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Mother Says “No” When Two Neighbor Boys Ask If They Can Hang Out With Her 2-Year-Old Son, Their Mom Comes Banging At Her Door
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Mother Says “No” When Two Neighbor Boys Ask If They Can Hang Out With Her 2-Year-Old Son, Their Mom Comes Banging At Her Door

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When moving into a new home, you never know exactly what your neighbors will be like. They might be extremely friendly and bring you a casserole upon moving in, or they might be aloof and not say anything to you until you have been in the neighborhood for a year. One easy way to make friends with your neighbors is if your children can all play together, but that generally works best when the kids are around the same age. 

One mother, however, recently shared on MumsNet that she was confused as to why her neighbors that are much older than her son insist on playing with him. She wanted to know if she was being unreasonable for refusing to let the neighbor boys take her two-year-old out, so below, you can read the full story and decide what you think. Let us know in the comments how you would have responded in this situation, and then if you’re interested in another Bored Panda article featuring neighbor drama, check out this story next.

This mom reached out online to see if she was being unreasonable for refusing to let her new neighbor’s sons play with her two-year-old

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A parent can never be too careful when protecting their children. Especially when a kid is only two years old, they likely cannot speak very well, so they definitely need a parent or guardian around who can understand them. Two pre-teen boys probably do not have very much experience with small children either. Toddlers require a lot of attention, and according to many parents, they should be legally required to have supervision. 

One survey conducted by Reason found that 83% of adults believe 6-year-olds should be supervised at public parks. 82% also believe that 9-year-olds require a guardian at parks, and even 63% say 12-year-olds should have supervision. So I don’t think an 11 and 12-year-old would be sufficient to watch over a two-year-old who they don’t even know.

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Some of the comments on this post also mentioned how their minds went straight to Jamie Bulger. Horrifically tortured and murdered by two ten-year-old boys in England in 1993, Jamie Bulger was also only two-years-old when he was kidnapped. While that was a tragic and uncommon situation, a parent can never be too careful. It is much better to be safe and offend a neighbor than to have something unspeakable happen to your child. 

We all want to avoid conflict with our neighbors as much as possible, but sometimes you have to choose your battles. If ensuring that your child is safe causes a rift between tenants, so be it. How would you respond to the neighbors in this situation? We would love to hear your thoughts down below, whether you are a parent or not.

Readers have reassured the mother that she is justified in being cautious

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annam_g_novkvanclov avatar
Krásnoočko
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know it's extreme but I actually thought about Jamie Bulger too. 😳 Older boys with behavioral problems who demand to be alone with a toddler they don't even know sound super creepy and as if they have some very bad idea of a game/prank in mind.

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staygoldponyboy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is more than creepy, it's scary. This mother should file an incident report with her local PD, just to have a record in case this situation escalates.

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Michael Largey
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And looking into what she might need for a restraining order would be another good idea.

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Deborah B
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mind went to Jamie Bulger, and I think a lot of people's did. Maybe they genuinely love children, but boys who are acting out and doing mean pranks, and want to get a toddler alone? If I was *their* mother, I would be horrified. Of course you won't let them play with him unsupervised. If they genuinely have no ill intent, and are just impatient at having to wait for the adult, then little harm was done. If they were planning some sort of prank, it could have gone so, so wrong. If they were looking for a victim, this could have been a tragedy. Certainly I would report this to other parents in the building, to make sure no one is letting small children play unwatched. It doesn't have to be 'potential Jamie Bulger' to be a danger. 'Prank requiring a small child' is also an unacceptable risk.

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E B
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, the alone part is really problematic for me. I enjoyed playing with my baby brothers when I was around that age, but that they objected to the mom wanting to be along is very creepy.

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Bill Allen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m thinking some recon would be in order. Those kids are up to something. I’m even suspicious of their mother.

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María Hermida
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! The mother's attitude is even more scary than the kids'. She is a mother, so she should know you don't just let strangers take your child anywhere. I'd say the mother is part of something sinister. Very, very, very sinister.

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Seabeast
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah... there may be a 12 year old boy somewhere who is fascinated by small children for non-nefarious reasons, but I doubt these two are. I immediately thought of Jamie Bulger as well.

