British actress Jameela Jamil is best known for her role in the TV series The Good Place, however, the self-described “feminist in progress” has won much praise and support for her outspoken views on Twitter, where she uses her platform to call out various issues in the entertainment industry.
In a recent piece for the BBC, Jameela set out her views on airbrushing and the increasingly common use of filters and editing apps, which she feels “are legitimizing the patriarchy’s absurd aesthetic standards, that women should be attractive to the straight, male gaze at all costs.”
“I think it’s a disgusting tool that has been weaponized, predominantly against women, and is responsible for so many more problems than we realize because we are blinded by the media, our culture and our society,” she wrote. “I suffered from eating disorders as a teenager and so I know how damaging “perfect” images in magazines can be.”
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Expanding on her argument, she took to Twitter to give an example of the ‘weaponization’ of photoshop. Highlighting the fact that men in their 50’s are celebrated for the way they age naturally, giving them a rugged attractiveness, while women of the same age are airbrushed to within an inch of their lives.
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But while her views do come from a good place (pun intended) and attracted a great deal of applause, there were also some who feel she might be going too far this time.
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I'm a bloke and I'm not generally outspoken or vocal about these sorts of issues. But literally everything Jameela says is true. Our minds are being warped to see cartoon characters of ourselves and not what we actually look like. Photo shopping, air brushing, all that stuff needs stopping.
Christ it's genuinely depressing the amount of comments that are along the lines of 'stop being offended by everything'. They completely miss the point. It's not about offense or feminism. It's about how lying to people, feeding them s**t and telling them it's gold, is not right.
Load More Replies...This is one of those things that I don't think is a sexism thing but a human thing. They photoshop and airbrush men and women. I saw a picture of George Clooney on the red carpet and remembered seeing him on s magazine not a month before and the difference was stunning. I'm not saying he looked bad because he didn't he just looked completely different.
I’m sure he is airbrushed but clearly not as much as women are. In most pictures of him you can see that he has wrinkles.
Load More Replies...If airbrushing should be banned than so should plastic surgery and botox/fillers. It's the same thing. Hiding the aging with artificial means.
I think it's a little bit different though. Magazines are something so so many men, women, and children see. It's advertising an unrealistic standard. By not airbrushing photos, it's normalizing imperfection and really just normal bodies. Plastic surgery is more of a personal thing, in my opinion. And people get it for so many different reasons
Load More Replies...I really don't buy magazines, because they are 95% advertisements, but the last time I was in a doctors office, the photos of Nicole Kidman did make her look like she was in her twenties, but then it was a doctors office so in actual fact there was a good chance the magazine was 30 years old. Hee, hee, seriously though they don't just airbrush age away, it's anything "undesirable".
😂😂 Liked the comment about the doctor's office. Hee, hee. Sport's magazines much of the time.
Load More Replies...My 62 year old mother always complains about the wrinkles in her face and on her hands and she doesn't know how much that bothers me. When she lights up at cosmetic commercials and says these things, I always remind her that she is a beautiful older woman and her beauty is completely natural. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HER. F**k off beauty standards! Leave my mom alone!!
I'm 61 so I know how your mom feels. I have grey hair and wrinkles. But I don't let it bother me. Keep telling your mom that she is beautiful and awesome. She made you didn't she?💕
Load More Replies...3rd rock from the sun quotes: Marry : I think you look distinguished with grey hair. When men have grey hair they look distinguished. When women have grey hair they just look old. D**k : When women have breasts they look sexy. When man have breasts they look old.
Illegal? Isn't that a bit extreme. I would hope that everyone knows these images are altered. If the magazine insists on falsifying someone's appearance, how about a little disclaimer somewhere for those who can't grasp the concept that everyone...EVERYONE... has flaws.
If you bought a car on the basis it could go 200mph and then when you got it it only went 20 mph, and was actually a donkey dressed as a car, and genuinely not as advertised, you would probably try and get your money back. The company would probably be shut down. Yet companies and individuals can say to 12 year old girls who live on the internet 'If you buy this pill/ cream/ drink you will look like a super model' - whats the difference?
Load More Replies...Um...while I agree there is an issue with modern media/social media and how popular all those fancy filters are, this person has lost all credibility on the subject when she tried to turn it into another "SEXISM" thing. Basically 10/10 magazine covers are gonna be Photoshopped in 2018, be it men or women, it's a much wider issue that has nothing to do with sexism. It may look less apparent on males because instead of giving them girlie smooth skin etc they instead might go for dramatic manly frown with wrinkles but please...it's obviously there. How is anyone even still surprised by that? You know what really bugs *me* in all this? The amount of attention people, this woman included, are paying to pictures of people they've never even seen in reality. These are literally people whose job is to make fancy images of themselves, so why should YOU care what they look like on that perfect picture taken after hours of make up, by a professional photographer on a professional cam and then
heavily edited? Just live your life, there's no need to either starve yourself to death in order to match nor to start crusades because "sexism"
Load More Replies...Never heard of this person but on her TV show, does she not have to spend a bit of time at make-up to look attractive on tv? what's the difference?
