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Family Divided After Mom Tells Pregnant Daughter She And Her Husband Will Not Raise The Baby
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Family Divided After Mom Tells Pregnant Daughter She And Her Husband Will Not Raise The Baby

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Your parents won’t always be there for you. At some point, you just have to take responsibility for yourself. But one woman still hasn’t figured this out—despite being in her 30s.

Last week, Reddit user BadGrandmother submitted a post to the popular ‘Am I the [Jerk]?‘ community, asking its members to share their take on a recent conflict the woman had with her pregnant daughter.

It basically revolves around the two of them disagreeing on who should raise the baby, but that’s me oversimplifying the situation; everything’s much more nuanced. So continue scrolling to read what happened and give your take in the comments.

A woman expected her mom and dad to spend their retirement raising her child

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But they refused to do it and now the whole family is torn apart





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More grandparents than ever are being put in a position like Kelly’s folks, becoming full-time parents again, often with fewer resources and more health problems than they had the first time around. Or in this particular case, the second.

The arrangement is not new, of course—people raised by grandparents for at least part of their childhood include Maya Angelou, Carol Burnett, and two former presidents, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama, but nowadays it’s simply more common than ever.

The proportion of children living in grandfamilies has doubled in the U.S. since 1970—an increase some experts attribute to the opioid crisis.

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About 3 percent of American children live apart from their parents, and of those, nearly two-thirds are being raised by grandparents.

Some 2.6 million grandparents are raising their grandchildren, either because of a temporary change in circumstance for the parents, such as military deployment or joblessness, or something more lasting and terrible, including mental illness, divorce, incarceration, and substance abuse.

Kelly thinks it’s no big deal, but raising grandchildren can take a huge toll on grandparents: higher-than-normal rates of depression, sleeplessness, emotional problems, and chronic health problems like hypertension and diabetes; feelings of exhaustion, loneliness, and isolation; a sense of having too little privacy, and too little time to spend with their spouses, friends, and other family members. Not a bouquet you’d like to receive at the later stages of your life.

Reportedly, there’s a disproportionately high rate of poverty among grandparents raising grandchildren, and more than 40 percent report having economic or social-service needs—for themselves or, more often, their grandchildren—that are unmet.

I don’t know about you, but I think there’s no question that Kelly is the one who is being totally unreasonable here.

Here’s the discussion that followed the confession


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Mary Rogers
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since this woman brought up such an unreasonable expectation at a public occasion, then I see no reason why the grandparents could not also respond at that point. Had it merely been hinting that she might want her parents to raise the child, as it appeared to be in the first description, then I would have waited to discuss it privately. Basically this woman has no shame, she brought the embarrassment on herself by making her expectations known publicly. I do feel sorry for the granddaughter, who was caught in the middle of all of this.

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Kayla J
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am so horribly confused by Kelly's brain. She seems to be so excited about the birth announcement but also doesn't seem to even plan on raising the child at all. It's like she feels she is gifting her parents another child when they didn't even ask for one?

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Mary Rogers
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I suspect the "excitement" is for show. What she really wanted was to put her parents on the spot where they would have to publicly commit to raising the child, or risk looking bad. Of course, she only made herself look bad instead.

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Jane Thorne-Gutierrez
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. Their daughter is a mess. So glad their granddaughter is not, thanks to them. They did and said the same as I would have. I think if they do have the baby, I would contact child protective services because they are completely irresponsible and if they keep that child, it will be a tragedy waiting to happen. The less contact with them, the better for all concerned.

