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Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan
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Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

There are many reasons why people decide to lead a vegan lifestyle, but according to these meat-eaters, this style of living shouldn’t be adopted because it’s “Cruelty-Free.” They argue that even Cruelty-Free International certified products aren’t entirely innocent if one was to look at the vegan food industry as a whole. The discussion picked up serious heat after some vegans joined it, and it will surely draw you in, as well.

Forced labor, exploitation of workers, hazardous and extreme working conditions, lack of labor rights protecting agricultural workers and extremely low wage are still very common problems in the food supply chains, even the eco-friendly ones. Agriculture is even responsible for 70% of child labor. Since 2012, the amount of kids working in the industry has increased by 10 million, reaching 108 million in total. And what about the Bolivians who can no longer afford their staple grain, quinoa? The dramatic increase in its demand in the Western world made its price triple since 2006.

These were only a few arguments used in the attempt to make people rethink eating vegan. It turns out, however, that many do. According to the findings by faunalytics, 84% of vegetarians/vegans abandon their diet. 34% of lapsed vegetarians/vegans do so in three months or less. Scroll down to read the exchange on this supposedly healthy lifestyle and let us know your thoughts in the comments.

(h/t cheezburger)

Vegan campaigns such as the one below are encouraging people to choose a cruelty free lifestyle

Image source: americanvegan.org (not an actual photo)

However, not everyone agrees that being a vegan means being cruelty free

People instantly started sharing their own opinions

And while some were questioning the logic behind some of the arguments

Others agreed completely

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Alusair Alustriel
Community Member
4 years ago

Like someone said in the comments - it is pretty much impossible to live acruelty-free life. There are always two sides of each story. I don;t get the point of people trying to enforce their way of life/thinking over other people. Mind your own business, plate and life and everyone will be happier.

athornedrose
Community Member
4 years ago

"Mind your own business, plate and life and everyone will be happier." *louder for the people in the back!*

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Biljana Malesevic
Community Member
4 years ago

Nothing is cruelty free. This is not a paradise, this is real world. While I don't judge people eating meat (I also eat it though not often),. I do judge massive production of meat, slaughter houses where animals are brought up in cages just to be killed, horrible chicken slaughter factories where animals are kept in abnormally cruel conditions etc. Farms are ok, hunting, if done well, is ok, animals kept in any sane and normal conditions, even if they are going to be used as food is, well, let's say ok. Keeping animals slummed up in tiny dirty cages and then chopping their heads off on some moving machine is not and never ok. Torturing any animal for food is not and never ok. We are meat eaters but we don't need to have concentration camps for chickens, pigs and cows. It could be humane.

Random Panda
Community Member
4 years ago

I completely agree. It's even worse when one considers that we produce more meat than we actually eat.

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Sarah Sharpe
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm a little disappointed in this article. Veganism does not equate to 100% cruelty free, nor does it stand for being perfect. Before I get any further into this, I think it needs to be addressed that me being vegan doesn't make me better than anybody else, and stating that I am vegan is not a personal attack towards someome that isn't. That being said, this whole idea of "there will never be a cruelty free way to live so might as well not eat vegan" is ridiculous and albeit lazy. Not every vegan you meet is a quinoa, whole foods loving, preachy vegan (that is only in it for the aesthetic). That is a gross stereotype and is only a small percent, so please don't brush off real issues. The mest and dairy industries are the number one source of greenhouse gases, the number one motive behind deforestation. All the grain we are producing to breed (inseminate) more livestock to keep the cattle alive could feed most of the world. To reiterate, I said meat and dairy industries, not small farms which is a different argument. Veganism = doing the best you can to protect not only fellow inhabitants of the earth but our earth itself. It is not a fairytale ideology. People are self destructive creatures and it's important to weigh out the pros and cons of all the choices available to you.

fleur
Community Member
4 years ago

Thank you for this comment Sarah Sharpe, I couldn't have put it better myself.

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Alib
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm not a vegan, but this is the most idiotic argument I've seen against veganism. That's like someone saying: "No one should be racist!" And someone else arguing: "It's impossible to eradicate racism because there's no such thing as a cruelty free world and some cultures and religions support systematic racism and here are some cherry-picked examples in which bigotry has benefitted certain cultures!" Solving problems (such as saving the planet and animals) is difficult, but arguing against people trying to help solve the problem is just counterproductive.

Cristi
Community Member
4 years ago

Thanks for that, at last someone using logic!