To a degree, makeup does do the same thing - it covers up your real features. But, Jameela has a point that Photoshop can be much more psychologically damaging. In person, it's usually very easy to tell if a woman is wearing makeup and how much and where. (At least most women can, because we apply it ourselves.) But with a photoshopped image, even if your rational brain knows it's probably touched up, you don't know where or how much. It's easier to believe that the unattainable standard you see with Photoshop is the reality. Also, a little bit of make-up (like you said above) usually is a lot closer to the natural image than a little bit of Photoshop, which often produces impossibly thin figures.
Load More Replies...I can almost understand the basic evolutionary reason why brains are programmed to see older females as less attractive than males of a similar age. Obviously, as with all animals, once a female is past breeding age (to put it bluntly) she will no longer be desirable as a mate, whereas an alpha male will retain their fertility and be desirable for much longer.
However, human brains are not that simple. Many people are attracted to older people because there are more factors involved in attraction rather than just "they look maximally fertile". We find things like knowledge, maturity, stability, respectability, etc. attractive in addition to simply physical things. Also, I don't think "them being seen as less attractive makes senses" should necessarily equal "we should make them look as young as possible at all times".
Load More Replies...Not sure why we bother confronting magazine cover editing anyway... Shouldnt we just focus on teaching children and youth resiliency, understanding of social media deception, how to question sources, to think critically about what they are seeing??? They are growing up in an IG, filter crazy world.........
We should. I actually didn't know magazines were still purchased! Thought it was all online
Load More Replies...Do celebrities really practically have a choice whether to let their picture be airbrushed and photoshopped or not after being taken and published by someone else? Maybe they can make a legal contract for a professional photo shooting or something but really it's on the magazines what they put on the cover and which pictures they use and they do what most (or what they think most) of their users want and expect from them ... actually it's the whole industry and most of humanity that perpetuates the use of photoshop and airbrush, whether it be instagram or fashion magazines and people got so used to it and expect it that it's become unusual to see a picture of a celebrity or anyone else, especially one taken by a professional, without its use.
Says the lady wearong bright red lipstick and a whole lot more makeup to enhance her features. But that's okay, I guess? Quite hypocritical in my opinion.
*wearing. Can someone photoshop my sausage fingers, please?
Load More Replies...I'm not defending photoshopping faces, but people even do that to their own facebook selfies. So... maybe these women that are being photoshopped WANT to be photoshopped? That "Indic Forum" guy guy who replied first didn't state his case very well, but you can find almost the same thing here, stated better. Age disparity in sexual relationships: https://goo.gl/BtXiLQ Almost 20% of couples are in relationships where the man is 6+ years older. About 4% are in relationships where the woman is 6+ years older. I can't tell you how many women's profiles on dating sites say "no younger men." So unfortunately the problem is probably... men. Or at least men's preferences. I think women are probably photoshopped more because men tend to prefer younger women. And I think men are photoshopped less because women tend to prefer older men. But based on that article I linked above, this seems to be nature and not nurture.
If this practice is stopped, great, I don't mind. Will that change behavior? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
Load More Replies...And where is this "weapon" being used? On the cover of Women's Magazines. Cosmo, Vogue, etc etc ... If you don't like it stop buying that trash. Women are 53% of the population, you have a great deal of economic clout. Use it or stop whining about how it's the big bad media's fault.
Congratulations for noticing women can be misogynists too.
Load More Replies...So a photo editing software has been "weaponized" - BWahahahahahaha - that is the stupidest thing ever said on the Internet. So does the software somehow grow a gun and shoot people? No? Then it's not a f*****g weapon. Society is going to s**t - everyone and their gay brother have turned into a drama queen. Oh woes is me - someone did this that or the other thing that hurt my itty bitty feelings. Grow the f**k up snowflakes.
Jeez, so what. How does it offend your life so much. Most normal people know that everything is photoshopped these days. Why don't you get yourself out , have a drink with friends, go to the cinema. Get a life instead of worrying and whinging about nothing.
Soooo...someone who makes her living in the world of make-believe doesn't think people should change their appearance for a promotional photo shoot? It's a business that is NOT a necessity in life so who cares? Awards are given to people who make other people look different.
People need to stop being Offended by everything. Stop turning ant hills into Mt Everest. For one thing, it makes it hard to take real issues seriously.
This is a real issue; it skews our sense of reality. If it's not an issue in your life, great! It is in mine and others lives, and you don't get to dictate priorities of issues in society by disregarding that,
Load More Replies...Well, this would be a great opportunity to whip out your brain, and actually differentiate between altered and real images. Anything can be perceived as a weapon by someone who is dense enough to believe that 50 yo women really look like that.
Air brushing covers make men REALLY WANT WOMEN, but women can pick and choose what they want. If guys are stupid enough to pick women only on looks, they get what they deserve. It's not a crime wanting to look good (or just better) for a special day or knowing a get together might be a last memory. TV, movies and advertising is a visual Disneyland. Treat it as the superficial entertainment that it is.
