mitigated with a hybrid work environment. This allows the best of both worlds. And it appears more advantageous than, say, a four-day workweek, which can result in people working later hours or overtime, regardless. If they end up working on a fifth day to keep pace, it defeats the purpose, such as when clients or vendors need to reach them on that extra day,” the expert pointed out that hybrid systems might hold certain advantages over potential alternatives like shorter workweeks.

However, this doesn’t mean that the WFH trend is going to consistently grow from here on out. Certain events might derail the advancement of WFH culture. “When the pendulum swings back to the employer, such as when employment skyrockets in the future and landing a job is more difficult, the situation may change. Employees may feel compelled to have greater face time in the office to preserve their coveted jobs,” Lynn warned about the future.

“Regardless of the state of the economy, the work from home landscape is creating more project workers and consultants. Because of the positive experience working from home, many have now shifted to independent work, especially when employers have insisted they return full-time. Employers may lose valued talent to this alternate option by not offering the flexibility of remote work,” she said.

The workplace expert noted that there are benefits when it comes to increasing productivity with employees working from home. However, this doesn’t mean that employees have a blank cheque to do whatever they want. “Of course, any employee that abuses the privilege of working offsite won’t remain long-term at any company,” she pointed out that it’s important to perform well if you want to have a good career.

A hybrid work model seems like the most attractive option to keep everyone happy

Like many of us, redditor u/iwillforgetthissmh, who helped spread the news about the LinkedIn post, initially thought that the executive’s rant was a joke or satire. “Looking at it, it’s a list of benefits workers get from WFH—so how is this bad? It took me reading the comments to realize the poster seriously considered WFH a threat which is mental!” the redditor shared their thoughts with Bored Panda.

They believe that a lot of the resistance bosses and managers feel towards WFH culture is “to do with a God complex and desire to control others using their position in leadership as an excuse.” The desire for control, in other words, lies at the core of the drive to bring everyone back to the office.

“If they’re struggling to control other aspects of their life, they use their position to exercise that control in their professional lives. It’s all down to micromanaging and wanting to follow every move of your subordinates. Not out of care for them or their benefit, but in order to feel superior and have full control.”

Redditor u/iwillforgetthissmh mainly sees the pros of working from home and they’re a huge fan of this style of work. “I loved WFH as it saves time on commute and I can afford to sleep in. I also concentrate better as in the office we always chat or go out for coffee/lunch which takes out a lot of time and can break my concentration,” they opened up to us. On the flip side, working from home means that there isn’t as clear a boundary between work life and private life.

“I would be happy with a hybrid approach, but personally will not go back to the office full-time,” they explained what conditions work best for them.
“I think for bosses to realize WFH provides a lot of freedom and flexibility will depend on their own flexibility when it comes to new ideas. I doubt someone like the author of the [LinkedIn] post would ever see the benefit of treating your employees like people and not slaves,” they said.

“For others who are not focused on micromanagement, looking at the overall well-being of their staff as well as their performance, should be a good indicator that this approach is working and should continue being an option for those who do prefer WFH.”

Here’s how some people reacted to the LinkedIn rant. Some of the things these redditors said were practically dripping with sarcasm

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The Internet Is Ridiculing This Executive’s Rant Against People Working From Home On LinkedIn

The executive clearly believes that people’s entire lives should revolve around their jobs. They should prioritize their jobs above everything; personal needs should be secondary to showing up at the office, efficiency and job satisfaction be damned!

After more than two years of the Covid-19 pandemic, it’s frankly exhausting to listen to managers drone on and on about the supposed benefits of office life. The fact is that having tried both approaches, people know what works best for them. Some folks can’t exist without the hustle and bustle atmosphere of a crowded open-plan office. Good for them. Meanwhile, others prioritize cutting down their commute time to zero so that they can exercise, sleep better, and spend more time with their kids. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting that.

At the end of the day, the results speak for themselves. If someone gets all their work done on time, does their job well, and manages to stay invested in the future of the company, why drag them to the office? Meanwhile, if an employee is demotivated and lagging behind, it might not be because they’re not at the office: they might be stuck in a dead-end position and are rethinking their career choices. That or the company fails to inspire them to go the extra mile. Let’s be frank—free coffee, watercooler gossip, and meetings won’t solve deep-seated issues in the corporation’s culture and approach.

Working from the office relates very closely to the 9-5 work model. Recently, Bored Panda spoke about this with financial expert Sam Dogen, the author of ‘Buy This, Not That’ and the founder of ‘Financial Samurai.’ He stressed that when it comes to jobs related to tech and the creator economy, there’s a need for more flexibility to avoid wasting everyone’s time.

“The 9-5 work model still has a place for necessity businesses in the services space. We’re talking physical therapy, medicine, restaurants, flooring, and so forth. Customers need reliable businesses with reliable hours. However, for the technology and creator economy, the 9-5 work model is outdated. Having a regimented 9-5 schedule creates a lot of wasted time,” he told us during an interview previously.

“Let’s be honest. Most people who go to work on a set schedule spend a good amount of hours surfing the net, chatting with colleagues, and taking lots of breaks. Instead, work hours should be more flexible to suit the modern-day needs of ‘knowledge’ workers today,” Sam said.

