28 Examples Of Hilariously Unrealistic Expectations When Applying For A Job Interview With Author
Far from every interview is a success and a lot of us have some nightmare stories to tell. But the nightmare usually starts with the first filter—actually qualifying for the job which can have high demands and low rewards. Sometimes, it can seem like even waiting tables and brewing coffee requires a Bachelor’s or a Master’s degree (talk about inflation, right?).
One of the people who posted about unrealistic expectations is Sebastián Ramírez, who created FastAPI 1.5 years ago. According to him, the job post requires 4+ years of experience in FastAPI and even he, the founder, couldn’t apply for the job. Which brings us to the main question: why do companies do this?
Inspired by Sebastián's post, we've collected examples of some of the most unrealistic criteria that recruiters have had while hiring professionals for job positions, so scroll down and upvote the ones that left an impression on you. We also know that this is something that a lot of you Pandas can relate to, so be sure to share your own job-hunting experiences in the comments. Read on for Bored Panda’s in-depth interview with Sebastián about companies setting unrealistic standards for potential employees.
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At this moment this is the last item on the list and it for sure is the worst. I still hope it's only a joke.
“I understand recruiters need to try and get the best candidates for their organizations, that's what they are trying to achieve. But they don't have a way to know beforehand who will be good at a certain job and who won't. So they have to resort to some type of proxy for that information,” Sebastián went into detail why some recruiters have very high and sometimes unrealistic expectations for potential employees.
“And probably for legacy reasons and status quo, the main proxies for that information have been a degree and ‘years of experience.’ It's simple and easy to measure, years of experience is just a number, and a degree is a specific name (or set of names).”
Sebastián then explained what the negative side effects of this type of thinking can be. “Those indicators don't really measure someone's ability to perform some tasks,” he said.
Do you really think I'd still be in webdev if I had a time machine?
“A degree (or set of degrees) in many cases indicates that someone went to a specific physical location periodically for a long period of time, studying certain related subjects, reading and studying about those subjects, and finding a way to pass many, many exams. Those degrees for sure indicate perseverance doing that for years. And although it means that someone had available several ways to acquire some knowledge and skills, it doesn't necessarily mean that person was able to get them.”
He continued: “And then, the exams try to measure someone's ability to do something but are still a heavily simplified way to measure it, another proxy. And in cases, those passed exams to get a degree were measuring skills that might not necessarily be perfectly related to the ones the recruiter cares about.”
You have to be available 40 hours a week but you'll only get at maximum $100 a week. So no second job but $10 dollars an hour? You needed a degree too
According to Sebastián, its “highly admirable” when people are capable of learning a lot of skill sand studying a lot for a long time. “That is probably the actual objective of someone getting a degree. But the degree itself is not the only way to prove that someone did that. And in cases, it might not even be the best way to prove that,” he said.
“At the same time, someone else might acquire the needed skills for the required tasks, but not necessarily through the established ways to get a degree. This becomes even more evident in industries like technology, that move faster than what a rigid education system can always follow,” Sebastián told us.
“On the other hand, years of experience is another proxy that assumes that every person will find the same obstacles (or at least the same amount or type of obstacles) as any other person, learning the same ideas, developing the same skills. But the problem is that one person might keep doing the same thing for a long period of time, accumulating "years of experience" but not actually acquiring new skills. And at the same time, someone could quickly learn new technologies that allow them to perform different tasks more easily, learn how to perform many different tasks, or handle some complex problems and learn how to overcome some difficult obstacles, acquiring a lot of actual ‘experience’ and skills in a very short period of time.”
Would hate to know what qualifications are needed for a senior role.
Duuh, if you're really good at swift, you work so swiftly that you get several years experience every year.
Looking for a job can feel like you’re in the Stone Age, hunting for an elusive, quick-footed, and surprisingly picky gazelle that will only let you catch it if you have the right, overinflated qualifications. You’re famished but the gazelle keeps taunting you: “No Master’s degree? No dinner!”
Replace the gazelle with recruiters who have unrealistic criteria while hiring professionals and you’re back in the 21st century, struggling to find a job during the (pardon my French) crapfest that is 2020.
