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Boss Complains About Female Employee Not Being Available To Work 24/7 Like Her Male Colleagues, Receives A Reality Check

Boss Complains About Female Employee Not Being Available To Work 24/7 Like Her Male Colleagues, Receives A Reality Check

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With the coronavirus pandemic changing the ways we live beyond recognition, the recent boom in work from home culture is one of its major transformations. An incredible 42% of the US labor force is now working from home full-time, compared to 26% working on their business premises.

Now that the US and many other countries are dominated by the WFH economy, more and more workers find themselves pressured by toxic workplace dynamics. You see, the line between personal and professional is becoming blurred, and some workers are already experiencing its consequences big time.

Karan Tripathi, a lawyer and writer, has recently shared an illuminating thread on how his sister’s boss told her to pull up her sleeves and work 24/7 just like her male colleagues. “Offices are becoming ignorant towards the disproportionate burden of WFH on women,” Karan wrote.

The thread has instigated a heated discussion on toxic boss dynamics and the flaws of WFH culture, which is vulnerable to exploitation at the expense of female (and male) workers. So let’s see what people on Twitter had to say on the matter, which will surely give us all a lot to think about.

Karan Tripathi has recently shared an incident from the workplace of his data scientist sister

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The stigma associated with working from home, which existed prior to the worldwide pandemic, has virtually disappeared. Today, companies employing this method are very common. The experts now forecast that as soon as the pandemic is over, the number of people working from home will explode.

The thread has stirred a heated debate on work from home culture, toxic bosses, and gender struggles

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According to Stanford economist Nicholas Bloom, the 8% of all employees working from home at least a day a week in 2018 will soar in a post-pandemic world. “I suspect almost all employees who can work from home—which is estimated at about 40 percent of employees—will be allowed to work from home at least one day a week.”

This is because of three main reasons, says Bloom. First, the fear of crowds will motivate people to move away from urban centers and avoid public transport. Secondly, investments in telecommuting technology have paid off and by now, we have plenty of WFH experience and know what works. And third, the prior stigma has ended as we now understand how to work from home effectively.

According to Karan, women workers like his sister are especially struggling to navigate professional and personal life

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But there are, of course, red flags in working from home culture that shouldn’t be ignored. Many people around the world lack facilities, like internet, computer, or a private room, to work from home effectively.

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Bloom says that the number of people who can indeed work from home is only a half of all the US labor force. “Only 51 percent of the survey respondents—mostly managers, professionals, and financial workers who can carry out their jobs on computers—reported being able to work from home at an efficiency rate of 80 percent or more.”

Meanwhile, the workers of retail, healthcare, transport, and business service have no such option since they “need to see customers or work with products or equipment.”

As a result, “these things are generating a time bomb for inequality,” Bloom warns. “Our results show that more educated, higher-earning employees are far more likely to work from home—so they are continuing to get paid, develop their skills, and advance their careers.” And those who are unable to work from home are likely to be left behind.

People on Twitter joined the debate on workplace culture and pointed out it’s just as toxic for men

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James016
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My company's CEO put out an email saying that weekend work should not be the norm unless it is booked and scheduled in advance. He apologised for giving the wrong impression as he was just doing some email management during a weekend and this gave the false impression that he was expecting replies at the weekend.

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Truth Monster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a weird article. The boss, though still a jerk, is holding his female employee to the same standard as he holds the male employees. it is the article that actually is essentially saying, "She can't possibly perform in the workplace the same as a male because she is a woman!" (and therefore she feels obligated to take on more domestic duties than a male counterpart)

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Viktor Feurer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the "standard" is flawed (expecting 24/7 availability) then I have no further questions. That workplace is toxic. Period.

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Something Witty
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Though I do 100% agree that the boss is a major b*****d for singling out the woman and guilt tripping her, I find it also alarming and toxic that the employers expect their workers to be on call 24/7, especially in a field where it isn't necessary. It's just appalling to see how some bosses think that they "own" their workers, both on and off the clock, and that working should be the only thing in their lives that matter.

