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30 People Share “Social Customs” That Are Outdated, Toxic And Should Be Retired
In some areas, the world can change very fast but in others, it can lag behind. It sounds cliché, I know, but it's true.
Whether we're talking about the Western World or any other place, each society has its own problems and shortcomings. Discussing these delicate subjects isn't easy, either. Emotions can heat up such arguments very fast.
But it looks like Twitter user @ewgraiam found a way to get people together for a civilized chat: they asked nicely and offered a microphone. Turns out, it was all they needed to talk in peace about all the cultural things that could be changed to make the world a better place.
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According to one study, published in Nature Human Behaviour, people tend to copy other people's choices, even when they know that those people did not make their choices freely, and when the decision does not reflect their own actual preferences. That's how powerful social norms can be.
Imagine you have witnessed a man rob a bank but then he gives the stolen money to an orphanage. Do you call the police or leave the robber be, so the orphanage can keep the money?
Researchers posed this moral dilemma to 150 participants recruited online in their first experiment. But before people made their choice, the researchers also presented information about how similar participants in a previous experiment had imagined acting during this scenario.
Let them wear what they want or nothing at all. Boys and girls should not be taught that their body is a sin. The more they are around a relaxed “dress code” the more they will grow up accepting each other and not as sex objects.
"Nothing at all", are you sure? Extremes are not good. It is all about decency and circumstances.
Load More Replies...I see what you mean, but my daughter wouldn't wear pants at home until she was at least 6...
100% this. Stop putting the burden on the children and cut out the adult you KNOW is attracted to A LITERAL CHILD
We're going backwards. I was born in 1967. My Mom let us run around outside in bikini bottoms and NO TOP until we were 4 or 5. In a yard that the neighbor kids treated like a public park. She was born in the 20s and by no means a particularly "modern" woman. I wore the short-shorts that were in at the time through grade school. I wore tank tops. As a teenager, scant clothing was not particularly popular in the 80s, but I remember wearing short shorts and a cut off T-shirt that let my stomach shoe when I was 14 or so out playing basketball. Neither my dad nor my mom thought anything of it. Things are really, really going backwards.
Gonna play advocate here. If those athletic shorts have your a**e cheeks showing and I've got guests, you'd better believe that your changing your clothes! But if you're wearing a spaghetti strap tank-top with your midriff showing and those shorts do cover your a**e... Well in that case, my guests should know better than to sexualise people of my household/family.
So long as everything's not hanging/falling out...
Load More Replies...It's ridiculous to ask a family member to change clothes because someone is coming over to their house. If it's not a party or gathering, a dinner party or a funeral reception, which all family is dressing in a certain way, if it's just a casual visit and it's appropriate for the other family members to wear there normal home attire it should be ok for drop in or casual visits from others. If the guest is prone to leering or other inappropriate behavior then why are they there in the first place?
We will nicely ask our daughter to change her shorts sometimes if someone is coming over, the reason if from my own personal experience when my niece/her cousin, was around her age. We were hanging out at my Grandparents house, she had on those soft flimsy athletic shorts, I think maybe running shorts and I think they have a built in undie type liner. She was on the couch across the room and I accidentally caught a glimpse of her hooha. I felt so uncomfortable but I did quietly let her know that she should put a pillow in front of her or put a blanket over her legs, which she did, and she wasn’t upset or anything, maybe a bit embarrassed. She was sitting with her legs bent on the couch in front of her. It was totally accidental. So our daughter knows that story, so even when we are home just the 4 Of us and is wearing shorts like that, she will grab a pillow/blanket when she sits in the family room with us, and she understands why we ask/remind her to change if someone is coming over.
And I would assume she would be mindful of that if she is at friends houses. Being a teen girl mom, your just more mindful of some things. I recently texted a mom friend about a picture of her daughter and homecoming friends, her daughter was fine but 2 of the qirls were squatting oddly and not being very careful, even if they probably had shorts on under the dresses. My friend was mortified that she posted it, especially since it wasn’t her child. She immediately deleted that one and the girls can share it on their own if they want. If it was daughter posed like that, she wouldn’t have posted it, but I’m sure she was looking at her daughter & was excited to share her daughters first hoco pics.