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just me
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are a lot of kids, boys and girls, who want to be nurturing and the cool big kids. I see it a lot when the kids I work with have younger siblings come in at drop off and pick up. I was set to come in and say just that. The insistence on taking the child alone, and not taking no for an answer, firmly swayed me to the something's not right here side.

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P B Wilson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People are so lazy with these goofy abbreviations. Is it really saving you that much effort?!?

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Emmydearest
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm known by my friends and family for being slightly paranoid when it comes to safety and stuff but in this case I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it's quite suspicious. 12 year-olds boys usually have no interest in playing with a 2 year-old, and one thing is being at a family gathering or something and play for a while with their little cousin, another thing is to actively go to a stranger house and ask to play with a little kid they've never even met. No. Weird. Personally I'd be extra careful to leave my kid unattended, like playing by himself in the yard and I'd also try to warn him about these kids, like "do not play with them, if they ask you to go with then, don't go" and such.

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María Hermida
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can never bee too paranoid or too careful when it comes to a little kid's security. There are so many creeps out there! Better safe than sorry, you know.

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Casey Payne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even if they were genuine, which they weren't, the answer is no. I almost killed my little step brother by accidently leaving him alone on the beach because I was playing with a friend. Found him safe and I got punished. Those kids don't sound like kids. They sound like predators. And bullys. Take security measures. They will retaliate.

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Kathryn Baylis
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d put a security cam right inside my door, somewhere facing very clearly right at anyone on the outside of the door—-and invest in one that records high def videos with crystal clear audio, so there’s no question of identity or conversation—-to record the kids and their mother harassing you, just in case they manage to “charm the cop(s) who respond to your call. Harder to charm the cops if they’ve already seen your true, definitely NOT charming, self on numerous timestamped front door videos.

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Francis
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

even if the boys had no bad thoughts and would want to play with him. a toddler can't walk very long by themselves, gets irritated fast and can't concentrate that long. so even when the boys were good meaning, when they get bored or annoyed by the toddler, how big are the chances they leave the child at the spot? the other mum is just weird and stupid

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Lily Siuta
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can’t think of any legitimate reason they’d want to hang out with a two year old. That they then object to the mother coming is possibly the largest red flag on the planet. That the teens have behavioral issues only makes it seem more dubious. Like, best case scenario they want to film something for Tiktok involving vaping or other crimes or maybe demand money from the mom for babysitting. And that’s the best case

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Izzy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

EXACTLY what i was thinking. young boys actively avoid toddlers. they're too busy w friends. two teen boys interested in a toddler is weird, but a STRANGER toddler? + they have behavioural issues? + get angry at supervision bc they're dead set on taking the kid alone? nope. times a million. if they really just wanted to play, the mother's presence wouldn't be an issue. it's not impeding play. no concern for presumptuous judgement here: they had sth BAD in mind. w/o a doubt. whether it's a mild-intended "prank" (which is v likely to go wrong anyway) or sth heinous - there's no good outcome from them taking the kid. i'd be terrified and looking for new housing. the mother clearly enables them + sides w them so they have no fear of punishment. they've actually enacted their plan since they're demanding the kid and they're FIXATED. who knows how far they'd go. that kid is NOT safe. nor other kids, whom they may sub for if they can't take OPs. police NEED to be involved for everyone's sakes

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Id row
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

James Bulger vibes on this big time. And I'm sure their mother would blame the two year old somehow.

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Jane Doe
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Best case scenario is they think they can scam money from the mom for minding the baby. Every other reason is worse. There is no reason why two preteen children should be handed a toddler and told, “yeah, have fun with that.”

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S
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is gross. You'd be an idiot to let them "take him" as they put it

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Emma Starr
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a licensed therapist with 25 years of experience and all the alarms went off in my head. Good for mom for standing her ground!

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Kay Springsteen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would also make certain they never have ANY opportunity to exploit a situation so they are alone with your son. EVER. Their insistence and obvious fixation is too bizarre to ever become comfortable with them having alone time with him, even for a moment.

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Honu
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get how on earth that neighbor woman had her believing that she might be the unreasonable one. If someone shows up on my doorstep yelling and screaming, I don't take that as a sign I should substitute their judgment for my own.