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Barbara Vandewalle
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once the employee makes mistake to be available for 12 hours, overtime weekends, you are now expected to do this all the time I learned that lesson the hard way. Being on call because they can not plan their work does not make it my emergency.

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Wilf
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm based in a UK company, but had to recruit some staff in our Chennai office for the first time recently. Asking the fairly standard UK interview question of "how do you prioritise competing tasks", every single candidate answered with something along the lines of- "I will work for however long it takes to complete all tasks, even at nightime and weekends". One actually thought it was important to note that he hadn't left his work station for 24 hours once. Madness.

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Julie C Rose
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s good to see issues in a country other than the US being highlighted, disappointing that a few commenters are judging this by American culture even though it’s very clearly stated that this is about India.

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Kathryn Baylis
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Research has been done on this, and it was discovered that long hours actually make us less productive. We have about six +/- good hours of deep concentration in us (breaks and lunch hours added in make up the normal eight hour workday). Some of us have more, a lot of us have less. Besides, I’ve been working full time for decades, so I can tell you to not let the guys fool you into thinking they’re such dedicated workaholics, because they definitely are not—-I’ve seen it for myself. They may clock in for more hours, but I will guarantee you they’re not actually doing their work for all of them. In the office, I bet they’re always at the water cooler, getting coffee, shooting the s**t with the other guys, etc, and taking their sweet time at it, too.They’ll sit at their desks and do a little work while the boss is around, then stop and surf the internet when the boss isn’t watching. Now that they’re working from home it’s probably worse, because the boss can’t see them goofing off at all.

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Kari Panda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This has nothing to do with gender inequality. First, a woman shouldn‘t have to be 'the one' to take care of domestic duties, and there are many couples where both partners contribute equally. Second, no one should be forced to work 24/7, even if they 'have a wide who does the household'. What kind of abstruse article is that?

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Cvt Fsn HeadtoHeels
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's Indian. Indian employers expect employees to be available at all times and will call them anytime. People are praised for going out of their way to work on Sundays and other holidays. It's very toxic and that's why of the tweets said "ask her to migrate to the US or Europe" for a better work environment.

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martin734
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do they not have employment laws in India? In most civilised countries, expecting your employees to be available 24/7 is illegal.

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Sami Moran
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We are in the USA and my wife is salaried. She is basically on call all the time. She doesn't get paid overtime because she is a salaried employee.Her salary isn't much considering the hours she is expected to put in for it. It's illegal to demand , but plenty of jobs expect it anyway.

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Nick McPherran
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I thought she was gonna say " I get all my work done by Friday, so i don't need to work the weekends...unlike my Male co-workers who can't".

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kurisutofu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It reminds me of when my manager told me he thought I was taking too many holidays (15 days in a year!) Because other team members were about half as much. I told him that's it's the other way around, they should take more! (I ended up showing him that most of my colleagues were between 10 and 15 days anyway). Plus, we have "unlimited holidays" so ...

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Lu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Working late is not a badge of honor, it can sometimes, or often mean things aren’t being done efficiently. Working late also means working tired, and more prone to error and long term burnout. There’s diminishing returns and it will vary on the individual.

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Laugh or not
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was just starting at my previous company, my manager (German, protected by one of the stricter labor code in the world) told me if the client wanted things faster, our colleagues in India would work over the weekend. I told her I would not under any circonstances ask someone to work during their off days, as I would not accept to do so, and my job was to manage the client's expectations and protect my team. She didn't know what to answer.

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More Thinking Needed
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds a bit fishy. If she was the only female scientist, why would her boss need to say "male" colleagues.

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Uncommon Boston
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Work smarter not longer. Doesn't salary mean you leave when the job is done, not when minimum hours are reached? Shouldn't we get to leave early some of the time?

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banana
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why doesn't her husband just "hold down the fort"? If she's the one who works why is she also expected to perform domestic duties? Even if her husband has a job too, shouldn't that mean they share the domestic work?

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dont be naive. This is India where women are treated like maids and need to do everything at home. But dont think that EU or US are better. In most households women are the ones doing most jobs for the house/children even if they work full time.

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Davor Jelacic
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not happy? Here is my 3 week notice and an incoming lawsuit... Thanks!