Load More Replies...I disagree on this one because I once wore a gym outfit out at lowes..... every husband and man got hit by their partner.. they all turned there heads and looked. Even the employees. It is best that it should not be worn in public areas.
i would tell them to dress as for more formal type of clothes to show respect for the guests. Not because shorts too short
I still remember the good ole days when an entire courtroom could get away with shaming a rape victim because she was dressed proactively. Men are arseholes, but women allow this behavior. Lysistrata.
Unfortunately, girls learn quickly not to sit on Uncle's lap or give "cousin" a hug. I remember being groped by my cousin and he was pretty aggressive. I think I was 10.
Im going to get downvoted HARD. But women should stop teaching men to objectify them, and then play victim. Im a woman, I have female friends who would (in their own words) post thirst 'traps' for the attention one day and go all 'woe is me, do men see me as a piece of meat?' the next.
There are different degrees to this. I walk around at home in my underwear, or sometimes grey sweatpants or pajamas that don't hide my junk well at all, but are comfortable. I tend to get changed if my wifes friends come over.
Im the complete opposite I tell people to let me know because my daughter has the run of my home as far as she wears wut she wants and I dont stop her
Interesting my parents let the perv touch and kiss us , total yuck. I don’t think they realised, but how could they not notice… Thankfully sis and I have a strong sense of self worth.
Teach yourselves and others how to avoid the unwanted physical contact, how? As soon as that person begins to move forward toward you, take a big step back, if they keep coming take another by the third step backwards they should get the message. If by then they are not aware that their advance is unwanted you've had time to formulate a verbal response or an escape route.
Load More Replies...i would never tell them that after all its their house and if the person coming over dont like it then its tough s**t for them
to whoever downvoted me above, I will find you and kill you. Just kidding, but you have a problem if you're going around downvoting comments about women telling men to mind their own business.
Load More Replies...Frankly, I would tell my son the same. I've had to look away from "brain" more than once, the park, beach, friend's house, my father-in-law! Saying Don't look is simplistic. Only pervs deliberately look, for the rest of us, accidently catching a glimpse of genitalia, male or female, is Train wreck disturbing
If the clothes are so immodest that telling them to cover up is necessary says something about the wardrobe to begin with
Well if you want the world to see your daughter as a whore, yeah let her walk around in underwear.
Work on yourself. Duh you are going to oggle at some 9 year old girls ankles because you never stopped yourself. You already justified it in your mind "I am a unstoppable horney freak.
Load More Replies...If you're checking out a literal child and "get stimulated" by them, you have HUGE issues that need to be addressed immediately.
Load More Replies...When I was 11, I was told that my tank top was inappropriate, same with my shorts.
Load More Replies...Tipping is Ok as long as it represents your appreciation for how will the server did. It should not be your mandatory contribution to the income of a worker because their boss can't be arsed to pay them a decent wage.
"Half of our participants were told that most other people had imagined reporting the robber. The remaining half were told that most other people had imagined not calling the police," Campbell Pryor and Piers Howe, the co-authors of the study, said.
"Crucially, however, we made it clear to our participants that these norms did not reflect people's preferences. Instead, the norm was said to have occurred due to some faulty code in the experiment that randomly allocated the previous participants to imagining reporting or not reporting the robber."
However, the participants followed the social norms of the previous people, even though they knew they were entirely arbitrary and did not reflect anyone's actual choices.
I remember as a child my mother whipping me until I was covered in big red welts all over my arms and legs because she was told by a neighbour that I was in a house that was being built with some other kids and we made a big mess. I screamed at that it wasn't me and that I was at another friend's house all afternoon but she wouldn't listen. After she had finished with me I ran out to my friends house and asked her mother to tell my mother that I was with them. She did. She explained that the girl the neighbour saw was the back of another girl who had the same hair as me long and brown and was around the same age. All my mother said was "oh, well that's alright then". She never apologised or said anything else. I was in real pain for days afterwards. But she really didn't care. day
"A series of subsequent experiments, involving 631 new participants recruited online, showed that this result was robust. It held over different participants and different moral dilemmas. It was not caused by our participants not understanding that the norm was entirely arbitrary," the researchers explained.