I wounder what would say Nicole Kidmand and Sandra Bullock if their photo was not photoshopped... and what about make-up? Would they prefer not to wear make-up?
The opinions and/or choices Of Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock do you not invalidate the point. And I would argue that we don't know what their opinions are!
Load More Replies...From the moment I felt my peak had passed at 20-something, I’ve embraced my aging! By the time I got pregnant at 30 I quit wearing makeup. I figure, if I’m happy & loving life then I’m beautiful and don’t need makeup. If I’m not happy & living life, there’s no amount of makeup in the world that could cover that up! My wrinkles are a sign of my wisdom. My imperfections make me identifiable as ME - no one else gets to share in my uniqueness! Whether loving life or struggling in it, everybody is beautiful! Own it & work it!
i remember when mary tyler moore was criticized for having laugh lines at the age of 30. i would HOPE a person has indications of having laughed & smiled by 30.
I am almost sixty. Next month I will be. I love the age on me, the e periences in my life, show on my body. I am the oldest of four girls/ women, and I am the nlmmmy one mottling hair, I’m the one with near black hair, and I am nteven half gray yet! I have a front section that has grayed first, and the sides are silver, as well as silver strands in the rest of my hair. I love them! I just love, that I’m almost sixty, but don’t look it. I spent 35 years as a hard working RN, and I’m proud to be older, wiser and happier! I don’t care who doesn’t like me, as it’s none of my business. I am much more outspoken,and admit when I’m wrong, more often! I also tell my loved ones a lot,I LOVE YOU, I LIKE YOU and compliment more. I like my age, because I have learned.
Honestly, Jameel is wrong in thinking that only photos of older women are airbrushed. The reality is that it is just as common among older male celebrities regardless of how high they are on the food chain. The majority of people by now know what airbrushing is and can spot it in almost every instance and we really don't care. We've seen these actors and actresses in films and shows and interviews and we know what they look like naturally but the problem lies in those who willingly ignore the truth and instead insist on believing in a fantasy world that doesn't exist and these are the people who need help.
No wonder so many have unrealistic expectations of what it is to be beautiful. Worse, those who feel they'll never stack up (let's face it, who could?) risk developing body/image issues to the point of self harm. I know youth is beauty, but none of us are young forever. That doesn't have to mean we stop being beautiful.
Those same women sell the Oil of Olay and other ANTI AGING creams to women to make "wrinkles and lines dissapear". Women and men love rugged looking men and smooth looking women. Theres one black actress (I can picture her but I dont do names)who's like 80 or 90! And she looks amazing... Because she doesnt look 80-90
I agree that photoshop is extremely overused and is done in a way that isn’t equal between men and women. That said, it is possible to point this out without advocating for a blatant violation of the first amendment. The initial reaction to anything remotely problematic shouldn’t be to make it illegal.
Plus, it annoys me when you get these people who say you shouldnt care about getting old (newsflash-a lot of women DO care, but theyre too afraid to admit it for being called vain and shallow) but very often theyre the same people who then say 'oh look at that celeb, shes so old!' If you dont care about wrinkles and sagging, fine, thats OK, but please dont shame the people who do care. Live and let live.
If ageing is such a 'beautiful and natural process' as one comment says, and that 'there is nothing less beautiful about women as they age', how come men stop paying attention to them when they get old and saggy? Is it really such a crime to want to look beautiful and feel good about yourself? Why is it that anyone who wants to look young is always demonised?
If ageing is such a 'beautiful and natural process' as one comment says, and that 'there is nothing less beautiful about women as they age', how come men stop paying attention to them when they get old and saggy? Is it really such a crime to want to look beautiful? Why is it that anyone who wants to look young is always demonised?
I feel dismayed that women with victim worldviews use examples of marketing to justify their neuroses. I don't know what world you live in but the feminine women that I know, work and associate with are not at all ignorant with regards to personal values and worth - we certainly don't rely on others opinions as our model for personal worth.
Y'all do realize that these actresses have made their career based on their looks. Very few of them have ever had a problem with airbrushing, most probably encourage it. THEY want to be presented in the best light possible, its how they make their money. I can see the argument when speaking about political figures and such, but models, actresses, etc are very much complicit in post production work done to them
There is no "unedited" photo in all media available to the world! Ok maybe that picture of yours taken by your brother... and uploaded to Facebook.
Who buys Cosmo? Men? Hell no. Who likes the look of fake-a*s women with too much makeup? Men? Hell no. Who glorified the stick thin supermodels of the 90's? Men? Hell no. And yes, evolutionarily speaking being younger was/is a desirable trait for women because they can handle childbirth (and have less complications/defects etc) when younger. Men who are young and smooth skinned are looked at as "boys" so it's the same prejudice only in reverse, so stop with the whining. You developed an eating disorder? That's your f*****g problem. Don't blame anyone but your weak self. Every movie now has a man who'd shredded. Are all the young men getting ripped and taking steroids? It's just as warped of a body image and we're inundated with it so stop acting like you have it so tough.