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Pat Ferryman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I taught school for 22 years I was paid for 6.5 hours a day but never worked less than 10 worked all summer on lessons, planning and collecting materials. Had to go to training, take classes and didn’t get over time for most of that. At least when my kids work late, weekends or holidays they get time and half or dbl time.

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Ann Abdelzaher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I work full-time in a salaried position. I am paid for 40 hours a week and if I work more I don't get paid more, so unless I know about something in advance or if there is an emergency I do not work outside my scheduled hours. My husband who I admit makes 4x what I do is also salraried but he works 18 hours a day many days because he WANTS to however he doesn't care for our son or do many of the chores around the house.

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Remy Ellis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with all but one part. WOMEN CAN ACTUALLY HAVE WIVES. Heaven forbid someone saying they can't. Listen up people! It's called being lesbian! Get over it. There are millions of problems we could address, and you choose to worry about the least problematic problem of all that's not even a problem? No wonder we have to worry about climate change.

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Nothanks L. Walk
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is there a place men who are perfectly happy being the housewife while their partner works fulltime, can meet a partner? Asking for a friend.

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DogMatic
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about working full time AND doing all "housewife" duties, as women in India are expected to?

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Mia C
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fact that someone has to work 12-15 hours to do their job means that they are not working efficiently and lack organizational skills

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Deborah Brown
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been working from home for 15 years. any boss that thinks employees need to be available 24/7 needs his head examined. But then I work for a company that's very cognizant of the need for work/life balance. that doesn't stop some people from not unplugging, but you won't find a manager telling someone they're expected to do that too. That's BS.

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Erik Granqvist
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are some quite good reasons why the EU is lookong into laws to restrict off hours access. Not being available 24/7 to the workplace is a human badic right.

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Catherine Spencer-Mills
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked IT sys admin for 20 years. Part of that was for an international firm and I was in the head office - where the data center was located. There were times when working evenings or weekends was the only time to get the work done. I have no problem with that. Fortunately, by that time, my children were old enough to care for themselves - mostly - and my husband was supportive and he can cook. What pissed me off was the times I worked weekends but then wasn't allowed comp time. Time off after a 29 hour weekend - yes, really - is just cruel. I'll buy that salaried employees are paid for their work, not their time. Let's be real - that also means if you aren't needed for the entire week, you shouldn't have to come in. Or turn on your workstation.

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Dónal Ó Murchadha
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work in a bank back office which always did overtime on Saturday which I never did. When the department manager noted this in my annual review, I asked him if he did many Saturdays, he was a bit annoyed. He said he didnt get paid over time and it wasnt necessary for him to be in. I then asked why he wouldnt come in anyway, to which he replied, I don't have to. I then asked him if I had to. He replied no and that was the end of that conversation. My supervisor who was in the review and didnt like the manager was doing her best not to laugh.

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Peter Kelly
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While the issue and fault is obvious, the approach is wrong. It is almost certain that the productivity of the staff will be far less than if working normal hours. The CEO should be made aware of all recent studies that show over-long hours are counterproductive.

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Hollie Marie
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not always about how much time you put in but how you manage those hours that you are working. Work smart

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Seabeast
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where do we click to report obnoxious trolls? I already reported it on "contact us", weeks ago, and it's still here.

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Dippin Dot
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unpopular opinion: We got this story 3rd hand; not from the boss, not from the sister. We don't know the actual exchange and if gender was even brought up. Could it be she just interpreted it as such? Regardless, yes, it is wrong to think someone should have to be available 24/7, unless that's part of the job. I am salaried, and expected to be available 24/7 - I don't get extra pay if I get a call at 4am, and it's perfectly legal. The question should be "is that what was expected from her from the beginning"?