We get it, recruiters want to find the ‘perfect’ candidate to fill each and every job opening. However, impractical expectations about the job market can do more harm than good: the person who can do the job well and with passion can also be someone who doesn’t qualify because their job experience is ‘insufficient.’ Or ‘wrong.’
There is some truth to this though. Most jobs require skills in the field of teamwork, communication, flexibility, stressmanagement, timemanagement, etc. That's why people that seem qualified on paper aren't necessarily the best fit for the job. Tests such as these can help as they tell the employer something on these matters (as well as on someone's analytical skills).
British recruitment experts Brand Recruitment explained that companies want a proper return on investment. However, they often “don’t actually know what they’re looking for at all” while their job descriptions, especially for new positions can look like a “5-year-old’s Christmas list, with bullet point after bullet point of everything they MUST have.”
Recruiters also have to be realistic when it comes to actual job performance. Ideally, they want to find a new employee who can do their job immediately without any training. Contrast that to the idea that recruiters should find people who have a lot of potential but require nurturing and guidance. Unfortunately, hidden gems stay hidden and don’t get a chance to shine if companies only want a bunch of boxes ticked (and a Master’s degree for a 15 dollar hourly wage).
Hahaha just like 'key workers'. Not sure if this translates worldwide, but those that kept working despite low pay and a pandemic. We thank you for your service! (I do, but that was good old fashioned British sarcasm).
Alright! I qualify! I have a bullsh** degree in engineering, plus I am over ten years old. Ka-ching!
That's less than I get paid for 25+ years at the Fire Department. Lol
HR were told to employ 3 people with 4 years experience and HR went "Why not one person with all the experience!" while thinking of all the money they would save
That's actually called "Project management", btw, if you have all the reqs they listed, and preferred experience... YOU DO NOT NEED THIS JOB. OMG. Who writes this stuff?!
process engineering is field work in a refinery, operating equipment, running process equipment. entry level is probably a reflection of it being a unionized spot, so senior positions are filled according to seniority, experience, competency etc. But een entry level positions pay well probably $25-$30/hr
Not uncommon at all...that's why it's so hard to pay back student loans.
If their job listing is already a mess, then think of what the actual job environment will be. My suggestion, keep far away from places like these.
I completely agree. Line managers not actively involved in the recruitment process are probably going to make lazy bosses.
That's unfortunately not always possible, especially if you need an entry job.
One of the biggest issues I find is that a lot of jobs want “experience necessary” which is understandable but how are you going to get the experience if no one will hire you without having it. Especially when they advertise for a junior, like come on.
My son is having this problem just graduating with an Industrial Engineering degree. The vast majority of job listing are asking for very specific experience/qualifications.
You gotta get in at a bottom level. Doesn't happen often. I've worked for County and State Government where we had to take a test and get on a list. The first time, I was 19 and got a job with a county in California as a Typist Clerk I. I had taken shorthand and 2 years of typing in High School. That's all. No clerking somewhere. No working in the office or library at school. I worked my way up to a clerical manager with the State of California. It's possible... you just have to know where to look and government admin jobs are the best way to get in, see where you might want to go in the government (great benefits and regular raises) OR build your skills while you take night classes to go elsewhere. Won't work for everyone, but it is a way to get into a good paying career as long as you don't care about what you do. :-)
Truth. After applying for finance jobs for nearly a year I applied to work for the State of Texas. Got the job within a month as an auditor. Within the first year I found out many of the executives at the financial institutions we were former examiners lol. These companies won't hire us at first but after we've been examiners for 4 years they seek us out.
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How thirsty you gotta be to "advertise" on Bored Panda.... grow up and think higher of yourself my God... what would your mother say... or better your grandma? Gross
I like how honest these companies are about what they stand for. Greed, cluelessness, disorganization, stupidity.
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These postings are mostly written by HR staff, who are pretty useless anyway. What company are you running BTW?
Every organisation I ever worked for the HR department fully expected the line managers to be involved in checking the ads, person specs and job descriptions because HR staff aren't going to know the details necessary for every job. If you want to get the right people it's worth making the effort up front.
In my opinion 10+ years of experience in ANYTHING is a ridiculous demand. If you've done something for 3 to 5 years you will have become very proficient at it. Not much you can learn after that.