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Troux
Community Member
4 years ago

Veganism is a step in the right direction. That doesn't mean the direction is paved with gold. Eating quinoa is not fundamentally endorsing child labor - the fact that child labor is used has nothing to do with the environmental impact of the diet itself, it's a separate injustice to correct. However, eating meat fundamentally requires more land and resource to produce, and fundamentally produces more waste (methane, most of all), however there could just as well be children working the farms, particularly in Brazil's notorious meat industry which is taking down the rainforest faster than any paper mill. If you want 100% in control of the cruelty in your diet, have your own farm where you grow all of your food your own way. If you're going to be a vegan, it just means you have a LOT less work to do on the farm, and a LOT less space needed for it.

Max Blancke
Community Member
4 years ago

That runs both ways. Both meat and veg production can be done in sustainable ways. Grazing animals are not inherently bad for the environment. In fact, large herds of grazing animals are a critical part of grassland ecosystems. My family raises beef in reasonable quantities on pristine land in Colorado. The cows share a beautiful valley with a large herd of wild elk, and lots of other wild animals. We have been able to reintroduce native grass species. I would say that holistic grazing practices like we are using are better for the environment than any sort of plant production could be, because we do not need to displace any of the animals or insects that would eat vegetable crops. Of course, it is a relatively small-scale operation, but you should not write of livestock production as inherently bad for the environment.

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Dara
Community Member
4 years ago

Despite all opnions given. I think we can all agree that the problem is the humans. we kill, we destroy and blame each other for it. we have no respect for the place we live in and we intend to move to another planet, like a disease, and do it all over again.

Sanam Ahmadi
Community Member
4 years ago

Amen

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Tor Rolf Strøm
Community Member
4 years ago

Oh my god this is so incredibly stupid. Of course veganism isn't 100% cruely free, we all know. But it's a whole lot less cruel than partaking in the killing of 150+ billion animals each year. Or does vegan food kill 150 billion workers each year? How fantastically stupid many people are never ceases to amaze and depress me.

Alib
Community Member
4 years ago

I agree! This "argument" against veganism is idiotic. No vegan ever said he/she lives a 100% cruelty free life. They are making a small, personal choice to eat more healthfully and humanely. And this offends people. What a stupid world, indeed!

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Sill Marien
Community Member
4 years ago

a + for the bees. I do think not eating honey is alright if you don't like the taste or you have diabetes or something, but because of "animal cruelty"? Dumb

Aunt Messy
Community Member
4 years ago

Apparently it’s “bee slavery”. Clearly it was coined by someone who had not the vaguest notion of the social life of bees.

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Chris Pitch
Community Member
4 years ago

each to their own. we don't need more reasons to hate each other.

Ego
Community Member
4 years ago

Did you even read the article Sheila?

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Pavel Nekoranec
Community Member
4 years ago

Let's not forget how much of food is wasted every day, every year. Plus consumption of meat is getting crazy, my grandparents ate meat once per week, my parents grew up having meat few time per week, now people in my country having meat everyday for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

wolfensburg2
Community Member
4 years ago

This article does not address that non-vegans are eating from the same crops as vegans! It makes it sound like vegans are contributing more to human cruelty that non-vegans, which is not true. Veganism is a fight against animal cruelty- human cruelty is a separate issue that needs to be adressed by all people. Vegans have little to no bearing on it. The foods people labor to make are bought by vegans and non-vegans alike.

Lydia Smith
Community Member
10 months ago

at last - you'd think non-vegans never eat a single solitary vegetable, grain or piece of fruit ever

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Deena Salzman
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm really confused as to why this Bored Panda shares so much anti-vegan propaganda. I love the animal pics, the heart warming stories, the funny anecdotes, and the awesome art, but why this???

Alib
Community Member
4 years ago

I wonder this, too! And this post isn't even a halfway intelligent argument against veganism; it is cherry-picking random and unproven ideas. Rabbits have to be gas-bombed to grow crops? Quinoa supplies are depleted because of ... vegans? Um, no.

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Tom Strømnes
Community Member
4 years ago

Most stupid responses I ever read: Do you know how much land they chop down just to breed and slaughter animals? 65 billion animals every year. You can also multiplay this number by 14 since animals needs 14 times more food than humans. Stop coming up with excuses for your tastebuds. They can all be easily debunked in sqeconds.

jpaul
Community Member
1 year ago

sadly true

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Paolo Pantaleo
Community Member
4 years ago

What about crops wihch are exported or harvesed by children to feed animals that will be eat by men?

valery77
Community Member
4 years ago

What about it? Are the crops to blame? Or the system we have in this world? Think, think hard. You see? Well, no more excuses Go Vegan for your own benefit and the planet benefit too.