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Tina Hugh
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If this is real, she could maybe benefit from therapy? How can she possibly doubt herself. She needs to talk to some local police; even if she decides not to report the boys, the police officer can give her the benefit of his/her judgment and experience. This has really got to be fake though. It’s the exact scenario for that poor toddler who was murdered

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Katy McMouse
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those two were up to no good. Honestly, if at all possible, I would try to move. Those boys will only get older and more devious. At some point her little boy will be able to play outside without constant supervision and if those two are still around (which is reasonable, considering they aren't close to 18), I wouldn't put it past them to ramp up their efforts the minute they get an opportunity. As long as they are around, this little boy (and other children) will be a target and that would scare the living helll out of me. The little one will never be able to play outside without worry and that's not fair to him. I definitely would consider breaking that lease and who knows - if the op involves the police, maybe the land lord will allow the lease to be broken or maybe he or she will have grounds to evict the demons and their parents.

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Celeste Grant
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I definitely thought about James Bulgar, and think it's pretty unnatural that two teenager bots want to play with a two year old! Keep your child safe, don't ever ignore that instinct even if it upsets others!

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CatWoman312
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t trust anyone anymore, especially other people’s kids. I don’t get a good feeling about this especially since they want him alone. Trust your gut. I have a feeling they’re up to no good. There’s been a few cases over toddlers being killed by boys around that age range so you have to question their motive.

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Spider
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those kids were definitely going to murder that baby. What I don't understand though is why would the mother be upset? And upset enough to confront op? That's what doesn't make sense. Maybe the boys told her a lie or something? But still it just doesn't explain the mom's behavior like that. But that she was so persuasive she convinced op that she was wrong for protecting her child tells me she's probably as dangerous as her son's.

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Gavin Johnson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My daughter is 11, if I thought that the two individuals were likely to lead her into trouble then I’d say no. When she was 2 I wouldn’t have even considered the consequences it would’ve been an outright no, two year old children need adult supervision, full stop, end of discussion. She’s my daughter, if I say (or indeed her Mum says) No then I don’t care what your opinion is, this ain’t up for debate, you don’t get any input.

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Lily
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's surely no good on their minds if older boys, the boys you don't even know, who really really want to play with a toddler. I'd be terrified they'd do something to the kid. I had a neighbor who at age 12 used to do malicious things to little kids, including burning their fingers with matches. Hell f*ck no, don't let them ever play alone with your 2-year-old.

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Pumpkinmom
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know people don't like to rock the boat with neighbors. I'd politely explain that you don't let anyone who hasn't gone through proper cpr and babysitting training and is at least 18 years old to be in charge of him but thanks for their interest. I'd leave out anything blaming them for potential ill behavior (even though that'd be what I was thinking) but I'd try to stay out of the focus of mischeivous kids.

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Celeste Grant
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I too thought of the James Bulgar case. Not worth the risk, you don't give your child to strangers!

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Sarah
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone else said what I was thinking. Jamie Bulger, all over.

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Laura Edwards
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I knew a kid in military housing that would pull knives on the little kids...absolutely not.

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Karin Morris
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if this woman has ever read the story about the 2 10 year old boys who took a young boy like this and killed him. Those people should be investigated.

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kat lia
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

go with your instinct, you did the right thing. why would they want hang out with a toddler? you did the right thing.

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Aleksandra
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even some adults are unfit to care for such young baby. Lately i was at the zoo with 4yo and her mom, and it was so exhausting, i was told I'm great with kids, but i knew i wouldn't be able to care for that kid if left alone for too long, as i haven't had any occasion to learn how to! And I'm 25yo! Those boys are children themselves and as they don't have such young siblings, I really doubt they would know how to care for a little baby! Ofc it doesn't even sound like they really wanted to play with him, it sounds like they thought he was the TOY....

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Gerard Majerczyk
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those two are either going to physically abuse, sexually molest, or murder your child. If you have left them alone at all, I'd suspect they may have already done something. If your description of them is even close to accurate (and I trust your observations on this), you must take every step you can to protect your baby. Trust your instincts. Never compromise on the safety of your baby just to avoid appearing "impolite". Don't be afraid to record any interactions or suspicious encounters with your camera phone. If you have to go all "Karen" on them, you do it.

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NatalieC
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For God's sake, do not leave your child unsupervised for one minute! This story gives me the creeps!

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Bobbi McGough Robert
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be very suspicious of any twelve-year-olds that intent on playing with a toddler. Especially without supervision!

