Person Shows The World How To Respond To Anti-Abortionists If They Call You A ‘Murderer’
Abortion is a divisive topic, something that we’ve covered exhaustively here at Bored Panda. It is one of those things that people will never be able to really agree on. The chances of one ‘side’ changing their minds and being convinced by the arguments of the other are incredibly slim.
Still, there are effective and respectful ways of making your point about unwanted pregnancies, and anonymously contacting a person to call them a murderer is not one of them. Neither is camping out in front of Planned Parenthood to shout anti-abortion abuse at women getting check-ups.
This exchange, originally shared by the Insufferably Intolerant Science Nerd shows two vastly different methods of stating one’s position on abortion laws and ethics; we will leave it up to you to decide which is the most effective. If nothing else, the reasoned, thorough pro-abortion response perfectly puts into words what many people feel about so-called ‘pro-lifers’ and completely confounds the unsolicited, abusive accusations. Perhaps it could be one of the best comebacks to try if you ever find yourself harangued by placard-waving nutjobs at your local sexual health clinic?
Here’s what people had to say about the testy exchange
"Pro-lifers" are not really pro-life. They're pro-birth. Whatever it takes to control women.
Call them what they are, and they are gestation slavers. All they want is to control and punish women.
Load More Replies...Pro-life people are scary. Some of them actually attack people who perform abortions, doctors and patients. how is that Pro life? Does pro life care about children when they are already born but not wanted for any reason at all (isn't there too many people in the world already? We are overpopulated!). Do they care about life of children who are born, wanted but sick or poor? Do they donate? Also, if they are so so so for life, do they respect every life? Every cat, puppy, spider, tree, every plant, in general living creatures? Or their lives don't matter, just human, and by that I mean humans who aren't even born yet. Becaise those that are born obviously don't matter.
Pro-life is less about saving babies, and more about controlling women. I've noticed that once the baby is born, the pro-lifers suddenly lose all interest.
Load More Replies...I am pro choice. I don’t like abortion, and here’s the but, but it has been around since women started having babies. In some cultures, yes even today, a pregnancy is carried out then the unwanted child is either killed or exposed to the elements to die. Yes there are some pro life places that give a pregnant woman support. The problem is we don’t hear about them and they are too few we too little support. I don’t believe in abortion being just another birth control method for that wild night you didn’t use protection. If you think of abortion like that you need to look for better birth control or even a permanent solution if you don’t want children. I would a woman had a safe place to terminate a pregnancy. Most women are not murderers and to scream that at women is beyond words. I weep for the society that doesn’t care for the young it forces women to bear.
I really doubt anyone likes having an abortion in the same way no one likes having to go through open heart surgery but sometimes you have to do s**t you don't like for a better future.
Load More Replies...And about that last line of the intro ("Perhaps it could be something to try if you ever find yourself harangued by placard-waving nutjobs at your local sexual health clinic?"), in my experience as a patient escort at my local 'sexual health clinic' (which is so much more than that, BTW), there's nothing you can say to get through to the 'placard-waving nutjobs'. What really pisses them off, though, is laughing at them. Drives 'em up the freakin' wall!
I plan on being a patient escort and this is great to know! I can laugh at idiots all day and go home happy. Any other 'drive them up the wall' tips you have, let us know!
Load More Replies...Conservatives: If you're pre-born you're good. If you're pre-school you're f****d. -George Carlin
Planned Parenthood is 99% women's health, including birth control. A very tiny number of PP clinics perform abortions.
It's amazing how a comment that's literally just stating facts can still get such a harsh reply from some people. There isn't even anything in Susan's comment saying what she believes as far as abortion goes. "John Smith" apparently wants everyone to stop using the name of the procedure in favor of using inflammatory descriptions instead. Because if there's anything that discussions about abortion need it's more anger and harsh words, they've apparently been too civil.
Load More Replies...For me I’ve never understood how a majority of pro-life people are also pro death penalty. They want you to have this child, usually no matter the circumstances. Then go on to welfare, not always, but you get my point. Raise a child in poverty, crime ridden areas, or the child finds out they were a product of rape or incest. Then that very same child acts out against society, kills someone, then they have the guts to stand outside of a prison waving signs,”saying fry the bastard, or give them the needle”. You advocate for this person’s death that you told a woman she had NO CHOICE, explain it to me, PLEASE. Pro life or pro dead.