Ummm... I'll speak up here in defense of the sciences. If medical personnel don't keep learning after 3-5 years, someone dies. Sooo.... Yeah. You can learn. And keep learning. Always. Peace.
Came to comments to say just that!
HR rejected one of my applications for a job in my field for which I have a specialized degree because they didn't know the terminology in that profession. The next application I sent in (same organization, same HR department) I dumbed down my wording the application and got the job at twice the salary of the first job. Worked out in the end, but so frustrating to not even get an interview when I was well qualified, just because HR was making the decisions.
Truth, when I started grad school several years ago I was going for an MFS (master's in financial science). I had several recruiters at hiring events tell me to drop that. No one knows what an MFS is. After applying for over 50 jobs and not getting a single call back I switched to an MBA even though it ment I would lose a whole semester. Sure enough, the next job I applied for called me back.
But applying for a position as a police officer and carrying a gun doesn't need any experience at all.... I just don't get most things about the US' logic.
Markin89 no
Markin89 what
Particularly the US have a too great focus on using resumes. With the curriculum vitae typical in Europe, this does not happen to quickly. Moreover, what we see here is when advertisments are created by HR rather than being supervised by HR. Instead of 3, 5, 7, 10 years of experiences in they could rather write basic, medium, advanced, expert knoweldge of...
Many of these entries seem to be serious and they are outright appaling.
It's absolutely disgusting. This is why the private sector needs regulation.
It's not just tech and white collared companies either. 0-5f0dad8bd9399.jpg
Alexis Maven like
HR is a huge problem. People not knowing what those they are to hire do, not knowing what is important there, but analyzing your personality so they can weed out everyone who ... well, everyone. Fire all HR and everything is fine!
In my town we have a state run mental hospital and I applied to work there. I have a bachelor's degree and thought that would help me get a job at this place. Instead my degree has kept me from getting a job at this place. I have been told that the reason is probably because they don't understand why a person with a college education wants to do a job that only requires a high school diploma. The other job I would like to do is teach history. However, since I live in small town Texas, most of the high school history teacher positions are given to coaches.
Being in IT the worst interview I got was from an HR person that was asking me questions taken directly from the MSCE exam , worst she translated the questions in french and OU in french means "or", so when she was reading the questions instead of saying O.U. (organization unit) she would say "or" which completely changed the meaning of the phrase, after a few non sense questions I stopped and ask if OU was in upper case in her document, she said yes, had to make her reread all the questions.
This is utterly ridiculous. How is that even possible?
I had the same experience recently. I applied for a job using a program I have 10+ yrs experience in and am certified in. I didn't get the job because I didn't have experience in the online version of the same program, which essentially is a simpler version.
I once spent an evening trying to get my flatmate to explain to me what he did in his role in HR and how he helped the company in any way. He could not explain either. Was on 25k a year though....
HRs only job is to mitigate lawsuits against the company. They are not your friend no matter how much they claim they are.
Millennials were basically indoctrinated at a young age that college is key. We go and then we’re in a mountain of debt, can’t find a decent job, and we’d get paid better at a company that doesn’t even require a college degree.
Really F%#king Depressing ...
I've noticed most of these are IT related. Finance is even worse. When I was attempting to transition from customer service to a finance job, all the large companies would start you as an unpaid intern and you were required to have a BA in finance with at minimum a 3.5 GPA and you must have your school send an official transcript. I later found our from a friend that the hiring manager would look at what college the transcripts came from and if it wasn't from Texas A&M it went straight to the trash can.
And this bullshit is why it's so hard to find a job these days, even if you are qualified.
Sean Harrison Good response!
Some of these seem fake. However a lot of these have to do with HR people who put out these hiring calls, having no clue about the field their company works in. The actual bosses say they need someone and with what qualification, and the HR people to try and make themselves seem better than they are by thinking they can land something much better than what the boss wants, tend to add on all these extra's without knowing anything about it.
