
40 Pics That Perfectly Sum Up The Soviet And Post Soviet Times, As Shared On This Page Interview
There’s nothing like a bit of contrast and historical perspective to make you reevaluate what's going on in the world now. Many people, especially those living in the West, still have very little understanding of what everyday life was like behind the Iron Curtain. That’s where the ‘Soviet Visuals’ social media project comes in. It collects and shares historical photos, propaganda posters, illustrations, and architectural images from the USSR in order to give people a better understanding of the Soviet and post-Soviet eras.
If you’re fans of history and old-timey photography, dear Pandas, then this is the article for you. Remember to upvote your fave pics as you scroll down. And if you grew up in the former USSR, let us know in the comments what life was really like back then. The good, the bad, the ugly—don’t skip out on the details.
Bored Panda spoke to the founder of the aesthetic time capsule that is the 'Soviet Visuals' project, Varia Bortsova. She was kind enough to answer our questions. "I always really enjoyed rummaging through old family VHS tapes and magazine cutouts, and starting a Twitter account became a way to share these findings with the world," she told us. "Over time, more and more people started to contribute their own visuals and it evolved into a real community. I started the project on my own but now have two awesome researchers on board who help source new archive content daily and process user submissions."
We were interested to hear Varia's thoughts about why 'Soviet Visuals' became so successful. "A couple of reasons, I think. Soviet Visuals content feeds an appetite for vintage aesthetics: from design, to fashion, to architecture, to music. A lot of what was produced behind the Iron Curtain was actually exceptionally creative (despite, or sometimes due to the various ideological constraints)," she said. Scroll down for the full interview.
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Post-Soviet Visual. Photo By Tatyana Rodionova
"The stereotype tends to be that 'Soviet = gray,' but it is truly anything but, and going down the Soviet content rabbit hole can be a rewarding and addictive experience," Varia told Bored Panda.
"There is an infinite amount of humor and beauty to discover. And on a separate level, the historical propaganda visuals are highly topical in today's world—people make connections to what is happening today in politics, in international relations, in society... It's fascinating to look back and see certain parallels. For example, Soviet vaccine campaign posters have been a particular hit in recent months," she noted that history tends to repeat itself.
“We Are Not Raising Our Sons For War!" Soviet Poster, 1957
Azerbaijani Wedding, USSR, 1965
"Soviet Visuals is a time capsule of the past. It is most definitely not about promoting the Soviet regime or even justifying its existence. I think the overwhelming majority of our followers understand that. That said, someone on the internet will always feel insulted: in our case, the ratio of complaints is roughly 50/50 between 'you are not pro-Soviet enough' and 'you are not 'anti-Soviet enough'. For me, this means that we are in the right place," the founder of 'Soviet Visuals' explained a bit about the online community.
Since launching the project, Varia has published a book, founded a small online store, and written up the entire history of 'Soviet Visuals.'
Soviet Postcard, 1955
School Pencil Case, USSR, 1970s
Belka The Space Dog Upon Returning From Her Cosmic Voyage. USSR, August 1960
I'm glad she survived the trip. How many other "volunteers" were not so lucky?
The ‘Soviet Visuals’ project is very popular on Facebook, with over 824.7k followers waiting for the newest updates. The page has over a third of a million followers on Twitter, as well as a further quarter of a million on Instagram.
The brutalist architecture, avant-garde art, and quirky photos all draw in quite a crowd. The project has fans all over the world, including from inside the former USSR, as well as elsewhere. ‘Soviet Visuals’ calls itself the “internet's largest social archive of visuals from across the former USSR.”
Pictures Of A Russian Meteorologist Who Spent 30 Years At An Arctic Meteorology Base. By Evgenia Arbugaeva
Children In Sleeping Bags Are Being Taken To Have Their Mid-Day Nap, 1930s, Ussr
"Down With CPSU". Soviet Punks During The August 1991 Coup In Moscow
The Soviet Union has its roots in the 1917 Russian Revolution and the Russian Civil War. The USSR was formed in 1922 and was controlled, on all levels, by the Communist Party until eventually collapsing in 1991.