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Dynein
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's not really enough info in this article to fully understand the situation; I can't tell how stringent the 24/7h availability requirement is (even men have to sleep and take a shower and such, yes?) nor how much time the woman is already putting in, nor can I check the daily lives of the employees to properly compare.... But I would expect that division of household chores in India is indeed highly gendered, and that the woman's husband is not a stay-at-home spouse. Things like cooking, cleaning the kitchen, grocery shopping, washing clothes, tidying up and general cleaning are rather time-intensive, and that time has to be taken by _someone_ (or be paid for, which is usually more costly). If the male coworkers really don't do any of those chores because their wives will do it, while the woman has the "bad luck" of being the wife in that scenario, they will indeed have several extra hours of availability per week that the woman just cannot give.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

24/7 doesn't mean on they are on duty 24 hours a day. It means if anything urgent comes up outside of day's working hours, they are expected to take a call or finish the job. It's not an everyday issue.

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sturmwesen
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem are not personal duties and genderroles. Everyone in western countries can chose not to follow these. The problem is when a boss pays 40 hours and expects more and knows no boundaries.

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Random Panda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's both. Women get penalised at work for not having the same bandwith as men, because of unequal division of household/childcare duties. In most of the world women are still expected to take on the bulk of domestic work.

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Arenite
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's not working nights and weekends because she is able to get her work done during office hours. If you need to take all this overtime, then you obviously aren't very good at your job. It's quality not quantity, boys and girls.

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah because companies never give employees more work that they can manage. Never.

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elfin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody works 24/7. Not possible. You can, of course, leave your workstation on 24/7.

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Ray Reinhard
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the data scientists are all regarded as salaried employees, rather than hourly workers, the number of hours any of them works should be irrelevant. What SHOULD be relevant is whether the employees meets deadlines while producing the expected quantity and quality of work. If your sister is able to do so, it shouldn't matter whether it takes 40 hours per week or 80 hours per week. If the work expectations are ridiculous (i.e., an amount of work that can be accomplished by the typical data scientist only by working 120 hours per week), that is a different matter. If that is the case, your sister needs to negotiate an agreement on the amount of work product expected and she can then decide whether the amounts she earns is sufficient to justify those requirements. Finally, if the company expects every employee to be available ("on call") during times when they are not doing their primary jobs, that is a separate, additional duty for which she (and the others) should be paid.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't buy this. Women in Indian police force are expected to show up at all kinds of odd hours for duty. Women serving in peace keeping force, border security force, army, airforce have to leave family/kids behind for months. Women in govt telecom/postal don't get any special preference for working hours. Women doctors/nurses many times have to stretch their shift. Indian female pilots are allotted flights hours same as men - anytime. Indian nurses have served in hostile countries like Iraq. Women in IT/ITES work late night to suit different country's timings. So if this woman is unable to put in time at par with men because of family issue, then that's family's problem, not company's problem. Job market in India is cut throat. If she doesn't want to put in extra hours, that's her choice....but shouldn't be surprised if someone else moves up the ladder....or maybe she can move on to a job which has better HR policies or her skills are appreciated.

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David Retsler
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, if you can get your work done in 8 hours.. don't.

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Thijs L.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so which is it? equal pay or eassier work? this is a double standard if any.... plenty of people say woman should be paid equal, but complain once the same demands are made as they are to men?

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Random Panda
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The point is no one should be expecting their employees to be available 24/7 as if they don't have personal lives. Gender is irrelevant. This is also in India, which has a heavily gendered culture, where women are expected to take care of the household and children. She simply does not have the same amount of time to dedicate to her job as the her male colleagues. Doesn't mean she has it easier, she is working just as hard, because she is running the household in addition to her job. Her male colleagues have wives to do that for them.

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blugeagua
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a reason she's the only female there, others would have been harassed and quit because of dealing with stuff similar to that.

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Where the f**k is strong independent women, better than men #feminist now?

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fighting for decent laws for workers for both women and men.

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James016
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My company's CEO put out an email saying that weekend work should not be the norm unless it is booked and scheduled in advance. He apologised for giving the wrong impression as he was just doing some email management during a weekend and this gave the false impression that he was expecting replies at the weekend.

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Truth Monster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a weird article. The boss, though still a jerk, is holding his female employee to the same standard as he holds the male employees. it is the article that actually is essentially saying, "She can't possibly perform in the workplace the same as a male because she is a woman!" (and therefore she feels obligated to take on more domestic duties than a male counterpart)

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Viktor Feurer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the "standard" is flawed (expecting 24/7 availability) then I have no further questions. That workplace is toxic. Period.

