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European Visits The USA For The First Time And Is Shocked And Disappointed By The Experience
European Visits The USA For The First Time And Is Shocked And Disappointed By The Experience
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European Visits The USA For The First Time And Is Shocked And Disappointed By The Experience

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Tourists’ beloved Los Angeles, known for its TV and music industry, buzzing culture and never-ending sunshine, set a new tourism record recently. In 2018, it welcomed an estimated 42.5 million domestic visitors and 7.5 million international visitors, making it a 50 million record and reaching a new milestone.

But not every tourist seems equally impressed with The City of Angels. This recent post from the Los Angeles subreddit, written by a European who visited LA and the US for the very first time, shone a light on the not-so-pretty side of the city.

The author who goes by the handle TheRealBanksyWoosh shared how shocked he was with what he saw there. From “drunk and high people” to “so many homeless and poor” with “five, six tents under each bridge” and “trash and feces everywhere,” TheRealBanksyWoosh wrote he never felt so unsafe.

Read on below for his full account on Los Angeles, and be sure to share what you think of it in the comments below!

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    A European tourist was so shocked by the level of inequality and disregard for life in Los Angeles when he visited for the first time that he shared his experience with others

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    Bored Panda reached out to the author of this post shared on the Los Angeles subreddit, who’s from Belgium and works at a university as a sociologist. “In Europe, we are aware that the social security system and the healthcare system of the USA are less extended than in many European countries,” he explained and added that “at the same time, we consume a lot of American media and movies, so in the back of my mind, unconsciously, the USA was very comparable to Europe.”

    However, once the Redditor TheRealBanksyWoosh arrived in LA, he was surprised to see “so many homeless, poor and psychotic people.” He told us: “It became apparent to me that the USA suffers from all the problems that I knew about, but multiplied tenfold. Europe is definitely not a utopia, and I don’t want to portray it that way, but I’ve never seen anything like it over here.”

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    The author explained that you can get robbed in Barcelona or Rome, but he has “never seen two cops checking with their feet and a flashlight if a human being is still alive.” He added: “I’ve seen abject poverty in Africa and Asia, but it was never normalized. People continuously talk about it in underdeveloped countries, they are aware that it is a problem.”

    “Meanwhile, in LA, in one of the richest countries on the surface of our planet, the poverty and the human suffering feel very normalized. As if it is ‘normal’ that people are dying while numerous $100k cars pass by next to that person.”

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    The author said that he always compared the USA to other western countries, but it all changed during this trip. “Honestly, the lack of general safety, the staggering inequality and the lack of social tissue remind me more of Brazil or South Africa. I find it disgusting that the social inequality is so racially structured.”

    TheRealBanksyWoosh said he doesn’t like to compare two countries, “because then this post feels as if I’m using human suffering in one country to glorify my own country.” He said that Belgium also has many problems, but since we asked, he shared some insights. “Belgium is way safer than LA, although we have our own issues, of course. In Europe, racism, discrimination and poverty exist as well. But I’ve never witnessed it so openly, as if it ‘should’ be this way,” the author argues.

    When walking in LA, “it felt like the poverty was a functioning part of the system instead of a cyst that should be erased. I think it is the culmination of deliberate choices, masked as incompetence.”

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    Moreover, according to the author, in Belgium, people do not have to work two jobs and still be afraid to end up homeless. “We don’t have people who have to sleep in their car. I don’t see old men above the age of 70 who have to work in Starbucks to survive. Despite Belgian shortcomings, we do have a safety net. The huge consequences of that safety net became very explicit during my visit in LA.”

    The post quickly turned into a conversation about the homeless crisis and inequality in the US, and many people shared their own similar experiences while traveling

    Having said that, there were some things that the author really liked. It was the friendliness and willingness of Americans to have an honest, friendly conversation.

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    “It seems like many Americans are fully aware of the situation that I’m describing, which makes it even more odd that the issues don’t get resolved. What is the role of the government in this matter? What is their responsibility? Is it ‘normal’ that the government merely acts a police officer? Many Americans had interesting opinions about these things and yet, LA remains full of human suffering,” the Redditor explained.

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    TheRealBanksyWoosh also said that nonetheless, “LA offers a great array of fantastic museums (that are free, which is very cool!), great restaurants and wonderful nature.”

    “It’s a tough nut to crack, but I am certain that it is full of wonderful, interesting and cool things to do and explore. A lifetime of adventures, but one that is overgrown by poverty, a lack of safety, drug abuse and intolerable inequality,” the author concluded.

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    3 Owls In A Coat
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the people saying “well yeah, duh, it’s LA” are very much missing the point.