It's not the graphic editors that are a problem, you moron. It's the general public. Magazines and graphic artists will print whatever people will buy. They buy young women, so that's what magazines and graphic artists provide. I suppose that McDonald's has weaponized food as well.....
Totally agree. I'll admit I stopped scrolling when I saw Sandra. Love her. With or without the wrinkles
I don't listen to feminists. They are man-haters who are trying to change the standard of beauty because THEY aren't beautiful. They decided if they can't be beautiful then no other women should be either.
Lol, okay, which feminists are you talking about? the 20 year old uni students who think everything is an injustice? first, second, third wave? I like my Germaine Greer types, the ones with some balls (not real ones) who have fallen out of favour with the newbies. Do you reckon they hate men or hate men's universal rule? Also, with the "femininity" thing, if you're female you're already feminine. I wouldn't want to be masculine because I dont like what masculinity seems to represent (violence, mainly). The men can keep it. Actually why can't we just be ourselves and not have to worry about how masculine or feminine (obsolete concepts, anyway) we're being?
Load More Replies...The key is the audience of the magazine. If it is mainly for women the people there will be Photoshoped. If the audience is mainly man, then it will not be Photoshopped. Women are the ones who pressure other women.
Women pressure other women in a patriarchal culture that is taught them that most of their value was in there looks. If the cultural norms were changed to teach women that their value Is in their brain and their heart, then women wouldn't pressure other women. I also question whether women are not photo shopped it in magazines for men. Show me the research!
Load More Replies...it was ALWAYS the women who set up beauty standards. it sounds lame as f**k when they complain about how photoshopped magazine girls look. you brought this on yourselves, ffs.
No we didn't. Look at the CEO of any major makeup company. Listen to what men complain about women. We are now fighting against it, but we didn't cause it.
Load More Replies...I'm a vocal opponent of 'airbrushing' of either gender, but as others have noted it's worth pointing out that men's images are manipulated too. If it appears that women's images are manipulated more it's probably because women wear so much more make-up, and that sets the stage for a more extreme final result. Speaking of which, the disproportionate use of make-up by women should give them pause about the motivation behind this need to mask their reality in the first place. Finally, the overwhelming majority of men that I know prefer women without make-up, and the audience for both made-up women and images of women appears to be other women. I suppose that pornography is the glaring exception to the rule, but even in this case most of the men I know don't like fake boobs or surgically-juvenilised genitalia, and I wonder again how we've arrived at the sad state of affairs that is the modern Western female image... :-(
Men SAY they prefer women without makeup, but in a bar or a club they pick the ones with makeup EVERY SINGLE TIME. Men don't understand that question. When you ask a man if he likes makeup or not, in his head he thinks of "heavy unnatural makeup". When you're wearing good makeup, he thinks you're not wearing any! Many of my friends are women in their mid-30s. Yeah, I'm THAT guy that women talk to about their relationships. I don't know why. I've wondered. Anyway, a few friends were recently in LTRs and stopped wearing makeup. Then they broke up and were back in the singles market at 35 or so. A few came to me and asked if they were ugly (nope) because they never got asked out. I told them "of course you're not ugly, but men don't know what they want." Try a bit of eyeliner, lipstick, maybe a bit of blush. Without fail, that solved the problem. Yeah, it is crazy. But true. Am I evil for telling them that? Maybe. But they're happy now. Most men are more shallow than women at first.
Load More Replies...bullock and kidman have lost their "natural faces" to botox a LONG time ago, so, brushing is substantially irrelevant at this point
I irks me that women celebrities continue to get "work" done on themselves instead of letting themselves age normally. Just look at what Meg Ryan did to herself, she destroyed her looks; wrinkles are no way as bad as a face lift or lip plump!
I cancelled my subscriptions to women's magazines years ago. I told them all that I would reconsider when they stopped photoshopping and airbrushing women to oblivion. If magazine images are supposed to be inspirational and/or aspirational, then I would like them to reflect what women actually look like, and not what somebody else has decided they SHOULD look like.
This isn't just an issue about Photoshop. This is life. Professional men over the age of 40 can write their own ticket when it comes to job. Women the same age don't get hired by anyone, no matter what their qualifications are. If you go shopping over the age of 40, you're invisible. No one will wait on you and no one will bother asking if you need help. I find this richly bizarre, given that women our age (I'm 55) can AFFORD to shop in places where the sales clerks are on commission.
I don't see the big issue here. Obviously normal people don't look like that in their day to day lives. Obviously movie stars and people in public view have surgeries, wear make up and have their images photoshopped. I thought people had enough brains to tell the difference, but apparently it's yet another thing to get offended over. /// BTW Here's a little secret- good looks are not everything men need/ want in a woman, it's just the first thing we see. Character and personality are much more important, but you need to get to know a person first.