At the height of its power, the USSR encompassed 15 republics: Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belorussia, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Anyone who’s opened up a history book likely knows the extent of repressions that many living in these republics faced on their way to independence. The USSR has a legacy of violence that cannot be erased.
Soviet Cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev Was In Space When The Soviet Union Fell Apart In 1991. Unable To Return Home, He Had To Stay In Space Until Further Notice. The Cosmonaut Eventually Returned Back To Earth After 10 Months In Orbit - To A Very Different Nation. Photo By Volkov/Tass
Good lord, how must that have felt... "stay in space until further notice" (or forever...?)
And be sure to wear your onesie when in photos!
Load More Replies...Amazing to think that pile of barely functional 1990s computers was able to send a rocket into space and keep an astronaut alive for a prolonged period of time.
Check out pics of the 1960s NASA space capsules. Just dials, switches and meters. No computers.
Load More Replies...I hope he lacks for nothing and has free pass to every garden, museum and taverna in the world.
probably the longest space flight until the space station was built
Spring In Yakutsk, 1967
Post-Soviet Visual. "The Return" Painting By Georgy Kurasov, Russia, 2005
TikTok star Alyssa, who lives in the US, but is half Russian and half Ukrainian explained to Bored Panda that many outsiders are awestruck by how direct Russians are in how they communicate.
“In my experience, Americans who visit Russia are surprised at how directly Russians communicate. Russians say what they mean and don’t go out of their way to cushion your feelings the way that Americans are trained to do. Russians tend to value ‘honesty’ over ‘niceness,'” she said, adding that one way to bridge any culture gap is through food. “Lots and lots of food. Burgers and borsch.”
Post-Soviet Visual. Meanwhile In The Moscow Metro
They look amazing. If I wore this I’d be a thing of horror…..with broken ankles.
May Day Celebration. Photo By Ilya Pavlyuk, Lviv, Ukrainian SSR, 1968
Soviet Linguist, Epigrapher And Ethnographer Yuri Knorozov, Who Is Particularly Renowned For The Pivotal Role His Research Played In The Decipherment Of The Maya Script, The Writing System Used By The Pre-Columbian Maya Civilization Of Mesoamerica, 1971
Meanwhile, the moderators running the ‘A Normal Day in Russia’ subreddit shared with us that there is a constant challenge when it comes to stereotypes. Russian culture is often seen as one-dimensional in some parts of the world.
"We are trying to steer away from negative content and try to highlight the actual normal day in Russia, the beauty of the country, and the people who live there," they said.
"Russian people are direct, they will not hide their feelings and they will tell you what's on their mind, without sugarcoating. Yet, they will welcome you with open arms and treat you as part of the family.”
Babies Sleep Well In The Air In A Light Frost. Nursery №155. Dzerzhinsky District Of Moscow. Photographer Dmitry Baltermantz. 1958
"8 March-International Women's Day" Soviet Postcard, 1961
Belka And Strelka, Soviet Space Dogs. Photo By Yuri Krivonosov, 1960
Some internet users have an overly romantic, naive, and unrealistic view of what living in the Soviet era was like. "If we go back in time where socialism or communism were at their prime, we can see that the top of the head of the system was corrupted and that resulted with the fall of the system," Angel, the founder of 'Humans of Capitalism,' told Bored Panda previously.
In their view, developing technologies might bring about "automated communism where machines will produce, deliver, and take care of food supply, clothing, health."
Soviet Swimmer Maria Havrish Congratulates Her Rival Elena Kovalenko, Who Defeated Her In The Breaststroke Competition At The Spartakiad Of The Peoples Of The USSR In Moscow, 1956
Kievskaya Metro Station. Photo By Dean Conger, Moscow, USSR, 1964
I will never forget the Moscow Metro. I rode it every day for a few weeks while visiting the city. Huge and beautiful.
Ice Swimmers In Kiev, Ukrainian SSR, 1960s
They said that this kind of mass automation could be an extension of what is happening right now and could lead to even more major layoffs.
