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This Is What Happens When You Don’t Hire A Wedding Photographer
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This Is What Happens When You Don’t Hire A Wedding Photographer

No matter what your wedding budget is, some expenses are vital. Especially, a professional wedding photographer. Eirik Halvorsen is one of them and he found a brilliant way to prove why specialists like him are essential to every ceremony.

“I recently came across a thread in a wedding group on Facebook where a bride-to-be said they wanted to save money by not hiring a professional wedding photographer and let the guests be in charge of the photos,” Eirik told PetaPixel. “I mean, they will take pictures, right? You just have to get everyone to dropbox you the photos after and you can make your own album and look back on those special moments forever.”

Not quite. Eirik married his wife almost four years ago and hired his dream photographer to capture all the precious moments. So he took the photographer’s images and compared them with actual photos from the same wedding, taken by the guests. Composition, lighting, image quality and other features differ dramatically. “All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos,” Eirik said. So if you want those photos to look great, they should be taken by someone who knows what he’s doing.

More info: eirikhalvorsen.com | Instagram (h/t: petapixel)

“[These] photos are actual photos from our own wedding taken by our guests,” Eirik said

The couple came up with this idea while scrolling through a wedding photography group on Facebook

“A bride-to-be said they wanted to save money by not hiring a professional wedding photographer”

“I mean, they will take pictures, right? You just have to get everyone to dropbox you the photos after…”

“… and you can make your own album and look back on those special moments forever”

Can you though?

Luckily, the couple haven’t followed this advice and had hired a photographer instead

Image credits: Jeff Newsom

Quite the contrast, right?

Image credits: Jeff Newsom

“Me and my wife <…> cut cost everywhere possible to be able to hire our dream photographer”

Image credits: Jeff Newsom

“All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos”

Image credits: Jeff Newsom

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AcousticGString
Community Member
5 years ago

I have photographers who could cut me a deal, but I'd rather spend my money on the honeymoon, and my future with that person. I feel like the more pricey the wedding, the more stressful.

Yugan Talovich
Community Member
5 years ago

Studies show that the pricier the wedding, the sooner the marriage breaks up.

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Just a Purpler
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't really care about photos, I'mma just spend my whole budget on the cake tbh.

Amanda Panda
Community Member
5 years ago

hahaha, you have my attention ... i need to know what sort of cake would require the bulk of your wedding budget!

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Just a Purpler
Community Member
5 years ago

I agree, those photographer's photos are a thousand times better, but it kinda seems like the point of this post is to explain that photos are the most important part of the wedding. They are a nice plus, but to some they are more important than others.

Ianthé Baeyens
Community Member
5 years ago

As a photographer, I think the point is to show people the difference before they ask their guests or grandfather to take some pictures instead.. if you put all that money/effort in your wedding, it would be a shame if you only have bad quality images, right?

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Rebeka Zając
Community Member
5 years ago

this is stupid. most of those "amateur" photos look like made with 20 year old cameras. If you have decent camera you would avoid all this grain and "moved" photos, you dont need proffesional photographer for that. I made some photos(for free ofc) on my friends weddings with camera worth 250USD and they looked great.

Anna Thouvenin
Community Member
5 years ago

Eirik Halvorsen's wedding was in 2011. Do you remember the quality of your phone's camera in 2011? I do. They are horrible. Only in the most recent years (since 2013-14) you can compare a phone's camera to an actual camera. But even my galaxy S6 struggles in places with poor lighting or moving subjects...

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Yugan Talovich
Community Member
5 years ago

A friend took a dozen photos of our wedding. Good enough. I was there for my wife, not photos.

Hans
Community Member
5 years ago

Comparing cherrypicked professional photos to "lemon-picked" smartphone snapshots...well. I remember this BP post, which goes into the opposite direction: https://www.boredpanda.com/dog-films-wedding-gopro/ Thus: forget about professionals, but also ban private smartphones, simply let the dog take the photos!

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

its a 2 minute video and probably 8-12 hours of footage they had to edit thru. You also need video editing experience. The ceremony part had someone pointing the dog in the right direction. There's another video of a gopro attached to a bottle of fireball that was much more interesting

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Smoky
Community Member
5 years ago

Somehow I like the photos from guests more. Yes, the photos from the photographer are really beautiful and have a lot more quality but the guest's photos are more personal, more realistic and more "out of life". Also like other said before: photos aren't the most important thing of a wedding, it is the love (and maybe the food ;))

Marie-Ève Lacombe
Community Member
5 years ago

I 100% agree with you! If I ever marry, I don't want pictures that look like they are straight out of some fairytale or too calculated . Those kind of pictures always end up looking similar anyway. I want them to feel real and spontaneous. And it's nice to have the vision of the guests and it's like a little gift from each of them.

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Stille20
Community Member
5 years ago

I think this was a little preachy. One facebook post said she was going to save money by not hiring a photographer and you put together a PSA on why you need an expensive photographer. Easy friend.

Cassandra Ryder
Community Member
5 years ago

Ummm, all that's left is the marriage.

Catalina Ioan
Community Member
5 years ago

Thank you! It was beyond me how nobody was pointing out that sad, sad flaw in his logic... It speaks volumes about him, and not in a good way.

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Carlos Jimenez Jr.
Community Member
5 years ago

What's the point of taking a photo if you're going to photoshop the hell out of it? We pay people to capture the most cliche parts of the wedding, walking down the ailse, holding hands in front of a door or whatever. No one takes candid photos of conversations or dancing or of ugly faces and unflattering moments. I kind of hate the philosophy of commercial photographers.

1020252396
Community Member
2 years ago

Carlos Jimenez Jr. ?

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--
Community Member
5 years ago

if your guest happens to be a professional photographer then double win

Kadri Press
Community Member
5 years ago

I'm a wedding photographer and would never bring my camera to a friends' wedding :'D I sure hope I don't get invited just because I am a photographer.