When I look for a job I interview them to figure out if they meet my qualifications for an employer. If it's not a good fit I move on
HR and HR consultants live in a parallel universe to the rest of us. Take it from someone who works with them
I had a homework in grad school where we had to look at scholarships appropriate for our level. A Japanese scholarship posted on the entry-level site required a PhD and a Nobel nomination... I'm still thinking it was posted in the particular category by mistake but it was hilarious.
Hot tip for HR, recruiters, and managers: if it requires experience and a degree, and it's not just in lieu of a degree, then it's not entry level. Ever.
Why aren't we getting qualified candidates??
Something that gets to me as I am currently looking for work is jobs as a professor. Now hear me out because this is specifically for physics professor positions at a university. There are listings to teach Freshman level physics courses that require a PhD.... Which is the most ridiculous thing considering Freshman spend two years learning the physics that EVERYONE KNOWS, the physics which is technically wrong as physics curriculum students find out by their third year when they start learning real physics and why everything we knew before is wrong. From that moment on, through Master's and PhD, all of that information is worthless when teaching... Freshman level physics. I completely understand job positions for higher level courses, but a PhD to teach High School physics??? Physics that we were told to forget within our Bachelor Degree? This was my experience through my university, but was anyone else taught differently? Can I be missing something??? Maybe my curriculum was different
Here’s the thing. Once opon a time large companies aimed for lifetime employment. They trained up people internally, the bosses evaluated the performance of an employee against the needs of the empty position. Now companies tell themselves it’s more efficient to hire and fire as needed. So they go through this BS process , pretend it’s inevitable and tell themselves stories about proxies for actual knowledge of the person being put in the position. Here’s a thought, higher internally from people you know can do the job any you pay for their training.
This should be renamed to "Employers who have no idea what their job is".... The whole post reminds me of a typical situation of unqualified people who have no idea of job requirements get to sit in a high chair and bark out commands that are absolutely absurd to anyone who actually knows what their job is....
Was looking for a job recently, and saw a posting for an office administrator (i.e. receptionist). It said no experience required, because they would provide training, and paid my province's minimum wage. HOWEVER, they later said that a requirement to apply was that you have a Master's degree. For a minimum wage job that provides training. SMDH
yes its annoying you see job ads like this but IT applicants know recruiters lie on the ad requirements and recruiters know that applicants lie about experience in their CVs. Ive applied for and won contracts where I had no experience in the languages/technologies required (hmmm, data warehousing, know all about that). Google is your friend.
I'm SO glad not to be in the job market anymore. This reminds me of what a stressful, irritating nightmare it was.
What are they smoking on when they say "minimum x+ years"? How can you have a non-definite minimum? A minimum is by definition an absolute. Do they want 5 years or more than five? If five is the minimum how can more than five also be the minimum? Maybe they should apply some of these extreme criteria to their HR deps.
Pál Vattamanyi lol
Years ago, there was an ad for sys admin with 5+ years Windows 2000. It had been released the previous year. I didn't apply. I won't lie, so I don't have a job. IT jobs want experience in all the software they use, but even companies in the same industry seldom use the exact same mix.
A job I applied for a few years ago. This place was looking for a "Pizza Clock" (really, "Cook") Pizza-Cloc...ca6326.jpg
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It took a person with a job to write these job postings, meaning those with a job are quite obviously blatantly ignorant (lacking the education and experience which to do their job). Those with a job, the ignorant, are looking to hire people with the knowledge required to do the ignorant's job for them; also hire a person with the type of education and experience that (the ignorant alsodon't have) will contribute to the expansion/success of their company; and get paid next to nothing or nothing to do so. This is nothing new but it's become more and more blatantly evident to the point of, well, the above job postings. That said, ridiculous expectations of the ignorant aside, nowadays it isn't what you know but who you know.
Tina Russell ?
Mostly what I got out of this is I'm glad I dont work with databases. Seems finding a job would hurt my brain.
I just saw an ad from a business owner who wants to pay someone for 10 hours per month but wants them available all the time. Hilarious! How do some people even business?
More and more, companies are looking for "unicorn" employees. People who have massive skills, who have been laid off, and who are desperate for a job because of their personal debt load. --- Companies have also stopped "hiring to train", and are now cutting their risk by "hiring to run". They want top employees for bottom dollar. Unfortunately, those employees are often out there. --- NOTE: I avoid these listings, by always making sure to HAVE a new job for better pay already lined up, before leaving a job. And I have a list of recruiters, who know my skills and salary requirements, who I can mass email if I lose my job, so that I can get a new one ASAP.