"BTW Here's a little secret- good looks are not everything men need/ want in a woman, it's just the first thing we see" This may be true of you and some of the people in your life; it's true of me and people in my life (the important ones). But society, in the form of TV, movies, magazines, and other of the people in my life, have told me unendingly and repeatedly, that this is not true, that looks are very important, possibly paramount. And that has translated into being ignored, talked over, disregarded, and misdiagnosed. Our sense of reality is skewed by these issues.
Load More Replies...She does speak the truth, but a piece of it only. How many online clothing purchases do people make now where they barely notice the photoshopped body.
I tried to read your comment but the bad grammar gave me brain cancer
Load More Replies...I'm a bloke and I'm not generally outspoken or vocal about these sorts of issues. But literally everything Jameela says is true. Our minds are being warped to see cartoon characters of ourselves and not what we actually look like. Photo shopping, air brushing, all that stuff needs stopping.
Christ it's genuinely depressing the amount of comments that are along the lines of 'stop being offended by everything'. They completely miss the point. It's not about offense or feminism. It's about how lying to people, feeding them s**t and telling them it's gold, is not right.
Load More Replies...This is one of those things that I don't think is a sexism thing but a human thing. They photoshop and airbrush men and women. I saw a picture of George Clooney on the red carpet and remembered seeing him on s magazine not a month before and the difference was stunning. I'm not saying he looked bad because he didn't he just looked completely different.
I’m sure he is airbrushed but clearly not as much as women are. In most pictures of him you can see that he has wrinkles.
Load More Replies...If airbrushing should be banned than so should plastic surgery and botox/fillers. It's the same thing. Hiding the aging with artificial means.
I think it's a little bit different though. Magazines are something so so many men, women, and children see. It's advertising an unrealistic standard. By not airbrushing photos, it's normalizing imperfection and really just normal bodies. Plastic surgery is more of a personal thing, in my opinion. And people get it for so many different reasons
Load More Replies...I really don't buy magazines, because they are 95% advertisements, but the last time I was in a doctors office, the photos of Nicole Kidman did make her look like she was in her twenties, but then it was a doctors office so in actual fact there was a good chance the magazine was 30 years old. Hee, hee, seriously though they don't just airbrush age away, it's anything "undesirable".
😂😂 Liked the comment about the doctor's office. Hee, hee. Sport's magazines much of the time.
Load More Replies...My 62 year old mother always complains about the wrinkles in her face and on her hands and she doesn't know how much that bothers me. When she lights up at cosmetic commercials and says these things, I always remind her that she is a beautiful older woman and her beauty is completely natural. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HER. F**k off beauty standards! Leave my mom alone!!
I'm 61 so I know how your mom feels. I have grey hair and wrinkles. But I don't let it bother me. Keep telling your mom that she is beautiful and awesome. She made you didn't she?💕
Load More Replies...3rd rock from the sun quotes: Marry : I think you look distinguished with grey hair. When men have grey hair they look distinguished. When women have grey hair they just look old. D**k : When women have breasts they look sexy. When man have breasts they look old.
Illegal? Isn't that a bit extreme. I would hope that everyone knows these images are altered. If the magazine insists on falsifying someone's appearance, how about a little disclaimer somewhere for those who can't grasp the concept that everyone...EVERYONE... has flaws.
If you bought a car on the basis it could go 200mph and then when you got it it only went 20 mph, and was actually a donkey dressed as a car, and genuinely not as advertised, you would probably try and get your money back. The company would probably be shut down. Yet companies and individuals can say to 12 year old girls who live on the internet 'If you buy this pill/ cream/ drink you will look like a super model' - whats the difference?
Load More Replies...Um...while I agree there is an issue with modern media/social media and how popular all those fancy filters are, this person has lost all credibility on the subject when she tried to turn it into another "SEXISM" thing. Basically 10/10 magazine covers are gonna be Photoshopped in 2018, be it men or women, it's a much wider issue that has nothing to do with sexism. It may look less apparent on males because instead of giving them girlie smooth skin etc they instead might go for dramatic manly frown with wrinkles but please...it's obviously there. How is anyone even still surprised by that? You know what really bugs *me* in all this? The amount of attention people, this woman included, are paying to pictures of people they've never even seen in reality. These are literally people whose job is to make fancy images of themselves, so why should YOU care what they look like on that perfect picture taken after hours of make up, by a professional photographer on a professional cam and then
heavily edited? Just live your life, there's no need to either starve yourself to death in order to match nor to start crusades because "sexism"
Load More Replies...Never heard of this person but on her TV show, does she not have to spend a bit of time at make-up to look attractive on tv? what's the difference?
To a degree, makeup does do the same thing - it covers up your real features. But, Jameela has a point that Photoshop can be much more psychologically damaging. In person, it's usually very easy to tell if a woman is wearing makeup and how much and where. (At least most women can, because we apply it ourselves.) But with a photoshopped image, even if your rational brain knows it's probably touched up, you don't know where or how much. It's easier to believe that the unattainable standard you see with Photoshop is the reality. Also, a little bit of make-up (like you said above) usually is a lot closer to the natural image than a little bit of Photoshop, which often produces impossibly thin figures.