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JMA_BUI
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is so damn disturbing. Boys that age wanting to be alone with a 2 year old that they don't know? That mother needs a serious adjustment. People harassing you in your home? That i will never tolerate. I'd call the cops, that's harassment.

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chanel loveless
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First thing that popped up in my mind was the Bulger murder . Not accusing, just saying. Def weird neighbors.

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SilverSkyCloud
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if she doesnt know about Jamie Bulger, i really hope she see's these comments on bp talking about this so she googles who he is, lady if you see this NEVER LEAVE YOUR CHILD ALONE ANYWHERE NEAR THEM EVEN FOR A SECOND!! THEIR MUM IS SUS TOO OTHERWISE SHE WOULDNT REACT LIKE THIS,

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ja home
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As aggressive and older as these boys are, I would definitely take steps to make sure they don't have any access to the 2 year old, in my yard or elsewhere on the property. They definitely aren't interested in playing with him as an equal.

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Curry on...
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just read bout the Jamie Bulger case. Pure horror. But I tell you were my mind went with these two boys and their mom. Would they abuse the toddler? Would they kidnap him. Are the older boys 'stolen?'

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Tina Hugh
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She should contact the police now so they can dissuade those kids from kidnapping, torturing and murdering someone else’s toddler. She sounds British, where kids that age have done exactly that and are now free and walking around with government-provided new identities. I suspect this is not real, however.

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Sharon Criscenti
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had older neighbor children want to play with my babies when they were 2 but they played in my house or yard with me having a cup of tea and watching them. Explaing the rules to the boys and their mother could have prevented this problem. The older boys may just be bored and therefore mischevious. Any sane mother should understand that you don't leave a baby/toddler alone with strangers even if they are only pre-teens.

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Paloma Trejo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those boys are probably being sexually abused, and will eventually perpetrate the abuse on someone else unless they are stopped. First call CPS to investigate the family. Then file a police report of the incident in which the mom confronted you.That way, you have a record of the issue if it escalates. Never take your eyes off of baby, and be sure that your door and window locks are secure.

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Cydney Golden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely inappropriate behavior by both the boys and their mother. But what on earth is a DP???

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Fred Jacobson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That whole family sounds crazy and up to no good. To be safe, better pre-emptively seal all their windows and doors with liquid nails while they are asleep and then douse the house with a lot of gasoline, at least 10 gallons, and torch the psychos.

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Arenite
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My siblings are 12, 13, and 14 years older than me. Hanging out with kids much older than me was normal. I get that people think of the murder of Jaime Bulger right away, but sometimes there are more ordinary explanations. But yeah, something was not right with these boys.

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Kim Lorton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

2 of 2, so do not think you are in any way, shape or form, an a** for saying no and protecting your baby’s life. That mom, sounds off her rocker also. Maybe she had her boys ask for her and she has no good intentions for the baby. Who knows, but you keep your baby close! And if that family causes problems, document what they do and say, date and time, and then take it to the constable. They will hopefully take care of it. If they are rowdy boys and cause problems, I can bet there are more complaints on them! GOOD JOB, MOM!!!

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Kim Lorton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely NOT THE A*S!! any 10-12 year olds wanting to play with a two year old, is up to no good. There is something psychologically wrong about this. Even a two go’s relative would be bored to tears in about 15 minutes! Two year olds don’t have long attention spans and dash off at a seconds notice.! So why on earth with these two boys want to “play” with your young son? Because they have something else in mind, than what we consider playing with him. It isn’t socially appropriate either. No matter how you cut this cake, it is spoiled in the center. Now, as a young girl, my sisters and I had a next door neighbors with a toddler, and we’d go over and visit IN the house, with mom and baby and us! My mom was usually there also. We wanted to learn how to babysit, and that meant paying attention to the baby, and learning how to 8 Tera t with the child. Not, “ can I play with your kid outside, and you don’t have to come”. That is pure poppycock and a dangerous situation on the edge.

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Mer☕️🧭☕️
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The older boys' mom is probably getting a hefty percentage of the child trafficking fee her li'l fam would receive for kidnapping the toddler. See also: pedophilia, child sex tapes...

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HappySquirrel
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My first thought was also of Jamie Bulger. When the mom radar goes off, you listen. It will never be wrong, trust me.

