After Covid-19 caused extraordinarily intrusive and expensive lockdowns, the so-called vaccine passports are increasingly seen as something that could get us out of them. Decision-makers and gatekeepers, including border guards and maître d's, are learning how to know who can safely engage with others. However, this solution has raised some questions. Some believe it's even discriminatory.

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James Waterson from Alberta, Canada, is one of them. However, Waterson recently decided to explore this topic deeper, so he made a tweet, saying: "Hello Vaxxed people. Honest question here (as I fully support your decision to get vaxxed), how do you feel when showing your vaxx passport knowing it excludes people? [sic]"

And the most amazing thing happened. I don't know, maybe it was the wording that he chose, but James managed to get Twitter together to have a civilized discussion. Well, at least for the most part. His question got plenty of answers, and we thought it would be a good idea to share them with you. After all, you're probably going to have this discussion with someone too.

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Dan Buczynski
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1 month ago

With great power comes great get vaccinated already you crybabies

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More than 3.76 billion people worldwide have received a dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, which equates to about 49 percent of the population.

General practitioner, medical researcher, and founder of PrimeHealth Clinical Research, Iris Gorfinkel, M.D., told Bored Panda that 50% is an incredibly exciting number that just a year ago would have seemed virtually impossible.

"Now that we have arrived at almost the impossible, it's tempting to let our guard down, to let go of mitigation, to let go of masks and social distancing, to forget high-end hygiene. But there's a serious problem with that. And that's delta," Gorfinkel said.

"It's more than two times as infectious as the original variant had been. Because of that, instead of 70% of people being vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, we now need 90%."

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Red Hair Blue Soul
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1 month ago

Why isn't this higher

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Scagsy
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1 month ago

That sounds suspiciously like logic. Those anti-vaxxers won't understand it. You're wasting your breath.

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Herd immunity is the level at which the disease will finally stop spreading. That means about 9 out of 10 people have to be vaccinated in the whole world if we want to get rid of Covid-19, including everyone, not just the ones who are eligible for the shot, which currently are 12 years old and over.

"We're not anywhere near that," Gorfinkel said. "Am I optimistic? Absolutely, because who would have even thought we'd have a vaccine [that fast?] It's exciting, but we still have a long way to go. And the answer will ultimately be vaccination, along with mitigation. In other words, we can't let go of our masks, we have to continue doing hand hygiene, we have to understand that this is a disease that transmits naturally through large droplets, but through aerosols as well — it hangs around in the air, like cigarette smoke, and it has to be taken seriously."

The doctor agreed that vaccine passports are a hot topic. "Bottom line is, they work, and they work very well as a public health tool."

"The first country to have gotten into this was Israel and boy, did they teach a wonderful lesson. Israeli health authorities basically sat down and asked themselves, 'do we use a carrot or do we use a stick?'"

"A carrot approach would be a vaccine passport, a stick approach would be mandating that everybody gets vaccinated. So rather than mandating it, they basically said, 'Fine, you want to go to the gym, you want to go to a movie theater, you want to go to a restaurant, you have to be vaccinated.' And in a way, they were also offering something in return for getting vaccinated. And it worked stunningly well."

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Pheebs
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1 month ago

I almost got kicked out of high school because we no longer had record of my childhood vaccinations. You know what we did in response? Got me re-vaccinated.

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Juraj Janeček
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1 month ago

LOL thanks for making my day

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As Tim Dare, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Auckland, and Justine Kingsbury, a Senior Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Waikato, pointed out, the central concern is often that vaccine passports will cause or exacerbate inequality because access to a passport relies on access to vaccines, and access to vaccines has been unequal.

"Internationally, citizens of some countries are more likely to have access to vaccines – and so to vaccine passports – than citizens of other countries. And within countries, some individuals and groups are more likely to have access to vaccines than others," they wrote in The Conversation.

"Firstly, the need to contain Covid-19 justifies the significant restrictions of important liberties in lockdowns," they said. "But to the extent that vaccines work, that justification doesn’t apply to someone who has been vaccinated. The justification for curtailing liberties has gone (or at least, given the possibility of breakthrough cases, been considerably weakened), so for the vaccinated, the curtailment should go too."

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Adam
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1 month ago

the comments are best read with popcorn

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Steve Wilson
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1 month ago

Ted. My man! Keep up the good work.

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Eric Law
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1 month ago

I've decided that 2 + 2 = 3 so 3 doesn't feel excluded. Huh? What about 4? Dammit...

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"Secondly, distinguishing between people on the basis of their [Covid-19] immunity may be discrimination, but it's not obvious it is unjustified discrimination. Whether someone is vaccinated or not is arguably legitimate grounds for discrimination. The unvaccinated (for whatever reason) pose a greater risk to others than the vaccinated. They are also more likely to suffer severe symptoms if they get Covid-19."

"Thirdly, one reason to tolerate inequality is that sometimes it improves the position of the disadvantaged," Dare and Kingsbury added. "We might tolerate doctors' high incomes, for example, if the promise of a higher income led people to study medicine and we believed a good supply of doctors benefited the worst-off members of our community."

Vaccine passports might work the same way — they help get the economy going, so the government can support those still locked down. Plus, they're also an incentive to vaccinate, and high vaccination rates are good for everyone. Even the unvaccinated.