“Besides steady raises and promotions, an employee can get motivated if they remember their company’s mission. For example, if you are working at a company whose mission is to alleviate child poverty, then you should be pumped to work every day!” he stressed that it’s important to see deep purpose in your job if you want to feel motivated and energized.

“But if your company’s mission is to keep users addicted to getting likes on social media, then you’ve got to work on building good relationships with your colleagues and managers. At the end of the day, people join people, not firms. Therefore, the stronger your relationships with your colleagues, the more you will enjoy work. And if that means having a ping pong tournament every Wednesday, so be it!” he said that employees shouldn’t ignore the importance of good relations with fellow coworkers.

He also shared some thoughts about managing managers, especially those who expect you to work overtime all the time. “A harmonious work experience is all about setting and meeting appropriate expectations. Of course, you should try and be proactive and do more of what’s asked of you. However, after several months of going above and beyond, you must bring up your good work and your expectations of a raise and a promotion during your semi-annual review,” the expert said that hard work and good results ought to be rewarded.

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CLG
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is the work still getting done? Is the company still profitable and meeting its goals? Then stfu.

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Iampenny
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's wrong with taking a midday nap? If it's during your lunch break, it's no one's business and can also be a positive thing, making you more active and alert for the rest of the day. Not seeing why not wanting to travel to work is a bad thing, especially for people who rely on cars to get there, also not having to rely on public transportation reduces the spread of germs an viruses (and I don't just mean Covid) We have seen a huge decrease of people calling in sick in the past 2 years and productivity has never been better The rest of what he wrote is BS.

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Tyson James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's nothing wrong with it. It's called a siesta, and its LITERALLY REQUIRED in some areas of the world.

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Novel Idesa
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My favorite thing to come out of The Great Resignation is employers just blatantly outting themselves as monsters. Not even bothering to hide it anymore. Just outright stating "I don't view my employees as human beings, so why should I be expected to treat them like human beings?"

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Tyson James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hahahaha. I laughed at that really hard. That's exactly what they are doing. I enjoy it as well.

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Amanda Black
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went back to the office this week after working from home. As I was sitting in traffic going 2 miles per hour in uncomfortable clothes, I was thinking about all the work I could be doing. We had a 99.2 on time rate for our work from WFH. Guess 2022 won't be as good because we have to waste time so our middle manager can be happy.

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madeleine f
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So basically this twat is against happier people who probably work better, cleaner environment due to less traffic, boosted local economy, cheaper offices for companies due to need of less space. The list is endless.

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Kitty Jordan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not to mention the potential for reducing gas emissions and gas usage by *a lot* if we had more WFH. But remember, kids, it's more important to keep up a meaningless appearance at the office than saving the environment!

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Louis Minson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just thinking back to those days, the dreadful hazardous commute, the lack of privacy, the toxic office politics, the inability to shut myself away to get on with my work, the way you had less access to people, the fact that I pay for a house that I spent so little time in. Our team performs better, is happier, the business is acheiving it's goals and we are healthier and absent from work less. COVID gave us a lot to be grateful for, and no would never accept a position that wasn't working on this basis.

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Douglas Mock
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He said, "Control Mentality" - he needs a severe comeuppance to 'balance' that plantation mentality of his.

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Pamela Blue
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As long as the work is done on time, there should be no issues. However, there are management types who feel they can't manage someone they can't bully face to face. These are the ones who can't handle the WFH culture. They can't "pick on" people for trivia when they aren't there to watch them. It's time for a whole NEW culture to arise. Bully managers, it's time to quit and find another job, because I do believe that middle-managers are going to go the way of the do-do.

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Dellon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never understand why those who are unable to find fulfillment in other aspects of their lives feel the need to enforce their sad little lifestyles on others. The company I'm currently working for told us just yesterday (I mean at least for now) that they have no plans to make returning to the office mandatory as work is getting done and still felt the need to go off his given script about how it would be nice if we were to find an excuse to for a day 🙄

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digitalin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This exact list all sound like good things, and crappy things for an employer to want to take away. A weekend away? More time with friends and family? Decreasing a commute?

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Dena Sigman
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Baby boomer here.....time for all of our outdated, let's go back to the good old days, everything was better when mentality to fade away. I have never understood why people seem to think you're only better as a group. I have never enjoyed group work. What I always saw was one person doing the majority of the work, others doing just enough and always, always one or two slackers. Any ideas I might have had were always diluted or shut down all together while the boss suck ups or wanna be managers rammed their stuff through. Working by myself means I can look at my agenda for the day, decide what is the most important thing to be done and multi task at my speed. No interruptions, no being caught in the break room or bathroom by the gossipers or the "let me show you these pics or this video" scrollers. But the best thing of all....no meetings that really could have been emails!!

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Jeff Bryant
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My thought on this is that some managers need people to be in the office so that they have people they can manage. In other words, if workers at home can manage themselves then these middle managers become obsolete. Also, it may be that some managers simply do not trust their employees, assuming that people will only do what you inspect, not what you expect.