    Stella
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know right! "Your first mistake was to see the horrific parts of the country and recognise that it exists. Just don't do that"

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    Furious George
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm amazed that anyone is surprised that the US is a dystopian hellscape. The comment about "not in my backyard" is 100% correct. I once tried to open a large halfway house in a nice area (because they are always in the worst possible places) and people did indeed threaten to sue.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Really? Not so much. In fact it has always been a dream of mine to work on putting a homeless shelter together. I really don't care as far as locations... So that would make at least two of us. Definitely NOT 100% correct is it?

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    Tam StaR
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America is like this. It's like a participation trophy and your parents telling you how special you are. We've been talking about how great we are not because it's true, but because we decide not to know better. We think other countries are backward because most have never been anywhere else and a lot of people don't realize how backward the states are. I think if more Americans really knew how better human rights are in other countries they deem "second class", and how those countries pity us, they'd be more embarrassed and motivated to fix our broken s**t. And this is NOT just LA. I've lived all across this country and traveled to many international one. America's issues are symptomatic of demonizing and criminalizing those who need help and favoring/celebrating the upper class. Our country is really broken and no one cares.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't believe in the participation trophy BS.. I do believe that is part of how America got to be how it is. But I believe that it taught people not to try. That they can slack off. Giving everyone a trophy would create a feeling of success where it didn't exist. Let me ask you, because as an American, I don't consider any other country "second class." What are you referring to? Who said this to you, or why did you ever get this in tour head?

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    Alex Martin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The middle and upper classes abandoned American cities in the 60s. It's called white flight. The majority of us don't care what happens in the downtown areas we just don't go there. We swoop in from the suburbs eat dinner, catch a game or a play, and swoop right back out again. Drugs, untreated mental illness, and inflated housing costs have wrecked America and we shuffle the losers in to dangerous tent cities and pat ourselves on the back because we gave old canned goods and $25 to the food bank. The cops we pretend to hate enforce unwritten rules that keep the homeless away from the nice safe areas. It's economic apartheid.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you fall in that majority? I dont... my word! So you hate America and don't try to help anyone. Got it. Sorry, but I don't fall in that camp. I think that all things have a workable solution, I don't make broad generalizations, and definitely don't look down on anyone with a mental health issue...

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    Richard Roberts
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    About the most important article I've seen here. The bottom line the problem that causes every other problem is greed. Agreed also keeps other problems from ever being solved. And it truly is as simple as that.

    Wilf
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've visited the US for work over 20yrs. My experience (with a few exceptions on the NE seaboard) is they are more comparable to cities in rapidly developing nations such as Sao Paulo or Hanoi than anything you'll find in western Europe. Weirdly, its the smaller provincial towns that make more sense to me- they retain a certain frontier spirit and consequently some form of community (assuming you're the right colour and religion to be welcome). Which brings me to two related points. As a European I was never really prepared for the degree to which everything is politicised in the USA- even administrators at local government level seem to be talked about as being 'dem' or 'rep'. For now at least our european civil service is seen as largely impartial. And second, let's be honest, non-metropolitan USA is not generally a secular country. I've heard even educated friends use language which makes it very clear they expect society to be organised in a religious way.

    Stephanie Chapman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the 1980s Reagan closed the Mental Health Systems Act - that put a lot of people on the streets with mental illness. Things won't get better until as a country we take responsibility for this. https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You used a Salon article for a reference...you have to do better. There are so many more facets.

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    KHKW
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Canadian but lived on the Westside of LA for four years. It was a fantastic experience for me and my family. I agree that it can be quite shocking though - the disparity between haves and have nots. I find that the difference between Canadians and Americans can be characterized in this one anecdote. I was chatting with a neighbor that seemed quite reasonable and otherwise "normal", until we spoke about healthcare. He said to me with a completely straight face, as if he could not understand my point of view whatsoever, "why should I pay more taxes so a poor person can have free healthcare?" Clearly, the majority of voters feel this way, otherwise poor people WOULD have free healthcare, like most people on the planet do. It's sad to see how poor people have the deck stacked against them.

    Amanda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh man, come to Chicago next time, the homeless population here makes me so sad, especially when there’s plenty of places to add extra housing to, so many abandoned buildings, and with all the money illinois has, they could also easily house a good chunk of homeless folk.

    Tim
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Any major city in the US has a huge homeless problem. There are some that are worse, like LA or Chicago, but all of them have the problem and the same solution (except maybe NYC with the availability of empty housing).

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    Monica Michelle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What happened? Regan was gov. Of California and emptied the mental health hospitals on to the streets, did away with most social programs for before and after school care and then did the same to the country plus worse as president.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmmm, so we can blame Reagan for all of our problems. No one else should hold any responsibility? That's a pretty lame assertion.

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    3 Owls In A Coat
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the people saying “well yeah, duh, it’s LA” are very much missing the point.