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Carol Emory
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1 month ago

Never thought about that. I need to start booking my next trip!

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Susan Green
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1 month ago

I feel the same way.

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Kathryn Baylis
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1 month ago

This is one of the more definitive answers. If you live alone on an island, in total isolation, then sure. Don’t get vaccinated, because you’re only hurting yourself. But if you get on your boat, leave your island, and come to the mainland to mix with the rest of us, you better damn well be vaccinated, because the rest of us want to live. Otherwise you’re even worse than Typhoid Mary. She was a cook, of all things, who kept changing her name and working in restaurants after she was discovered to be a carrier of typhoid, and was the catalyst for a string of new outbreaks in those areas. The authorities had to finally keep her in well-guarded isolation, to make sure she didn’t slip out and do it again. The differences are that there wasn’t a vaccine for typhoid then, and Mary simply didn’t know any better. You really want to go down in history with someone as notorious—-and deadly—-as Mary? You want all those avoidable deaths on your conscience? Do you even HAVE a conscience? I doubt it.

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Iris Gorfinkel agrees that if a person is pinned down to the ground to receive a vaccine, that would be violating their rights. But if they're turned away from a movie theater or the gym during a pandemic because they haven't had a shot, it's a whole other thing.

"This is balancing the rights of those in a democracy to protect people, just like people don't have a right to smoke in a public area. You know, it's like my older patients ask 'what gives a person a right to go into a supermarket without a mask?'. We live in a society in which we need to get along with one another. And this isn't meant to separate out people, but rather to allow us to live together in peace."

Expanding on what Dare and Kingsbury have said, the doctor highlighted that vaccine passports work for the population, not the individual. But that's exactly what we need right now.

"They keep down the number of Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations, ICU visits, and deaths to an absolute minimum. Is this an absolute one size fits all? Of course not. And I do not want to create a divide between the vaccine-hesitant and those who get vaccinated ... [but] I'm deeply concerned about the divisive nature that's emerging from this debate."

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Sally Appleton
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1 month ago

10/10 censorship BP

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Caro Caro
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1 month ago

It's their choice, these are the consequences. Basta!

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Sally Appleton
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1 month ago

It's like the first time you show your ID. You thought you could trick me? Well I'm allowed to be here!

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Eric Law
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1 month ago (edited)

Of course it excludes people - people who have chosen to do something harmful to others. Exclusion is not always wrong - we put locks on our doors to exclude burglars. We require driver's licenses to (theoretically) exclude people who are not competent at driving. Etc. etc.

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Dan Buczynski
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1 month ago

Yep. Exactly.

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Ellie
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1 month ago

This is my favourite answer. So groovy, so chill, so on point!

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Virginie Michaud
Community Member
1 month ago

For unvaxxed and proud : And we will watch natural selection and add your names to the Darwin awards, be proud you will have earned some form of recognition for removing yourself from the gene pool! Honestly, how many unvaxxed people have to DIE before you realize you het on the wrong horse? The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.... 🤦‍♀️

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Kathryn Baylis
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1 month ago

And if you end up with a bad enough case of COVID that you’re dying in the hospital, hooked up to a ventilator, please understand that you only have yourself to blame. Tell your family not to crowd share for money to pay your hospital bill, because you, for all intents and purposes, committed suicide. Willfully. That’s the experience YOU, and no one else, chose.

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Mari Bryant
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1 month ago

I get what they're saying, good point if it was true. Unlicensed and uninsured are all around us.

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Carol Emory
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1 month ago

Exactly. As they say "Freedom is not free."

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Susan Green
Community Member
1 month ago

You bet. I’m quite happy to show that I’m smart enough, and responsible enough to get vaccinated.

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Atlasheld
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1 month ago

Yes.

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Vanta Black
Community Member
1 month ago

Mr. Flick definitely rocks. As for you, Johnny joshua, why would you take a fatal bullet over a non-fatal injection? There's no agenda, just a vaccine. One of many you should have in your life. However, if you still insist on taking the bullet, what are you waiting for?

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OJ
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1 month ago

hahahah

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LuckyL
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1 month ago

I'm just really sorry for the people who can't get vaccinated who have to be excluded now because of all the idiots

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a_smol_berry
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1 month ago (edited)

This woman is an immortal in mortal form. Totally made my day though, wonderful mindset to be in. :)

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Ellis Reed
Community Member
1 month ago

Big difference here, the vaccine is entirely free and college is most certainly not. I'm all for the passports and vaccination but this isn't a good comparison.

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John Baker
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1 month ago

Unvaxxedandproud, tell me you're a f*****g moron without telling me you're a f*****g moron. Oh, wait. You already did.

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Mickie Shea
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1 month ago

Yes, exclude the hell out of them.

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Mickie Shea
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1 month ago

Law of Karma is a work'n.

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M O'Connell
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1 month ago

If you wish to reap the benefits of living in an orderly society, you must adhere to the rules and participate in maintaining the order of that society. If this situation were going down in antiquity, these people would be shunned and cast out into the wilderness.

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WilvanderHeijden
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1 month ago

Isn't boycotting an event that requires proof that you're not a biological terrorist the best evidence that you really aren't capable of making important decisions?

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