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Night Owl
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would contact child protective services too. They should at least keep an eye on the family if Kelly decides to have the child and then decides to not put it up for adoption

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Agfox
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a friend in a similar situation. She divorced her husband when they were both in their late 60's, moved out into her own house on the other side of the city. Their 2 adult daughters sided with their Dad & were constantly criticising her for the divorce & asking her to reconcile with him but she refused. One of the daughters, who was single, ended up buying her own house not far from where my friend lived. The daughter decided to go to Uni as a mature age student & while there met a guy who'd been married & divorced twice & had 3 kids. She married him, he moved in with her & they had a child within the year. They were both still at Uni & the daughter decided her Mother would be happy to babysit several days a week. My friend, now in her 70's with an active life of her own, declined & was called 'selfish' & harassed for months but did not budge. Could not believe the daughter's audacity given how she treated my friend before & after my friend's divorce

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LongCoolWomanInABlackDress
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Happy to hear that your mother had a good, active life and did not let her entitled daughter guiltshame her into babysitting. I imagine she was not allowed to see her grandchild since she refused to babysit? Wouldn't surprise me if her daughter would have reacted this way

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just me
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Careful. You said no, she might try to get Opal to raise the baby next.

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Katie Lutesinger
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you don't want to take care of a kid, then DON'T HAVE A KID. It's not rocket surgery, for Pete's sake. (And it's not as if this selfish twit is being pressured out of an abortion either - by the sound of it she just plain doesn't care about anyone but herself).

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Lyone Fein
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is something seriously wrong with Kelly's understanding of reality. What has she been doing for the past 16 years? Has she made any financial contributions to her daughter's care? How has she avoided getting pregnant all these years? Why is she pregnant now? So many questions.

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Lyn Moffett
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poor Opal and also poor grandparents being put on the spot that way. Your 33 year old daughter is extremely selfish and immature. You MUST stand your ground about the raising of this new baby. Your daughter should go in for sterilisation as she has no love to give a baby. She's thinking only of her own life while expecting you and your husband to raise yet another one of her cast offs!! She seems to think giving birth to a child ends her responsibility,, I have no doubt you will love this new child but you must stand your ground. Someone mentioned social services,, that's an idea,, although I have a strange feeling your daughter will end up losing this child to them as she has no care for anyone other than herself, I have a feeling you and your husband could very well end up raisi

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Lyn Moffett
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Part 2 of message. Husband will end up raising this new baby rather than see it put in care. What about the boyfriends parents? Bet your daughter doesn't expect them to put their lives on hold. It sounds like she resents the love and affection that you gave Opal and she is an awful person for how she treated her child. I can't call her Opals mother,, she was just Opals incubator as she never lost one nights sleep for Opal nor changed one diaper. My heart goes out to you all. Stand your ground. Your daughter is the extreme a""hole in this situation. Would love to know how this turns out.

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Tami
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents shoud have had a talk with Kelly after they ended up raising Opal. "Understand this: We are NOT raising another child of yours. If you have another baby you don't want, then plan on giving it up for adoption." May not have prevented her from getting pregnant, but at least she'd know where they stood beforehand.

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Amy Taylor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly sounds like a classic narcissist. I felt guilty when I asked my then 64 year old dad to watch my babies. I have a friend who was raised by her grandparents along with her sister since their mom was very much like Kelly and would rather live her life than take care of her daughters. Then the younger sister became a mess herself and the grandmother ended up raising her great granddaughter as well. It was a lot for her.

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SilverSkyCloud
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

wow have kelly and her bf never heard of birth control or condoms? or better yet, sterilization or abstinence?

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Alma Muminovic
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA and no offense intended but Kelly needs to look into having her tubes tied or something. She’s not thinking straight. 🤯

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Wang Zhuang
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, Kelly should be responsible for her own children. Loving your grandchildren and raising your grandchildren are not the same thing. However...I think they could've taken her aside and spoke to her rather than create a scene in front of the family

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Mary Spahr
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stick to your guns. Adult children have no right to expect that her parents will raise her children.

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H M
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My dad said my mum wouldn't help with my baby. No kidding! I had no intention of such a thing. Moved in with partner, stayed until his death 43 years later. I was in my teens. 33 yr old??!!! About time she grew up

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Random Anon
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Entitled c**t should've had her tubes tied after the first knockup. 'Nuff said.

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Katieathome
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly is a POS. Bottom line. She has no business having children.