Whether or not this is a good thing largely depends on the situation. For instance, social norms are being used to encourage pro-social behavior and have been successfully used to promote healthy eating, increase attendance at doctor appointments, reduce tax evasion, increase towel reuse at hotels, decrease long-term energy use, and increase organ donor registrations.
Boys will be boys is meant to be a light-hearted acceptance of boys immediately getting mud all over their new trousers, and stuff like that. Anyone who uses it to excuse boys inappropriate behaviour is an idiot.
The customer is rarely right and is usually an idiot. I told all my staff the moment I became manager "you are not paid to take abuse, refer them to me and i'll kick them out, i'm a salaried manager and I'M paid to deal with that nonsense, not you".
If it's Gods will for kids to suffer and die of starvation, cancer etc then God is a f*****g Sadist. I HATE it when people say s**t like that, heard it many times after an ectopic pregnancy.
studied psychology & behavioral science in college so learned many 'disciplines' in those fields. while i am not a fan of freud, one thing he did write that i totally agree with is this: "the greatest injustice we do to our children is not to teach them the power of sex". just because a parent(s) are uncomfortable talking about sex doesn't mean that their children don't need to know about it at a fairly early age. this would not only protect them but also make them understand that they need to respect their body as well as others and to prepare them to be responsible when it comes to sex. stop teaching people to be ashamed of the what is a biological act and calling it something dirty.
I actually like the idea of school uniforms. All schools in Australia have their own uniforms and we almost never hear about the incidences mentioned above. We mainly hear about private schools and the fact many of them require girls to wear skirts, NO pants. That should definitely change.
I have always taught my children to respect their elders, BUT I have also taught my children that just because they are an elder doesn't make them right. You can disagree with them but be respectful in your manner and words and if they get upset, scream at you or say derogatory things you are well within your rights to walk away.
My husband's former boss would not hire anyone with facial tattoos or piercings (hair he didn't care about so much.) His reasoning was that some of his senior citizen customers might feel uncomfortable around them. I could see that...but at the same time...just because they got those done doesn't make them bad people or workers. I can understand it being unnerving.
Netherlands: "Working 38 hours per week is too stressful and leaves us with almost no free time. We're switching to 30 hours per week."
My mother once chewed out my oldest brother for not giving our Grandmother a hug and kiss. She was dying from a rare blood cancer and was down to 90 lbs. It's scary for a 9 year old to see that and no one ever sat down with him to explain what was going on with her. He reluctantly gave her a hug and kiss and ran out of the room. It made my Grandmother cry. I don't think he ever got over the guilt of how she cried. I told him several times that it was not his fault.
Actually...most of the commercials I see have people sacked out and sleeping.
I was super impressed by my husband's aunt when her teenage son discussed politics with her. She disagreed with him, but ever so respectfully. She calmly and firmly gave her rebuttals. My parents would have pretty much told me to shut up and that I don't know what I'm talking about.
And who decided that hugging another man is considered cheating on your boyfriend. I hug my friends because I care about them...not because I want to sleep with them.
There's a flip side to this, where you end up with 27 year olds still living at home with mommy doing their laundry, not because rent is too expensive, but because their parents have enabled them to feel like they are their little angel forever. At 18 you should be able to *want* to move out without feeling like you *need* to move out, and know you are able to function in society while knowing you have support for the things you don't know yet.
maybe they are old and don't know what they are talking about but you can still be respectful in your manner and words and you have every right to walk away as well. I just get angry when I see someone screaming in the face of an elderly person. Also they grew up in a different time, many say things that they don't understand could be considered rude or racist. I had a conversation with a much older man and he called a certain Asian group a term I considered derogatory. I stopped him and said that word isn't acceptable anymore and you should not use that, please use this instead. He stopped and said well that's what we called them and I said I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate being called that and if you want to continue this conversation you can't use that word again. He kept talking and then stopped and said what word am I supposed to use again? He tried! If he had said the inappropriate word again I would've just walked away.