If you don't have time to read this, it says "entry level".
Most of the time 'Entry Level' is put on because there is a drop down menu for creating the advert and there is no 'We will discuss the position that you are best suited to' Crap wages? It's not uncommon to arrive and they ask during the interview what you want to earn and the pay shown is usually the lowest for that company. I worked in fibre optics for a while and the position was something like Cable Layer and the wage was national minimum for the time. I got trained, my official position was Optical Data Cable Technician Second Class and I was earning £18 p/hr in 1988 On the other hand I saw a job that wanted someone with 5 years Microsoft Office experience when it had not long come out. I later heard that the supervisor who posted got chewed out for it as it made them look lime idiots
A lot of IT jobs in there. Welcome to my world.
Try finding work in anything else. IT is privileged in comparison.
If their job listing is already a mess, then think of what the actual job environment will be. My suggestion, keep far away from places like these.
I completely agree. Line managers not actively involved in the recruitment process are probably going to make lazy bosses.
That's unfortunately not always possible, especially if you need an entry job.
One of the biggest issues I find is that a lot of jobs want “experience necessary” which is understandable but how are you going to get the experience if no one will hire you without having it. Especially when they advertise for a junior, like come on.
My son is having this problem just graduating with an Industrial Engineering degree. The vast majority of job listing are asking for very specific experience/qualifications.
You gotta get in at a bottom level. Doesn't happen often. I've worked for County and State Government where we had to take a test and get on a list. The first time, I was 19 and got a job with a county in California as a Typist Clerk I. I had taken shorthand and 2 years of typing in High School. That's all. No clerking somewhere. No working in the office or library at school. I worked my way up to a clerical manager with the State of California. It's possible... you just have to know where to look and government admin jobs are the best way to get in, see where you might want to go in the government (great benefits and regular raises) OR build your skills while you take night classes to go elsewhere. Won't work for everyone, but it is a way to get into a good paying career as long as you don't care about what you do. :-)
Truth. After applying for finance jobs for nearly a year I applied to work for the State of Texas. Got the job within a month as an auditor. Within the first year I found out many of the executives at the financial institutions we were former examiners lol. These companies won't hire us at first but after we've been examiners for 4 years they seek us out.
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RubyGames lol
RubyGames -
How thirsty you gotta be to "advertise" on Bored Panda.... grow up and think higher of yourself my God... what would your mother say... or better your grandma? Gross
I like how honest these companies are about what they stand for. Greed, cluelessness, disorganization, stupidity.
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These postings are mostly written by HR staff, who are pretty useless anyway. What company are you running BTW?
Every organisation I ever worked for the HR department fully expected the line managers to be involved in checking the ads, person specs and job descriptions because HR staff aren't going to know the details necessary for every job. If you want to get the right people it's worth making the effort up front.
In my opinion 10+ years of experience in ANYTHING is a ridiculous demand. If you've done something for 3 to 5 years you will have become very proficient at it. Not much you can learn after that.
Ummm... I'll speak up here in defense of the sciences. If medical personnel don't keep learning after 3-5 years, someone dies. Sooo.... Yeah. You can learn. And keep learning. Always. Peace.
Came to comments to say just that!
HR rejected one of my applications for a job in my field for which I have a specialized degree because they didn't know the terminology in that profession. The next application I sent in (same organization, same HR department) I dumbed down my wording the application and got the job at twice the salary of the first job. Worked out in the end, but so frustrating to not even get an interview when I was well qualified, just because HR was making the decisions.
Truth, when I started grad school several years ago I was going for an MFS (master's in financial science). I had several recruiters at hiring events tell me to drop that. No one knows what an MFS is. After applying for over 50 jobs and not getting a single call back I switched to an MBA even though it ment I would lose a whole semester. Sure enough, the next job I applied for called me back.
But applying for a position as a police officer and carrying a gun doesn't need any experience at all.... I just don't get most things about the US' logic.