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Amber.exe (She/They)
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because you could raise Opal doesn't mean you can raise another one. You helped her because she was still in high school but even after she never took care of her. She expects just to dump the children she wants onto you because she can't grow up and take care of the baby herself

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LynzCatastrophe
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly isn't a mother, she's an older sister. I don't know what the circumstances were for Opals conception but Kelly's brain seems to have paused on that development at 16. What was going through her head for baby number 2?! Did she not use birth control? Or just figure that if she got knocked up that her parents would take over? Stand your ground grandparents, and as much as it may hurt, do not ever hold the baby or even see it, because the moment she sees that the baby in your company, she'll use that time to vanish. And Kelly is definitely a jerk for also taking away Opals moment. She made it all about herself, she invited everyone to know her business by putting you on the spot like that.

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Lizzie Lola
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was 20 (29 the second) when my first son was born and will be eternally grateful for all of my parents help. I can not begin to IMAGINE not only LEAVING my son to be raised by them, but then EXPECTING them to both adopt and be GRATEFUL for, a second baby 16 years later! The utter audacity is appalling.

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BadCat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, much of these are personal family issues that don't need public validation. Usually posts are after the fact, and nothing can be reversed. They just want to hear how right they are. It's questionable how much these people are indulging and what they are omitting. Wouldn't surprise me if a good majority lie, or fabricate the whole story.

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Karastin Collins
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since the selfish daughter told it upon herself to divert from the occasion to make it about her, the mother/parents were okay in how they responded. And I totally agree with their stance on not raising her baby. It's time she became an adult and deal with adult situation. Stand firm parents. Put an end to her entitlements

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Patti Vance
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my son's wife passed when his son was only 3 mos old. son was 21 at the time. he came home to live w/us and we helped out a lot. we eventually moved & got a house w/an apt upstairs. this allowed us to help but have his own home. but, when he got a job a distance away we had to discuss his son. finally agreed that he would stay w/us as it was only home(s) he had known (he was 4 at the time) as well as not knowing of adequate child care where he was working. he always was home on the weekends and been a part of his life as much as he could. fast forward 13 yrs & he eventually remarried. he has a son now 7. we are very close to the point that he lives next door but they live their lives independently. due to health issues i feel bad i can't give as much attention as i did the first child. i have never considered him an absent parent. but, the daughter in this story is very much an absent parent and her folks are on point for putting their foot down.

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Rosie Cat
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm hoping that Kelly doesn't try to pass the child onto Opal. It will start as coming over to watch the baby for an hour or two, then a day, then a weekend, and before you know it, she would have sucked the life and dreams out of Opal. Kelly is a leech and needs to be treated as such. I do feel badly for the new baby. He/she is being born to shi**y parents. I also don't like the way she called an adopted baby a "throw away". Such a gross way of framing things. I hope that Kelly and her boyfriend will get it together. Perhaps someone on the boyfriend's side of the family will take the baby.

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Camo Pena
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly is a vile person. I hope her baby is put up for adoption and Kelly should absolutely be sterilized.

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Ele V
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, this is anther level. I wonder what makes the grandmother doubting the fact that she's 100% right on this...

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Bored Turtle Princess
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most likely, family members. but they are also your grandchild, why won't you raise them , it's sooooo unfair to the new baby, they will think their grandparents don't love them, etc." Many people start doubting their decision after multiple family members start saying such things. No matter how right their decision is, words can make people doubt it.

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Pat Ferryman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t agree with some of these people. My daughter go pg at 15 0r 16. After she had the baby I stayed home for her to go to school. Once she quit school I was done. She wanted to go with friend we said get a sitter I had the baby all day. I raised mine she has raised hers you are NTA

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Zoe Duddle
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I felt sure this was going to be that Opal was pregnant which would have been a very sticky situation as she would be too young (same as Kelly was) to raise a baby without support, but as she lived with grandparents it would be clear that Kelly wouldn’t help. This is much easier to say no to.

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Arenite
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now see how fast she comes asking for money to pay for an abortion.