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Tish Christian
Community Member
5 years ago

This is BS

Doris M
Community Member
5 years ago

I agree with the comments that it's about about the photography. Hell, of course I want wedding photographers to make their dough. But people put so much pressure on themselves to have perfect photos that it's pathetic. I went to about 50 weddings in my 20s and 30s (i won't even go into the second and third and fourth marriages I went to in my 40s) and all I can say is that I have exactly 18 photos from my parent's wedding in 1972 and they were all taken with a boring Kodak and not a single 8x10. When you have those few images instead of 100 or more and they was just happiness in every shot, not planned not posed, you feel like a million bucks. Sure, get them professionally done, I think if you have the money it's nice. I got married and had normal photos with a semi-professional photographer who was a family friend and we were happy; no need for Cartier-Bresson finishing. I feel like a sh*t also saying- every high priced super expensive wedding I went to: they are all divorced.

Doris M
Community Member
5 years ago

I couldn't edit this after my comment but, my first sentence- what I meant to say is, it's NOT about the photography. :) I

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Lister
Community Member
5 years ago

Wow, did the guests take those photos with a potato? I feel like cell phones these days do a little better than this. And i kind of feel like this is a photographer trying to keep up business by contrasting with potato pics.

Michele Henderson
Community Member
5 years ago

The cost of weddings is completely out of hand. Sadly, people hardly blink an eye at spending huge amounts on engraved napkins but then they want to cut costs by using friends and family to do the professional services like photography, music, the cake. Either way, professional or amateur, you could have results you love or results you'll regret. Sadly, there's no guarantee. We were married in 2007 and DID use a professional photographer, who happened to be a family member. His pictures were technically beautiful, but they all look so still and formal and very old fashioned poses. During the photo session, I would say I wanted a picture of all of us doing this or that in casual and fun poses and he just didn't want to do it, snapping a quick pick to make me happy. Meanwhile, our friends and family snapped away on their own cameras. So, we had back to back comparisons of the same poses and the differences were too minimal to even notice. The amateurs shots were gorgeous too!

Wezbie
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't understand why everyone is so mad about getting nice wedding photos in the comments section... I got married a year ago and I am so grateful that we had a photographer and videographer. At the time, we weren't sure we needed the videographer but someone said that not having one was their only regret from their wedding. Looking back on it now, I am so so happy that we did. Out of all the expenses, these were some of the most worthwhile. Memories are precious but even a month after, I'd forgotten details and now it is lovely to look back at the most special day of our lives. It was nice to see photos and videos of our favourite people having a great time (you'll know that as a bride you don't get to speak to everyone for a long period) and the day absolutely flies by. I love the thought that I will be able to show these to our kids and grandkids one day as a bit of their history. It is likewise wonderful to me to look at a video of my grandparents dancing at my wedding.

.gas.
Community Member
5 years ago

You can re-create any of these photos with a cell phone and a few filters. Wedding photogs get over yourselves.

Chris Causey
Community Member
5 years ago

Promoted by a wedding photographer. Typical.

Karen Braunsdorf
Community Member
5 years ago

I didn't have a pro 24 years ago. Just friends and family who took 15 - 24 exposes disposable cameras and filled them with wonderful pics that no pro would ever get. Those are the memories i want, not me and my spouse standing in some nameless field looking unnatural.

Marioara Popescu
Community Member
5 years ago

If the photographs is all you have left, better stay single.

MG Bee
Community Member
5 years ago

The professional's photos are beautiful but I think the ones taken by the guests make the moments seem more real and spontaneous and show the character of the people more. They're more fun to look at anyway!

Wesley Rainey
Community Member
5 years ago

Man, how did people remember weddings before photography? I mean shit... how are we even still alive if the cavemen didnt have the proper megapixels ?????

pakuka
Community Member
2 years ago

Wesley Rainey no

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Layla
Community Member
3 years ago

I agree with OP here: Photos are important. I'd totally downgrade on the wedding dress or on the food or some other fancy display to get some nice photographs. Because those details will be forgotten in the long run, but I'll still be looking at the photos years later.

Carol Wolters
Community Member
5 years ago

The photographer is right. I have sold bridal gowns for decades, I am NOT in the photography busiess. Get the best photographer AND perhaps a videographer too if you wish. Do NOT skimp on a professional photographer. As he said, afterwards all you have are photos & your gown in a bag. You cannot recreate your wedding.

Lee Scott
Community Member
5 years ago

I remember a wedding where the couple bought a couple hundred disposable cameras and distributed them to all the guests to take pictures during the reception. At the end, as you left, you just tossed the camera into a large bin with all the others. I imagine they got some good pictures, but, wow, they probably got tons of crap too. A pro would have been a lot cheaper, I'll bet.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

Alot of people only think of the cost and don't consider the convenience. Average photographer probably take 1800 photos weeds out and edits 600 best ones and gives you bound album of very best shots zero work on your part.

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Jeffrey Deston
Community Member
5 years ago

Since the marriage realistically only has a 50% chance of actually not ending up in divorce, that means there is a 50% chance you will be throwing away all the photos. Spend the money on the other things.

mann70
Community Member
2 years ago

Jeffrey Deston like

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Amanda Haley
Community Member
5 years ago

I wasn't planning on having a photographer, but our parents want updated, nice family photos because it isn't everyday that we are all in the same place. Not just my parents and sister, but Aunts, uncles, cousins etc. We have busy lives and live all over. It has been over 10 years since my fathers side of the family has had a family photo taken. I also had mentioned that my guests could take photos, but I don't want anyone to feel obligated to, and they are my guests so they should enjoy the day, and not watch it through a lens. So I found a professional who my fiance and I were comfortable with and I am happy that I did. My wedding is also not expensive at all, at least compared to what is normal these days. Everything will be paid for by the end of my wedding day.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

Most sane comment I've read here

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NWB
Community Member
5 years ago

After all is said and done on wedding day what do you have left? Photos and rings, spend the money on the memories, dont go crazy budget wise, but I guess I just love having all those photos to look back on and all over my wall.

Lisa Johnson
Community Member
5 years ago

Weddings can be ridiculously expensive. And for what...one day?! By having your guests take pics, you get to experience the day through their eyes. It makes it more personal, too, I think.

dr156
Community Member
2 years ago

Lisa Johnson +

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Glass Studio Print Stukla
Community Member
5 years ago

Didn't get the idea WHY photos matter more if there are made by a pro or with a 2MB phone....

Marysia Jawłowska
Community Member
5 years ago

If all that is left today are the photos, that's kind of sad. I agree that if you care about having high-quality photos, you ought to hire a professional but don't just take it for granted that wedding photos are something of universal value and every human being needs them. Plenty of people don't need a wedding in the first place.