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Alex Krasny
Community Member
4 years ago

Because it's not possible to live 100% cruelty free, people shouldn't waist their time doing the right thing. This argument can apply to everything humans do, and is completely absurd when applied to basically anything. That is why it is a fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

valery77
Community Member
4 years ago

That's is just a silly excuse from somebody that clearly eats flesh and don't have compassion on animals. YES we can be 100% free, we have to aiim to that. Exploitation is due to the system we live in, so is the system to blame not the crops, agree? Yes that so dumb. Well sir no more excuses to keep eating animals, for your sake and the sake of the animals and the whole planet Go Vegan.

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Kasmon Rebelon
Community Member
4 years ago

Being vegan is just a way of life and not a diet. Vegans don't use leather products, don't use products that came from testing on animals and don't use generally whatever comes from the cruelty against animals. A vegan can just eat whatever exists in his country and it's not necessary to eat quinoa or anything else. All of you meat eaters who judge vegan for non cruelty free behavior don't changing your fucking cruel diet and lifestyle in anything. Vegans try at the end. I best most of you drink coffee which comes from huge brands mostly by children's slavery in many countries in Africa. If you try o change something in your lifestyle maybe you can be a little better for the stain you leave behind you in this planet!

jpaul
Community Member
1 year ago

well said

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Clucker Chicken Cluckers
Community Member
4 years ago

Goddamn, I am so proud of shopping at my local farmer's market

Lilly Morse
Community Member
4 years ago

I'm vegetarian and I don't understand why people think it's okay to be violent ab all of this , be nice . No ones gonna listen to you if you're yelling at them .. they will do the opposite. If you want people to become vegan . Show them your side and ACTUALLY research your stuff . Or just leave them alone .. maybe there happy with there life style . I wouldn't want someone yelling at me about how they think it's wrong that I'm vegetarian. I'm vegetarian because the meat industry is completely bonkers (in my opinion ) but I'm also a lgbt rights activist, feminist and people that only care ab the animals in my opinion are crazy . if you're gonna care ab one living things life . Then you need to care about every sex, race, culture, and sexuality .

Lydia Smith
Community Member
10 months ago

The dairy and egg industries aren't a paradise either. And why do you assume that people who care about animals don't give a damn about people? It's not either/or.

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Nikola Kníže
Community Member
4 years ago

Veganism is not wrong.. Its not easy to save whole the world... but... when you save just one life it will be whole world for this life... just try to do your best and do not be blind

Mary Finelli
Community Member
4 years ago

Being vegan isn't a matter of being perfect. It's a matter of trying to do the least harm to nonhuman animals as is reasonably possible. If everyone did that what a beautiful world this would be. Being vegan is easier, better, and more compelling than ever. If you aren't already what are you waiting for? There's no good reason to not be.

Dian Ella Lillie
Community Member
4 years ago

I think the point is that just because something is 'vegan' doesn't mean that it's not having a deleterious impact somewhere in the food chain. The take-home message is that even vegans need to be responsible in the choices that they make, and if we're all going to step as lightly and as kindly as possible on the planet that means that we should minimise our consumption of things like palm oil as much as we do our consumption of feed-lot beef.

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Angélique Villé
Community Member
4 years ago

And how does it even matter? It's interesting, the current backslash against vegetarianism and veganism (and organic farming, too, by the way). I'm wondering what's the need to "fight back" people based on their choice of diet. Is it lead by the meat industry? I'm just wondering. I have been eating meat, vegetarian and vegan at different point in my life (and I'm probably going to cycle through it a few times again) and that's just what I want to do. I do believe there is value in a meat-free diet for the environment and your own health, but I don't preach others to do the same. Everybody is free to do what is best for them. I don't understand why there need to be "campaigns" against a minority group that are trying to improve an aspect of their life (compassion toward other living beings). Save your effort to make yourself a better person in the way you chose to and let others live their life. Seriously.

Alib
Community Member
4 years ago

I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the U.S. people get very defensive if they feel they are being told what to eat. (Similar to the gun-right argument: No one is trying to take guns away but Americans get furious if you even suggest gun reform.) Perhaps this is because there is, surprisingly, a huge vegan movement happening in middle America. Probably because people are sick of having heart attacks, but Cooks Illustrated just put out its first vegan cookbook because it said 40% of its recipe requests are for vegan food. 40%!

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Dian Ella Lillie
Community Member
4 years ago

Let's be brutally honest. We're all a part of the human (over)population on the planet, so we're all contributing to the pressure that our diets put on the global ecosystems. Even if we're eating veganly, our soy contributes to the destruction of the Amazon and our palm oil (which is in a huge proportion of things that come into contact with the inside and outside of our bodies) contributtes to the destruction of SE Asian rainforests - the home of orangs. Yes, more vegetables and less meat is better, but eating some meat is the price that prey species pay for evolutionary continuation: remove their utility and they would otherwise become extinct. Want to make a big difference to the planet? To paraphrase Michael Pollan, "eat [real] food, [fresh and locally-grown]. Mostly plants. Not too much."