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Alina Starshine
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Before the pandemic I worked 1-2 days home a week. Now my dept is staying remote. I still work 8-4 with a 30 min lunch, I'm never late to work or getting off due to traffic or public transportation. I get better interaction/response from my supervisor asking questions on teams than I had walking to their desk to see if she was available. I've been more productive as well not having people stop and chat to friends at the copier behind where my desk was. Do I see my friends and family more? No, I'm still working 40 hrs a week. Maybe I get an extra 30 min with my cat before work, but still have the same time responsibilities I did before. Lunch is easier as well where I can cook healthier meals rather than eat out or pack something cold.

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Shawn Persels
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For many "managers" / "bosses" some, or a lot of there power comes from their physical presence. They dominate with their body language and physical behaviors. They lose their power when employees are remote and this is threatening to them.

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Tyson James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can see within her writing that the only real reason why people like this want their workers back is because they feel a loss of control. It's seething through their messages whether they know it or not. Sad and pathetic. They're ALL like this for this exact reason.

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Scott Burd
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad to see that baby boomer mentality passing away. We are reaching the point where we can have fresh new ideas and utilize the technology that we have. Time to move forward and leave archaic ideas in the past.

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Bayou Billy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just hated the greed is good motto of the 80s. It was so disheartening to grow up with every adult and teen spouting me, me, me if you don't have money you're nothing. Not quite past it yet. But it's nowhere near as bad as it was thankfully.

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Tamsin Far
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Somehow I think this is exactly what lords would have posted after the plague in medieval europe if they had had linkedIn then... WHAT? They think they are human and can choose their jobs and masters? How dare they! the next generation might even think this is their right...

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2 years ago

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BWC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So... People are afraid of hard work and "graft?" Does this idiot even understand the meaning of that word? ie: "the acquisition of money, gain, or advantage by dishonest, unfair, or illegal means, especially through the abuse of one's position or influence in politics, business, etc." No thanks. I'll continue to get my work done peacefully at home without all of that toxic office a$$ kissing upward mobility bull$#!+

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Zeta Thompson
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, let me get this straight. At number 1 you list people don't want to travel to work. That is correct especially since I would need to leave at 5 am to make it to the city by 8 provided there are no accidents or construction on the way. If I could move to the city, the apartment I would have to rent, would cost more than the mortgage of my house. So yeah, I want to work from home. I love my house and hate office politics. Those two things are the reasons WFH makes more sense. I am betting that you just prefer to make everyone as miserable as you are or you want to get the write-off on the building you had prior to the pandemic.

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Chich
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If they are fulfilling the tasks given them I wouldn't care if they danced in a tu-tu singing old MacDonald all day at home.

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Kaliko Gardner
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm stuck on the fact that this guy doesn't understand the definition of graft and wants dishonest and illegal acquisition in the workplace.

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CCLoos
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right?! I am baffled by this. For the terrible writing alone, this dude shouldn't be moaning about anything.

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William Stevenson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Graft means fraud doesn't it? I mean aside from the medical and agricultural term meanings. Is he worried workers aren't learning fraud as they should?

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Linda Lee
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd love to be able to afford a comparable house twenty minutes from work. Pay me enough money to live in one of those million dollar houses and I'll think about coming into the office.

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Heather Wells
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WFH is the most disability friendly policy a company can have. There are so many people who want to work but are physically barred to a lot of jobs due to disability. Declaring that WFH is just for slackers and those trying to get away with not working hard is an ablest mindset that is harmful for everyone.

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another thing too: Some kids and adults alike have come to realize they do Better ONLINE than in person to begin with. I did a hybrid math course and it helped prepare me for takin my 1st Online course and my grades were far better in the creative courses and online classes than they were for in person courses. I took College Algebra twice and got a D both times. Then I took probability and statistics where I could have applied myself more but didn't and was happy with a C grade. Honestly, there are some parents out there who are a little too hard on their kids sometimes forgetting they're still a kid to begin with. Whether they play sports or not, don't be so hard on them when they get a C grade because a C is Average. I do understand every parent is different but I don't understand why some parents think a C is a "bad" grade. I had 1 yr in college that I consistently got C's and D's and occasionally high school too. I know i have my HS transcript somewhere where my grades weren't the

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the best then, either. And I grew up taking resource classes my whole life which helped to an extent, but even then a few of my classes weren't the best. It solely depends on how people learn where they'll excel far more in a Good Mental Health state rather than a Bad one. Yes we all have moods which is 100% Normal but do employers really want to see their employees angry moods (for some) come to surface at their office? Ofc no one wants that but it does happen when there's 0 work life balance.

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Summer Dawn
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spoken like a true CEO... Want to slave everyone else while they sit back and reap the benefits. United States creates this entitlement. The people who do the most work, makes the least money. These bigwigs forget that it's the "little people" who keep their companies running. Without those little people, they wouldn't have a business. This is the reason people are leaving these jobs and choosing their well being and families instead. Because these people care nothing about their employees. People are waking up and realizing this trap that this country has put you in. Work the majority of your life, most of that in debt, and the little while you have after working for these companies for 30 40 years... you spend a few in old age, your kids are grown, and you've missed out on "your" life while they've enjoyed theirs! It's selfish and inhumane! COVID is dreadful, but good things came from it, one of them is revealing the cruelty that many people experience from these employers.