“The idea of getting free food, water, health, clothing, is nice and, in reality, if we take a closer look at the current system we can see that more people are let off and replaced by machines. For example, we can see that McDonald's workers are fired and they have been replaced with machines that work on touch or by sound and they take orders, forward orders to the employees, etc." According to them, the main question to answer would be who would manage and maintain these automated processes.
Bread On Sale In A Supermarket. Photo By Chris Niedenthal, Sofia, People's Republic Of Bulgaria, 1985
Propaganda photo. Never was so much bread in a market. Bread and other basic food, like milk, eggs, margarine and so on, was sold in ticket-systems on per person/quotas. People usually were staying hours in queue not just in USSR, but also in post-soviet countries, like Bulgaria.
The Remains Of A Concrete Apartment Building In Kirovsky, A Former Fisherman Village In Kamchatka Which Was Abandoned In 1964
Snow Drifts In Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. Photo By Yuri Sadovnikov, USSR, 1968
"My Grandma With Her Classmates. Lori Region, Armenia, 1966-1967"
Soviet Postcard, 1956
Soviet Cosmonauts Yuri Gagarin And Gherman Titov In Their Flight Suits And Helmets, In A Bus Heading Toward The Vostok 1 Launch Site In Baykonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan, USSR, On 12 April 1961. Gagarin Was Soon To Become Famous As The First Man In Space
Young Pioneers In Defense Drill. Photo By Viktor Bulla, Leningrad, USSR, 1937
"Architect" Soviet Construction Kit For Children, 1980s
Boy Standing In Front Of Fallen Statue Of Lenin. Photo By Dario Mitidieri, Ethiopia, 1991
Apparently Ethiopia had a brief Marxist-Leninist government, in case you were wondering.
Leonid Brezhnev And Erich Honecker. Photo By Helmuth Lohmann, Berlin, GDR, 1979
For clarity: "The socialist fraternal kiss was a special form of greeting between socialist leaders. The act demonstrated the special connection that exists between socialist countries, consisting of an embrace, along with a series of three kisses on alternate cheeks. In rare cases, when the two leaders considered themselves exceptionally close, the kisses were given on the mouth rather than on the cheeks." Wikipedia
Dutch Fashion Models Sonja Bakker And Femke Van De Bosch In Moscow. Photo By Paul Huf, USSR 1965
Baby Yoda Is Just Capitalist Cheburashka. May The 4th Be With You!
Oh, that.little guy was popular in Sweden in the 70-s. He had a crocodile buddy and they was called Drutten and Gena here.
Amanauz Hotel Abandoned During Construction, Dombay, USSR, 1985
Post-Soviet Visual. Fish Sellers In The Market Of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Russia, March 1993
Vacationers Sunbathing On The Coast Of The Gulf Of Riga In Jurmala. Photo By Yakov Berliner, Latvian SSR, 1975
Self-Made New Year Robot Costume, USSR, 1964
Post-Soviet Visual
World Chess Champion Anatoly Karpov (Right) Holds Demo Game At The Sports Festival Dedicated To The XVIII Komsomol Congress. Photo By Vladimir Rodionov, USSR, 24 April 1978
"The Face Of Imperialism" Soviet Belarusian Poster, 1967
Note: this post originally had 120 images. It’s been shortened to the top 40 images based on user votes.
Thank you for this post, it reminds me childhood of my parents and old movies from our country and that's nice. But I think we should point out that while there were some things that communist countries did right, it was still a totalitarian regime. People had to actively profess communism in all areas of life, even in the completely unrelated areas like science, even in their personal lifes, otherwise lives of them and their families got ruined. Even though they all may have not get to gulag or prison, they got discriminated in all areas of life. I feel I should state that I get a plea for social security and equality and I support it, but idealising communism is not a good idea. I believe that we can do better than that.
A hundred upvotes. THe PTSD group I co-run has survivors of Soviet-era regimes. We can do better than that, and better than current capitalism. Equality, social safety, yes. Having to kiss a Party card? No.
