Religions are very, very complex. And in order to truly understand them, one has to really devote oneself to learning everything in and around them. But no matter how hard they try, some people just can't wrap their heads around some of the teachings.

So, in order to spark a discussion that would make sense of it all, Redditor u/sebastian-yrigoyen asked people to share, as they put it, the 'plot holes' they have noticed while practicing their religion. From Jesus' teenage years to the lack of dinosaurs, here's the sacred stories that are bugging everyone the most.

#1

Bring on the downvotes bc I know I'm going to get them.

No bible is the word of God written by man. They are the words of MEN written by MEN.

FFS there are over 1,000 denominations of Christianity alone, each knowing their version is the right one and all others are blasphemy.

Not to mention every bible from each religion is packed with contradictions...

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6 months ago

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All these 'plot holes' or people's search for answers in general highlight the fundamental differences between science and religion. The National Academy of Sciences and Institute of Medicine (now the National Academy of Medicine) shared this statement on the topic:

"Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities."

#2

"In the beginning there was Adam and Eve" Ok, I'm following that. 2 people on the planet.

They had 2 sons named Cain and Able. Yep, still with it. 4 people on the planet.

Cain killed Able. Ok, thats down to 3 people on the planet.

Cain took a wife. Wait, wut?

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troufaki13
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6 months ago

In the beginning there was Adam and Lillith

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The National Academy of Medicine argues that because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, they say, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.

#3

Virgin Mary had a child. Glances suspiciously at churches/catholic schools stating abstinence is 100% effective in avoiding a pregnancy.

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Joe Blowe
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6 months ago

During the biblical times, an unwed mother was called a virgin. The definition of the word changed over time

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#4

If Adam and Eve were the first two people on Earth and are responsible for the birth of all people ever, than the entire human race is the product of incest.

Although, to be fair, that does explain quite a lot.

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Fiish
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6 months ago

oh another one i can comment on xD i asked my religion teacher about this ages ago and her answer was literally "incest wasn't frowned upon back then" so uh

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#5

I would say about 3/4 of hardcore Christians think being LGBT is wrong and against their god, but then also say that "God created everyone exactly how he wants them to be" like ?????

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Fiish
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6 months ago

I've had this explained to me by my religious teachers so many times lol. short answer is apparently Lgbt people exist because humans give into sin and 'become' Lgbt :/ (im not sure if this is the proper explanation tho because my teachers are a bit hardcore religious)

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#6

I could live my entire life, adhering completely to the Christian moral compass, save millions of lives, treat every person with the utmost respect and dignity, refuse all toxic thoughts and actions, and yet (according to most Christian dogma) I would still burn in hell for eternity if I didn’t believe the Christian God exists.

That sentiment alone tells me that morality, and the course of our lives in general, is irrelevant in the end. All that matters is that the Christian God gets recognition. That God, to me, sounds more narcissistic than benevolent and loving. And therefore, is not a God I wish to worship.

There’s also issues such as, if God is truly omnipotent and omniscient then he could have purged the world of all suffering and pain. But he hasn’t because... he loves us? Because somehow the gift of free will, and therefore the gift of imperfection is more important than letting your children suffer and experience pain? Some children are born into poverty, beaten, starved, and killed before 10 years of age, without ever seeing kindness. What’s the lesson there God? Why must you treat the creations you love with such disdain solely to “make a point.”

I could go on. There’s so many issues I have with that belief system and narrative.

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Titas Burinskas
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6 months ago (edited)

As for that second point, the omnipotence and omniscience doesn't necessarily imply interaction or action. If God made the universe in the most perfect way, then why would he change it later? In other words, potency doesn't equal actuality. The argument of free will wouldn't make sense if God would always fix everything that happens. Perhaps God knew of all the suffering before he created everything, but he may have done it despite the suffering, meaning that suffering can be overcome with something greater. But I completely agree with you. Any suffering of a child is hard to excuse in a moral sense. Dostoevsky's Brothers Karamazov explores this theme extensively.