Load More Replies...I can almost understand the basic evolutionary reason why brains are programmed to see older females as less attractive than males of a similar age. Obviously, as with all animals, once a female is past breeding age (to put it bluntly) she will no longer be desirable as a mate, whereas an alpha male will retain their fertility and be desirable for much longer.
However, human brains are not that simple. Many people are attracted to older people because there are more factors involved in attraction rather than just "they look maximally fertile". We find things like knowledge, maturity, stability, respectability, etc. attractive in addition to simply physical things. Also, I don't think "them being seen as less attractive makes senses" should necessarily equal "we should make them look as young as possible at all times".
Load More Replies...Not sure why we bother confronting magazine cover editing anyway... Shouldnt we just focus on teaching children and youth resiliency, understanding of social media deception, how to question sources, to think critically about what they are seeing??? They are growing up in an IG, filter crazy world.........
We should. I actually didn't know magazines were still purchased! Thought it was all online
Load More Replies...Do celebrities really practically have a choice whether to let their picture be airbrushed and photoshopped or not after being taken and published by someone else? Maybe they can make a legal contract for a professional photo shooting or something but really it's on the magazines what they put on the cover and which pictures they use and they do what most (or what they think most) of their users want and expect from them ... actually it's the whole industry and most of humanity that perpetuates the use of photoshop and airbrush, whether it be instagram or fashion magazines and people got so used to it and expect it that it's become unusual to see a picture of a celebrity or anyone else, especially one taken by a professional, without its use.
Says the lady wearong bright red lipstick and a whole lot more makeup to enhance her features. But that's okay, I guess? Quite hypocritical in my opinion.
*wearing. Can someone photoshop my sausage fingers, please?
Load More Replies...I'm not defending photoshopping faces, but people even do that to their own facebook selfies. So... maybe these women that are being photoshopped WANT to be photoshopped? That "Indic Forum" guy guy who replied first didn't state his case very well, but you can find almost the same thing here, stated better. Age disparity in sexual relationships: https://goo.gl/BtXiLQ Almost 20% of couples are in relationships where the man is 6+ years older. About 4% are in relationships where the woman is 6+ years older. I can't tell you how many women's profiles on dating sites say "no younger men." So unfortunately the problem is probably... men. Or at least men's preferences. I think women are probably photoshopped more because men tend to prefer younger women. And I think men are photoshopped less because women tend to prefer older men. But based on that article I linked above, this seems to be nature and not nurture.
If this practice is stopped, great, I don't mind. Will that change behavior? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
Load More Replies...And where is this "weapon" being used? On the cover of Women's Magazines. Cosmo, Vogue, etc etc ... If you don't like it stop buying that trash. Women are 53% of the population, you have a great deal of economic clout. Use it or stop whining about how it's the big bad media's fault.
Congratulations for noticing women can be misogynists too.
Load More Replies...So a photo editing software has been "weaponized" - BWahahahahahaha - that is the stupidest thing ever said on the Internet. So does the software somehow grow a gun and shoot people? No? Then it's not a f*****g weapon. Society is going to s**t - everyone and their gay brother have turned into a drama queen. Oh woes is me - someone did this that or the other thing that hurt my itty bitty feelings. Grow the f**k up snowflakes.
Jeez, so what. How does it offend your life so much. Most normal people know that everything is photoshopped these days. Why don't you get yourself out , have a drink with friends, go to the cinema. Get a life instead of worrying and whinging about nothing.
Soooo...someone who makes her living in the world of make-believe doesn't think people should change their appearance for a promotional photo shoot? It's a business that is NOT a necessity in life so who cares? Awards are given to people who make other people look different.
People need to stop being Offended by everything. Stop turning ant hills into Mt Everest. For one thing, it makes it hard to take real issues seriously.
This is a real issue; it skews our sense of reality. If it's not an issue in your life, great! It is in mine and others lives, and you don't get to dictate priorities of issues in society by disregarding that,
Load More Replies...Well, this would be a great opportunity to whip out your brain, and actually differentiate between altered and real images. Anything can be perceived as a weapon by someone who is dense enough to believe that 50 yo women really look like that.
Air brushing covers make men REALLY WANT WOMEN, but women can pick and choose what they want. If guys are stupid enough to pick women only on looks, they get what they deserve. It's not a crime wanting to look good (or just better) for a special day or knowing a get together might be a last memory. TV, movies and advertising is a visual Disneyland. Treat it as the superficial entertainment that it is.
I wounder what would say Nicole Kidmand and Sandra Bullock if their photo was not photoshopped... and what about make-up? Would they prefer not to wear make-up?
The opinions and/or choices Of Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock do you not invalidate the point. And I would argue that we don't know what their opinions are!