As long as i remember, it's the US thing to praise flag. That's psychological projection. And about "survivors"... People can lie to get more profit, you know? E.g. to get citizenship as "a victim of regime". Just think for a while, why millions of people here don't have PTSD?.. We're still live here, btw. The vast majority don't want to leave. And if some want, it's like move to bigger city with more opportunities. It's so obvious if you just realise there is no "land of evil", that people are people everywhere. My husband used to work abroad, saw the world, different countries. He doesn't want to emigrate. Was it worse in past? Of course, there was no Internet! But some things were better, when bureaucrats didn't yet find the loopholes in laws to ignore human rights. Everything good we have now is not from the Empire. It's from "evil regime". Let it rest in peace, please. The idea was good, the realization was sometimes really bad, but it let good people did good things too.
Of for heaven's sake, Olga. Relax. You can rest assured your Party card is safe! Good grief. WHy don't you have PTSD? B/c you weren't the ones traumatized. THere you go. Natch. I said Soviet-era *regimes* . I recommend you read up on nation-level PTSD. THere's good work on it in the Mujica era of Uruguay's recovery years.
I follow on facebook. Pictures are nice but the comments are a cesspool of the nastiest anti-Soviet trolls ever. Had one guy threaten to report me to the "history diploma manager" because he didn't like me pointing out his doom and gloom version of the USSR wasn't accurate. That was kinda funny. All the abusive comments not so much. People are so deeply invested in the "Evil empire" Cold War style narrative. I see how my adviser and his friend got things thrown at them at conferences when he would challenge that. Now conferences are online, so I'm glad I don't have to deal with that kind of heckling. Bt I get the impression publishing the article I am working on now about repression ( turns out in Kirov most people who were arrested as enemies of the people had their court cases over turned on review a year or two later and went right back into party or state leadership roles) is going to be fun because it doesn't fit expectations.
I'm sorry you had to experience such attitude. I guess some people just need someone to hate and look down to, and have a hard time parting with long-established prejudices.
Mostly its the long established prejudices. In the US Soviet Studies is rooted in Cold War scholars and rhetoric and its going to take a long time to get past the old ways of thinking.
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Samantha hates men so she gets it
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Sammy is trolling.
I'm sorry to sound so contrary Brîndusa (sorry, no cedilla option on my 's'!) but I have to disagree. I think you guys definitely have different perspectives and opinions, and for all I know this is a topic of sensitivity for you, something of which I would be ignorant. But Samantha imo isn't a troll, I've seen her withstand actual trolls far too often, as many people have had to endure on here (and anywhere online really). I'm not trying to make you feel invalid or to offend you, genuinely. I'll stop here coz I tend to waffle (sorry)
Well Brîndușa is an actual troll cause all their posts to me have been about name calling and belittling, not substance. And I'm aware its an emotional subject and a willing to have substantive discussions if the other side is actually capable of listening.
Gotcha :( no I don't doubt for a moment your understanding, I just wasn't sure what the reason for her gruntled feelings 🤷♀️ All I did/do know is you are intelligent and well spoken(written?), a lot more level headed than I am in these situations, and you use specifics and details when talking about events. Which I appreciate as my world history/non western history knowledge is severely lacking.
Umm… what exactly was inaccurate? USSR history does include doom and gloom and eventual collapse. I get that USA is in a bad place and is looking for inspiration elsewhere but maybe look at Scandinavia and not at USSR.
THank you. US history does, too. We'd like a good example, not a backlash. Those are dangerous.
Well, given how deeply invested the world is in seeing the US as "wholly evil/stupid/bad", I suppose it's karma, but can we please stop talking about it all as oppositional, competitive? I've spoken to people from the USSR (yes, before Gorby even) and they were taught things about the US as equally skewed. To sum up, as Berke Breathed di in Bloom County, and you can google the strip: "Communist Android. SHeep Pimp." .....
Thanks, but I'd rather not get arrested at all. But I kinda get you. I've noticed that some people in the US preach against communism without really knowing what it is or why it's actually bad, as if it was bad only because it was against America. That seems to push people dissatisfied with America to idolize communism. Which is really bad idea.