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Brenda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm 56 & watching 8mo grandson for 3 to 5 hours wears me out

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Katinka Min
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Usually, I would say theyy should have cleared that privately, butm, hey, if Kelly does a public announcement that she expects her parents to raise another of her children, she can't be surprised if the publicly refuse. And for Godssake, give the child to someone who really wants one.

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Izzy Curer
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe I'm just too much of an Ah in general, but I don't get why people are saying it's inappropriate that Op addressed Kelly in front of everybody. Kelly was the one who brought it up in front of everybody. Op might as well make it clear to all these people that she's not actually going to be raising this kid, because I assume they're going to be around sometime once the baby is born. It's not like it's going to be some secret. Speaking up and being direct don't automatically mean 'rude'. I imagine this was said with a smile. I imagine Op was happy for Kelly when she said, "Congratulations, but no, we're not doing that." Obviously Op was so baffled that there should be any opposition to this in the first place that she didn't realize there would even be an issue. Kelly made it an issue with her unusual expectation, not Op

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Tamara Horyza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well the people bit hing about your bluntness feel free to step in and raise her kid

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Lorrie Rothstein
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What kind of a life does she and her boyfriend have? Why sre they too busy to raise a baby?

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ZeroCapacity
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Doesn't surprise me any. I know a woman eight now whose son is in thirties and has a 4 year old. She is sixty and both of the kids parents EXPECT her to raise him. Dad goes fishing she has the kid, mom wants a break she has the kid. My view is if you are old wnough to have it you are old enough to raise it. Period.

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Troy Parr
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's consider this. If Opal got pregnant at 16 as her mother did. Would Kelly step up and help raise Opal's child? Doesn't look at all likely does it. I'm sure Opal will realize that she could (or would?) have to manage on her own, and not just for a pregnancy either. For any major crisis, or important situation, or time of huge stress. Opal must know that she could not count on Kelly for much help. Opal is going to have to learn to cope and manage for herself. Obviously when Opal gets a partner that changes things (hopefully for the better) but even so, it's quite a wake-up call for Opal at 16.

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Miguel justino C
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This should be titled “my daughter is mentally ill and reproducing, what do I do”

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Octavia Hansen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Something bothers me about these grandparents raised this woman and did not instill any sense of responsibility for the years they had her growing up, nor for the years they apparently raised their granddaughter. And NOW they expect her to have control over her life and like a Disney film she's gonna see the light? The time has come and gone, the train did not stop at that station. If something has not changed by now, it's very unlikely that any of this family will mature in the few months this news has broken. Maybe they were helping too much? The kid didn't have to grow up, so she didn't. And grandkid is seeing this play out in front of her life. History repeats. This family is not going to change, even if the dust ever settles on this nasty bit of confrontation. Best of luck -- everyone here needs it!

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BadCat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to agree. I was a teen mom, myself, and, yeah my mom helped out a bit but she was militant on making sure I was depending as much on myself as reasonably possible, and helping out with the house. She also made it clear, and my bf's parents made it clear, they were not babysitting or being left alone with their granddaughter until she's able to sleep the night. The rare occasions they would take her was only for a couple hours and that's it. Not that I wanted them to raise our daughter, anyways. It was just made clear to us. So when a another teen mom gets this "privilege" of skipping her parental duties and the grandparents just taking over just like that I wonder, too, how the young mom got the idea that was even an option.

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Layna Sadler
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, it honestly sounds like this Kelly has a personality disorder or something. Not being present as a parent is one thing, but parading this fact in Public and expecting others to take responsibility for her actions is staggering levels of a*holery

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BadCat
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, however I have to wonder what happened with Kelly and her parents, that makes Kelly think she can have kids and make her parents raise them. Seems their granddaughter is well-raised by them. There are things not mentioned, the grandparents are adamant they've made the best decision for themselves, so what do they care what other people think? They have nothing positive to say about Kelly, and don't seem concerned about her and her decisions.