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Something Witty
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Though I do 100% agree that the boss is a major b*****d for singling out the woman and guilt tripping her, I find it also alarming and toxic that the employers expect their workers to be on call 24/7, especially in a field where it isn't necessary. It's just appalling to see how some bosses think that they "own" their workers, both on and off the clock, and that working should be the only thing in their lives that matter.

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Barbara Vandewalle
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once the employee makes mistake to be available for 12 hours, overtime weekends, you are now expected to do this all the time I learned that lesson the hard way. Being on call because they can not plan their work does not make it my emergency.

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Wilf
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm based in a UK company, but had to recruit some staff in our Chennai office for the first time recently. Asking the fairly standard UK interview question of "how do you prioritise competing tasks", every single candidate answered with something along the lines of- "I will work for however long it takes to complete all tasks, even at nightime and weekends". One actually thought it was important to note that he hadn't left his work station for 24 hours once. Madness.

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Julie C Rose
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s good to see issues in a country other than the US being highlighted, disappointing that a few commenters are judging this by American culture even though it’s very clearly stated that this is about India.

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Kathryn Baylis
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Research has been done on this, and it was discovered that long hours actually make us less productive. We have about six +/- good hours of deep concentration in us (breaks and lunch hours added in make up the normal eight hour workday). Some of us have more, a lot of us have less. Besides, I’ve been working full time for decades, so I can tell you to not let the guys fool you into thinking they’re such dedicated workaholics, because they definitely are not—-I’ve seen it for myself. They may clock in for more hours, but I will guarantee you they’re not actually doing their work for all of them. In the office, I bet they’re always at the water cooler, getting coffee, shooting the s**t with the other guys, etc, and taking their sweet time at it, too.They’ll sit at their desks and do a little work while the boss is around, then stop and surf the internet when the boss isn’t watching. Now that they’re working from home it’s probably worse, because the boss can’t see them goofing off at all.

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Kari Panda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This has nothing to do with gender inequality. First, a woman shouldn‘t have to be 'the one' to take care of domestic duties, and there are many couples where both partners contribute equally. Second, no one should be forced to work 24/7, even if they 'have a wide who does the household'. What kind of abstruse article is that?

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Cvt Fsn HeadtoHeels
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's Indian. Indian employers expect employees to be available at all times and will call them anytime. People are praised for going out of their way to work on Sundays and other holidays. It's very toxic and that's why of the tweets said "ask her to migrate to the US or Europe" for a better work environment.

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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do they not have employment laws in India? In most civilised countries, expecting your employees to be available 24/7 is illegal.

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Sami Moran
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We are in the USA and my wife is salaried. She is basically on call all the time. She doesn't get paid overtime because she is a salaried employee.Her salary isn't much considering the hours she is expected to put in for it. It's illegal to demand , but plenty of jobs expect it anyway.

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Nick McPherran
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I thought she was gonna say " I get all my work done by Friday, so i don't need to work the weekends...unlike my Male co-workers who can't".

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kurisutofu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It reminds me of when my manager told me he thought I was taking too many holidays (15 days in a year!) Because other team members were about half as much. I told him that's it's the other way around, they should take more! (I ended up showing him that most of my colleagues were between 10 and 15 days anyway). Plus, we have "unlimited holidays" so ...

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Lu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Working late is not a badge of honor, it can sometimes, or often mean things aren’t being done efficiently. Working late also means working tired, and more prone to error and long term burnout. There’s diminishing returns and it will vary on the individual.

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Laugh or not
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was just starting at my previous company, my manager (German, protected by one of the stricter labor code in the world) told me if the client wanted things faster, our colleagues in India would work over the weekend. I told her I would not under any circonstances ask someone to work during their off days, as I would not accept to do so, and my job was to manage the client's expectations and protect my team. She didn't know what to answer.

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More Thinking Needed
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds a bit fishy. If she was the only female scientist, why would her boss need to say "male" colleagues.