Load More Replies...From the moment I felt my peak had passed at 20-something, I’ve embraced my aging! By the time I got pregnant at 30 I quit wearing makeup. I figure, if I’m happy & loving life then I’m beautiful and don’t need makeup. If I’m not happy & living life, there’s no amount of makeup in the world that could cover that up! My wrinkles are a sign of my wisdom. My imperfections make me identifiable as ME - no one else gets to share in my uniqueness! Whether loving life or struggling in it, everybody is beautiful! Own it & work it!
i remember when mary tyler moore was criticized for having laugh lines at the age of 30. i would HOPE a person has indications of having laughed & smiled by 30.
I am almost sixty. Next month I will be. I love the age on me, the e periences in my life, show on my body. I am the oldest of four girls/ women, and I am the nlmmmy one mottling hair, I’m the one with near black hair, and I am nteven half gray yet! I have a front section that has grayed first, and the sides are silver, as well as silver strands in the rest of my hair. I love them! I just love, that I’m almost sixty, but don’t look it. I spent 35 years as a hard working RN, and I’m proud to be older, wiser and happier! I don’t care who doesn’t like me, as it’s none of my business. I am much more outspoken,and admit when I’m wrong, more often! I also tell my loved ones a lot,I LOVE YOU, I LIKE YOU and compliment more. I like my age, because I have learned.
Honestly, Jameel is wrong in thinking that only photos of older women are airbrushed. The reality is that it is just as common among older male celebrities regardless of how high they are on the food chain. The majority of people by now know what airbrushing is and can spot it in almost every instance and we really don't care. We've seen these actors and actresses in films and shows and interviews and we know what they look like naturally but the problem lies in those who willingly ignore the truth and instead insist on believing in a fantasy world that doesn't exist and these are the people who need help.
No wonder so many have unrealistic expectations of what it is to be beautiful. Worse, those who feel they'll never stack up (let's face it, who could?) risk developing body/image issues to the point of self harm. I know youth is beauty, but none of us are young forever. That doesn't have to mean we stop being beautiful.
Those same women sell the Oil of Olay and other ANTI AGING creams to women to make "wrinkles and lines dissapear". Women and men love rugged looking men and smooth looking women. Theres one black actress (I can picture her but I dont do names)who's like 80 or 90! And she looks amazing... Because she doesnt look 80-90
I agree that photoshop is extremely overused and is done in a way that isn’t equal between men and women. That said, it is possible to point this out without advocating for a blatant violation of the first amendment. The initial reaction to anything remotely problematic shouldn’t be to make it illegal.
Plus, it annoys me when you get these people who say you shouldnt care about getting old (newsflash-a lot of women DO care, but theyre too afraid to admit it for being called vain and shallow) but very often theyre the same people who then say 'oh look at that celeb, shes so old!' If you dont care about wrinkles and sagging, fine, thats OK, but please dont shame the people who do care. Live and let live.
If ageing is such a 'beautiful and natural process' as one comment says, and that 'there is nothing less beautiful about women as they age', how come men stop paying attention to them when they get old and saggy? Is it really such a crime to want to look beautiful and feel good about yourself? Why is it that anyone who wants to look young is always demonised?
If ageing is such a 'beautiful and natural process' as one comment says, and that 'there is nothing less beautiful about women as they age', how come men stop paying attention to them when they get old and saggy? Is it really such a crime to want to look beautiful? Why is it that anyone who wants to look young is always demonised?
I feel dismayed that women with victim worldviews use examples of marketing to justify their neuroses. I don't know what world you live in but the feminine women that I know, work and associate with are not at all ignorant with regards to personal values and worth - we certainly don't rely on others opinions as our model for personal worth.
Y'all do realize that these actresses have made their career based on their looks. Very few of them have ever had a problem with airbrushing, most probably encourage it. THEY want to be presented in the best light possible, its how they make their money. I can see the argument when speaking about political figures and such, but models, actresses, etc are very much complicit in post production work done to them
There is no "unedited" photo in all media available to the world! Ok maybe that picture of yours taken by your brother... and uploaded to Facebook.
Who buys Cosmo? Men? Hell no. Who likes the look of fake-a*s women with too much makeup? Men? Hell no. Who glorified the stick thin supermodels of the 90's? Men? Hell no. And yes, evolutionarily speaking being younger was/is a desirable trait for women because they can handle childbirth (and have less complications/defects etc) when younger. Men who are young and smooth skinned are looked at as "boys" so it's the same prejudice only in reverse, so stop with the whining. You developed an eating disorder? That's your f*****g problem. Don't blame anyone but your weak self. Every movie now has a man who'd shredded. Are all the young men getting ripped and taking steroids? It's just as warped of a body image and we're inundated with it so stop acting like you have it so tough.
It's not the graphic editors that are a problem, you moron. It's the general public. Magazines and graphic artists will print whatever people will buy. They buy young women, so that's what magazines and graphic artists provide. I suppose that McDonald's has weaponized food as well.....
Totally agree. I'll admit I stopped scrolling when I saw Sandra. Love her. With or without the wrinkles
I don't listen to feminists. They are man-haters who are trying to change the standard of beauty because THEY aren't beautiful. They decided if they can't be beautiful then no other women should be either.