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Shashanna Prince
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speaking from experience, FOLLOW YOUR GUT AND PURE COMMON SENSE. People who mean you NO good will often try to guilt you into doing what they want ONLY to screw you over, adults and their creepy kids. They all seem suspicious to me for so many reasons. BE FIRM. THAT IS YOUR BABY. I can only imagine what they have in mind. Defend your baby at all costs.

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Kerry Watson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel like if you have to ask if you’re being unreasonable then you’re half way to giving your precious little boy who is let’s face it little more than a baby to anyone who knocks the door. Share the story by all means since it’s very strange behaviour from the boys and their mother but surely you don’t need to ask the question 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Shannon Hawks
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids are definitely up to know good. Never heard of pre-teen boys wanting to hang out with a toddler. Keep your kid away. Ignorant mother sounds like douchsebag

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Christoph
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

HER response would solidify and already solid response for me - were I the parent of the 2 YO. HELL NO. How could you expect her to raise reasonable children?

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Marion Goriak
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Creepy as all get out! And the delinquent mom is in denial about her creepy murder-minded children! For reference: Jamie Bulger was also two years old. The boys who murdered him were both ten years old.

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Krásnoočko
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know it's extreme but I actually thought about Jamie Bulger too. 😳 Older boys with behavioral problems who demand to be alone with a toddler they don't even know sound super creepy and as if they have some very bad idea of a game/prank in mind.

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staygoldponyboy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is more than creepy, it's scary. This mother should file an incident report with her local PD, just to have a record in case this situation escalates.

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Michael Largey
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And looking into what she might need for a restraining order would be another good idea.

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Deborah B
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mind went to Jamie Bulger, and I think a lot of people's did. Maybe they genuinely love children, but boys who are acting out and doing mean pranks, and want to get a toddler alone? If I was *their* mother, I would be horrified. Of course you won't let them play with him unsupervised. If they genuinely have no ill intent, and are just impatient at having to wait for the adult, then little harm was done. If they were planning some sort of prank, it could have gone so, so wrong. If they were looking for a victim, this could have been a tragedy. Certainly I would report this to other parents in the building, to make sure no one is letting small children play unwatched. It doesn't have to be 'potential Jamie Bulger' to be a danger. 'Prank requiring a small child' is also an unacceptable risk.

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E B
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, the alone part is really problematic for me. I enjoyed playing with my baby brothers when I was around that age, but that they objected to the mom wanting to be along is very creepy.

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Bill Allen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m thinking some recon would be in order. Those kids are up to something. I’m even suspicious of their mother.

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María Hermida
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! The mother's attitude is even more scary than the kids'. She is a mother, so she should know you don't just let strangers take your child anywhere. I'd say the mother is part of something sinister. Very, very, very sinister.

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Seabeast
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah... there may be a 12 year old boy somewhere who is fascinated by small children for non-nefarious reasons, but I doubt these two are. I immediately thought of Jamie Bulger as well.

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just me
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are a lot of kids, boys and girls, who want to be nurturing and the cool big kids. I see it a lot when the kids I work with have younger siblings come in at drop off and pick up. I was set to come in and say just that. The insistence on taking the child alone, and not taking no for an answer, firmly swayed me to the something's not right here side.

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P B Wilson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People are so lazy with these goofy abbreviations. Is it really saving you that much effort?!?

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Emmydearest
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm known by my friends and family for being slightly paranoid when it comes to safety and stuff but in this case I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it's quite suspicious. 12 year-olds boys usually have no interest in playing with a 2 year-old, and one thing is being at a family gathering or something and play for a while with their little cousin, another thing is to actively go to a stranger house and ask to play with a little kid they've never even met. No. Weird. Personally I'd be extra careful to leave my kid unattended, like playing by himself in the yard and I'd also try to warn him about these kids, like "do not play with them, if they ask you to go with then, don't go" and such.

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María Hermida
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can never bee too paranoid or too careful when it comes to a little kid's security. There are so many creeps out there! Better safe than sorry, you know.

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Casey Payne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even if they were genuine, which they weren't, the answer is no. I almost killed my little step brother by accidently leaving him alone on the beach because I was playing with a friend. Found him safe and I got punished. Those kids don't sound like kids. They sound like predators. And bullys. Take security measures. They will retaliate.