Oh I used to teach hisory of the USSR at Pitt and it was terrible. Students had no idea what it was but were convinced it was bad just the same
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@Sammy Lomb Ok, you should continue to teach them your crap "history" and stop trolling everybody's opinion.Especially when you are talking about your research in the country of freedom of speech named Russia (or in any ex soviet country).I don't buy your шит.Don't bother me with your trolling as you won't impress me.
Its funny that you literally came just to s**t post but call me a troll
Have you read the "Gulag Archipelago"? I think it might help inform on the atmosphere of Russia and repression.
I just spent my weekend going through files related to more than 100 district party secretaries and district executive committee chairmen to see what happened to them. 29 were arrested as enemies of the people. Of that number 26 were freed within 2 years on review of their cases. Most returned to roles in society society like director of the teacher training institute, or district prosecutor. One died in prison awaiting trial. One served 8 years and is not listed as a repression victim which means he was likely convicted of a different crime. Of the 100 men I looked at though 10 died at the hands of Nazis. So please don't lecture me about what might inform me about the atmosphere of repression. And FYI Solzhenitsyn was not part of Stalinist repression in 1937-8. He was arrested after WWII.
Solzhenitsyn is a terrible source and is pretty much just used as a straw man by anyone who actually studies gulag history. The best you can use him for his his personal experiences in the gulag, but you certainly can't take those as representative of the whole system. If you want a better book on reprssion I recommend anything by Arch Getty such as his Origin of the Great Purges, or on Gulags Wilson Bell is good.
Ok, Lie Monster, but have you read comments of those, who really were in GULAG? They called out BS. 1) how can several guards with 5 shot gun drive hundred if people to burn alive in fire? Would you prefer to burn alive rather than to be shot? People jump from windows of burning houses. 2) They could never work people to death, because dead people don't do the job, and GULAG had the plan to be done. 3) 40 000 people disappear during building the railway? During winter? 200 people per day? Srsly? What secrecy can cover this amount of death? And when most of death could be because of hunger? In 1941 when there was no hunger? 4) "1/4 of Leningrad were in jail". There were abt 2 000 000 people at the time. Mostly men were imprisoned. So, 500 000, half of men. Exclude children and elders. That's 2/3. 2/3 of workers of the town. Disappeared. Are you kidding me? All the factories would stop working. And who were drafted for WW II? Should i continue, or it is enough?
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Hmm, Did he report you because you had a disagreement about history or because you instantly swore at him, called him derogatory names and acted rudely?
Huh it seems conservative men on all platforms have problems with women who have opinions
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The key part of history is "story". I'll leave it at that.
Wow, what a wild foreign stuff 😱
I can't believe some of the comments I am reading here talking about for USSR was not that bad. Well, tell that to my family exiled to Irkutsk Gulag in Siberia for absolutely nothing, some of them did not come back.
Please, louder. Some here around didn't hear it well enough, it seems. Sorry for your family.
Here in America we romanticize the eastern bloc. We downplay the millions of death and oppression. Students don't realize how horrific authoritarian governments can be. Panda commenters keep saying if only the government went socialist and started taking care of us for free!
My grandfather was prisoned for murder(not really), what is your point? You cant say that too get us emotional without saying the reason of imprisonment. Gulag is a prison ,ussr had outlaws too ,they served their sentence in a prison
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Nothing was fun during the soviet era. I don't see the photos of the lines for food, or gulags, or the Lubianka.
Or Bloody Sunday in Lithuania
Or Vietnam. Oh, wait...
Was Vietnam forced to be a part of Soviet Russia or what was your point?
No, it wasn't. In fact, it would be more accurate to say that it was violently forced to be a French colonial state by the US Army.
Unfortunatley, I didn't know that. I went to read about it. Thank you for pointing this !
Yes.
Yep, nauseating that people are romanticising it. Ask my grandmother about being sent to Siberia.
Upvoting. And sorry for your grandmother. Hopefully, as the communist era is not so far, there are some people who still can witness it.
Upvoting b/c it's insane to me that the Soviet era has apologists and admirers. It's no more or less admirable than the US, overall, but the anti-US sentiment is encouraging people to admire what was not, overall, admirable. Surreal to me.