Lol, okay, which feminists are you talking about? the 20 year old uni students who think everything is an injustice? first, second, third wave? I like my Germaine Greer types, the ones with some balls (not real ones) who have fallen out of favour with the newbies. Do you reckon they hate men or hate men's universal rule? Also, with the "femininity" thing, if you're female you're already feminine. I wouldn't want to be masculine because I dont like what masculinity seems to represent (violence, mainly). The men can keep it. Actually why can't we just be ourselves and not have to worry about how masculine or feminine (obsolete concepts, anyway) we're being?
Load More Replies...The key is the audience of the magazine. If it is mainly for women the people there will be Photoshoped. If the audience is mainly man, then it will not be Photoshopped. Women are the ones who pressure other women.
Women pressure other women in a patriarchal culture that is taught them that most of their value was in there looks. If the cultural norms were changed to teach women that their value Is in their brain and their heart, then women wouldn't pressure other women. I also question whether women are not photo shopped it in magazines for men. Show me the research!
Load More Replies...it was ALWAYS the women who set up beauty standards. it sounds lame as f**k when they complain about how photoshopped magazine girls look. you brought this on yourselves, ffs.
No we didn't. Look at the CEO of any major makeup company. Listen to what men complain about women. We are now fighting against it, but we didn't cause it.
Load More Replies...I'm a vocal opponent of 'airbrushing' of either gender, but as others have noted it's worth pointing out that men's images are manipulated too. If it appears that women's images are manipulated more it's probably because women wear so much more make-up, and that sets the stage for a more extreme final result. Speaking of which, the disproportionate use of make-up by women should give them pause about the motivation behind this need to mask their reality in the first place. Finally, the overwhelming majority of men that I know prefer women without make-up, and the audience for both made-up women and images of women appears to be other women. I suppose that pornography is the glaring exception to the rule, but even in this case most of the men I know don't like fake boobs or surgically-juvenilised genitalia, and I wonder again how we've arrived at the sad state of affairs that is the modern Western female image... :-(
Men SAY they prefer women without makeup, but in a bar or a club they pick the ones with makeup EVERY SINGLE TIME. Men don't understand that question. When you ask a man if he likes makeup or not, in his head he thinks of "heavy unnatural makeup". When you're wearing good makeup, he thinks you're not wearing any! Many of my friends are women in their mid-30s. Yeah, I'm THAT guy that women talk to about their relationships. I don't know why. I've wondered. Anyway, a few friends were recently in LTRs and stopped wearing makeup. Then they broke up and were back in the singles market at 35 or so. A few came to me and asked if they were ugly (nope) because they never got asked out. I told them "of course you're not ugly, but men don't know what they want." Try a bit of eyeliner, lipstick, maybe a bit of blush. Without fail, that solved the problem. Yeah, it is crazy. But true. Am I evil for telling them that? Maybe. But they're happy now. Most men are more shallow than women at first.
Load More Replies...bullock and kidman have lost their "natural faces" to botox a LONG time ago, so, brushing is substantially irrelevant at this point
I irks me that women celebrities continue to get "work" done on themselves instead of letting themselves age normally. Just look at what Meg Ryan did to herself, she destroyed her looks; wrinkles are no way as bad as a face lift or lip plump!
I cancelled my subscriptions to women's magazines years ago. I told them all that I would reconsider when they stopped photoshopping and airbrushing women to oblivion. If magazine images are supposed to be inspirational and/or aspirational, then I would like them to reflect what women actually look like, and not what somebody else has decided they SHOULD look like.
This isn't just an issue about Photoshop. This is life. Professional men over the age of 40 can write their own ticket when it comes to job. Women the same age don't get hired by anyone, no matter what their qualifications are. If you go shopping over the age of 40, you're invisible. No one will wait on you and no one will bother asking if you need help. I find this richly bizarre, given that women our age (I'm 55) can AFFORD to shop in places where the sales clerks are on commission.
I don't see the big issue here. Obviously normal people don't look like that in their day to day lives. Obviously movie stars and people in public view have surgeries, wear make up and have their images photoshopped. I thought people had enough brains to tell the difference, but apparently it's yet another thing to get offended over. /// BTW Here's a little secret- good looks are not everything men need/ want in a woman, it's just the first thing we see. Character and personality are much more important, but you need to get to know a person first.
"BTW Here's a little secret- good looks are not everything men need/ want in a woman, it's just the first thing we see" This may be true of you and some of the people in your life; it's true of me and people in my life (the important ones). But society, in the form of TV, movies, magazines, and other of the people in my life, have told me unendingly and repeatedly, that this is not true, that looks are very important, possibly paramount. And that has translated into being ignored, talked over, disregarded, and misdiagnosed. Our sense of reality is skewed by these issues.
Load More Replies...She does speak the truth, but a piece of it only. How many online clothing purchases do people make now where they barely notice the photoshopped body.
I tried to read your comment but the bad grammar gave me brain cancer
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