Michelle Bates
Community Member
5 years ago

Actually all you have left is the marriage. 9 years and counting...

vernier-benoit
Community Member
2 years ago

Michelle Bates Good response!

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Jessica Sparks
Community Member
5 years ago

I am pretty sure you still have eachother left not just the photos. Also, when you are both dead the majority of your photos will probably just be thrown away. Sad truth. This is a bad article with annoyingly stupid advice to splurge with money that should be invested in the future, not the past.

seo_10
Community Member
2 years ago

Jessica Sparks Good response!

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Viktor Zsigrai
Community Member
2 years ago

also dont forget phonecameras are way better than 5-10 years before digital cameras

sasch-gromow2015
Community Member
2 years ago

Viktor Zsigrai good

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Viktor Zsigrai
Community Member
2 years ago

you want to remember for the moment the participants will remeber of grainy pictures too who werent participants of a wedding they wont feel better by master photoghraps if you want really special then hire an artist, give a picture then an artist can paint something unique, no camera can capture

Nanette Wilson
Community Member
3 years ago

We hired a photographer and it was the biggest waste of money we spent!! She took terrible pictures...first off she was more than 2 hours late, off centered, horrible lighting, not 1 picture of the bride and groom together other than a couple kissing pictures. It was awful!

xpunkcatx
Community Member
2 years ago

Nanette Wilson good

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NaveenKumar Dezvolta
Community Member
4 years ago

That's really a good set of wedding photographs and without them your wedding event wouldn't be complete because wedding is a part of our life which happens only once in our life time so that we have to save those memories by hiring a professional wedding photographer - https://bhalajephotography.com/

Marylin Serrano Giron
Community Member
5 years ago

yep...a lot forget that the pictures stay with you forever, separate from the lovely memories of course...frankgiron.com

bidabazz
Community Member
2 years ago

Marylin Serrano Giron haha

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catherine waite
Community Member
5 years ago

Dose it matter what other people choose to do. The cost of hiring a photographer might be too much for some people. So should they be told that they should. No. My friend did not have a wedding photographer and she got some great images. It the persons choice

Jespren Ray
Community Member
5 years ago

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Myself (with the exception of one or two really color skewed ones) I throughly enjoy the amateur photos. I'd want (and have) an album of them over the staged 'perfect' pictures. My grandfather and uncle took the majority of the pictures at my wedding (neither a professional) and we have both truly beautiful shots, classic sepia and black and white, tenderly posed, and mistakes that make us laugh and remember the details that would otherwise get eclipsed over the years. The one time I could say I would want to get a professional, or at least a serious hobbyist, is if it wasn't an outdoor event. GIVen the outdoor lighting, the more expensive equipment is almost a necessity for shots that aren't glared out or too dark or over exposed. Even then, he majority of the album-for us- would surely be not perfect keepsakes from guests and family members capturing the little moments that make up good memories.

Jespren Ray
Community Member
5 years ago

Was an outdoor, not wasn't.

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tiagoobin
Community Member
5 years ago

I think those photos taken by guests are funny, nice and REAL. They are sure fun to watch after years have passed :D but sure, I'm glad they also had a professional photographer.

M
Community Member
5 years ago

The professional photo's are beautiful. But I like the other ones better because the seem more spontaneous and not so staged.

Joe Richard
Community Member
5 years ago

Yous just got M. Night Shyamalan'd

Dave Nesbitt
Community Member
5 years ago

and your spouse I presume?

Tipa Africas
Community Member
5 years ago

I'd advise people to hire student photographers or young people in training who need experience but still have skill. they'll usually do it for free or for food and drink or just a small fee at most because they'll be seeking to build their portfolios too!

r-c-rausch
Community Member
2 years ago

Tipa Africas ?

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Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

I love all the comments from people proud they got their friends to work for free. I have a buddy thats an auto mechanic, I don't invite him over to repair my car for free. Even if they offer to do it free i decline because I respect them.

LilicatUK
Community Member
5 years ago

But the shots taken by the guests are more meaningful, taken by people who know and care about them, also I'm 100% sure at least one guest could take great shots given or allowed to take a good camera, even on a mobile. Professional photos are nice of course but the photographer is there for the money only.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

by that logic why hire professional caterers or baker to make the cake? Wedding dress should be made by hand too. Tell the bridal party to sweep the floors afterwards. What if the couple sees a professional photographer as a facilitator so the stress of taking photos isn't on the guest? Group photos can be taken without excluding one person or searching out someone to hold the camera. Many photographers offer photobooths, effortless way to take great photos and instant momento for the guests.

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Roberta Blanton
Community Member
5 years ago

“All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos” Really? Not your wife or your marriage itself? Sorry, but this has still not changedy mind on saving money on photographers. Even those pictures that were poor quality were taken out of love by special people and show more emotion than those fake looking photographer pics.

Tessa Heffels
Community Member
5 years ago

I think the photos taken by the guests are more special. The quality might not be as good, but I expected way worse! Those people know you and the pictures are even more personal to me.

Jace
Community Member
5 years ago

Also, vote up for showing that experts have value beyond saving a buck. Seriously, the anti-intellectualism and the death of expertise these last ten years... sad culture.

Jace
Community Member
5 years ago

"All that's left today are the photos"... and, i would hope, their relationship...???!

Cathy Scriven-Williams
Community Member
5 years ago

We have two photo albums; the professional one and one made up of photos that the guests took. The professional ones look great but the others are fun. They show an older male guest wearing my veil, the little kids playing and our neices rushing to give my husband a hug. Don't get me wrong, the profession took some great photos and kept everything running smoothly but they aren't the only good pics and this article seems a little sneery towards the alternatives.

Gabriel Goh
Community Member
5 years ago

This is the saddest thing I read from the above: “All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos”.

Caroline In't Veld
Community Member
5 years ago

We hired a photographer. She was terrible! We ended up making suggestions like, 'should you maybe take more then one photo of all the guests and ourselves?' 'Won't we have dappled sunlight on us in this setting? (of course we did :( ) My husband's head is half purple in most of the shots. I could go on and on in how horrendous she was! Added insult, I kept requesting the photo's- she said she was still 'editing' them. She eventually told me she'd sent them by registered post with a bonus 'gift'. A week later, no photo's- finally months later she sent them to me- via Facebook. Only 'editing' - 2 photo's were changed to black and white. Luckily out wedding guests had a couple of nice 'snaps' .

rongladney
Community Member
2 years ago

Caroline In't Veld yes

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Beverly Hasegawa
Community Member
5 years ago

Yes, quite the contrast: Now they look like everyone else's wedding photos, all prettified and every scrap of individuality gone.