Leo. Most of USSR haters are ex-USSR countries. And they perform this position by nationalism and genocide. (The most weird one was from Georgia for Stalin himself was Georgian). How is this good? USSR at least had good intentions about multinationality. Although globalism erased a lot local culture traditions. Still there is 18 000 free scolarships for foreign students per year in our Universities. Not much, but still.
@Olga, We could debate a lot about history ---- causes and effects ----- but end of the day, "Good intentions" is a weak defense. It's weak because all -isms have those good intentions, as sdefined by the perpetrators of the -ism. The US and CHina have "good intentions". By their standards, the Taliban does. Rome's empire had "good intentions". WHich, proverbially, pave the road to hell. I was taught that by age 12, in brutal fashion. Now do please leave me alone. Stalin killed about 3 million if we're including the deaths of people who simply were "neglected" to death, and if you include the famine, that's about 8 million, using post-dissolution data. SPeak of genocide, how about the NKVD "relocation" of minorities deemed a "threat to the state"? USSR is not innocent of genocide. Chechens in particular suffered high mortality in that relocation. US has its trail of tears, so did USSR.
In case of your "Trail of tears" you say "we should prove". In our case you scream "how dare you say anything good about it". If i will write under every pic of your Grandma "they lynched black people"? Because that's what you do now, literally.
@Olga, you truly should not have brought up my grandmother. YOu say you were kind in your comments, you say we repeat like parrots ----- which you then do! ----- but you bring up my *grandmother*? Your vaunted women's rights were BS: Women were still expected to do all housework and child-rearing, so that was not equality! Jobs were created that were only there to make the system look good. What racial equality? Afro-Russians are asked if thery're really RUssian! Freedom? Ask Pussy Riot! Exiles did not end ---- they were renamed "relocations". YOu have *no* idea what my mother's family endured under your darling Soviets, so I think I was pretty rational considering that you've implied they're liars and worse. No. THey just didn't like the Party running everything in life right down to whether they had food. Now, please leave it. We won't agree, and I'm not ignoring my nation's issues (US), so just leave it. And don't bring up grandmothers. Just a tip.
Yep there are good points and bad points. For example of bad, Holodomor in Ukraine.
The hunger of 1932-1933, 1 of 3. It was in several regions, worst % was in Kazakhstan (because there was not only bad planning - "effective management" of the time defeated science once again - but also insane attempt to convert nomadic people into farmers. That's where real horror was! Read about it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%931933). The word "Holodomor," was created to made it look like act of genocide against Ukrainian people. How can genocide of one republic made victims in others? I'm from Povolzhye, was this hunger side effect of their genocide? And what about other two? There were cases of cannibalism in my region. That was horrible. But we never call it "genocide of Povolzhye".
You are totally correct. I cannot stand the people who push the whole Holodmor narrative because it is so deeply dishonest.
So you can s**t on every kind comment, but i should leave you alone) I feel like Mary Maloney now, thank you) And you clearly haven't worked with refugees from Grozny, have you? You repeat like a parrot every horror, real or made-up, and deny everything which contradicts your image. Communists didn't came to the land of rainbow ponies and turned it into Mordor. Executions and exiles (which existed in the Empire along with class system) ended. Free education (including third-level) and healthcare, social payments, women's rights, racial and social equality - developed and exist nowadays. Was it perfect? Hell, no. Was regime the epitome of evil? Regime that colonised half of the world still exists, where is your anger? Regime that made Reservations and segregation still exist, where is your anger? No, in this case you accept "it became better", but proceed to punch dead body of another country's past regime. Kick it when it's down, spit on those who buried it and feel a hero. Good job!
As opposed to the extreme poverty and ghettos in America? Or the fact that America has the highest percent of the population in jail of any developed country (by a significant factor). Or maybe Bloody Sunday in the UK? Or residential schools in Canada? -- People are always happy to throw stones at foreign cultures, and then make excuses for their own.
You mean like some people excusing everything from the Soviet Union as okay b/c it had, on paper, all thes other things? Like that?
