
Huge Debate Explodes Over Swedes’ Refusal to Feed Their Children’s Guests, And Here’re 30 Foreigners’ Best Reactions
In the past days, Sweden has been the center of controversy with the hashtag #Swedengate all over Twitter. It all started from an innocent question “What is the weirdest thing you had to do at someone else’s house because of their culture/religion?” which the redditor u/sebastian25525 posed on Ask Reddit.
One particular response caught everyone’s attention. “I remember going to my Swedish friend's house,” one person wrote. “And while we were playing in his room, his mom yelled that dinner was ready. And check this. He told me to WAIT in his room while they ate,” the redditor shared. The post received 31.8k upvotes, spreading like wildfire all across social media.
Many people just couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that the Swedish don’t feed their children’s guests and were eager to find out whether it’s actually true. What followed was an infinite amount of shares, reactions, memes and experiences from Swedes themselves. So let’s see what they had to say below!
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In order to find out what Swedes themselves had to say about this cultural phenomenon, we spoke with a Swedish woman who goes by the Twitter handle @missfotografica. Having participated in the debate over Swedes not feeding their children’s kids in various Twitter threads, @missfotografica made a couple of clarifications.
First, she doesn’t think this is true today. “I remember when I was a kid in the 1980s and then it was true, at least where and when I grew up. I have no idea where that came from, but I never ate lunch or dinner at my friends'. Maybe, if some arrangement was made in advance among the parents, but that almost never happened,” she recounted. Meanwhile, @missfotografica added that her kids have always eaten at friends' houses and they have always offered lunch/dinner at theirs. “I wouldn’t dream of having someone wait in another room,” she said.
This happened to my dad and grandfather when they went to visit old family friends in Scotland during my grandfather's last international trip. Popped in to visit. The friend had maybe an hour's notice and it was only supposed to be a short visit. The friend then proceeded to bring out this enormous platter of sandwiches they made during the hour before my dad and grandfather showed up.
When asked whether Swedes ever discuss this, @missfotografica said that they never really talk about this nowadays. “It’s not a thing anymore and people today have a totally different view on this, in my opinion,” she said.
When it comes to all the chaos the news that Swedes don’t feed their children’s guests sparked on social media, @missfotografica commented: “I think most people in other countries got the idea that this is still a current thing. They didn’t get that this was 35-40 years ago.”
The woman also added that this is solely her experience: “I’m not speaking on behalf of all the people who grew up in Sweden in the ’80s, even if I have heard from several others who lived it too.” For all the critics and negative commenters out there, @missfotografica wants to say: “Just come to Sweden and have dinner with us! You are more than welcome! But to make it a bit more Swedish, please call first,” she laughed.
My parents are from South East Asia, but I live in mid Europe. I remember that my mom once yelled at me, when I brough my friend over for 5 (!!!!) minutes (because I forgot something in my room), for not offering him something to eat or at least to drink. ._.
Sweden is known as home to the happiest people on earth who enjoy their nature and hearty cuisine. The country is also renowned for its quality of life, leaving many countries behind in happiness, equality and social connection. This reputation may be to blame for people on social media taking the news that Swedes don’t feed their children's guests dinner as such a shock. On the other hand, this is likely one big misunderstanding that happens all too often on social media.
In response to the controversial topic, Swedish writer Linda Johansson wrote this viral opinion piece for the Independent titled “I’m Swedish – it’s true that we don’t serve food to guests. What’s the problem?” What many people on Twitter and Reddit were thinking of as a rumor or a rare quirk, according to her, was actually true.
I was a grown-a*s man about 28 and after a Sunday football match was driving past my mums on the way to the pub and needed the loo. Went in, followed by two cars full of blokes needing to go as well (we had already had a drink in the clubhouse). Are you boys hungry? says mum. Within five minutes there was enough sandwiches to feed an army. They were devoured as if a plague of locusts had blown through. "Hey PC your mums a Diamond" Yes I know! She passed a few years ago now but people still mention it to me.
Recounting her childhood, Johansson wrote: “As a child growing up in Gothenburg, I remember not really caring at all that I wasn’t being fed – I just continued playing and had a nice, quiet time while the other family had their dinner.” She added that the time when her friend was eating “was usually just a quick ‘pause’; probably because they didn’t want to mess up my family’s plans,” she wondered.
In many other cultures, this approach will not be met well, and many Twitter users shared that in the various trending threads about the topic. But Johansson did a great job of explaining the whys and buts about Swedes not feeding their kids’ guests.