Mary Finelli
Community Member
4 years ago

The vast majority of the soy that is grown in the Amazon is used as food for cattle. Farmed species were not invented by humans. There are wild populations of chickens, cows, pigs, etc., and many domesticated ones have very successfully thrived in the feral state, so no, these species would not become extinct if people stopped abusing them for food.

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A Dog Person
Community Member
4 years ago

I agree, you can minimize the cruelty, although not live cruelty free. But I think that such things as animal testing and fur farming are not even useful and should be stopped.

Krista Taylor
Community Member
4 years ago

Idiotic argument...what is wrong with you Bored panda writers?

Ms. Understood
Community Member
4 years ago

Here's the thing: We as human beings can and often have a negative impact the earth, people, and animals. The clothes you wear , the products you use, the way you live is probably having a negative impact on something. We just need to CARE. Vegan, non-vegan, not shoving options down each other's throats. I believe that we should just do anything that we can, no matter how small, to lessen that impact. Educate yourself, make small changes, be kind to people. JUST CARE.

Dian Ella Lillie
Community Member
4 years ago

Yep.

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Charles Allison
Community Member
1 year ago

Stupid article that tries to blur the lines by saying that what wont work for like 1% of the population means that the other 99% are justified in doing. If there was a vastly superior alien species and like 5% of them "needed to eat humans to survive", would you just shrug and go "well, they're superior... I guess we gotta sacrifice one of our newborns once every month to keep them alive even though the other 95% don't need human flesh to live"? No, we would try to find a way to feed those beings without killing our own. This article pretends to be ignorant the reality that animal agriculture takes up significantly more land than plant agriculture and that plant agriculture is used to feed animals... so even if "you are still hurting animals to grow crops", you're still growing plants to grow to feed animals. And it takes a lot more land to feed animals to feed humans than to feed humans directly. Ignores that a lot of problems brought up can be resolved by GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD!

Bill Marsano
Community Member
4 years ago

Whether veganism is/is not cruelty-free is a question worthy of intelligent debate. Stupid comment suggesting that white quinoa-eaters care more about animals than they do about brown people is just such a stupid comment. If you're going to associate veganism with racism, the least you can do is provide some checkable facts and references regarding the quinoa-deprivation of brown populations worldwide. Otherwise you're just making witless noise and embarrassing yourself.

Full Name
Community Member
4 years ago

What horrible arguments. I hate getting drawn into clickbait like this but FFS these arguments are ridiculous. It's like saying you should beat the shit out of your girlfriend because you'll accidentally bump into her sometimes which might cause her pain if she hits the corner of the coffee table.

Iapetos
Community Member
4 years ago

I really hope that logic tells you that the production of meat requires multiple times the agricultural products (wheat, soy, potatoes, whatever you want to feed to the animals before you slaughter them). Depicting vegans as racists just because may be the top of hypocrisy. Yes, it's goddamn annoying that rabbits are being killed by farming machines, not to mention the child labour, use of pesticides still going on, but you can reduce all of that shit simply by directly eating plants.

valery77
Community Member
4 years ago

Sissikuk and others, you really think the explotation of people has something to do with veganism? That veganism should stop bc of that? Man! people has no brain. THE SYStem has to stop, no veganism. Companies exploit many people for many products, almost every product you buy in the market means somebody is exploited. I am from South America and i am vegan, thanks God. The meat industry, the plastic industry, the paper industry, the toy industry, the sport industry, and a long etc exploit people. Is this capitalist system who has to change or better has to be eliminated. So please think before posting something like that.

BurntBrownies
Community Member
4 years ago

I know I will be downvoted to death, but I can't live without meat... I respect a lot those who are vegans, because I don't have the guts to do it! Salmon, barbcue, chicken, beef... It is part of my life. Yes, I like animals. I don't like the cruelty of the food industry. But I have also other point of view, that will probably make you hate me more than I hate myself: Humans are animals too, meat is an important protein for us. I'm sorry if I ofended anyone, not the point... But I just can't go vegan.

Iapetos
Community Member
4 years ago

Please let me contradict you: You sure have the guts to eat less or no meat or even become a vegan, if you like! I was kind of dependent of meat for a long time, then I started to simply add more vegetables to my diet, and it seems that's what I was lacking all the time. Now I crave for vegetables and feel a lot healthier. If you'd like to try "veganism", simply start by testing various vegan foods, pick what you like and make it part of your diet. That way, you'll automatically start to eat less meat by eating more different things - much better than just leaving a vital part out.