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Uncommon Boston
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Work smarter not longer. Doesn't salary mean you leave when the job is done, not when minimum hours are reached? Shouldn't we get to leave early some of the time?

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banana
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why doesn't her husband just "hold down the fort"? If she's the one who works why is she also expected to perform domestic duties? Even if her husband has a job too, shouldn't that mean they share the domestic work?

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dont be naive. This is India where women are treated like maids and need to do everything at home. But dont think that EU or US are better. In most households women are the ones doing most jobs for the house/children even if they work full time.

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Davor Jelacic
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not happy? Here is my 3 week notice and an incoming lawsuit... Thanks!

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Pat Ferryman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I taught school for 22 years I was paid for 6.5 hours a day but never worked less than 10 worked all summer on lessons, planning and collecting materials. Had to go to training, take classes and didn’t get over time for most of that. At least when my kids work late, weekends or holidays they get time and half or dbl time.

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Ann Abdelzaher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I work full-time in a salaried position. I am paid for 40 hours a week and if I work more I don't get paid more, so unless I know about something in advance or if there is an emergency I do not work outside my scheduled hours. My husband who I admit makes 4x what I do is also salraried but he works 18 hours a day many days because he WANTS to however he doesn't care for our son or do many of the chores around the house.

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Remy Ellis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with all but one part. WOMEN CAN ACTUALLY HAVE WIVES. Heaven forbid someone saying they can't. Listen up people! It's called being lesbian! Get over it. There are millions of problems we could address, and you choose to worry about the least problematic problem of all that's not even a problem? No wonder we have to worry about climate change.

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Nothanks L. Walk
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is there a place men who are perfectly happy being the housewife while their partner works fulltime, can meet a partner? Asking for a friend.

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DogMatic
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about working full time AND doing all "housewife" duties, as women in India are expected to?

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Mia C
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fact that someone has to work 12-15 hours to do their job means that they are not working efficiently and lack organizational skills

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Deborah Brown
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been working from home for 15 years. any boss that thinks employees need to be available 24/7 needs his head examined. But then I work for a company that's very cognizant of the need for work/life balance. that doesn't stop some people from not unplugging, but you won't find a manager telling someone they're expected to do that too. That's BS.

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Erik Granqvist
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are some quite good reasons why the EU is lookong into laws to restrict off hours access. Not being available 24/7 to the workplace is a human badic right.

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Catherine Spencer-Mills
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked IT sys admin for 20 years. Part of that was for an international firm and I was in the head office - where the data center was located. There were times when working evenings or weekends was the only time to get the work done. I have no problem with that. Fortunately, by that time, my children were old enough to care for themselves - mostly - and my husband was supportive and he can cook. What pissed me off was the times I worked weekends but then wasn't allowed comp time. Time off after a 29 hour weekend - yes, really - is just cruel. I'll buy that salaried employees are paid for their work, not their time. Let's be real - that also means if you aren't needed for the entire week, you shouldn't have to come in. Or turn on your workstation.

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Dónal Ó Murchadha
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work in a bank back office which always did overtime on Saturday which I never did. When the department manager noted this in my annual review, I asked him if he did many Saturdays, he was a bit annoyed. He said he didnt get paid over time and it wasnt necessary for him to be in. I then asked why he wouldnt come in anyway, to which he replied, I don't have to. I then asked him if I had to. He replied no and that was the end of that conversation. My supervisor who was in the review and didnt like the manager was doing her best not to laugh.

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Peter Kelly
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While the issue and fault is obvious, the approach is wrong. It is almost certain that the productivity of the staff will be far less than if working normal hours. The CEO should be made aware of all recent studies that show over-long hours are counterproductive.

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Hollie Marie
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not always about how much time you put in but how you manage those hours that you are working. Work smart

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Seabeast
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where do we click to report obnoxious trolls? I already reported it on "contact us", weeks ago, and it's still here.

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Dippin Dot
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unpopular opinion: We got this story 3rd hand; not from the boss, not from the sister. We don't know the actual exchange and if gender was even brought up. Could it be she just interpreted it as such? Regardless, yes, it is wrong to think someone should have to be available 24/7, unless that's part of the job. I am salaried, and expected to be available 24/7 - I don't get extra pay if I get a call at 4am, and it's perfectly legal. The question should be "is that what was expected from her from the beginning"?