Adam Warlock
Community Member
5 years ago

Yes, quite the contrast. The first are genuine fun photos that capture the feeling, the photographed ones are sort of when you photoshop into a knight's armor

Stephanie Burton
Community Member
5 years ago

This is such bs, we had no wedding photographer and you know what we did have instead? A fucking fabulous time, thank you very much

Luke Kupinas
Community Member
5 years ago

"All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos" So I take it that means the marriage didn't last long?

rebelde45
Community Member
2 years ago

Luke Kupinas -

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peri
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't see anything wrong with the pictures that the guests shot.

Katinka Min
Community Member
5 years ago

Maybe it's just me, but I like the first set, too. Having to take out a chunk of time for pics or actually stage the whole thing on a different day is also stressful.

Aimee Guzman-Jones
Community Member
5 years ago

My sister hired a professional, and their photos were HORRIBLE!!! I personally took better photos and my sister paid for all the film I used. It was a total waste of money with this particular photographer. So my advice....check their work. Not all professionals are the same.

veronicad2k
Community Member
2 years ago

Aimee Guzman-Jones good

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Bipin Gupta
Community Member
5 years ago

Appears this couple allowed their Dog to take their wedding photos with a Key Chain Camera. Had they allowed their family or friends to shoot with their Smart Phone Cameras, the photos would have been sharp, colorful, peppy and well posed. Hey Erik instead you could have found a friend or family with a DSLR - common they are very affordable these days at around $ 300 to 400. And you have posted some of the worst photos - unsharp/fuzzy, noisy, colors out of balance - that even a 10-year old child with her Point & Shoot Camera would have have been ashamed of and done a better job. I am a very ordinary Amateur Photographer and wish you had invited me as a friend to take your Wedding Photographs. I bet you a $ 1000 I would have taken close to 80% perfection as the Pro Wedding Photographer. This article is a SHAM.

Ashley Dopp
Community Member
5 years ago

We spent a fortune on our photographers, and honestly, they started to annoy us. Every time we wanted to sit and enjoy a drink or food, there was some kind of photo they wanted to take. At one point, when we were pulled off the dance floor to take a photo outside with sparklers, my husband started fuming. And, after all that, we took the USB stick of every photo they took, but never bothered to pick out the photos for the album we paid for. Three years later and still no album. So while a good photographer helps, it's not everything.

Margaret Faulkner
Community Member
5 years ago

Sometimes, and far too often, the photos outlast the marriage. I didn't hire a photographer for my wedding, and the results were a mixed bag, just like the people who attended the wedding. I'm glad to say that the amateur photographers captured the more intimate side of the event, and I was able to see the wedding through their eyes.

leah-davcheva
Community Member
2 years ago

Margaret Faulkner haha

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Bipin Gupta
Community Member
5 years ago

I am a very ordinary Amateur Photographer. I also do some weddings for friends and family. I may not be able to match a Pro Wedding Photographer, but I WILL shoot sharp, colorful and photos with pop. I will also take some great close up shots of the couple and family in all their finery. What has been shown above is a JOAK, as even a Phone Camera today can take sharp & pretty photos. Showing the worst photos - rejects - from your friends or family is a shame for this guy Erik, and an affront to them.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

Photographers literally refer to you as the "Uncle Bob" type. If you're so great at it then why don't you start a business? instead you try to undermine others.

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Anita Wolf
Community Member
5 years ago

“All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos” WTF ... hello google: remind me not to marry ever

Charles R Cloninger
Community Member
5 years ago

I have two ex-wives who both have a set of expensive wedding photos in their attics.

alliebrown099
Community Member
2 years ago

Charles R Cloninger +

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Susan Riley
Community Member
5 years ago

Does anybody actually look at wedding albums past the first year of marriage? I've been married 30 years and we've only got 1 or 2 snapshots somebody thought to take. They're "in a box somewhere."

Amy Green
Community Member
5 years ago

We had a professional photographer, and overall I totally agree that it's like night and day. There was just one exception for us because one of the guests at our wedding had a really good camera and happened to catch us at a perfect moment, and it's our favorite photo from our wedding.

David Brown
Community Member
5 years ago

I think that is a good choice, to leve the stress & responsabilty up to a professional. And let your guests enjoy your wedding. And if they get a few great candid photos, while your professional photographer is busy taking group shots etc, then great :)

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Elizabeth Calloway-Plante
Community Member
5 years ago

I didn't hire a photographer for my wedding, had friends and family take the pictures. Yeah they are blury and dark and all sorts of weird, but that doesn't make the memories in those photos and less meaningful. I can look at a picture and not only say that was a fun moment, but I can also say I'm happy my mom or my friend captured that moment for me.

plvander
Community Member
2 years ago

Elizabeth Calloway-Plante like

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Deirdre Ryan
Community Member
5 years ago

For those that say they like the candids taken by guests, the professional wedding photographer also takes candids throughout the wedding day starting from when the bride and groom is getting ready, capturing all the details and emotions as well as the posed and the actual ceremony. If you can't afford a full day, at least ask about half day coverage so that you get the ceremony, formals and family photos and part of the reception, move up the cake cutting so that can be included. I used to photograph weddings and now I'm a commercial photographer, but hearing the negative comments is horrible...

Travis Peters
Community Member
5 years ago

Whoever took the photos with the phone used a very poor quality or older phone. Any newer phone is capable of taking great pictures; far better than the ones in this post. Also, you can buy a very good camera capable of taking near-professional quality photos for a fraction of the cost of hiring a photographer. Obviously this was posted by a photographer

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

You can do that, but are you going to ask a friend to follow you around all day for 8-12 hours taking photos on your wedding day and not pay them? I wouldn't ask that of my very best friends, I want them to relax and enjoy the wedding not put them to work.