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Kathryn Baylis
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d put a security cam right inside my door, somewhere facing very clearly right at anyone on the outside of the door—-and invest in one that records high def videos with crystal clear audio, so there’s no question of identity or conversation—-to record the kids and their mother harassing you, just in case they manage to “charm the cop(s) who respond to your call. Harder to charm the cops if they’ve already seen your true, definitely NOT charming, self on numerous timestamped front door videos.

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Francis
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

even if the boys had no bad thoughts and would want to play with him. a toddler can't walk very long by themselves, gets irritated fast and can't concentrate that long. so even when the boys were good meaning, when they get bored or annoyed by the toddler, how big are the chances they leave the child at the spot? the other mum is just weird and stupid

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Lily Siuta
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can’t think of any legitimate reason they’d want to hang out with a two year old. That they then object to the mother coming is possibly the largest red flag on the planet. That the teens have behavioral issues only makes it seem more dubious. Like, best case scenario they want to film something for Tiktok involving vaping or other crimes or maybe demand money from the mom for babysitting. And that’s the best case

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Izzy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

EXACTLY what i was thinking. young boys actively avoid toddlers. they're too busy w friends. two teen boys interested in a toddler is weird, but a STRANGER toddler? + they have behavioural issues? + get angry at supervision bc they're dead set on taking the kid alone? nope. times a million. if they really just wanted to play, the mother's presence wouldn't be an issue. it's not impeding play. no concern for presumptuous judgement here: they had sth BAD in mind. w/o a doubt. whether it's a mild-intended "prank" (which is v likely to go wrong anyway) or sth heinous - there's no good outcome from them taking the kid. i'd be terrified and looking for new housing. the mother clearly enables them + sides w them so they have no fear of punishment. they've actually enacted their plan since they're demanding the kid and they're FIXATED. who knows how far they'd go. that kid is NOT safe. nor other kids, whom they may sub for if they can't take OPs. police NEED to be involved for everyone's sakes

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Id row
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

James Bulger vibes on this big time. And I'm sure their mother would blame the two year old somehow.

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Jane Doe
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Best case scenario is they think they can scam money from the mom for minding the baby. Every other reason is worse. There is no reason why two preteen children should be handed a toddler and told, “yeah, have fun with that.”

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S
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is gross. You'd be an idiot to let them "take him" as they put it

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Emma Starr
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a licensed therapist with 25 years of experience and all the alarms went off in my head. Good for mom for standing her ground!

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Kay Springsteen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would also make certain they never have ANY opportunity to exploit a situation so they are alone with your son. EVER. Their insistence and obvious fixation is too bizarre to ever become comfortable with them having alone time with him, even for a moment.

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Honu
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get how on earth that neighbor woman had her believing that she might be the unreasonable one. If someone shows up on my doorstep yelling and screaming, I don't take that as a sign I should substitute their judgment for my own.

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Tina Hugh
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If this is real, she could maybe benefit from therapy? How can she possibly doubt herself. She needs to talk to some local police; even if she decides not to report the boys, the police officer can give her the benefit of his/her judgment and experience. This has really got to be fake though. It’s the exact scenario for that poor toddler who was murdered

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Katy McMouse
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those two were up to no good. Honestly, if at all possible, I would try to move. Those boys will only get older and more devious. At some point her little boy will be able to play outside without constant supervision and if those two are still around (which is reasonable, considering they aren't close to 18), I wouldn't put it past them to ramp up their efforts the minute they get an opportunity. As long as they are around, this little boy (and other children) will be a target and that would scare the living helll out of me. The little one will never be able to play outside without worry and that's not fair to him. I definitely would consider breaking that lease and who knows - if the op involves the police, maybe the land lord will allow the lease to be broken or maybe he or she will have grounds to evict the demons and their parents.

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Celeste Grant
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I definitely thought about James Bulgar, and think it's pretty unnatural that two teenager bots want to play with a two year old! Keep your child safe, don't ever ignore that instinct even if it upsets others!

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CatWoman312
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t trust anyone anymore, especially other people’s kids. I don’t get a good feeling about this especially since they want him alone. Trust your gut. I have a feeling they’re up to no good. There’s been a few cases over toddlers being killed by boys around that age range so you have to question their motive.