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Dynein
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's not really enough info in this article to fully understand the situation; I can't tell how stringent the 24/7h availability requirement is (even men have to sleep and take a shower and such, yes?) nor how much time the woman is already putting in, nor can I check the daily lives of the employees to properly compare.... But I would expect that division of household chores in India is indeed highly gendered, and that the woman's husband is not a stay-at-home spouse. Things like cooking, cleaning the kitchen, grocery shopping, washing clothes, tidying up and general cleaning are rather time-intensive, and that time has to be taken by _someone_ (or be paid for, which is usually more costly). If the male coworkers really don't do any of those chores because their wives will do it, while the woman has the "bad luck" of being the wife in that scenario, they will indeed have several extra hours of availability per week that the woman just cannot give.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

24/7 doesn't mean on they are on duty 24 hours a day. It means if anything urgent comes up outside of day's working hours, they are expected to take a call or finish the job. It's not an everyday issue.

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sturmwesen
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem are not personal duties and genderroles. Everyone in western countries can chose not to follow these. The problem is when a boss pays 40 hours and expects more and knows no boundaries.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's both. Women get penalised at work for not having the same bandwith as men, because of unequal division of household/childcare duties. In most of the world women are still expected to take on the bulk of domestic work.

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Arenite
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's not working nights and weekends because she is able to get her work done during office hours. If you need to take all this overtime, then you obviously aren't very good at your job. It's quality not quantity, boys and girls.

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah because companies never give employees more work that they can manage. Never.

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elfin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody works 24/7. Not possible. You can, of course, leave your workstation on 24/7.

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Ray Reinhard
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the data scientists are all regarded as salaried employees, rather than hourly workers, the number of hours any of them works should be irrelevant. What SHOULD be relevant is whether the employees meets deadlines while producing the expected quantity and quality of work. If your sister is able to do so, it shouldn't matter whether it takes 40 hours per week or 80 hours per week. If the work expectations are ridiculous (i.e., an amount of work that can be accomplished by the typical data scientist only by working 120 hours per week), that is a different matter. If that is the case, your sister needs to negotiate an agreement on the amount of work product expected and she can then decide whether the amounts she earns is sufficient to justify those requirements. Finally, if the company expects every employee to be available ("on call") during times when they are not doing their primary jobs, that is a separate, additional duty for which she (and the others) should be paid.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't buy this. Women in Indian police force are expected to show up at all kinds of odd hours for duty. Women serving in peace keeping force, border security force, army, airforce have to leave family/kids behind for months. Women in govt telecom/postal don't get any special preference for working hours. Women doctors/nurses many times have to stretch their shift. Indian female pilots are allotted flights hours same as men - anytime. Indian nurses have served in hostile countries like Iraq. Women in IT/ITES work late night to suit different country's timings. So if this woman is unable to put in time at par with men because of family issue, then that's family's problem, not company's problem. Job market in India is cut throat. If she doesn't want to put in extra hours, that's her choice....but shouldn't be surprised if someone else moves up the ladder....or maybe she can move on to a job which has better HR policies or her skills are appreciated.

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David Retsler
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, if you can get your work done in 8 hours.. don't.

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Thijs L.
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so which is it? equal pay or eassier work? this is a double standard if any.... plenty of people say woman should be paid equal, but complain once the same demands are made as they are to men?

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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The point is no one should be expecting their employees to be available 24/7 as if they don't have personal lives. Gender is irrelevant. This is also in India, which has a heavily gendered culture, where women are expected to take care of the household and children. She simply does not have the same amount of time to dedicate to her job as the her male colleagues. Doesn't mean she has it easier, she is working just as hard, because she is running the household in addition to her job. Her male colleagues have wives to do that for them.

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blugeagua
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a reason she's the only female there, others would have been harassed and quit because of dealing with stuff similar to that.

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BiLal Asif
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Where the f**k is strong independent women, better than men #feminist now?

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fighting for decent laws for workers for both women and men.

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