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Pat Bond
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Swings and roundabouts. I love the option to work from home and use it all the time. However I'll be going back to the office more to take the strain of the new cost of living crisis in the UK. Gas & Electric rose 54% on 1st April and will rise another 54% in October, along with record prices at the pumps. It will still be far cheaper to go back to the office than have to heat my house all day in the winter.

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Emmydearest
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But you'd still have to heat the house even if you work in an office. Or do you just come back to a freezing apartment after work? Yes, you'll spend more for electricity but that will be compensated with you spending less in gas for the commute. Probably spending less for "nice" working clothes and shoes. Definitely gaining more time for yourself, skipping the commute time. And, as everyone knows, Time is money. Less stress: you need to go to the loo, well, you're in the privacy of your own home. You need to take a power nap; sure can do, you'll work 15 minutes more in the evening. You can have the plumber coming over to fix the sink and you don't have to skip work or ask someone to check the house while they're working; you can pick up packages by yourself; you can cook your own food, healthier and less expensive than eating out for every lunch break... I mean, the pros are so many...

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Luther von Wolfen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Graft? In a horticultural sense or as in "graft and corruption"? What is this jackass talking about?

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Björn Krämer
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am from Germany, working for an international (but German) company with a strong union while my girlfriend works for an American company. And we talked about this topic many times... It's not that my job can't be busy, but there are clear limits. And if you are sick and come to work or don't use your holidays for example my boss will actually get angry. On the other side my girlfriend is asked, after already working 16 hours, to fix another problem and work more. That was a not so common situation, but nonetheless often she gets a call from the States to build up pressure and to do spontaneously some stuff, because apparently its super urgent. This whole American work culture is nuts and I am happy from the other side of the pond that after the pandemic people now seem to demand certain things for their jobs which often are the basics here for a long time already.

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Mike Loux
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have been way more productive working from home than I ever was at an office. Especially when my desk at the office was situated next to an extrovert who wanted to talk a hell of a lot more than they wanted to work. I went back to the office for one day about a year ago, and it was the least productive day of my 30-year career.

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Anthony Freeman
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hated waking up so early that it was still dark outside. I hated the morning rush hour commute - going nowhere slowly while my heart reached from anxiety and caffeine. I absolutely hated my petty pissant wannabe dictator teamlead/overseer and dreamed of murdering him in the most torturous, gruesome and painful way possible each day. I sat at a desk banging out code a trying to look busy while guys in suits peered over my shoulder because I didn't look busy enough. Then came the evening rush hour commute home to the family I only interacted with somewhat during the weekend or that thing that was ridiculously known as vacation. Go back to the office?!! You can kiss my sphincter and dine on whatever comes out for that dumbass idea.

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JayWantsACat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What taht a*****e means by entitlement is that he's sczred that workers are finally realizing their self-worth, a healthy work/life balance, and being able to do their jobs from home rather than wasting hours commuting and working long hours in the office. Entitlement is the new "nobody wants to work noawadays. And the more that these assholes show their true colors the better off we'll be in knowing not to work for that company

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Drea Benoit
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For our own sanity, that’s why. For the environment, and for financial reasons, and for mental health reasons. They know why, they just want to pretend they can’t comprehend, and they don’t want employees actually enjoying their work.

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Jake Wheeler
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But should the adjustments only be where you do the working? For instance, I aee no reason for an employer to offer 5 paid sick days a year when you're always at home anyway. Would you super evloved home workers be willing to give back say, 3 paid sick days a year? You can work with a cold if you're not risking giving anyone else a cold. And Worker's Comp- if you're not getting hurt at work anymore you can't demand work pay for it anymore.

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Jennifer Potter
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel you are not thinking your reasoning through all the way. If someone needs 5 sick days off, it is to, at the least, remove the normal workload as an expectation for that block of time, and allow healing to happen. Usually, when one is sick enough for a sick day, its because they are observing that their symptoms are, (or potentially will be), intense enough that they either will not be able to reach the required goals of even a slow and complicated average day of tasks, or they will be feeling so miserable that they cannot keep up their required level of professionality (constant vomiting while attempting to sell products to new clients while ones' throat is raw, voice is scratchy, and knees are too weak to stand up on from loosing so much bodily moisture, is a nice clear example of that).

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Frederick Harmon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At our facility people WFH has failed miserably. We have lost weeks due to not having our materials arriving on time and running out out of work. People need to come in from time to time to actively see whats going on but instead called in and had those who were physically on site give counts that were incorrect. That's just one of a couple dozen fails frome WFH in our industry. We've had to lay people off due to lack of work due to these clerical errors and many have not returned or retired. I don't blame them either. We had oeople that's been there for 30- 40 plus years to now a bunch of Temps.