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Kyle D
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Family divided" means extended family I would assume. Does the non-Eddy-Eddy's-Wife-Kelly-Opal family know the situation? Surely they can't think the grands are Opal's parents so they must know Kelly abandoned Opal to Eddy & wife's care & has given up parentage. If I were the Uncle, I would already be on the grandparent's side because I would already know how self-centered and irresponsible Kelly was. Perhaps irresponsible isn't the right word, after all she's 33 and apparently only been pregnant twice. Either she uses protection or has only had sex two times.

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Dizzie D
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What a piece of work this Kelly is. However, the grandparents themselves have brought up an extremely entitled and selfish woman. They have obviously enabled, over the years, her to be like this by just accepting her irresponsible behaviour. I agree with what they said (finally telling her where to go) but for her to even think it's perfectly fine for them to solely raise another child of hers is way out there crazy. They have not been strong enough with this woman in the past.

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AzKhaleesi
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I can not wrap my head around how you raise two people and the granddaughter came out well rounded but your actual daughter did not. What happened???

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Ellen Ranks
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes a kid just turns out bad whatever you do. There are more families with 1 "bad apple".

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The parents will cave. How could you not love your own family

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Mary Rogers
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since this woman brought up such an unreasonable expectation at a public occasion, then I see no reason why the grandparents could not also respond at that point. Had it merely been hinting that she might want her parents to raise the child, as it appeared to be in the first description, then I would have waited to discuss it privately. Basically this woman has no shame, she brought the embarrassment on herself by making her expectations known publicly. I do feel sorry for the granddaughter, who was caught in the middle of all of this.

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Kayla J
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am so horribly confused by Kelly's brain. She seems to be so excited about the birth announcement but also doesn't seem to even plan on raising the child at all. It's like she feels she is gifting her parents another child when they didn't even ask for one?

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Mary Rogers
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I suspect the "excitement" is for show. What she really wanted was to put her parents on the spot where they would have to publicly commit to raising the child, or risk looking bad. Of course, she only made herself look bad instead.

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Jane Thorne-Gutierrez
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. Their daughter is a mess. So glad their granddaughter is not, thanks to them. They did and said the same as I would have. I think if they do have the baby, I would contact child protective services because they are completely irresponsible and if they keep that child, it will be a tragedy waiting to happen. The less contact with them, the better for all concerned.

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Night Owl
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would contact child protective services too. They should at least keep an eye on the family if Kelly decides to have the child and then decides to not put it up for adoption

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Agfox
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a friend in a similar situation. She divorced her husband when they were both in their late 60's, moved out into her own house on the other side of the city. Their 2 adult daughters sided with their Dad & were constantly criticising her for the divorce & asking her to reconcile with him but she refused. One of the daughters, who was single, ended up buying her own house not far from where my friend lived. The daughter decided to go to Uni as a mature age student & while there met a guy who'd been married & divorced twice & had 3 kids. She married him, he moved in with her & they had a child within the year. They were both still at Uni & the daughter decided her Mother would be happy to babysit several days a week. My friend, now in her 70's with an active life of her own, declined & was called 'selfish' & harassed for months but did not budge. Could not believe the daughter's audacity given how she treated my friend before & after my friend's divorce

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LongCoolWomanInABlackDress
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Happy to hear that your mother had a good, active life and did not let her entitled daughter guiltshame her into babysitting. I imagine she was not allowed to see her grandchild since she refused to babysit? Wouldn't surprise me if her daughter would have reacted this way

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just me
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Careful. You said no, she might try to get Opal to raise the baby next.

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Katie Lutesinger
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you don't want to take care of a kid, then DON'T HAVE A KID. It's not rocket surgery, for Pete's sake. (And it's not as if this selfish twit is being pressured out of an abortion either - by the sound of it she just plain doesn't care about anyone but herself).

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Lyone Fein
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is something seriously wrong with Kelly's understanding of reality. What has she been doing for the past 16 years? Has she made any financial contributions to her daughter's care? How has she avoided getting pregnant all these years? Why is she pregnant now? So many questions.