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Spider
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those kids were definitely going to murder that baby. What I don't understand though is why would the mother be upset? And upset enough to confront op? That's what doesn't make sense. Maybe the boys told her a lie or something? But still it just doesn't explain the mom's behavior like that. But that she was so persuasive she convinced op that she was wrong for protecting her child tells me she's probably as dangerous as her son's.

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Gavin Johnson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My daughter is 11, if I thought that the two individuals were likely to lead her into trouble then I’d say no. When she was 2 I wouldn’t have even considered the consequences it would’ve been an outright no, two year old children need adult supervision, full stop, end of discussion. She’s my daughter, if I say (or indeed her Mum says) No then I don’t care what your opinion is, this ain’t up for debate, you don’t get any input.

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Lily
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's surely no good on their minds if older boys, the boys you don't even know, who really really want to play with a toddler. I'd be terrified they'd do something to the kid. I had a neighbor who at age 12 used to do malicious things to little kids, including burning their fingers with matches. Hell f*ck no, don't let them ever play alone with your 2-year-old.

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Pumpkinmom
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know people don't like to rock the boat with neighbors. I'd politely explain that you don't let anyone who hasn't gone through proper cpr and babysitting training and is at least 18 years old to be in charge of him but thanks for their interest. I'd leave out anything blaming them for potential ill behavior (even though that'd be what I was thinking) but I'd try to stay out of the focus of mischeivous kids.

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Celeste Grant
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I too thought of the James Bulgar case. Not worth the risk, you don't give your child to strangers!

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Sarah
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone else said what I was thinking. Jamie Bulger, all over.

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Laura Edwards
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I knew a kid in military housing that would pull knives on the little kids...absolutely not.

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Karin Morris
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if this woman has ever read the story about the 2 10 year old boys who took a young boy like this and killed him. Those people should be investigated.

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kat lia
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

go with your instinct, you did the right thing. why would they want hang out with a toddler? you did the right thing.

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Aleksandra
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even some adults are unfit to care for such young baby. Lately i was at the zoo with 4yo and her mom, and it was so exhausting, i was told I'm great with kids, but i knew i wouldn't be able to care for that kid if left alone for too long, as i haven't had any occasion to learn how to! And I'm 25yo! Those boys are children themselves and as they don't have such young siblings, I really doubt they would know how to care for a little baby! Ofc it doesn't even sound like they really wanted to play with him, it sounds like they thought he was the TOY....

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Gerard Majerczyk
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those two are either going to physically abuse, sexually molest, or murder your child. If you have left them alone at all, I'd suspect they may have already done something. If your description of them is even close to accurate (and I trust your observations on this), you must take every step you can to protect your baby. Trust your instincts. Never compromise on the safety of your baby just to avoid appearing "impolite". Don't be afraid to record any interactions or suspicious encounters with your camera phone. If you have to go all "Karen" on them, you do it.

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NatalieC
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For God's sake, do not leave your child unsupervised for one minute! This story gives me the creeps!

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Bobbi McGough Robert
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be very suspicious of any twelve-year-olds that intent on playing with a toddler. Especially without supervision!

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JMA_BUI
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is so damn disturbing. Boys that age wanting to be alone with a 2 year old that they don't know? That mother needs a serious adjustment. People harassing you in your home? That i will never tolerate. I'd call the cops, that's harassment.

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chanel loveless
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First thing that popped up in my mind was the Bulger murder . Not accusing, just saying. Def weird neighbors.

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SilverSkyCloud
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if she doesnt know about Jamie Bulger, i really hope she see's these comments on bp talking about this so she googles who he is, lady if you see this NEVER LEAVE YOUR CHILD ALONE ANYWHERE NEAR THEM EVEN FOR A SECOND!! THEIR MUM IS SUS TOO OTHERWISE SHE WOULDNT REACT LIKE THIS,

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ja home
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As aggressive and older as these boys are, I would definitely take steps to make sure they don't have any access to the 2 year old, in my yard or elsewhere on the property. They definitely aren't interested in playing with him as an equal.

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Curry on...
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just read bout the Jamie Bulger case. Pure horror. But I tell you were my mind went with these two boys and their mom. Would they abuse the toddler? Would they kidnap him. Are the older boys 'stolen?'