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#7

God is perfect and cannot sin. There exists “the wrath of God.” Wrath is one of the seven deadly sins.

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Titas Burinskas
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6 months ago

B-b-b-but it's different

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#8

God teaches us that it is a sin to be envious, and to be prideful, and that we must have compassion and understanding for others. And yet he will literally condemn someone to an eternity in hell for not worshiping him, even if said person has literally never heard of him.

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Mewton’s Third Paw
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6 months ago

I was just talking about how pathetic Yahweh is for this a couple days ago

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#9

I don't believe in any kind of God but I've always found it funny how in the bible, God made the sun on the fourth day. How could there have been any days before that?

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Aaron W
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6 months ago

One Mississippi, Two Mississippi, Three Mississippi......

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#10

I don't know if this is considered as a plot hole:

Judas Iskariot was essential to Jesus' plan. If he didn't sold Jesus out then the prophecy will not come true.

Why then is he considered a villain? He should be at the top! He got the job done!

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Mewton’s Third Paw
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6 months ago (edited)

Judas is an angel in heaven, so, not really a villain. Obviously I don’t believe in angels, but I’ve seen Jesus Christ Superstar enough to know that.

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#11

What happened to all the fresh water fish in the flood

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Scagsy
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6 months ago

They were on the Ark. Definitely

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#12

Plot hole: there are hundreds of other religions that also claim to be the only true one

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Violet brown
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6 months ago

we all know *my* religion is right - every religious person ever

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#13

This isn’t my religion, but I always found it hypocritical that the gods punished Oedipus for sleeping with his mother without realizing it, despite the fact that Zeus married his own sister while being fully aware that they were siblings.

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Eric Mac Fadden
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6 months ago

Zeus could do whatever he wants.... who - besides Kratos - would disagree?

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#14

Late to the party, but in Islam there's the belief that God knows everything you will do before you're even born. Meaning that we don't control our own actions. At the same time, to get into Heaven, you need to-- of your own accord-- pray 5 times daily, read the Quran, etc. So my thing is this: If God knows what everyone is gonna do beforehand, and He knows people aren't gonna do what it takes to get into Heaven (cause he is omniscient); doesn't this then mean that God has already decided who goes to Heaven and who gets Hell? Cause there's no possible way in any Abrahamic religion (cause they all operate under the "do this to get into paradise" thing and all have God knowing everything before it happens) that we'd be able to try to get into Heaven. And this is just the tip of the iceberg on questions

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Bunny Wood
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6 months ago

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#15

I want to know why so many Christians say that murder is wrong but ignore all the killing that God did in the Bible. Like, how do they justify drowning everyone except Noah and his family?

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Violet brown
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6 months ago

gods so forgiving... but he wouldn't give a whole world (except Noah and co) a second chance??? 🤷‍♀️

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#16

Evidence.

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Scagsy
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6 months ago

One word answer knocks it out of the park! Boom!

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#17

The lack of dinosaurs.

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Violet brown
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6 months ago

the lack of evolution

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#18

If man is not perfect, but man wrote the Bible how am I supposed to trust what I’m reading from the Bible. How do I know they didn’t mess anything up?

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Scagsy
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6 months ago

Oh they messed up. Messed up BIG. Lots of holes and inconsistencies

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#19

We can read Egyptian hieroglyphics. They kept extensive records. No mention of using Jewish slaves to build the pyramids, them revolting, a royal named Moses or a Red Sea parting.

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Violet brown
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6 months ago (edited)

Jewish slaves were kept and used but A sea splitting and ten plagues, really?

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#20

Not really a plot hole in the Christianity , but a plot hole in the interpretation of it.