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Lyn Moffett
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poor Opal and also poor grandparents being put on the spot that way. Your 33 year old daughter is extremely selfish and immature. You MUST stand your ground about the raising of this new baby. Your daughter should go in for sterilisation as she has no love to give a baby. She's thinking only of her own life while expecting you and your husband to raise yet another one of her cast offs!! She seems to think giving birth to a child ends her responsibility,, I have no doubt you will love this new child but you must stand your ground. Someone mentioned social services,, that's an idea,, although I have a strange feeling your daughter will end up losing this child to them as she has no care for anyone other than herself, I have a feeling you and your husband could very well end up raisi

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Lyn Moffett
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Part 2 of message. Husband will end up raising this new baby rather than see it put in care. What about the boyfriends parents? Bet your daughter doesn't expect them to put their lives on hold. It sounds like she resents the love and affection that you gave Opal and she is an awful person for how she treated her child. I can't call her Opals mother,, she was just Opals incubator as she never lost one nights sleep for Opal nor changed one diaper. My heart goes out to you all. Stand your ground. Your daughter is the extreme a""hole in this situation. Would love to know how this turns out.

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Tami
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents shoud have had a talk with Kelly after they ended up raising Opal. "Understand this: We are NOT raising another child of yours. If you have another baby you don't want, then plan on giving it up for adoption." May not have prevented her from getting pregnant, but at least she'd know where they stood beforehand.

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Amy Taylor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly sounds like a classic narcissist. I felt guilty when I asked my then 64 year old dad to watch my babies. I have a friend who was raised by her grandparents along with her sister since their mom was very much like Kelly and would rather live her life than take care of her daughters. Then the younger sister became a mess herself and the grandmother ended up raising her great granddaughter as well. It was a lot for her.

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SilverSkyCloud
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

wow have kelly and her bf never heard of birth control or condoms? or better yet, sterilization or abstinence?

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Alma Muminovic
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA and no offense intended but Kelly needs to look into having her tubes tied or something. She’s not thinking straight. 🤯

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Wang Zhuang
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, Kelly should be responsible for her own children. Loving your grandchildren and raising your grandchildren are not the same thing. However...I think they could've taken her aside and spoke to her rather than create a scene in front of the family

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Mary Spahr
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stick to your guns. Adult children have no right to expect that her parents will raise her children.

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H M
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My dad said my mum wouldn't help with my baby. No kidding! I had no intention of such a thing. Moved in with partner, stayed until his death 43 years later. I was in my teens. 33 yr old??!!! About time she grew up

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Random Anon
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Entitled c**t should've had her tubes tied after the first knockup. 'Nuff said.

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Katieathome
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly is a POS. Bottom line. She has no business having children.

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Amber.exe (She/They)
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because you could raise Opal doesn't mean you can raise another one. You helped her because she was still in high school but even after she never took care of her. She expects just to dump the children she wants onto you because she can't grow up and take care of the baby herself

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LynzCatastrophe
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly isn't a mother, she's an older sister. I don't know what the circumstances were for Opals conception but Kelly's brain seems to have paused on that development at 16. What was going through her head for baby number 2?! Did she not use birth control? Or just figure that if she got knocked up that her parents would take over? Stand your ground grandparents, and as much as it may hurt, do not ever hold the baby or even see it, because the moment she sees that the baby in your company, she'll use that time to vanish. And Kelly is definitely a jerk for also taking away Opals moment. She made it all about herself, she invited everyone to know her business by putting you on the spot like that.

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Lizzie Lola
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was 20 (29 the second) when my first son was born and will be eternally grateful for all of my parents help. I can not begin to IMAGINE not only LEAVING my son to be raised by them, but then EXPECTING them to both adopt and be GRATEFUL for, a second baby 16 years later! The utter audacity is appalling.