“The Swedish thinking goes like this: the other child (or the other family) may have plans for another kind of dinner, and you wouldn’t want to ruin the routine or preparations.”The writer also said that she doesn’t think it is anything to do with not wanting to feed the other child or because it costs money. “It’s more to do with tradition and wanting to eat with your own family,” she wrote.
True, my parents are very close friends with a family that is rich (we met them before they made their fortune) and we always ate something at home whenever they invited us over for dinner. They are very nice otherwise though.
For those who wonder, the situation would be different if you were actually invited over as a proper “playdate”, Johansson explained, but that wasn’t usually the case. “We didn’t really have the same kind of formally arranged invitations. I think in many ways, Sweden is more of a free society than the UK.”
my friends family used to do this when i stayed over and they are not Swedish they would say if you stay here you shouldn't expect to get fed
Moreover, “Children are allowed to run around more freely there, so they would usually just knock on the door and ask if they can come in and play – and obviously, you don’t 'plan' how many children would be at your house in that instance. It would be a complete surprise. The parents wouldn’t be included, usually, they wouldn’t come over to your house or expect to be catered for,” she argues in the piece.
The offer or denial of a meal can be telling of social relations. #Swedengate shows how invites can be dependent on historical precedent, parental expectation or food wastage.
This is me currently ... 430am and have to be up in an hour and a half to get my kids ready for school! But I'm in complete shock this is a thing!
Meanwhile, Timothy Heffernan, a postdoctoral fellow and UNSW Sydney researcher, also shared an illuminating explanation about the controversial debate. According to him, it all comes down to cultural differences where various acts of social behavior are interpreted differently. He wrote in an article for Medium: “Localized norms have existed in all cultures across history. Denial isn’t necessarily an act of inhospitality – it just points to cultural norms, contested as they may be, as seen through the #Swedengate controversy.”
Moreover, according to Heffernan, “localized norms have existed in all cultures across history. Denial isn’t necessarily an act of inhospitality – it just points to cultural norms, contested as they may be, as seen through the #Swedengate controversy.”
hopefully sweden will be fully recovered quickly. flower's & snow - right?
no kidding - i thought everything was flowers and snow in sweden. {it's just culture though i think} still, ya' gotta' feed them little hungry folk.
Do kids bring sandwiches with them so they don't, y'know .... STARVE? Swedish sleepovers seem like they'd be the WORST!
As a Midwesterner in the US, this is baffling. We don't even ask if you're hungry. At the very least a plate of cheese, crackers, and sausage will be out for everyone to snack on at all times. If you're at our place at dinner time, we just automatically set you a place and usually stuff you so full you can't move afterwards. Then we give you leftovers to take home.
My Jewish mother’s soul is on fire! COME TO MY HOUSE, I WILL FEED YOU ALL! 💕
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I am Swedish, half Danish on my father's side but my mother's side is as Swedish as can be and I've lived my entire life in Sweden. And I really don't get what's going on here. Visiting children generally went home at dinnertime unless they stayed the night and then they of course got dinner and breakfast. But as long as their parents were okay with it they could stay for dinner (or lunch during school holidays).
Same in Finland, but the thing is that all families don't have their dinner at the same time, so sometimes you'd happen to be at a friend's place at their dinnertime, which is before or after your own dinnertime.
I can understand not wanting to feed someone else's kid without their parents' permission - but it's mind-boggling that a century after the invention of the telephone this hasn't had an impact - like that they would typically call and ask the parent for permission.
I can see how it would be difficult to understand this mindset from a different cultural perspective. Try thinking of food as clothes. If another parent called you and asked if it's OK to buy your kid this jacket that he/she likes, you'd feel compelled to say "yes", but you would probably feel weird and undermined about it. So, it's better to not even offer. Having said that, it's not a perfect analogy and it's not too uncommon to call and ask for permission to feed a kid.
no that makes no sense, it's not the same. Just feed the kids. Africa here.
I'm sure these cases are from 80s or early 90s. No cell phones, and as Sweden is a very safe country, kids didn't always report at home where they were, and parent's didn't know where to call to reach their kids.
But you had landline phones, yes? Why wouldn't the kid call their parents to ask if they can have dinner somewhere else?