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Lazy Panda
Community Member
4 years ago

Yes veganism most certainly is not the best choice for everyone! A lot of vegans seem to forget/not care that some people have serious medical issues that would prevent them from going vegan. I know someone who is anaemic and when they attempted a vegan diet they ended up hospitalized

Lydia Smith
Community Member
10 months ago

Gosh you know one person who was apparently hospitalised after attempting a vegan diet - that settles it then. None of us should ever go vegan. Jeez - just do a little research, do.

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Rei Kurosumi
Community Member
4 years ago

Everyone seems to missed that the vegan claimed "Veganism is cruelty free, affordable and the best choice for everyone", they also called op name for not being a vegan in the first reply and the "anti-vegan" arguments below are simply the replies to that vegan's angry rant. They're are not making vegan looks "bad"

Nubmaeme
Community Member
4 years ago

I tried to be a vegetarian, but not vegan, in my younger days. After just a few days, I found I had no energy, felt ill, and was constantly hungry. I also noticed changes in my hair and skin, and not for the better. Went back to including meat and those problems went away. Guess there were some nutrients in the meat that I wasn't getting from other sources. If it works for you, fine. But don't expect everyone else to follow you. It doesn't work for some people and causes more problems than it solves.

BieneMaya
Community Member
3 years ago

Also, a lot of vegans have better iron status than people who consume milk and meat or vegetarians with high milk consumption, because milk protein disturbs the intake of iron from any source. Greens, legumes, and fresh whole-heartedly are very rich in on iron, but milk protein will wash it away... I always have to remember that when tempted to add cheese or other diary to my incredible good looking, fresh salad

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Toni Tangents
Community Member
4 years ago

Ok, so maybe veganism isn't 100% cruelty free, more like, 90%. You can't argue that since something isn't perfect it is there for pointless, that's stupid. Live and let live.

Here to Troll
Community Member
4 years ago

You're purposely missing the point, and that's really unfortunate. You'll never learn anything when you hide your head in the sand.

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Jennie Stilton
Community Member
7 months ago

I cannot metabolize carbohydrates properly. For health reasons, the vast majority of my diet must come from animal products. This is not a choice. After explaining this, a vegan told me that the world would be better off if I went vegan and became sick and died. How is that not cruel?

Andreas Thaler
Community Member
1 year ago (edited)

Oh, veganism is not 100% cruelty free? Then let's kill animals instead ... :-( Most amazed about the argument "Immigrants get exploited for crops" ... pray tell, who do you think works in slaughterhouses, most often under horrible conditions???

Vi. B.
Community Member
1 year ago

Bored panda, why the f*ck you share again such an old post that as been said again and again is full of s**t ? Seriously clickbait is stupid.

jpaul
Community Member
1 year ago

ok here's my (vegan) song. perfection doesn't exist nowhere. but, veganism doesn't encourage force breeding, and baby animals being sold 1€ to the slaughterhouse (for milk). veganism doesn't encourage animals farms where animals never see the sun light of their lives. veganism per squared km is tremendously more productive, and less polluting than the meat industry. veganism condemns animals being considered as a furniture (can be kiled), thus gives a chance for a serious protection law to be born someday. veganism can (very) easily be local, and organic (and save the quinoa. never heard such a bull seriously lol). red meat is known to be a cancers vector. meat industry is rain forest deforestation main vector. veganism is logical. we treat cats, and sheeps with same regards. I AM NOT bashing the meat industry. Just want to be clear about that one. just pointing out what meat eating consequences are here

Helmut Kok
Community Member
1 year ago

Stupid arguments. What is most of the harvested crops used for? Obvious not to feed animals, they don't need any food right

DC
Community Member
1 year ago

This goes in the other direction way better: A non-vegan life is not 100 % cruelty, but it certainly is the closest we can get. Actually, I'm a bit impressed about how much ignorance towards the violence towards animals is expressed by the entitled brats that think they are the victims for being told a reality they had no problem to cause. The violence against humans connected with animal productions also is an issue that, by decision of said entitled brats, is not to be mentionend, because their little feeling-feelies can hurty-hurty after they came to knowy-know about them - which this kind of human, of course, never does on purpose - the less you know, the happier you are!