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Tina Hugh
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She should contact the police now so they can dissuade those kids from kidnapping, torturing and murdering someone else’s toddler. She sounds British, where kids that age have done exactly that and are now free and walking around with government-provided new identities. I suspect this is not real, however.

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Sharon Criscenti
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had older neighbor children want to play with my babies when they were 2 but they played in my house or yard with me having a cup of tea and watching them. Explaing the rules to the boys and their mother could have prevented this problem. The older boys may just be bored and therefore mischevious. Any sane mother should understand that you don't leave a baby/toddler alone with strangers even if they are only pre-teens.

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Paloma Trejo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those boys are probably being sexually abused, and will eventually perpetrate the abuse on someone else unless they are stopped. First call CPS to investigate the family. Then file a police report of the incident in which the mom confronted you.That way, you have a record of the issue if it escalates. Never take your eyes off of baby, and be sure that your door and window locks are secure.

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Cydney Golden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely inappropriate behavior by both the boys and their mother. But what on earth is a DP???

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Fred Jacobson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That whole family sounds crazy and up to no good. To be safe, better pre-emptively seal all their windows and doors with liquid nails while they are asleep and then douse the house with a lot of gasoline, at least 10 gallons, and torch the psychos.

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Arenite
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My siblings are 12, 13, and 14 years older than me. Hanging out with kids much older than me was normal. I get that people think of the murder of Jaime Bulger right away, but sometimes there are more ordinary explanations. But yeah, something was not right with these boys.

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Kim Lorton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

2 of 2, so do not think you are in any way, shape or form, an a** for saying no and protecting your baby’s life. That mom, sounds off her rocker also. Maybe she had her boys ask for her and she has no good intentions for the baby. Who knows, but you keep your baby close! And if that family causes problems, document what they do and say, date and time, and then take it to the constable. They will hopefully take care of it. If they are rowdy boys and cause problems, I can bet there are more complaints on them! GOOD JOB, MOM!!!

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Kim Lorton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely NOT THE A*S!! any 10-12 year olds wanting to play with a two year old, is up to no good. There is something psychologically wrong about this. Even a two go’s relative would be bored to tears in about 15 minutes! Two year olds don’t have long attention spans and dash off at a seconds notice.! So why on earth with these two boys want to “play” with your young son? Because they have something else in mind, than what we consider playing with him. It isn’t socially appropriate either. No matter how you cut this cake, it is spoiled in the center. Now, as a young girl, my sisters and I had a next door neighbors with a toddler, and we’d go over and visit IN the house, with mom and baby and us! My mom was usually there also. We wanted to learn how to babysit, and that meant paying attention to the baby, and learning how to 8 Tera t with the child. Not, “ can I play with your kid outside, and you don’t have to come”. That is pure poppycock and a dangerous situation on the edge.

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Mer☕️🧭☕️
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The older boys' mom is probably getting a hefty percentage of the child trafficking fee her li'l fam would receive for kidnapping the toddler. See also: pedophilia, child sex tapes...

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HappySquirrel
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My first thought was also of Jamie Bulger. When the mom radar goes off, you listen. It will never be wrong, trust me.

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Shashanna Prince
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speaking from experience, FOLLOW YOUR GUT AND PURE COMMON SENSE. People who mean you NO good will often try to guilt you into doing what they want ONLY to screw you over, adults and their creepy kids. They all seem suspicious to me for so many reasons. BE FIRM. THAT IS YOUR BABY. I can only imagine what they have in mind. Defend your baby at all costs.

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Kerry Watson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel like if you have to ask if you’re being unreasonable then you’re half way to giving your precious little boy who is let’s face it little more than a baby to anyone who knocks the door. Share the story by all means since it’s very strange behaviour from the boys and their mother but surely you don’t need to ask the question 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Shannon Hawks
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids are definitely up to know good. Never heard of pre-teen boys wanting to hang out with a toddler. Keep your kid away. Ignorant mother sounds like douchsebag

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Christoph
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

HER response would solidify and already solid response for me - were I the parent of the 2 YO. HELL NO. How could you expect her to raise reasonable children?

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Marion Goriak
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Creepy as all get out! And the delinquent mom is in denial about her creepy murder-minded children! For reference: Jamie Bulger was also two years old. The boys who murdered him were both ten years old.

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