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Women should be able to be calmly straightforward about things without being labeled a bitch. We shouldn't have to go into sweetie pie mode to make a request or point out something that is wrong.
Wow, BP didn’t censor a cuss word!
Load More Replies...This happened today where I work: my boss (a man) was about to take my new coworker (a girl) to a meeting with clients at their place, and told her to be prepared to be harassed by the the guys that work there, but not to take it seriously. I can't believe I heard that... W T F???
I know that lots of countries have some of these issues but it does feel like this should really be called 30 outdated American customs. I don't think that that most of these problems exist in a lot of countries.
Having babies until you get the sex you want. Know people who had 11 kids to get their son, parentifed the older girls, so they could keep cranking out babies, then they wonder why their daughters don't talk to them. Well duh. None of them had penises so you decided none of them were good enough for you. Why the f**k should they talk to you? Acknowledge you?
There are some fabulous suggestions here. Question is, how the heck do we make them happen?
I disagree with the tipping one, Giving a waiter/waitress a few dollars is not the end of the world. If you can afford to eat out in the first place then you can afford to tip at least a few bucks.
These are social attitudes, more than customs. A social custom is something like men insisting on opening doors for women because they are women or women assuming that men will pay for a date.
My parents have never forced me to eat what I didn't want. They were forced to and vowed when they had kids they never would.
When someone has a legitimate problem, either emotionally or physically, and rather than wanting to discuss it, the person they tell starts talking about the bible.
Marriage as a sign of love. Love/trust/dedication does not require a legally binding contract, the only purpose of which is the threat/deterrent of divorce. Love (plus all the good stuff like trust) exists emotionally between people. Marriage only ever existed as a method of control and oppression. Now people somehow try and romanticise it.
Plus guaranteeing support. Check out the wedding vows. For peope with faith, the holding of the wedding is what counts, it means they are swearing before God and that is very important to them.
Load More Replies...Or finding it hard to show common courtesy/basic decency.
Load More Replies...Women should be able to be calmly straightforward about things without being labeled a bitch. We shouldn't have to go into sweetie pie mode to make a request or point out something that is wrong.
Wow, BP didn’t censor a cuss word!
Load More Replies...This happened today where I work: my boss (a man) was about to take my new coworker (a girl) to a meeting with clients at their place, and told her to be prepared to be harassed by the the guys that work there, but not to take it seriously. I can't believe I heard that... W T F???
I know that lots of countries have some of these issues but it does feel like this should really be called 30 outdated American customs. I don't think that that most of these problems exist in a lot of countries.
Having babies until you get the sex you want. Know people who had 11 kids to get their son, parentifed the older girls, so they could keep cranking out babies, then they wonder why their daughters don't talk to them. Well duh. None of them had penises so you decided none of them were good enough for you. Why the f**k should they talk to you? Acknowledge you?
There are some fabulous suggestions here. Question is, how the heck do we make them happen?
I disagree with the tipping one, Giving a waiter/waitress a few dollars is not the end of the world. If you can afford to eat out in the first place then you can afford to tip at least a few bucks.
These are social attitudes, more than customs. A social custom is something like men insisting on opening doors for women because they are women or women assuming that men will pay for a date.
My parents have never forced me to eat what I didn't want. They were forced to and vowed when they had kids they never would.
When someone has a legitimate problem, either emotionally or physically, and rather than wanting to discuss it, the person they tell starts talking about the bible.
Marriage as a sign of love. Love/trust/dedication does not require a legally binding contract, the only purpose of which is the threat/deterrent of divorce. Love (plus all the good stuff like trust) exists emotionally between people. Marriage only ever existed as a method of control and oppression. Now people somehow try and romanticise it.
Plus guaranteeing support. Check out the wedding vows. For peope with faith, the holding of the wedding is what counts, it means they are swearing before God and that is very important to them.
Load More Replies...Or finding it hard to show common courtesy/basic decency.
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