DC
Community Member
1 year ago

It's pretty self-righteous to consider ordering the killing of a sentient being and then demanding that everyone shall mind their own business, while said sentient being never was asekd, never agreed and never met anything but cost-effective cruelty in their entire life. Grow up, accept that your choices, no matter how common they are, have an effect and nothing justifies to keep said effect out of discussion. The maximum of self-righteous BS is reached when, after binging on meat and telling people to mind their own business, these exact same people start bragging about food being thrown away, as if this really was worth mentioning, in relation to the food-wasting practices they themselves engage in and want to keep unjudged - what if I said, I throw away as much 99% vegetables as I want - and want you to STFU, mind your own business and leave me alone with your preachy Blabla?

Kjell Van Hoof
Community Member
1 year ago

It misses the point again. Veganism is literally defined as: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." With the emphais on 'as far as possible'. https://youtu.be/ASbzfvJwxLQ https://youtu.be/49NpNt6V3kY https://youtu.be/PrXrAytJq4E https://youtu.be/7WYq8dEZ4pw https://youtu.be/g5L2ujK-dgg

DC
Community Member
2 years ago

Mind your own business - and leave everyone else alone. With everyone, I REALLY mean everyone. Really everyone, no exceptions. Live and let live. Without exceptions. I always wonder how one can be offended by thinking a second about that what he/she eats, maybe didn't want to be offended and just wanted to mind its own business, or, in the first place, just not being killed. Guess it's more about being offended than about the actual so-called offense...

Lydia Smith
Community Member
10 months ago

What?

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Emily Gable
Community Member
2 years ago

I immensely disagree. A lot of times the people who make the decision to go vegan do it both for the safety of animals as well as the environmental impact of animal factories, so they tend to get the produce from farmers markets and sometimes their own backyard. It's terrible to discourage veganism because the meat-eaters are seeing the images of these physically and mentally damaged animals laying lifeless or being shredded alive. Veganism may require labor, but doesn't everything? Look at where we get our phones, computers and devices. This labor further adds to climate change as well as harm to young children and older people. Us vegans are not at fault here, and the animals are not being harmed, and pollution is not being added to, whereas no one can say the same regarding meat industries. Meat-eaters can't be mad at vegans for not doing something about the "cruelty" when they are doing far worse by buying into the meat-industry. It's hypocritical, and frankly not their place.

Julie Waldroup
Community Member
4 years ago

Considering that most crops on earth are harvested to feed to "meat" animals, you do far more harm by eating the animals than you would be eating the crops directly. Math. It matters.

Pete Tinsley
Community Member
4 years ago

Anything that exploits children, people or animals - by definition - isn't vegan. You're confusing plant-based diet with veganism. Veganism isn't a diet. To be vegan means you actively avoid products and practices that are known to exploit animals and people - including quinoa and palm-oil etc. To say that veganism isn't cruelty-free is an oxymoron. If it involves cruelty - it's not vegan. Free-range isn't cruelty-free, plant-based diets aren't necessarily cruelty-free, vegetarianism definitely isn't cruelty-free either but none of these are related to veganism. Veganism, by definition, is a lifestyle that seeks to exclude all practices and products that harm or exploit animals. Anyone that falls outside of this definition (including people who try plant-based fad diets or try veganism for a month and then "give up") simply are not vegan - they're average joe-blog, meat eaters. Please don't taint veganism with your lack of understanding of the definition.

Jim
Community Member
4 years ago

So we should in fact, eat our own. Soylent green for me. At least eating humans is okay if they are bad peaople eight?

Slaine MacRoth
Community Member
4 years ago

Veganism is not simply a definition of a diet, but a way of living. "The word 'veganism' denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practicable — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." – Vegan Society of the UK definition of veganism. Enough said.

Slaine MacRoth
Community Member
4 years ago

Veganism is not simply a definition of a diet, but a way of living. "The word 'veganism' denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practicable — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." – Vegan Society of the UK definition of veganism. Enough said. It's not a 'personal choice' when your choices have victims.

kalle1724
Community Member
4 years ago

People need to just do what you want...not what the internet tells ya to do.

BetsyB
Community Member
4 years ago

So because I can't stop all cruelty I should do nothing? Why not do what we can to help people AND animals? I live in a liberal town so I know a lot of vegans, & many of them DO care about cruelty to people & don't proselytize they just want others to eat less meat & support better farming practices. The world isn't as dichotomous as sensationalists would have you believe.

Isla Keenan
Community Member
4 years ago

I don't mind vegans, but I couldn't afford to be vegan and to be honest I don't wanna be vegan. If you don't mind that, cool, I don't mind you been vegan. If you see me walking down the streets however, when I have just bought myself the rare treat of a Greggs/KFC. Please do not come up to me with your flyer yelling meat is murder. I can rarely afford this god damn food and the last thing I need is someone telling me to throw it away.