If the kid is really hungry, he'd probably do just that. Otherwise, why would you? You've been told to be at home for dinner at x o'clock. I would have needed to be really hungry to do that, as it would imply you're not being fed at home. Also, it always felt a bit awkward to have dinner at someone else's table unless you knew the whole family really well. Apparently all of this is weird to the rest of the world, but then again every culture has aspects that seem weird to others. Usually the right thing to do is to shrug them off or try to understand the cultural mindset. Or you can be an a**hat and bemoan the horrible Nordics letting children starve. Edit. Didn't mean that you're one of the a**hats. As far as I can see you're just asking questions. 👍
So you are saying Swedish parents are fine that another people's child is at their place and its parents have no idea? And as a punishment that kid starves. Lovely.
You're not being very consistent here. They are fine with X, so they punish you with Y. Do you see the problem? Anyway...yes, they are fine with a child being there without the parents knowing, and, no, nobody is starving. The kid will go home when it's his/her family's dinnertime. If the kid was starving, I guarantee you most parents would not only feed the kid but also call child protective services.
So, demonazing other people's culture is OK now? As some pointed out above, this is about not being rude to the visiting kids' parents. The default is that you spend dinner times eating with your family. I know my mom would have been a little taken aback had I told her that I'm not eating the food she prepared, because I already ate at my friend's place. Sleepovers are a different thing of course, and the bit in the op about not getting breakfast is a weird anomaly.
But all the ones where kids were staying the night or going to be playing until late and STILL did not even receive a snack dont make sense
But then again, that doesn’t happen. I mean, it’s insane - if anyone did such a thing they’d be a social pariah. And I mean… I live here.
Not to me either, but that's definitely not the norm.
Now you have a taste of what it's like to be an American on this site.
Sure, the anti-Americanism here is pretty appalling
no it's well deserved. They have killed a million muslims in the war on terror to relatiate for 3000 dead. Google it if you do not believe me.
but then why don't you feed your kid after the friend leaves? You could offer some snacks for both your kids and the guest. But asking your kid to come to have dinner while the guest waits in the room, not only is rude from the aspect of the food, but also the fact that you're living them alone. But if you invite them to the table to watch the family eat is even worse. So again, it's just rudeness however you look at it lol Asking them to leave would be bad too, so if it's so bad to feed other's kids, what I'd do is wait for them to leave in order to serve my dinner.
When I was a kid my dad had 3 jobs and my mum 2. They were really big on family meal time, but it was a small window. Most kids in my area had similar situations with slightly different dinner times. Waiting for child to leave was not an option. Asking child to leave was kind of OK, but not often used. Feeding child was not OK as it ruined their family meal time. As our parents were busy, kids were in and out of each others houses so much treating them as guests with all the manners implied would not have worked. We had - as most of our street seemed to - a help your self table of fruit and healthy snacks. Kids around after their own dinner might also get cheese and crackers or be invited to join the table for pudding. I absolutely never wanted to go to someone else's family dinner table.
"Hey, Börje! Listen, I'm sorry but I can't come after all. Yeah, there is a child here, so we can't eat for another couple of hours." It probably would be a couple of hours too. If your own dinnertime was close, you would go home.
The expectation would be that you 1) at least provide snacks or refreshments, regardless of time of day, 2) CALL the parents to ask if their kid could eat with you, or 3) send the kid home so there is no conflict at all. Having a guest wait for you to finish is horrifically rude on a nearly universal, cross-cultural level. It's a bit like spitting on Jesus; so at ends with other's beliefs that it cannot be accepted, mentally.
"NEARLY universal". I never thought it was rude. So my friend stepped out of the room for 15 minutes. So what?
dude the entire planet is against you on this point.
It's not culture, it's a luck of culture. Or you can call it vulture.
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Yes it’s fine..because I’m tired of all the c**p people spout about my culture. Anti semitsm much
What a b***h. Just because there people out there who are anti-Semitic, that gives you the right to s**t on other people's culture? Do unto others.
I am Swedish, half Danish on my father's side but my mother's side is as Swedish as can be and I've lived my entire life in Sweden. And I really don't get what's going on here. Visiting children generally went home at dinnertime unless they stayed the night and then they of course got dinner and breakfast. But as long as their parents were okay with it they could stay for dinner (or lunch during school holidays).
Same in Finland, but the thing is that all families don't have their dinner at the same time, so sometimes you'd happen to be at a friend's place at their dinnertime, which is before or after your own dinnertime.
I can understand not wanting to feed someone else's kid without their parents' permission - but it's mind-boggling that a century after the invention of the telephone this hasn't had an impact - like that they would typically call and ask the parent for permission.