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Julie Cornell-MommaWolf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am an On The Job training coach. We have been doing this from home. We have been using WEBX. It has been “working” but barely. Agent are supposed to have cameras on where we can see their faces not just the top of their heads. They are supposed to have the lights on, we need to see their faces. We train for a bank. So security is of the utmost importance. They have had background checks blah blah blah. Agents have been caught sleeping, playing on their phones other things expressly not supposed to be done. Starting next month we go back on site. I would LOVE to continue working from home. My job requires flexibility in hours. Some classes start at 6 to 2:30, 10 to 6:30 and 12:00 to 9:30 so working from home is PERFECT for that, but I know why it needs to be onsite. It’s been a great 2 years and yes I have been spoiled but I like my job a lot so. . . But yes for most people who have been working from home and it has been successful why change it?

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Gabriel Gawrada
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tried to read this but was puzzled by the comment about remote work replacing hard work and graft, maybe meant to use a different word? I've never seen hard work and graft used together. The end results will provide the data required to compare productivity of remote vs. on site work. I never had to commute in a major city like LA or SF or NY. On the other hand it never felt like a major inconvenience to drive the 15 minutes it took. Some of the comments reflect pathological anger. Is the logical response to a differing opinion to threaten to burn their s**t down and call them a pig? Scary people.

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That employer seems like they've never once taken time for themselves to purely focus on themselves. It seems like all that's on their mind is work, work, work without fun or play but truth: That's NOT how life works esp with WFH jobs. It really depends on the job itself. For ex: Most construction workers have to be On Site for their jobs unless they're independent contractors but even then they still have to be On site. Most office jobs to my knowledge usually have some type of WFH option but refuse it. Also WFH jobs are NOT abt self entitlement or laziness because here's reality: For example, a single parent Raising 3 kids by Themselves and when they're at work in the office on site, they have to Pay a Babysitter almost 24/7 b/c that same parent Works Full time to Provide for their family. Honestly there is absolutely nothing wrong with a babysitter at all esp when help is needed the most but when the parent works all the time, what time does that parent actually have to spend with

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

their children except for the weekends on their days off from work? Truth: They don't. And it's about Work-Life Balance but do Employers actually Follow thru with that? Most don't and for those that do are very Rare to come by. Every single person in this world has a LIFE Outside of work and our Personal business is NOT Employers' business (unless it gets to the extent of drugs which is bad for everyone) but that's different. Another example: Students who go to school FULL Time and Work Full time. They have no choice but to work full time in order to pay for school and then when they finally get a day or 2 off from work, All they want to do is Relax AND Sleep. But then what happens? These same exact ppl get called in and usually say "yes" b/c they don't want to let their team down. But there's nothing wrong with saying "no" esp when it's for their own benefit and mental health. In most states it is in fact illegal to make ur employees work for 2-3 weeks straight with 0 days off from

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Work from home is great for the handicapped or a single or stay at home mom/ care giver. However it is nit as productive. Everyone else should get back to work! This country is getting so weak. This CEO is 100% right.

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Alina Starshine
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find working from home much more productive. Never late due to traffic, takes less time to get lunch ready, not interrupted by random people talking to some one else near your desk, or sounds of say a paper shredder. I get more work done, and higher quality with less interruptions. I had been 1-2 days at home before the pandemic and my team is staying full remote as our productivity has increased as a team the last two years.

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CLG
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is the work still getting done? Is the company still profitable and meeting its goals? Then stfu.

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Iampenny
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's wrong with taking a midday nap? If it's during your lunch break, it's no one's business and can also be a positive thing, making you more active and alert for the rest of the day. Not seeing why not wanting to travel to work is a bad thing, especially for people who rely on cars to get there, also not having to rely on public transportation reduces the spread of germs an viruses (and I don't just mean Covid) We have seen a huge decrease of people calling in sick in the past 2 years and productivity has never been better The rest of what he wrote is BS.

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Tyson James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's nothing wrong with it. It's called a siesta, and its LITERALLY REQUIRED in some areas of the world.

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Novel Idesa
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My favorite thing to come out of The Great Resignation is employers just blatantly outting themselves as monsters. Not even bothering to hide it anymore. Just outright stating "I don't view my employees as human beings, so why should I be expected to treat them like human beings?"

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Tyson James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hahahaha. I laughed at that really hard. That's exactly what they are doing. I enjoy it as well.

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Amanda Black
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went back to the office this week after working from home. As I was sitting in traffic going 2 miles per hour in uncomfortable clothes, I was thinking about all the work I could be doing. We had a 99.2 on time rate for our work from WFH. Guess 2022 won't be as good because we have to waste time so our middle manager can be happy.

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madeleine f
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So basically this twat is against happier people who probably work better, cleaner environment due to less traffic, boosted local economy, cheaper offices for companies due to need of less space. The list is endless.

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Kitty Jordan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not to mention the potential for reducing gas emissions and gas usage by *a lot* if we had more WFH. But remember, kids, it's more important to keep up a meaningless appearance at the office than saving the environment!

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Louis Minson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just thinking back to those days, the dreadful hazardous commute, the lack of privacy, the toxic office politics, the inability to shut myself away to get on with my work, the way you had less access to people, the fact that I pay for a house that I spent so little time in. Our team performs better, is happier, the business is acheiving it's goals and we are healthier and absent from work less. COVID gave us a lot to be grateful for, and no would never accept a position that wasn't working on this basis.