Diana Snow
Community Member
4 years ago

How about, eat the way you see fit and leave others alone? Im all for treating animals ethically but dont say everyone should be this or that. Its just arrogant.

DC
Community Member
2 years ago

Yeah, we should also leave slavekeepers alone. I mean, I don't like slavery, but why force this on other people? The entire discussion about the so-called preachiness of vegans is totally missing the point. It is entitled crap of people who misunderstand the freedom to have an opinion as the right to never have this opinion put into question. And, by the way, none of the animals suffering for the sake of nonvegan's desire of fried corps has the opportunity to yell at someone to leave them alone - which preachy meat-extremists usually do after they asked a vegan why he is a vegan ... get it explained and start whining about the oh-so-bad propaganda doing oh-so-much harm to them, while the reality of normality is best described by the german term "Banalität des Bösen" (banality of evil), not even evil on purpose, just something the ignorance causes, as it still is seen as optional to take into account that a lot more animals than just humans suffer the same way as humans do .

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Bored Bear
Community Member
4 years ago

We will always be eating meat, in fact our original diet contained a lot of fish and meat (source: Luc De Mestre, Quora). Eating veggies is just not enough for us =/ . Instead of choosing a lifestyle in being a vegan or not. How about we try to reduce the amount of organic waste we produce? Due to over-consumption of food the agriculture needs to produce more for us. Not eating them would br a waste of energy. Therefore, control your portion and only buy food which you can finish. I also understand that extensive agriculture/ livestock farming is caused by the human overpopulation. This is a big problem for humanity( for real, we reproduce like bunnies!) and we can't help it. However we still try to give better sex education and family planning advices, but the population will still grow.

Jas Bat
Community Member
4 years ago

Well well well... How can I say this? You know, people who work in slaughterhouses are mostly exploited immigrants. And, their ratio of employees with depression and trauma is massively higher than any other industry. So, actually, when you are eating meat, you're exploiting and traumatizing immigrants, too... unless you come to your local farmer. Hey, I but my veggies from the local farming market from Uncle Bob the farmer who makes me a neat deal... It's impossible to live 100% "cruelty-free" but let's makes it real : this is not an article talking about how going vegan is actually cruel. This is a bunch of angry, biased, non-fact based, anti-veganism comments from the internet. Really, Bored Panda? Really? That was the worst click-bait I fell for all week!

Joshua Rosevear
Community Member
4 years ago

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" We're talking about the needless enslavement and slaughter of billions of sentient beings every year, the destruction of our environment, needless torture from animal testing, needless breeding of animals for pets, animals used for entertainment. Of course no vegans would condone human exploitation, and I think most people strive towards living a life style that does not support such cruelty, but before you start casting stones, there is vastly more exploitation and suffering involved in the animal products industry, from the animals themselves, slaughter house workers, meat packing plants, and all the needles suffering from people who fall ill do to animal based foods, heart disease, cancer diabetes, obesity.

taylor02
Community Member
4 years ago

What about Certified Humane meats? It's probably not perfect, but it's a hell of a step up from what's on your plate now. Also look into SuperMeat. Real meat without the existence of sentient life.

Flisey
Community Member
4 years ago

Being a vegan isn't just about cruelty-free living, it's about not putting animal products/by-products into your body. Some believe that it can cause cancer and other illnesses. Vegans don't expect the world to convert overnight but to start making changes. Change your impact on our planet.

Cristi
Community Member
4 years ago

Bored Panda what is wrong with you? Why would you incite hatred towards people who are just trying to be the best they can - which is the only thing we vegans are trying to do. How is that a bad thing?

Diana Snow
Community Member
4 years ago

Its simply telling vegans its not a perfect solution. Can you handle that?

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Kiahna
Community Member
4 years ago

I hate it when vegan people try to force others to become vegan. By all means, be vegan but that's your business not mine. If I was vegan, I would become so small and frail that I would be in trouble. Some people have special circumstances that require them to go on a full diet.

That one anon
Community Member
4 years ago

Yes this does make sense 👍🏻

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Stephane Duchemin
Community Member
4 years ago

Stop telling me what I should or shouldn’t eat. I don’t care if someone feels guilty to have to kill animals to eat meat. Humans are the highest predators on earth, so I feel no guilt at all to eat like a predators instead of a prey.