Let's also not forget quantities of invasions. Russia in the soviet era: Afghanistan. Since then: Ukraine. Whereas during the cold war to the present day I think USA bombed or invaded up to 26 countries. I'll have to google to check the figure.
@ZAPanda, check with Hungary, unless you don't think that was during the Cold War?
Agree. How can somebody glorify Soviet era. It is like glorify nazi era. Both was very bad, painful, deadly eras. Here in Slovakia is illegal to glorify nazis or communists (soviets). Both are regimes suppressing human rights…
There is a massive, massive difference between totalitarianism to consolidate power and totalitarian genocide/mass eugenics campaigns. While both are bad, the motives are extremely different. One is an interpretation of an ideology that an individual used for self-serving purposes, the other is the ideology itself being one that promotes atrocities. If you read the actual Communist Manifesto, you'll find that Stalin deliberately sabotaged it in order to centralize his power- he forcibly kept the USSR in the "transitional" economy rather than returning power to the working councils, because he wanted the power. Nazism, on the other hand, is literally an ideology created and coined to promote eugenics, mass murder, and human rights abuses.
Marx and Engels wrote the communist manifesto as a manifesto. There is almost no mention of any concrete plan for communism in it and its mostly about how being working class at the time sucked. Stalin didn't sabotage it because again, it contains almost no concrete description of what communism should be.
Not really, this sounds very plannish to me: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm ... search for points 1-10: 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Those are general functions of a state. How to actually do that is notably missing
It directly states that the end goal of any communist movement is to give complete control of the means of production to the people as a whole, which Stalin never did, even when he had plenty of chances.
He did because the state is the representative body of the people.
@Milan, it should be illegal everywhere. I salute you in Slovakia for making it illegal! I don't agree wiht glorifying any single -ism. All systems have flaws, usually the people in them, who turn them into the same nightmare that the -ism was meant to "solve".
Exactly. Both nazism and communism are abominations. Slovakia, like other central and eastern countries suffered from both, as depicted in "Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin".
Yeah Tim Snyder's book also got ripped to shred by reviewers. it's only popular among people who like pop history and have a strong anti-Soviet bent. Like you
"ripped to shred by reviewers": not really. Or maybe by "reviewers" you already agree with. Everybody who has some common sense should be anti-soviet and anti-communist.
I hardly think top US Academic journals particularly in the spheres of Russian and Soviet history are secretly hot beds of leftism.
Thanks for foreignsplain! We should be living hell, like North Korea, right? Except you can actually google and (drumroll) visit yourself and be shocked when you don't find Mordor full of orcs and zombies. Btw, now i have doubts abt N.K.. If some portrays my country i live in (and foreignsplain it to me) like this, maybe it's not completely true abt another country they portray? Wouldn't say anything before i check it myself now.
She totally posts pictures of Liubyanka. You just clearly didn't look hard enough
How about a picture of Katyn Forest? .... Before they put a stone on the site and said, "Uh, oops, that wasn't the Nazis", as if Poles didn't already know who did that.
Glad Bored Panda got the opportunity to speak about its own past :)
Having recently become fascinated with the Cold War era (visiting a nuclear shelter was the first step on this road) its interesting to see the side of things the West didn’t during that time
I was a teenager in America and into punk music in the late 80s early 90s and was fascinated as to why I couldn't find out more about why punk culture was banned and kids couldn't go to punk shows, we just knew the government didn't allow for any "anarchistic ideals". There wasn't really the internet back then and propaganda was all you could find. Info was locked up pretty tight on both sides. It's nice to see that for common folk we really aren't all that different.
Actually I did an interview with a woman called Joan Stingray who was part of the Russian Rock/ punk scene in the 1980s. You can find it by googling us. She has a book out called Red Wave you may find interesting
Ooh.... On it!! 💗👍
Anarchist ideas aren't exactly allowed or accepted in America, either. Just look at the reports about the FBI in Portland- deliberately inciting violence at anarchist rallies because they wanted an excuse to arrest the anarchists. There's no moral high ground.