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Douglas Mock
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He said, "Control Mentality" - he needs a severe comeuppance to 'balance' that plantation mentality of his.

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Pamela Blue
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As long as the work is done on time, there should be no issues. However, there are management types who feel they can't manage someone they can't bully face to face. These are the ones who can't handle the WFH culture. They can't "pick on" people for trivia when they aren't there to watch them. It's time for a whole NEW culture to arise. Bully managers, it's time to quit and find another job, because I do believe that middle-managers are going to go the way of the do-do.

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Dellon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never understand why those who are unable to find fulfillment in other aspects of their lives feel the need to enforce their sad little lifestyles on others. The company I'm currently working for told us just yesterday (I mean at least for now) that they have no plans to make returning to the office mandatory as work is getting done and still felt the need to go off his given script about how it would be nice if we were to find an excuse to for a day 🙄

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digitalin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This exact list all sound like good things, and crappy things for an employer to want to take away. A weekend away? More time with friends and family? Decreasing a commute?

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Dena Sigman
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Baby boomer here.....time for all of our outdated, let's go back to the good old days, everything was better when mentality to fade away. I have never understood why people seem to think you're only better as a group. I have never enjoyed group work. What I always saw was one person doing the majority of the work, others doing just enough and always, always one or two slackers. Any ideas I might have had were always diluted or shut down all together while the boss suck ups or wanna be managers rammed their stuff through. Working by myself means I can look at my agenda for the day, decide what is the most important thing to be done and multi task at my speed. No interruptions, no being caught in the break room or bathroom by the gossipers or the "let me show you these pics or this video" scrollers. But the best thing of all....no meetings that really could have been emails!!

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Jeff Bryant
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My thought on this is that some managers need people to be in the office so that they have people they can manage. In other words, if workers at home can manage themselves then these middle managers become obsolete. Also, it may be that some managers simply do not trust their employees, assuming that people will only do what you inspect, not what you expect.

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Alina Starshine
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Before the pandemic I worked 1-2 days home a week. Now my dept is staying remote. I still work 8-4 with a 30 min lunch, I'm never late to work or getting off due to traffic or public transportation. I get better interaction/response from my supervisor asking questions on teams than I had walking to their desk to see if she was available. I've been more productive as well not having people stop and chat to friends at the copier behind where my desk was. Do I see my friends and family more? No, I'm still working 40 hrs a week. Maybe I get an extra 30 min with my cat before work, but still have the same time responsibilities I did before. Lunch is easier as well where I can cook healthier meals rather than eat out or pack something cold.

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Shawn Persels
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For many "managers" / "bosses" some, or a lot of there power comes from their physical presence. They dominate with their body language and physical behaviors. They lose their power when employees are remote and this is threatening to them.

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Tyson James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can see within her writing that the only real reason why people like this want their workers back is because they feel a loss of control. It's seething through their messages whether they know it or not. Sad and pathetic. They're ALL like this for this exact reason.

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Scott Burd
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad to see that baby boomer mentality passing away. We are reaching the point where we can have fresh new ideas and utilize the technology that we have. Time to move forward and leave archaic ideas in the past.

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Bayou Billy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just hated the greed is good motto of the 80s. It was so disheartening to grow up with every adult and teen spouting me, me, me if you don't have money you're nothing. Not quite past it yet. But it's nowhere near as bad as it was thankfully.

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Tamsin Far
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Somehow I think this is exactly what lords would have posted after the plague in medieval europe if they had had linkedIn then... WHAT? They think they are human and can choose their jobs and masters? How dare they! the next generation might even think this is their right...

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BWC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So... People are afraid of hard work and "graft?" Does this idiot even understand the meaning of that word? ie: "the acquisition of money, gain, or advantage by dishonest, unfair, or illegal means, especially through the abuse of one's position or influence in politics, business, etc." No thanks. I'll continue to get my work done peacefully at home without all of that toxic office a$$ kissing upward mobility bull$#!+

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Zeta Thompson
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, let me get this straight. At number 1 you list people don't want to travel to work. That is correct especially since I would need to leave at 5 am to make it to the city by 8 provided there are no accidents or construction on the way. If I could move to the city, the apartment I would have to rent, would cost more than the mortgage of my house. So yeah, I want to work from home. I love my house and hate office politics. Those two things are the reasons WFH makes more sense. I am betting that you just prefer to make everyone as miserable as you are or you want to get the write-off on the building you had prior to the pandemic.

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Chich
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If they are fulfilling the tasks given them I wouldn't care if they danced in a tu-tu singing old MacDonald all day at home.

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Kaliko Gardner
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm stuck on the fact that this guy doesn't understand the definition of graft and wants dishonest and illegal acquisition in the workplace.

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CCLoos
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right?! I am baffled by this. For the terrible writing alone, this dude shouldn't be moaning about anything.

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William Stevenson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Graft means fraud doesn't it? I mean aside from the medical and agricultural term meanings. Is he worried workers aren't learning fraud as they should?

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Linda Lee
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd love to be able to afford a comparable house twenty minutes from work. Pay me enough money to live in one of those million dollar houses and I'll think about coming into the office.