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BadCat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, much of these are personal family issues that don't need public validation. Usually posts are after the fact, and nothing can be reversed. They just want to hear how right they are. It's questionable how much these people are indulging and what they are omitting. Wouldn't surprise me if a good majority lie, or fabricate the whole story.

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Karastin Collins
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since the selfish daughter told it upon herself to divert from the occasion to make it about her, the mother/parents were okay in how they responded. And I totally agree with their stance on not raising her baby. It's time she became an adult and deal with adult situation. Stand firm parents. Put an end to her entitlements

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Patti Vance
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my son's wife passed when his son was only 3 mos old. son was 21 at the time. he came home to live w/us and we helped out a lot. we eventually moved & got a house w/an apt upstairs. this allowed us to help but have his own home. but, when he got a job a distance away we had to discuss his son. finally agreed that he would stay w/us as it was only home(s) he had known (he was 4 at the time) as well as not knowing of adequate child care where he was working. he always was home on the weekends and been a part of his life as much as he could. fast forward 13 yrs & he eventually remarried. he has a son now 7. we are very close to the point that he lives next door but they live their lives independently. due to health issues i feel bad i can't give as much attention as i did the first child. i have never considered him an absent parent. but, the daughter in this story is very much an absent parent and her folks are on point for putting their foot down.

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Rosie Cat
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm hoping that Kelly doesn't try to pass the child onto Opal. It will start as coming over to watch the baby for an hour or two, then a day, then a weekend, and before you know it, she would have sucked the life and dreams out of Opal. Kelly is a leech and needs to be treated as such. I do feel badly for the new baby. He/she is being born to shi**y parents. I also don't like the way she called an adopted baby a "throw away". Such a gross way of framing things. I hope that Kelly and her boyfriend will get it together. Perhaps someone on the boyfriend's side of the family will take the baby.

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Camo Pena
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly is a vile person. I hope her baby is put up for adoption and Kelly should absolutely be sterilized.

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Ele V
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, this is anther level. I wonder what makes the grandmother doubting the fact that she's 100% right on this...

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Bored Turtle Princess
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most likely, family members. but they are also your grandchild, why won't you raise them , it's sooooo unfair to the new baby, they will think their grandparents don't love them, etc." Many people start doubting their decision after multiple family members start saying such things. No matter how right their decision is, words can make people doubt it.

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Pat Ferryman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t agree with some of these people. My daughter go pg at 15 0r 16. After she had the baby I stayed home for her to go to school. Once she quit school I was done. She wanted to go with friend we said get a sitter I had the baby all day. I raised mine she has raised hers you are NTA

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Zoe Duddle
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I felt sure this was going to be that Opal was pregnant which would have been a very sticky situation as she would be too young (same as Kelly was) to raise a baby without support, but as she lived with grandparents it would be clear that Kelly wouldn’t help. This is much easier to say no to.

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Arenite
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now see how fast she comes asking for money to pay for an abortion.

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Brenda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm 56 & watching 8mo grandson for 3 to 5 hours wears me out

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Katinka Min
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Usually, I would say theyy should have cleared that privately, butm, hey, if Kelly does a public announcement that she expects her parents to raise another of her children, she can't be surprised if the publicly refuse. And for Godssake, give the child to someone who really wants one.

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Izzy Curer
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe I'm just too much of an Ah in general, but I don't get why people are saying it's inappropriate that Op addressed Kelly in front of everybody. Kelly was the one who brought it up in front of everybody. Op might as well make it clear to all these people that she's not actually going to be raising this kid, because I assume they're going to be around sometime once the baby is born. It's not like it's going to be some secret. Speaking up and being direct don't automatically mean 'rude'. I imagine this was said with a smile. I imagine Op was happy for Kelly when she said, "Congratulations, but no, we're not doing that." Obviously Op was so baffled that there should be any opposition to this in the first place that she didn't realize there would even be an issue. Kelly made it an issue with her unusual expectation, not Op

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Tamara Horyza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well the people bit hing about your bluntness feel free to step in and raise her kid

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Lorrie Rothstein
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What kind of a life does she and her boyfriend have? Why sre they too busy to raise a baby?