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Mel Elliott
Community Member
5 years ago

We didnt hire a professional.. got my brother inlaw... he loves taking photos.. so he did just as a great job as a professional would

CC Hogan
Community Member
5 years ago

But then, when I look at the photos I and other family members took of my nephew's wedding, they were all the shots the pro would have missed - those little personal moments that mean so much. They didn't hire a photographer and their photo record is beautiful. Funny too!

Nadine Wilms
Community Member
5 years ago

I thing the first photos are real life, real party... (I like!) the other "Disney look"... looks like a weeding from someone, from everybody.. like advertising...

a-regan
Community Member
2 years ago

Nadine Wilms lol

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Kerryn Brunner
Community Member
5 years ago

Yeah but what happens when like me the photographer you hire does a crappie job. $3500 down the drain

shoobiestomper91
Community Member
2 years ago

Kerryn Brunner +

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Dinah J
Community Member
5 years ago

While the greatest quality isn't necessarily produced from people's cellular phones and digital cameras, I think candid shots are the best kind showing how not only the couple but also their guests enjoyed the day. the examples of bad photography shown here are likely the worst selected from an otherwise large collection of fairly decent photos. I get that professional photographers feel threatened by smartphones and digital photoediting for everyone to use and enjoy, but ultimately, it's up to the couple how they want to spend their money and people who sell things shouldn't command this.

yamatokatsuha09000
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2 years ago

Dinah J -

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Manali Haware
Community Member
5 years ago

I loved this post :) I see this as a post that tells us that one must never compromise on precious memories. ... Beautiful post, again

asgielavner
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2 years ago

Manali Haware love

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Wombat34
Community Member
5 years ago

All that is left is the photos? Did the marriage not work out?

PetruF
Community Member
5 years ago

Behold the subtle difference between photos taken with a potato and a real camera

olemann77
Community Member
5 years ago

Well... the first ones looks kind of private and authentic. The "pro" ones looks staged and fake..

Nia Sheridan-Burch
Community Member
5 years ago

We didn't hire a photog and my pix are great

jkevinga
Community Member
2 years ago

Nia Sheridan-Burch yes

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Jerry Mathers
Community Member
5 years ago

So what I'm reading here is that most folks would rather drop two grand (or more) on a one time wear dress, ten grand (or more) on a ceremony and reception, but skimp out on the one service that is designed to actually capture all the work and money that went into it and rely on their buddies (doesn't matter what camera they have if they don't understand photography) to capture the picts? Wow! Here's another idea. Get married in small ceremony, throw your buddies a kegger, and spend the dough on something fun. Because in 10 years your most salient memories will likely be the something fun part. And the pictures, well, I'm thinking you won't notice the difference. Hell, you could even get a guy to Photoshop you wearing the dress (and that will be the best picture of the bunch).

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

don't forget the floral arrangements and DJ that often get paid more than the photographer

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Davi Chaim
Community Member
5 years ago

Hey folks! If someone of you are afraid to dont have good images from your wedding, your problems are over! Have a look at my work and if you like it I would be glad to make my best for you all!! I really do it with my soul and my heart: www.oficinadaphoto.com

joachim-schrader
Community Member
2 years ago

Davi Chaim love

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Deanna Torres
Community Member
5 years ago

thankfully I have a cousin who is a photographer (and a bridesmaid) I got many beautiful photos without paying a penny.

Jim Frees
Community Member
5 years ago

I'm a professional photographer. The short-sighted attitude of people who would rather spend their money on "more important things" is stunning to me. Trusting your wedding to drunken amateurs who can't even hold a cell phone steady is like letting your neighbor, the truck driver, do brain surgery. The pictures aren't for YOU, dummy ! They're for your parents, children and grandchildren who will want to see what idiots looked like 30 years ago.

Davi Chaim
Community Member
5 years ago

huahauhauahuahauhauaha I´m laughing a lot with your comment!! ... And I´m here wondering that just in my country the people could be so stupids!! No. They really are on entire world!

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Jordi Vilar
Community Member
5 years ago

I understand that weddings can be stressful and pricey. But all things considered, hiring a wedding photographer is, if not always, at least 95% of the time the right choice. Sure, not all wedding photographers are great and some of them can be a little cheesy, In any case, there are many wedding photographers with very different styles, some of them using a documentary approach and they are able to get many great candid shots. Checking several photographers' websites is always a good idea. Asking a friend to do it for free? It's a risk, but if your friend is an aspiring photographer looking to widen his/her book or an advanced amateur with deep knowledge of composition and light, then the results can be good. Mobile phones are a double edged sword: If they have great sensors but their owners can't get the right light or if they don't know anything about shutter speeds or ISO's the results will end up being bad.

albrecht09
Community Member
2 years ago

Jordi Vilar good

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Monyata Taylor
Community Member
5 years ago

I am getting married next Saturday. My fiancé and I decided not to hire a wedding photographer. We are on a small budget. It's going to be a very small wedding. 30 guests. No bridal party. No formal reception. Just a dinner afterward at one of the nice local restaurants. We wanted to be able to celebrate after and afford to feed our guests. So we just could not afford a professional photographer. Thankfully I have a friend who does video production and she will be documenting our special day for free.

stuart-larsen
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2 years ago

Monyata Taylor -

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Carlos Jimenez Jr.
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5 years ago

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Master Markus
Community Member
5 years ago

I'm not into big weddings. If you're going to spend a lot of money on something, spend it on the food.

Larry BobJoe
Community Member
5 years ago

hire my dad, he does this stuff for a living

Paul K. Johnson
Community Member
5 years ago

I am not a pro photographer but I did my sister's wedding. Everyone loves the photos. This was the end of days for film but I shot something like ten 36-shot rolls. My brother (sister's twin) hired a pro and everyone is very disappointed with the photos because he barely took any and every shot was posed - not a single candid. The problem with guests taking photos is that any time you get everyone grouped for a shot, some guest (or six) say, "Hey, look over here!" So you can either be rude to guests and tell them to get lost or you wait for them to finish so you can take the "official" shots and hopefully by then the people you're photographing aren't sick of standing there. Plus ninety-nine percent of everyone doesn't know how to frame a shot properly or to get distracting stuff out of the frame of view before taking the shot like the plastic cup on the floor next to the bride's feet. A good photographer is looking at everything except the subject before he takes a photo.