ELs Devrieze
Community Member
4 years ago

Why do people try to make things so black and white? Live doesn’t work that way. In my opinion it’s not what you eat it’s where you buy it. Overconsumption kills. I eat meat, I eat vegetarian/vegan meals and sometimes insects wich are grown for consumption. I get my meat (and vegatables and fruit) directly from the farmers, farmers of wich i know they treath and kill animals with respect. Same goes for cheese I grow my own spices, herbs in house. I shop local as much as possible, ‘cause lets face it, transportation is very poluting. I minimise the use of single plastic and if i can buy it cruelty free i will (shampoo, clothes, etc) i believe if we want to make a change thats the way to go. It doesn’t have to cost more money, you just need to take the time to jump on your bike (if you can avoid taking the car) and make some more stops instead of getting everything at the supermarket. You have to grow some new habbits, ditch some old ones and use your brain it’s not so hard

owlboi
Community Member
4 years ago

It is impossible to live a cruelty free life, but then again it would be much better if humans didn't exist in the first place soooo... as much as i love animals i would go back in time to kill every single monkey just to stop humans from evolving

Here to Troll
Community Member
4 years ago

Clearly a very educated point of view...

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Victor Vakaras
Community Member
4 years ago

Bunch of people arguing about what they choose to eat, meanwhile a large portion of the worlds' population has nothing to eat at all.

DC
Community Member
3 years ago

... so let's buy a huge amount of soy, corn, crops, feed it to pigs, cows, birds, and then eat them. This is about acting harmfully against humans, too! The meat production is that great of a waste of nutrition, this can not be taken out of the argument - meat rises the pressure on this. Meat is responsible for human suffering, the suffering of the poorest, too. Indeed, if all the praising of humans and how great they are would be meant real, and not just a lame excuse to piss of vegans, none of the people accusing us of not caring enough about humans would eat meat.

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Michael Vickery
Community Member
4 years ago

I think that if people minded their own damn business about what people eat, the world would be better off.

BieneMaya
Community Member
3 years ago

Actually that's one of the main problems.... Because the majority of people in the rich countries care mostly about themselves, saving a penny on their coffee or food, they help exploiting those countries, where starvation and malnutrition is a mayor issue.

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GlassOfWater
Community Member
4 years ago

Random fact: In Australia, a farmer commits suicide every four days.

mulk
Community Member
4 years ago

Random fact: It happen everywhere! for example, in France it's happenend every two days...

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Rocky Magic
Community Member
4 years ago

Little does that ad know. I wouldn't mind eating my own kind >;)

Potato
Community Member
4 years ago

Exactly my thoughts haha

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Joe Sauer
Community Member
4 years ago

How about we just go about our lives with judging the hell out of each other.

Debbie Andersson
Community Member
4 years ago

Theres no reason to not eat honey...Agave that is a common honey substitute apperently makes more damage, and still vegans eat it?? No logic there.

Dian Ella Lillie
Community Member
4 years ago

I can't speak with authority about other countries, but in Australia the commercial honey industry pulls a serious amount of nectar out of natural ecosystems, significantly reducing the sugar sources for native animals including insects, birds, and nectivore marsupials. Honey is not a magic substance that miraculously appears from nowhere - there's this thing called the conservation of mass, and the honey industry is taking from Peter to feed Paul. Pollination's a different issue, and with careful balancing of hive numbers pollination can be achieved with minimal impact on natural ecosystems' nectar sources.

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stellermatt
Community Member
4 years ago

We all need to eat, whatever it is we need to eat, it's a basic human need, like liquids. Whatever that food is, it's gotta come from somewhere, so unless you're making your own food (living on a farm or growing your own crops) you'll be relying on other people to provide it for you. The best way is to reduce the amount of people involved from field to plate, but even that will have some impact on someone/thing somehow. But to force your way of living/eating/buying onto someone else isn't the way to fix things.

Your Local Lizard
Community Member
1 year ago

Enough hate. Either way is bad and will kill lives no matter what. Where is the cute wholesome articles?

Shimmy Shai
Community Member
2 years ago

Yep. Noentheless, that doesn't mean it's not a good idea because it still tries to *reduce* that cruelty. Just by one point alone - land usage. The efficiency gain by dropping meat for vegan cuts that significantly (perhaps by 83%, if not more), which then goes into reducing most/all of the factors discussed here by similar margins. Likewise, those who cannot go 100% vegan for situational reasons can still try to lower the meat & animal product consumption at whatever opportunities they can find for it, however those do or do not compare to someone else's. But yes, the *rhetoric* has to be suitably adjusted.

Gints Rotčenkovs
Community Member
2 years ago

@Lietuvos Ne Veganai https://www.facebook.com/groups/319153511816414/

Gints Rotčenkovs
Community Member
2 years ago

@No Vegan Latvija https://www.facebook.com/groups/NOVEGANLATVIJA/

Mat Xia
Community Member
2 years ago

Let's be honest, the only reason that we are alive right now is because our ancient ancestors ate meat.