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ZeroCapacity
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Doesn't surprise me any. I know a woman eight now whose son is in thirties and has a 4 year old. She is sixty and both of the kids parents EXPECT her to raise him. Dad goes fishing she has the kid, mom wants a break she has the kid. My view is if you are old wnough to have it you are old enough to raise it. Period.

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Troy Parr
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's consider this. If Opal got pregnant at 16 as her mother did. Would Kelly step up and help raise Opal's child? Doesn't look at all likely does it. I'm sure Opal will realize that she could (or would?) have to manage on her own, and not just for a pregnancy either. For any major crisis, or important situation, or time of huge stress. Opal must know that she could not count on Kelly for much help. Opal is going to have to learn to cope and manage for herself. Obviously when Opal gets a partner that changes things (hopefully for the better) but even so, it's quite a wake-up call for Opal at 16.

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Miguel justino C
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This should be titled “my daughter is mentally ill and reproducing, what do I do”

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Octavia Hansen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Something bothers me about these grandparents raised this woman and did not instill any sense of responsibility for the years they had her growing up, nor for the years they apparently raised their granddaughter. And NOW they expect her to have control over her life and like a Disney film she's gonna see the light? The time has come and gone, the train did not stop at that station. If something has not changed by now, it's very unlikely that any of this family will mature in the few months this news has broken. Maybe they were helping too much? The kid didn't have to grow up, so she didn't. And grandkid is seeing this play out in front of her life. History repeats. This family is not going to change, even if the dust ever settles on this nasty bit of confrontation. Best of luck -- everyone here needs it!

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BadCat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to agree. I was a teen mom, myself, and, yeah my mom helped out a bit but she was militant on making sure I was depending as much on myself as reasonably possible, and helping out with the house. She also made it clear, and my bf's parents made it clear, they were not babysitting or being left alone with their granddaughter until she's able to sleep the night. The rare occasions they would take her was only for a couple hours and that's it. Not that I wanted them to raise our daughter, anyways. It was just made clear to us. So when a another teen mom gets this "privilege" of skipping her parental duties and the grandparents just taking over just like that I wonder, too, how the young mom got the idea that was even an option.

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Layna Sadler
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, it honestly sounds like this Kelly has a personality disorder or something. Not being present as a parent is one thing, but parading this fact in Public and expecting others to take responsibility for her actions is staggering levels of a*holery

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BadCat
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, however I have to wonder what happened with Kelly and her parents, that makes Kelly think she can have kids and make her parents raise them. Seems their granddaughter is well-raised by them. There are things not mentioned, the grandparents are adamant they've made the best decision for themselves, so what do they care what other people think? They have nothing positive to say about Kelly, and don't seem concerned about her and her decisions.

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Kyle D
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Family divided" means extended family I would assume. Does the non-Eddy-Eddy's-Wife-Kelly-Opal family know the situation? Surely they can't think the grands are Opal's parents so they must know Kelly abandoned Opal to Eddy & wife's care & has given up parentage. If I were the Uncle, I would already be on the grandparent's side because I would already know how self-centered and irresponsible Kelly was. Perhaps irresponsible isn't the right word, after all she's 33 and apparently only been pregnant twice. Either she uses protection or has only had sex two times.

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Dizzie D
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What a piece of work this Kelly is. However, the grandparents themselves have brought up an extremely entitled and selfish woman. They have obviously enabled, over the years, her to be like this by just accepting her irresponsible behaviour. I agree with what they said (finally telling her where to go) but for her to even think it's perfectly fine for them to solely raise another child of hers is way out there crazy. They have not been strong enough with this woman in the past.

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AzKhaleesi
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I can not wrap my head around how you raise two people and the granddaughter came out well rounded but your actual daughter did not. What happened???

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Ellen Ranks
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes a kid just turns out bad whatever you do. There are more families with 1 "bad apple".

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The parents will cave. How could you not love your own family

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