Jonathan Eatsalot
Community Member
5 years ago

I like the non professional ones better - honest, warts and all

Undead Soldier
Community Member
5 years ago

Wow the photos of the professional photographer are amazing! I don't know why would anybody want to save for a photographer.

Denzel Bradshaw
Community Member
5 years ago

My wife insisted on a videographer and phographer and im so happy we did was very upset with the pictures

ra_coder
Community Member
2 years ago

Denzel Bradshaw follower

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Denise Stark
Community Member
5 years ago

I'm too simple minded. I didn't see all too much difference in the pics.

AcousticGString
Community Member
5 years ago

I have photographers who could cut me a deal, but I'd rather spend my money on the honeymoon, and my future with that person. I feel like the more pricey the wedding, the more stressful.

Yugan Talovich
Community Member
5 years ago

Studies show that the pricier the wedding, the sooner the marriage breaks up.

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Just a Purpler
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't really care about photos, I'mma just spend my whole budget on the cake tbh.

Amanda Panda
Community Member
5 years ago

hahaha, you have my attention ... i need to know what sort of cake would require the bulk of your wedding budget!

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Just a Purpler
Community Member
5 years ago

I agree, those photographer's photos are a thousand times better, but it kinda seems like the point of this post is to explain that photos are the most important part of the wedding. They are a nice plus, but to some they are more important than others.

Ianthé Baeyens
Community Member
5 years ago

As a photographer, I think the point is to show people the difference before they ask their guests or grandfather to take some pictures instead.. if you put all that money/effort in your wedding, it would be a shame if you only have bad quality images, right?

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Rebeka Zając
Community Member
5 years ago

this is stupid. most of those "amateur" photos look like made with 20 year old cameras. If you have decent camera you would avoid all this grain and "moved" photos, you dont need proffesional photographer for that. I made some photos(for free ofc) on my friends weddings with camera worth 250USD and they looked great.

Anna Thouvenin
Community Member
5 years ago

Eirik Halvorsen's wedding was in 2011. Do you remember the quality of your phone's camera in 2011? I do. They are horrible. Only in the most recent years (since 2013-14) you can compare a phone's camera to an actual camera. But even my galaxy S6 struggles in places with poor lighting or moving subjects...

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Yugan Talovich
Community Member
5 years ago

A friend took a dozen photos of our wedding. Good enough. I was there for my wife, not photos.

Hans
Community Member
5 years ago

Comparing cherrypicked professional photos to "lemon-picked" smartphone snapshots...well. I remember this BP post, which goes into the opposite direction: https://www.boredpanda.com/dog-films-wedding-gopro/ Thus: forget about professionals, but also ban private smartphones, simply let the dog take the photos!

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

its a 2 minute video and probably 8-12 hours of footage they had to edit thru. You also need video editing experience. The ceremony part had someone pointing the dog in the right direction. There's another video of a gopro attached to a bottle of fireball that was much more interesting

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Smoky
Community Member
5 years ago

Somehow I like the photos from guests more. Yes, the photos from the photographer are really beautiful and have a lot more quality but the guest's photos are more personal, more realistic and more "out of life". Also like other said before: photos aren't the most important thing of a wedding, it is the love (and maybe the food ;))

Marie-Ève Lacombe
Community Member
5 years ago

I 100% agree with you! If I ever marry, I don't want pictures that look like they are straight out of some fairytale or too calculated . Those kind of pictures always end up looking similar anyway. I want them to feel real and spontaneous. And it's nice to have the vision of the guests and it's like a little gift from each of them.

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Stille20
Community Member
5 years ago

I think this was a little preachy. One facebook post said she was going to save money by not hiring a photographer and you put together a PSA on why you need an expensive photographer. Easy friend.

Cassandra Ryder
Community Member
5 years ago

Ummm, all that's left is the marriage.

Catalina Ioan
Community Member
5 years ago

Thank you! It was beyond me how nobody was pointing out that sad, sad flaw in his logic... It speaks volumes about him, and not in a good way.

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Carlos Jimenez Jr.
Community Member
5 years ago

What's the point of taking a photo if you're going to photoshop the hell out of it? We pay people to capture the most cliche parts of the wedding, walking down the ailse, holding hands in front of a door or whatever. No one takes candid photos of conversations or dancing or of ugly faces and unflattering moments. I kind of hate the philosophy of commercial photographers.

1020252396
Community Member
2 years ago

Carlos Jimenez Jr. ?

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--
Community Member
5 years ago

if your guest happens to be a professional photographer then double win

Kadri Press
Community Member
5 years ago

I'm a wedding photographer and would never bring my camera to a friends' wedding :'D I sure hope I don't get invited just because I am a photographer.

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Tish Christian
Community Member
5 years ago

This is BS

Doris M
Community Member
5 years ago

I agree with the comments that it's about about the photography. Hell, of course I want wedding photographers to make their dough. But people put so much pressure on themselves to have perfect photos that it's pathetic. I went to about 50 weddings in my 20s and 30s (i won't even go into the second and third and fourth marriages I went to in my 40s) and all I can say is that I have exactly 18 photos from my parent's wedding in 1972 and they were all taken with a boring Kodak and not a single 8x10. When you have those few images instead of 100 or more and they was just happiness in every shot, not planned not posed, you feel like a million bucks. Sure, get them professionally done, I think if you have the money it's nice. I got married and had normal photos with a semi-professional photographer who was a family friend and we were happy; no need for Cartier-Bresson finishing. I feel like a sh*t also saying- every high priced super expensive wedding I went to: they are all divorced.

Doris M
Community Member
5 years ago

I couldn't edit this after my comment but, my first sentence- what I meant to say is, it's NOT about the photography. :) I

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Lister
Community Member
5 years ago

Wow, did the guests take those photos with a potato? I feel like cell phones these days do a little better than this. And i kind of feel like this is a photographer trying to keep up business by contrasting with potato pics.

Michele Henderson
Community Member
5 years ago

The cost of weddings is completely out of hand. Sadly, people hardly blink an eye at spending huge amounts on engraved napkins but then they want to cut costs by using friends and family to do the professional services like photography, music, the cake. Either way, professional or amateur, you could have results you love or results you'll regret. Sadly, there's no guarantee. We were married in 2007 and DID use a professional photographer, who happened to be a family member. His pictures were technically beautiful, but they all look so still and formal and very old fashioned poses. During the photo session, I would say I wanted a picture of all of us doing this or that in casual and fun poses and he just didn't want to do it, snapping a quick pick to make me happy. Meanwhile, our friends and family snapped away on their own cameras. So, we had back to back comparisons of the same poses and the differences were too minimal to even notice. The amateurs shots were gorgeous too!