I can see how it would be difficult to understand this mindset from a different cultural perspective. Try thinking of food as clothes. If another parent called you and asked if it's OK to buy your kid this jacket that he/she likes, you'd feel compelled to say "yes", but you would probably feel weird and undermined about it. So, it's better to not even offer. Having said that, it's not a perfect analogy and it's not too uncommon to call and ask for permission to feed a kid.
no that makes no sense, it's not the same. Just feed the kids. Africa here.
I'm sure these cases are from 80s or early 90s. No cell phones, and as Sweden is a very safe country, kids didn't always report at home where they were, and parent's didn't know where to call to reach their kids.
But you had landline phones, yes? Why wouldn't the kid call their parents to ask if they can have dinner somewhere else?
If the kid is really hungry, he'd probably do just that. Otherwise, why would you? You've been told to be at home for dinner at x o'clock. I would have needed to be really hungry to do that, as it would imply you're not being fed at home. Also, it always felt a bit awkward to have dinner at someone else's table unless you knew the whole family really well. Apparently all of this is weird to the rest of the world, but then again every culture has aspects that seem weird to others. Usually the right thing to do is to shrug them off or try to understand the cultural mindset. Or you can be an a**hat and bemoan the horrible Nordics letting children starve. Edit. Didn't mean that you're one of the a**hats. As far as I can see you're just asking questions. 👍
So you are saying Swedish parents are fine that another people's child is at their place and its parents have no idea? And as a punishment that kid starves. Lovely.
You're not being very consistent here. They are fine with X, so they punish you with Y. Do you see the problem? Anyway...yes, they are fine with a child being there without the parents knowing, and, no, nobody is starving. The kid will go home when it's his/her family's dinnertime. If the kid was starving, I guarantee you most parents would not only feed the kid but also call child protective services.
So, demonazing other people's culture is OK now? As some pointed out above, this is about not being rude to the visiting kids' parents. The default is that you spend dinner times eating with your family. I know my mom would have been a little taken aback had I told her that I'm not eating the food she prepared, because I already ate at my friend's place. Sleepovers are a different thing of course, and the bit in the op about not getting breakfast is a weird anomaly.
But all the ones where kids were staying the night or going to be playing until late and STILL did not even receive a snack dont make sense
But then again, that doesn’t happen. I mean, it’s insane - if anyone did such a thing they’d be a social pariah. And I mean… I live here.
Not to me either, but that's definitely not the norm.
Now you have a taste of what it's like to be an American on this site.
Sure, the anti-Americanism here is pretty appalling
no it's well deserved. They have killed a million muslims in the war on terror to relatiate for 3000 dead. Google it if you do not believe me.
but then why don't you feed your kid after the friend leaves? You could offer some snacks for both your kids and the guest. But asking your kid to come to have dinner while the guest waits in the room, not only is rude from the aspect of the food, but also the fact that you're living them alone. But if you invite them to the table to watch the family eat is even worse. So again, it's just rudeness however you look at it lol Asking them to leave would be bad too, so if it's so bad to feed other's kids, what I'd do is wait for them to leave in order to serve my dinner.
When I was a kid my dad had 3 jobs and my mum 2. They were really big on family meal time, but it was a small window. Most kids in my area had similar situations with slightly different dinner times. Waiting for child to leave was not an option. Asking child to leave was kind of OK, but not often used. Feeding child was not OK as it ruined their family meal time. As our parents were busy, kids were in and out of each others houses so much treating them as guests with all the manners implied would not have worked. We had - as most of our street seemed to - a help your self table of fruit and healthy snacks. Kids around after their own dinner might also get cheese and crackers or be invited to join the table for pudding. I absolutely never wanted to go to someone else's family dinner table.
"Hey, Börje! Listen, I'm sorry but I can't come after all. Yeah, there is a child here, so we can't eat for another couple of hours." It probably would be a couple of hours too. If your own dinnertime was close, you would go home.
The expectation would be that you 1) at least provide snacks or refreshments, regardless of time of day, 2) CALL the parents to ask if their kid could eat with you, or 3) send the kid home so there is no conflict at all. Having a guest wait for you to finish is horrifically rude on a nearly universal, cross-cultural level. It's a bit like spitting on Jesus; so at ends with other's beliefs that it cannot be accepted, mentally.
"NEARLY universal". I never thought it was rude. So my friend stepped out of the room for 15 minutes. So what?
dude the entire planet is against you on this point.
It's not culture, it's a luck of culture. Or you can call it vulture.
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Yes it’s fine..because I’m tired of all the c**p people spout about my culture. Anti semitsm much
What a b***h. Just because there people out there who are anti-Semitic, that gives you the right to s**t on other people's culture? Do unto others.