Markin89 no
Markin89 what
Particularly the US have a too great focus on using resumes. With the curriculum vitae typical in Europe, this does not happen to quickly. Moreover, what we see here is when advertisments are created by HR rather than being supervised by HR. Instead of 3, 5, 7, 10 years of experiences in they could rather write basic, medium, advanced, expert knoweldge of...
Many of these entries seem to be serious and they are outright appaling.
It's absolutely disgusting. This is why the private sector needs regulation.
It's not just tech and white collared companies either. 0-5f0dad8bd9399.jpg
Alexis Maven like
HR is a huge problem. People not knowing what those they are to hire do, not knowing what is important there, but analyzing your personality so they can weed out everyone who ... well, everyone. Fire all HR and everything is fine!
In my town we have a state run mental hospital and I applied to work there. I have a bachelor's degree and thought that would help me get a job at this place. Instead my degree has kept me from getting a job at this place. I have been told that the reason is probably because they don't understand why a person with a college education wants to do a job that only requires a high school diploma. The other job I would like to do is teach history. However, since I live in small town Texas, most of the high school history teacher positions are given to coaches.
Being in IT the worst interview I got was from an HR person that was asking me questions taken directly from the MSCE exam , worst she translated the questions in french and OU in french means "or", so when she was reading the questions instead of saying O.U. (organization unit) she would say "or" which completely changed the meaning of the phrase, after a few non sense questions I stopped and ask if OU was in upper case in her document, she said yes, had to make her reread all the questions.
This is utterly ridiculous. How is that even possible?
I had the same experience recently. I applied for a job using a program I have 10+ yrs experience in and am certified in. I didn't get the job because I didn't have experience in the online version of the same program, which essentially is a simpler version.
I once spent an evening trying to get my flatmate to explain to me what he did in his role in HR and how he helped the company in any way. He could not explain either. Was on 25k a year though....
HRs only job is to mitigate lawsuits against the company. They are not your friend no matter how much they claim they are.
Millennials were basically indoctrinated at a young age that college is key. We go and then we’re in a mountain of debt, can’t find a decent job, and we’d get paid better at a company that doesn’t even require a college degree.
Really F%#king Depressing ...
I've noticed most of these are IT related. Finance is even worse. When I was attempting to transition from customer service to a finance job, all the large companies would start you as an unpaid intern and you were required to have a BA in finance with at minimum a 3.5 GPA and you must have your school send an official transcript. I later found our from a friend that the hiring manager would look at what college the transcripts came from and if it wasn't from Texas A&M it went straight to the trash can.
And this bullshit is why it's so hard to find a job these days, even if you are qualified.
Sean Harrison Good response!
Some of these seem fake. However a lot of these have to do with HR people who put out these hiring calls, having no clue about the field their company works in. The actual bosses say they need someone and with what qualification, and the HR people to try and make themselves seem better than they are by thinking they can land something much better than what the boss wants, tend to add on all these extra's without knowing anything about it.
When I look for a job I interview them to figure out if they meet my qualifications for an employer. If it's not a good fit I move on
HR and HR consultants live in a parallel universe to the rest of us. Take it from someone who works with them
I had a homework in grad school where we had to look at scholarships appropriate for our level. A Japanese scholarship posted on the entry-level site required a PhD and a Nobel nomination... I'm still thinking it was posted in the particular category by mistake but it was hilarious.
Hot tip for HR, recruiters, and managers: if it requires experience and a degree, and it's not just in lieu of a degree, then it's not entry level. Ever.
Why aren't we getting qualified candidates??
Something that gets to me as I am currently looking for work is jobs as a professor. Now hear me out because this is specifically for physics professor positions at a university. There are listings to teach Freshman level physics courses that require a PhD.... Which is the most ridiculous thing considering Freshman spend two years learning the physics that EVERYONE KNOWS, the physics which is technically wrong as physics curriculum students find out by their third year when they start learning real physics and why everything we knew before is wrong. From that moment on, through Master's and PhD, all of that information is worthless when teaching... Freshman level physics. I completely understand job positions for higher level courses, but a PhD to teach High School physics??? Physics that we were told to forget within our Bachelor Degree? This was my experience through my university, but was anyone else taught differently? Can I be missing something??? Maybe my curriculum was different
Here’s the thing. Once opon a time large companies aimed for lifetime employment. They trained up people internally, the bosses evaluated the performance of an employee against the needs of the empty position. Now companies tell themselves it’s more efficient to hire and fire as needed. So they go through this BS process , pretend it’s inevitable and tell themselves stories about proxies for actual knowledge of the person being put in the position. Here’s a thought, higher internally from people you know can do the job any you pay for their training.