Wezbie
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't understand why everyone is so mad about getting nice wedding photos in the comments section... I got married a year ago and I am so grateful that we had a photographer and videographer. At the time, we weren't sure we needed the videographer but someone said that not having one was their only regret from their wedding. Looking back on it now, I am so so happy that we did. Out of all the expenses, these were some of the most worthwhile. Memories are precious but even a month after, I'd forgotten details and now it is lovely to look back at the most special day of our lives. It was nice to see photos and videos of our favourite people having a great time (you'll know that as a bride you don't get to speak to everyone for a long period) and the day absolutely flies by. I love the thought that I will be able to show these to our kids and grandkids one day as a bit of their history. It is likewise wonderful to me to look at a video of my grandparents dancing at my wedding.

.gas.
Community Member
5 years ago

You can re-create any of these photos with a cell phone and a few filters. Wedding photogs get over yourselves.

Chris Causey
Community Member
5 years ago

Promoted by a wedding photographer. Typical.

Karen Braunsdorf
Community Member
5 years ago

I didn't have a pro 24 years ago. Just friends and family who took 15 - 24 exposes disposable cameras and filled them with wonderful pics that no pro would ever get. Those are the memories i want, not me and my spouse standing in some nameless field looking unnatural.

Marioara Popescu
Community Member
5 years ago

If the photographs is all you have left, better stay single.

MG Bee
Community Member
5 years ago

The professional's photos are beautiful but I think the ones taken by the guests make the moments seem more real and spontaneous and show the character of the people more. They're more fun to look at anyway!

Wesley Rainey
Community Member
5 years ago

Man, how did people remember weddings before photography? I mean shit... how are we even still alive if the cavemen didnt have the proper megapixels ?????

pakuka
Community Member
2 years ago

Wesley Rainey no

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Layla
Community Member
3 years ago

I agree with OP here: Photos are important. I'd totally downgrade on the wedding dress or on the food or some other fancy display to get some nice photographs. Because those details will be forgotten in the long run, but I'll still be looking at the photos years later.

Carol Wolters
Community Member
5 years ago

The photographer is right. I have sold bridal gowns for decades, I am NOT in the photography busiess. Get the best photographer AND perhaps a videographer too if you wish. Do NOT skimp on a professional photographer. As he said, afterwards all you have are photos & your gown in a bag. You cannot recreate your wedding.

Lee Scott
Community Member
5 years ago

I remember a wedding where the couple bought a couple hundred disposable cameras and distributed them to all the guests to take pictures during the reception. At the end, as you left, you just tossed the camera into a large bin with all the others. I imagine they got some good pictures, but, wow, they probably got tons of crap too. A pro would have been a lot cheaper, I'll bet.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

Alot of people only think of the cost and don't consider the convenience. Average photographer probably take 1800 photos weeds out and edits 600 best ones and gives you bound album of very best shots zero work on your part.

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Jeffrey Deston
Community Member
5 years ago

Since the marriage realistically only has a 50% chance of actually not ending up in divorce, that means there is a 50% chance you will be throwing away all the photos. Spend the money on the other things.

mann70
Community Member
2 years ago

Jeffrey Deston like

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Amanda Haley
Community Member
5 years ago

I wasn't planning on having a photographer, but our parents want updated, nice family photos because it isn't everyday that we are all in the same place. Not just my parents and sister, but Aunts, uncles, cousins etc. We have busy lives and live all over. It has been over 10 years since my fathers side of the family has had a family photo taken. I also had mentioned that my guests could take photos, but I don't want anyone to feel obligated to, and they are my guests so they should enjoy the day, and not watch it through a lens. So I found a professional who my fiance and I were comfortable with and I am happy that I did. My wedding is also not expensive at all, at least compared to what is normal these days. Everything will be paid for by the end of my wedding day.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

Most sane comment I've read here

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NWB
Community Member
5 years ago

After all is said and done on wedding day what do you have left? Photos and rings, spend the money on the memories, dont go crazy budget wise, but I guess I just love having all those photos to look back on and all over my wall.

Lisa Johnson
Community Member
5 years ago

Weddings can be ridiculously expensive. And for what...one day?! By having your guests take pics, you get to experience the day through their eyes. It makes it more personal, too, I think.

dr156
Community Member
2 years ago

Lisa Johnson +

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Glass Studio Print Stukla
Community Member
5 years ago

Didn't get the idea WHY photos matter more if there are made by a pro or with a 2MB phone....

Marysia Jawłowska
Community Member
5 years ago

If all that is left today are the photos, that's kind of sad. I agree that if you care about having high-quality photos, you ought to hire a professional but don't just take it for granted that wedding photos are something of universal value and every human being needs them. Plenty of people don't need a wedding in the first place.

Michelle Bates
Community Member
5 years ago

Actually all you have left is the marriage. 9 years and counting...

vernier-benoit
Community Member
2 years ago

Michelle Bates Good response!

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Jessica Sparks
Community Member
5 years ago

I am pretty sure you still have eachother left not just the photos. Also, when you are both dead the majority of your photos will probably just be thrown away. Sad truth. This is a bad article with annoyingly stupid advice to splurge with money that should be invested in the future, not the past.

seo_10
Community Member
2 years ago

Jessica Sparks Good response!