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Heather Wells
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WFH is the most disability friendly policy a company can have. There are so many people who want to work but are physically barred to a lot of jobs due to disability. Declaring that WFH is just for slackers and those trying to get away with not working hard is an ablest mindset that is harmful for everyone.

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another thing too: Some kids and adults alike have come to realize they do Better ONLINE than in person to begin with. I did a hybrid math course and it helped prepare me for takin my 1st Online course and my grades were far better in the creative courses and online classes than they were for in person courses. I took College Algebra twice and got a D both times. Then I took probability and statistics where I could have applied myself more but didn't and was happy with a C grade. Honestly, there are some parents out there who are a little too hard on their kids sometimes forgetting they're still a kid to begin with. Whether they play sports or not, don't be so hard on them when they get a C grade because a C is Average. I do understand every parent is different but I don't understand why some parents think a C is a "bad" grade. I had 1 yr in college that I consistently got C's and D's and occasionally high school too. I know i have my HS transcript somewhere where my grades weren't the

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the best then, either. And I grew up taking resource classes my whole life which helped to an extent, but even then a few of my classes weren't the best. It solely depends on how people learn where they'll excel far more in a Good Mental Health state rather than a Bad one. Yes we all have moods which is 100% Normal but do employers really want to see their employees angry moods (for some) come to surface at their office? Ofc no one wants that but it does happen when there's 0 work life balance.

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Summer Dawn
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spoken like a true CEO... Want to slave everyone else while they sit back and reap the benefits. United States creates this entitlement. The people who do the most work, makes the least money. These bigwigs forget that it's the "little people" who keep their companies running. Without those little people, they wouldn't have a business. This is the reason people are leaving these jobs and choosing their well being and families instead. Because these people care nothing about their employees. People are waking up and realizing this trap that this country has put you in. Work the majority of your life, most of that in debt, and the little while you have after working for these companies for 30 40 years... you spend a few in old age, your kids are grown, and you've missed out on "your" life while they've enjoyed theirs! It's selfish and inhumane! COVID is dreadful, but good things came from it, one of them is revealing the cruelty that many people experience from these employers.

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Pat Bond
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Swings and roundabouts. I love the option to work from home and use it all the time. However I'll be going back to the office more to take the strain of the new cost of living crisis in the UK. Gas & Electric rose 54% on 1st April and will rise another 54% in October, along with record prices at the pumps. It will still be far cheaper to go back to the office than have to heat my house all day in the winter.

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Emmydearest
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But you'd still have to heat the house even if you work in an office. Or do you just come back to a freezing apartment after work? Yes, you'll spend more for electricity but that will be compensated with you spending less in gas for the commute. Probably spending less for "nice" working clothes and shoes. Definitely gaining more time for yourself, skipping the commute time. And, as everyone knows, Time is money. Less stress: you need to go to the loo, well, you're in the privacy of your own home. You need to take a power nap; sure can do, you'll work 15 minutes more in the evening. You can have the plumber coming over to fix the sink and you don't have to skip work or ask someone to check the house while they're working; you can pick up packages by yourself; you can cook your own food, healthier and less expensive than eating out for every lunch break... I mean, the pros are so many...

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Luther von Wolfen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Graft? In a horticultural sense or as in "graft and corruption"? What is this jackass talking about?

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Björn Krämer
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am from Germany, working for an international (but German) company with a strong union while my girlfriend works for an American company. And we talked about this topic many times... It's not that my job can't be busy, but there are clear limits. And if you are sick and come to work or don't use your holidays for example my boss will actually get angry. On the other side my girlfriend is asked, after already working 16 hours, to fix another problem and work more. That was a not so common situation, but nonetheless often she gets a call from the States to build up pressure and to do spontaneously some stuff, because apparently its super urgent. This whole American work culture is nuts and I am happy from the other side of the pond that after the pandemic people now seem to demand certain things for their jobs which often are the basics here for a long time already.

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Mike Loux
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have been way more productive working from home than I ever was at an office. Especially when my desk at the office was situated next to an extrovert who wanted to talk a hell of a lot more than they wanted to work. I went back to the office for one day about a year ago, and it was the least productive day of my 30-year career.

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Anthony Freeman
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hated waking up so early that it was still dark outside. I hated the morning rush hour commute - going nowhere slowly while my heart reached from anxiety and caffeine. I absolutely hated my petty pissant wannabe dictator teamlead/overseer and dreamed of murdering him in the most torturous, gruesome and painful way possible each day. I sat at a desk banging out code a trying to look busy while guys in suits peered over my shoulder because I didn't look busy enough. Then came the evening rush hour commute home to the family I only interacted with somewhat during the weekend or that thing that was ridiculously known as vacation. Go back to the office?!! You can kiss my sphincter and dine on whatever comes out for that dumbass idea.