This should be renamed to "Employers who have no idea what their job is".... The whole post reminds me of a typical situation of unqualified people who have no idea of job requirements get to sit in a high chair and bark out commands that are absolutely absurd to anyone who actually knows what their job is....
Was looking for a job recently, and saw a posting for an office administrator (i.e. receptionist). It said no experience required, because they would provide training, and paid my province's minimum wage. HOWEVER, they later said that a requirement to apply was that you have a Master's degree. For a minimum wage job that provides training. SMDH
yes its annoying you see job ads like this but IT applicants know recruiters lie on the ad requirements and recruiters know that applicants lie about experience in their CVs. Ive applied for and won contracts where I had no experience in the languages/technologies required (hmmm, data warehousing, know all about that). Google is your friend.
I'm SO glad not to be in the job market anymore. This reminds me of what a stressful, irritating nightmare it was.
What are they smoking on when they say "minimum x+ years"? How can you have a non-definite minimum? A minimum is by definition an absolute. Do they want 5 years or more than five? If five is the minimum how can more than five also be the minimum? Maybe they should apply some of these extreme criteria to their HR deps.
Pál Vattamanyi lol
Years ago, there was an ad for sys admin with 5+ years Windows 2000. It had been released the previous year. I didn't apply. I won't lie, so I don't have a job. IT jobs want experience in all the software they use, but even companies in the same industry seldom use the exact same mix.
A job I applied for a few years ago. This place was looking for a "Pizza Clock" (really, "Cook") Pizza-Cloc...ca6326.jpg
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It took a person with a job to write these job postings, meaning those with a job are quite obviously blatantly ignorant (lacking the education and experience which to do their job). Those with a job, the ignorant, are looking to hire people with the knowledge required to do the ignorant's job for them; also hire a person with the type of education and experience that (the ignorant alsodon't have) will contribute to the expansion/success of their company; and get paid next to nothing or nothing to do so. This is nothing new but it's become more and more blatantly evident to the point of, well, the above job postings. That said, ridiculous expectations of the ignorant aside, nowadays it isn't what you know but who you know.
Tina Russell ?
Mostly what I got out of this is I'm glad I dont work with databases. Seems finding a job would hurt my brain.
I just saw an ad from a business owner who wants to pay someone for 10 hours per month but wants them available all the time. Hilarious! How do some people even business?
More and more, companies are looking for "unicorn" employees. People who have massive skills, who have been laid off, and who are desperate for a job because of their personal debt load. --- Companies have also stopped "hiring to train", and are now cutting their risk by "hiring to run". They want top employees for bottom dollar. Unfortunately, those employees are often out there. --- NOTE: I avoid these listings, by always making sure to HAVE a new job for better pay already lined up, before leaving a job. And I have a list of recruiters, who know my skills and salary requirements, who I can mass email if I lose my job, so that I can get a new one ASAP.
If you don't have time to read this, it says "entry level".
Most of the time 'Entry Level' is put on because there is a drop down menu for creating the advert and there is no 'We will discuss the position that you are best suited to' Crap wages? It's not uncommon to arrive and they ask during the interview what you want to earn and the pay shown is usually the lowest for that company. I worked in fibre optics for a while and the position was something like Cable Layer and the wage was national minimum for the time. I got trained, my official position was Optical Data Cable Technician Second Class and I was earning £18 p/hr in 1988 On the other hand I saw a job that wanted someone with 5 years Microsoft Office experience when it had not long come out. I later heard that the supervisor who posted got chewed out for it as it made them look lime idiots
A lot of IT jobs in there. Welcome to my world.
Try finding work in anything else. IT is privileged in comparison.