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Viktor Zsigrai
Community Member
2 years ago

also dont forget phonecameras are way better than 5-10 years before digital cameras

sasch-gromow2015
Community Member
2 years ago

Viktor Zsigrai good

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Viktor Zsigrai
Community Member
2 years ago

you want to remember for the moment the participants will remeber of grainy pictures too who werent participants of a wedding they wont feel better by master photoghraps if you want really special then hire an artist, give a picture then an artist can paint something unique, no camera can capture

Nanette Wilson
Community Member
3 years ago

We hired a photographer and it was the biggest waste of money we spent!! She took terrible pictures...first off she was more than 2 hours late, off centered, horrible lighting, not 1 picture of the bride and groom together other than a couple kissing pictures. It was awful!

xpunkcatx
Community Member
2 years ago

Nanette Wilson good

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NaveenKumar Dezvolta
Community Member
4 years ago

That's really a good set of wedding photographs and without them your wedding event wouldn't be complete because wedding is a part of our life which happens only once in our life time so that we have to save those memories by hiring a professional wedding photographer - https://bhalajephotography.com/

Marylin Serrano Giron
Community Member
5 years ago

yep...a lot forget that the pictures stay with you forever, separate from the lovely memories of course...frankgiron.com

bidabazz
Community Member
2 years ago

Marylin Serrano Giron haha

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catherine waite
Community Member
5 years ago

Dose it matter what other people choose to do. The cost of hiring a photographer might be too much for some people. So should they be told that they should. No. My friend did not have a wedding photographer and she got some great images. It the persons choice

Jespren Ray
Community Member
5 years ago

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Myself (with the exception of one or two really color skewed ones) I throughly enjoy the amateur photos. I'd want (and have) an album of them over the staged 'perfect' pictures. My grandfather and uncle took the majority of the pictures at my wedding (neither a professional) and we have both truly beautiful shots, classic sepia and black and white, tenderly posed, and mistakes that make us laugh and remember the details that would otherwise get eclipsed over the years. The one time I could say I would want to get a professional, or at least a serious hobbyist, is if it wasn't an outdoor event. GIVen the outdoor lighting, the more expensive equipment is almost a necessity for shots that aren't glared out or too dark or over exposed. Even then, he majority of the album-for us- would surely be not perfect keepsakes from guests and family members capturing the little moments that make up good memories.

Jespren Ray
Community Member
5 years ago

Was an outdoor, not wasn't.

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tiagoobin
Community Member
5 years ago

I think those photos taken by guests are funny, nice and REAL. They are sure fun to watch after years have passed :D but sure, I'm glad they also had a professional photographer.

M
Community Member
5 years ago

The professional photo's are beautiful. But I like the other ones better because the seem more spontaneous and not so staged.

Joe Richard
Community Member
5 years ago

Yous just got M. Night Shyamalan'd

Dave Nesbitt
Community Member
5 years ago

and your spouse I presume?

Tipa Africas
Community Member
5 years ago

I'd advise people to hire student photographers or young people in training who need experience but still have skill. they'll usually do it for free or for food and drink or just a small fee at most because they'll be seeking to build their portfolios too!

r-c-rausch
Community Member
2 years ago

Tipa Africas ?

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Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

I love all the comments from people proud they got their friends to work for free. I have a buddy thats an auto mechanic, I don't invite him over to repair my car for free. Even if they offer to do it free i decline because I respect them.

LilicatUK
Community Member
5 years ago

But the shots taken by the guests are more meaningful, taken by people who know and care about them, also I'm 100% sure at least one guest could take great shots given or allowed to take a good camera, even on a mobile. Professional photos are nice of course but the photographer is there for the money only.

Mike Chin
Community Member
5 years ago

by that logic why hire professional caterers or baker to make the cake? Wedding dress should be made by hand too. Tell the bridal party to sweep the floors afterwards. What if the couple sees a professional photographer as a facilitator so the stress of taking photos isn't on the guest? Group photos can be taken without excluding one person or searching out someone to hold the camera. Many photographers offer photobooths, effortless way to take great photos and instant momento for the guests.

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Roberta Blanton
Community Member
5 years ago

“All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos” Really? Not your wife or your marriage itself? Sorry, but this has still not changedy mind on saving money on photographers. Even those pictures that were poor quality were taken out of love by special people and show more emotion than those fake looking photographer pics.

Tessa Heffels
Community Member
5 years ago

I think the photos taken by the guests are more special. The quality might not be as good, but I expected way worse! Those people know you and the pictures are even more personal to me.

Jace
Community Member
5 years ago

Also, vote up for showing that experts have value beyond saving a buck. Seriously, the anti-intellectualism and the death of expertise these last ten years... sad culture.

Jace
Community Member
5 years ago

"All that's left today are the photos"... and, i would hope, their relationship...???!

Cathy Scriven-Williams
Community Member
5 years ago

We have two photo albums; the professional one and one made up of photos that the guests took. The professional ones look great but the others are fun. They show an older male guest wearing my veil, the little kids playing and our neices rushing to give my husband a hug. Don't get me wrong, the profession took some great photos and kept everything running smoothly but they aren't the only good pics and this article seems a little sneery towards the alternatives.

Gabriel Goh
Community Member
5 years ago

This is the saddest thing I read from the above: “All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos”.

Caroline In't Veld
Community Member
5 years ago

We hired a photographer. She was terrible! We ended up making suggestions like, 'should you maybe take more then one photo of all the guests and ourselves?' 'Won't we have dappled sunlight on us in this setting? (of course we did :( ) My husband's head is half purple in most of the shots. I could go on and on in how horrendous she was! Added insult, I kept requesting the photo's- she said she was still 'editing' them. She eventually told me she'd sent them by registered post with a bonus 'gift'. A week later, no photo's- finally months later she sent them to me- via Facebook. Only 'editing' - 2 photo's were changed to black and white. Luckily out wedding guests had a couple of nice 'snaps' .

rongladney
Community Member
2 years ago

Caroline In't Veld yes

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Beverly Hasegawa
Community Member
5 years ago

Yes, quite the contrast: Now they look like everyone else's wedding photos, all prettified and every scrap of individuality gone.

Adam Warlock
Community Member
5 years ago

Yes, quite the contrast. The first are genuine fun photos that capture the feeling, the photographed ones are sort of when you photoshop into a knight's armor

Stephanie Burton
Community Member
5 years ago

This is such bs, we had no wedding photographer and you know what we did have instead? A fucking fabulous time, thank you very much

Luke Kupinas
Community Member
5 years ago

"All I know from the experience of getting married is that all that is left today is the photos" So I take it that means the marriage didn't last long?

rebelde45
Community Member
2 years ago

Luke Kupinas -

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peri
Community Member
5 years ago

I don't see anything wrong with the pictures that the guests shot.

Katinka Min
Community Member
5 years ago

Maybe it's just me, but I like the first set, too. Having to take out a chunk of time for pics or actually stage the whole thing on a different day is also stressful.

Aimee Guzman-Jones
Community Member