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JayWantsACat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What taht a*****e means by entitlement is that he's sczred that workers are finally realizing their self-worth, a healthy work/life balance, and being able to do their jobs from home rather than wasting hours commuting and working long hours in the office. Entitlement is the new "nobody wants to work noawadays. And the more that these assholes show their true colors the better off we'll be in knowing not to work for that company

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Drea Benoit
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For our own sanity, that’s why. For the environment, and for financial reasons, and for mental health reasons. They know why, they just want to pretend they can’t comprehend, and they don’t want employees actually enjoying their work.

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Jake Wheeler
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But should the adjustments only be where you do the working? For instance, I aee no reason for an employer to offer 5 paid sick days a year when you're always at home anyway. Would you super evloved home workers be willing to give back say, 3 paid sick days a year? You can work with a cold if you're not risking giving anyone else a cold. And Worker's Comp- if you're not getting hurt at work anymore you can't demand work pay for it anymore.

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Jennifer Potter
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel you are not thinking your reasoning through all the way. If someone needs 5 sick days off, it is to, at the least, remove the normal workload as an expectation for that block of time, and allow healing to happen. Usually, when one is sick enough for a sick day, its because they are observing that their symptoms are, (or potentially will be), intense enough that they either will not be able to reach the required goals of even a slow and complicated average day of tasks, or they will be feeling so miserable that they cannot keep up their required level of professionality (constant vomiting while attempting to sell products to new clients while ones' throat is raw, voice is scratchy, and knees are too weak to stand up on from loosing so much bodily moisture, is a nice clear example of that).

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Frederick Harmon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At our facility people WFH has failed miserably. We have lost weeks due to not having our materials arriving on time and running out out of work. People need to come in from time to time to actively see whats going on but instead called in and had those who were physically on site give counts that were incorrect. That's just one of a couple dozen fails frome WFH in our industry. We've had to lay people off due to lack of work due to these clerical errors and many have not returned or retired. I don't blame them either. We had oeople that's been there for 30- 40 plus years to now a bunch of Temps.

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Julie Cornell-MommaWolf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am an On The Job training coach. We have been doing this from home. We have been using WEBX. It has been “working” but barely. Agent are supposed to have cameras on where we can see their faces not just the top of their heads. They are supposed to have the lights on, we need to see their faces. We train for a bank. So security is of the utmost importance. They have had background checks blah blah blah. Agents have been caught sleeping, playing on their phones other things expressly not supposed to be done. Starting next month we go back on site. I would LOVE to continue working from home. My job requires flexibility in hours. Some classes start at 6 to 2:30, 10 to 6:30 and 12:00 to 9:30 so working from home is PERFECT for that, but I know why it needs to be onsite. It’s been a great 2 years and yes I have been spoiled but I like my job a lot so. . . But yes for most people who have been working from home and it has been successful why change it?

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Gabriel Gawrada
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tried to read this but was puzzled by the comment about remote work replacing hard work and graft, maybe meant to use a different word? I've never seen hard work and graft used together. The end results will provide the data required to compare productivity of remote vs. on site work. I never had to commute in a major city like LA or SF or NY. On the other hand it never felt like a major inconvenience to drive the 15 minutes it took. Some of the comments reflect pathological anger. Is the logical response to a differing opinion to threaten to burn their s**t down and call them a pig? Scary people.

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Kangaroo171994
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That employer seems like they've never once taken time for themselves to purely focus on themselves. It seems like all that's on their mind is work, work, work without fun or play but truth: That's NOT how life works esp with WFH jobs. It really depends on the job itself. For ex: Most construction workers have to be On Site for their jobs unless they're independent contractors but even then they still have to be On site. Most office jobs to my knowledge usually have some type of WFH option but refuse it. Also WFH jobs are NOT abt self entitlement or laziness because here's reality: For example, a single parent Raising 3 kids by Themselves and when they're at work in the office on site, they have to Pay a Babysitter almost 24/7 b/c that same parent Works Full time to Provide for their family. Honestly there is absolutely nothing wrong with a babysitter at all esp when help is needed the most but when the parent works all the time, what time does that parent actually have to spend with

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

their children except for the weekends on their days off from work? Truth: They don't. And it's about Work-Life Balance but do Employers actually Follow thru with that? Most don't and for those that do are very Rare to come by. Every single person in this world has a LIFE Outside of work and our Personal business is NOT Employers' business (unless it gets to the extent of drugs which is bad for everyone) but that's different. Another example: Students who go to school FULL Time and Work Full time. They have no choice but to work full time in order to pay for school and then when they finally get a day or 2 off from work, All they want to do is Relax AND Sleep. But then what happens? These same exact ppl get called in and usually say "yes" b/c they don't want to let their team down. But there's nothing wrong with saying "no" esp when it's for their own benefit and mental health. In most states it is in fact illegal to make ur employees work for 2-3 weeks straight with 0 days off from

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Work from home is great for the handicapped or a single or stay at home mom/ care giver. However it is nit as productive. Everyone else should get back to work! This country is getting so weak. This CEO is 100% right.

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Alina Starshine
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find working from home much more productive. Never late due to traffic, takes less time to get lunch ready, not interrupted by random people talking to some one else near your desk, or sounds of say a paper shredder. I get more work done, and higher quality with less interruptions. I had been 1-2 days at home before the pandemic and my team is staying full remote as our productivity has increased as a team the last two years.

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