    Stella
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know right! "Your first mistake was to see the horrific parts of the country and recognise that it exists. Just don't do that"

    Load More Replies...
    Furious George
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm amazed that anyone is surprised that the US is a dystopian hellscape. The comment about "not in my backyard" is 100% correct. I once tried to open a large halfway house in a nice area (because they are always in the worst possible places) and people did indeed threaten to sue.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Really? Not so much. In fact it has always been a dream of mine to work on putting a homeless shelter together. I really don't care as far as locations... So that would make at least two of us. Definitely NOT 100% correct is it?

    Load More Replies...
    Tam StaR
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America is like this. It's like a participation trophy and your parents telling you how special you are. We've been talking about how great we are not because it's true, but because we decide not to know better. We think other countries are backward because most have never been anywhere else and a lot of people don't realize how backward the states are. I think if more Americans really knew how better human rights are in other countries they deem "second class", and how those countries pity us, they'd be more embarrassed and motivated to fix our broken s**t. And this is NOT just LA. I've lived all across this country and traveled to many international one. America's issues are symptomatic of demonizing and criminalizing those who need help and favoring/celebrating the upper class. Our country is really broken and no one cares.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't believe in the participation trophy BS.. I do believe that is part of how America got to be how it is. But I believe that it taught people not to try. That they can slack off. Giving everyone a trophy would create a feeling of success where it didn't exist. Let me ask you, because as an American, I don't consider any other country "second class." What are you referring to? Who said this to you, or why did you ever get this in tour head?

    Load More Replies...
    Alex Martin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The middle and upper classes abandoned American cities in the 60s. It's called white flight. The majority of us don't care what happens in the downtown areas we just don't go there. We swoop in from the suburbs eat dinner, catch a game or a play, and swoop right back out again. Drugs, untreated mental illness, and inflated housing costs have wrecked America and we shuffle the losers in to dangerous tent cities and pat ourselves on the back because we gave old canned goods and $25 to the food bank. The cops we pretend to hate enforce unwritten rules that keep the homeless away from the nice safe areas. It's economic apartheid.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you fall in that majority? I dont... my word! So you hate America and don't try to help anyone. Got it. Sorry, but I don't fall in that camp. I think that all things have a workable solution, I don't make broad generalizations, and definitely don't look down on anyone with a mental health issue...

    Load More Replies...
    Richard Roberts
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    About the most important article I've seen here. The bottom line the problem that causes every other problem is greed. Agreed also keeps other problems from ever being solved. And it truly is as simple as that.

    Wilf
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've visited the US for work over 20yrs. My experience (with a few exceptions on the NE seaboard) is they are more comparable to cities in rapidly developing nations such as Sao Paulo or Hanoi than anything you'll find in western Europe. Weirdly, its the smaller provincial towns that make more sense to me- they retain a certain frontier spirit and consequently some form of community (assuming you're the right colour and religion to be welcome). Which brings me to two related points. As a European I was never really prepared for the degree to which everything is politicised in the USA- even administrators at local government level seem to be talked about as being 'dem' or 'rep'. For now at least our european civil service is seen as largely impartial. And second, let's be honest, non-metropolitan USA is not generally a secular country. I've heard even educated friends use language which makes it very clear they expect society to be organised in a religious way.

    Stephanie Chapman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the 1980s Reagan closed the Mental Health Systems Act - that put a lot of people on the streets with mental illness. Things won't get better until as a country we take responsibility for this. https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You used a Salon article for a reference...you have to do better. There are so many more facets.

    Load More Replies...
    KHKW
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Canadian but lived on the Westside of LA for four years. It was a fantastic experience for me and my family. I agree that it can be quite shocking though - the disparity between haves and have nots. I find that the difference between Canadians and Americans can be characterized in this one anecdote. I was chatting with a neighbor that seemed quite reasonable and otherwise "normal", until we spoke about healthcare. He said to me with a completely straight face, as if he could not understand my point of view whatsoever, "why should I pay more taxes so a poor person can have free healthcare?" Clearly, the majority of voters feel this way, otherwise poor people WOULD have free healthcare, like most people on the planet do. It's sad to see how poor people have the deck stacked against them.

    Amanda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh man, come to Chicago next time, the homeless population here makes me so sad, especially when there’s plenty of places to add extra housing to, so many abandoned buildings, and with all the money illinois has, they could also easily house a good chunk of homeless folk.

    Tim
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Any major city in the US has a huge homeless problem. There are some that are worse, like LA or Chicago, but all of them have the problem and the same solution (except maybe NYC with the availability of empty housing).

    Load More Replies...
    Monica Michelle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What happened? Regan was gov. Of California and emptied the mental health hospitals on to the streets, did away with most social programs for before and after school care and then did the same to the country plus worse as president.

    Mo Sykes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmmm, so we can blame Reagan for all of our problems. No one else should hold any responsibility? That's a pretty lame assertion.

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