Christianity was originally highly Jewish based and they didn’t like Romans, a few centuries later it was Roman/ European based and they heavily discriminated Jewish people. Wut

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Hume de Bruyn
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6 months ago

Christianity was never in alignment with Jewish beliefs. However, yes, it did branch from it, from the old testament, but then, even Islam takes a few pages from that book. And the only reason the Romans decided to adopt Christianity was for political reasons. Which then coincidently got Christianity to spread across Europe in later years.

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#21

I'm a lapsed catholic. Idolatry is one of the biggest "plot holes." If you worship the virgin Mary or any other saint you are as a matter of fact doing blasphemy. Don't come with the argument of them being a "middle man." Speak to god directly. The worship of saints is pretty much polytheism with yahweh (christian god) being Zeus's equivalent.

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T Simmons
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6 months ago

Agreed

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#22

Why would satan punish humans for rebelling against god, something that he himself once did. I've always thought of it as hypocritical, and that satan would reward the human for exercising their free will and living a life free of religious constraints.

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troufaki13
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6 months ago

Lucifer means the bearer of light (light=knowledge). I don't understand either...

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#23

It's not my religion but

"I love everyone no matter what" followed by "You better love me back or I'm gonna hate you forever and torture you for eternity" followed by "I don't love those people neither should you, what you should do is make their lives a living hell".

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Scagsy
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6 months ago

It's as if God was caught in about six different minds with that one.

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#24

An omnipotent being is used to explain the origin of everything in this universe, but there's no explanation for the origin of said omnipotent being.

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Mr Red
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6 months ago

There is an even more omnipotent being out there! But that's another story...

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#25

If Satan punishes those who sin, wouldn't he be considered a good guy?

Alternatively, if Satan is a bad guy, why would he punish other sinners?

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Mewton’s Third Paw
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6 months ago

I don’t think he punishes them, he just lives with them, away from god, and probably has some kind of dominion over them. God doesn’t even seem to claim that Lucifer is gonna hurt non believers. That’s just part of Christian folklore but I’m pretty sure it’s not in the Bible.

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#26

What happened to Jesus in his teen years tho?

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Death Metal Kitty
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6 months ago

He grew his hair out and was part of a folk metal band.

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#27

The concept of eternal peace and joy in heaven sounds very psychologically degrading long term. It sounds like living like a pet dog.

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Bunny Wood
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6 months ago

It was to keep the peasants in their place. Simple choices you see. Work hard go to heaven. Etc etc

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#28

Why do Christians think the characters in the bible are white or very caucasian looking?

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Mewton’s Third Paw
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6 months ago

They are “very Caucasian” considering Caucasian doesn’t mean white, and pretty much everyone in the Bible is from Middle East / North Africa near where the Caucasus range is, and every middle eastern and North African person can be classified as Caucasian based on skill shape, and not fitting into the other TWO classifications that go along with Caucasian (mongoloid and negroid). Caucasian is an outdated term, but that isn’t an invitation for white people to co-opt it like they do every single fucking thing else and act like it only applies to them. MENAs are technically Caucasian if you’re gonna use that archaic term. What you mean to say is that the characters in the Bible aren’t white Europeans, which is true, they certainly fucking are not.

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#29

Former catholic.. still waiting for somebody to explain Jesus's DNA situation is.. is he haploid? Where does his Y chromosome come from? So many questions.

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When God works miracles they are beyond the realm of scientific understanding. If you try to box God into our physical frame of reference (time, space, matter and energy) you are left with such ridiculous paradoxes as if God is all-powerful can he make a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it. I hope you see how ridiculous that is.

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#30

I am a Christian and a thing that has really puzzled me is that if Adam and Eve ever gave birth to a child wouldn't it be a sin even if marriage wasn't a thing back then? Like despite marriage not being a thing back then it would still technically be a sin in the future. Or did God make marriage a thing in the future and just brush it off since Marriage wasn't a thing back then? I am confusion.

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I think how we see marriage and how people of a different culture in history saw it, is different. I think the idea of it is simply, one person being together and loyal to one other person, with the act of marriage simply being a "worldly contract".

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