I asked a "pro-life" person one time about how they feel about children being gunned down in schools, and their actual response was "Why should I care about that? Guns are legally protected in this country." Pro-life is the biggest lie ever.
Load More Replies...Evangelicals: pulling our country back to the 14th century year by year. Honestly, prolifers/evangelicals need to get a hobby.
They need to mind their own dang business instead of trying to foist their chosen ignorance on everyone.
Load More Replies...I know I'm going to get down-voted for even asking this. If someone were pro-life, but also adopted and cared for children after birth, would you take their argument seriously? I'm really wanting to know and get an informative answer.
The problem is not being pro-life or arguing for being pro-life. The problem is attacking people who don't share the same beliefs. If someone came up to me and claimed to be as you describe I would consider their argument a valid and reasonable one because they're not a hypocrite. But it might not change my own opinion on the subject and if you tried to shove it down my throat I would be angry. Asking a woman who doesn't want to go through pregnancy is a lot because of the strain it puts on the body, the medical costs (in the US) and perhaps having to take time off work. It's not just about what happens after birth. Furthermore, if the woman became pregnant due to rape, you can only imagine how that might influence the healing process for her. I think it's fine to discuss things, express your opinions with good arguments, but you also have to accept that people might not agree despite it.
Load More Replies...More sex education in school, more birth controll to everyone, more the day after pills for free, demand more responsibillity from men and free abortion to who ever wants it! No politicians and other rabid idiots should be allowed to stop a woman from deciding what to do with her own body, and as long as she hasn't given birth it's her dessision, IT. IS. HER. BODY!
And that is why they are not pro life at all, only pro birth. They don’t give a s**t what happens once a child is born only the fact that it’s born in the first place. I know that if my mum aborted me I wouldn’t care because guess what I wouldn’t know any different. Does anyone remember being in their mums uterus??
Call them what they are. They're gestation slavers.
Load More Replies...I a product of an unwanted pregnancy, my grandparents practically force my mother to marry because they didn't want a single mother in the family. My parents were miserable together my early memories are of them fiscally fighting then my father left and my mother become bitter she hate me , she was resentful with me because she she me as the cause of her misery. she beat me almost every day and I was rape at 6 as a result of her neglect, I told her and she didn't believe me. She never love me . YOU CANT FORCE A WOMAN TO LOVE AN UNWANTED CHILD PERIOD
You poor girl. It’s not your fault the awful things that have happened to you. Be kind to yourself and learn as quickly as you an to me financially independent, then get out and live a good life for yourself. You deserve the best. Sending you love and hugs xx
Load More Replies...Being "pro-choice" does not make you "pro-abortion". It simply means you have the intelligence to understand that you have NO F*****G RIGHT to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with HER OWN F*****G BODY. Not everyone was raised in your constrictive, male domineering "private enclave" with Dad and his 11 "Sister Wives". So shut the f**k up, you stupid c**t.
NO one else - INCLUDING THE SPERM DONOR - has ANY standing to do other than support the pregnant woman's decisions. SHE is the ONLY one who will bear the substantial risks and hazards. HER CHOICE. If you don't approve of abortion, then: don't have one, or keep it in your pants, as applicable. And no, the fetus is NOT a "person, until it is independent of its mom. To deny a women agency over her body and decisions is to render her a slave. This is what is immoral.
OPPOSING ABORTION PERPETUATES POVERTY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The anti-abortion argument has never been about ABORTION, but about WHO GETS TO CHOOSE ABORTION. Wealthy people have always had the option. Take away the right to safe, legal abortion and those impacted first and foremost are people who aren't wealthy/
As I say when I run the gauntlet at Planned Parenthood whenever i Have an exam: "Stay out of my uterus and I'll stay out of your face". I've seen the same people waving pro-life signs as I've seen waving pro-death-penalty signs. Nuff said, IMO.
This is no counter response to this persons point of view. She absolutely nailed it.
What I don't understand about pro-life is that it puts the unborn ahead of the already established life. So how can they be pro-life? They are literally putting the unborn ahead of the life of the one who already exists.
If you are PRO life, like we all should be, start protesting the US, KSA, Israeli, and NATO countries' governments against their ongoing war efforts. I walked (and got beaten up by police) against the Vietnam war. Did YOU walk in protest against wars for the industrial military complex?! Or do you rather engage in keyboard loud mouthing? Pro life starts protecting those ALIVE at this moment. Those not yet born are the another issue, so offer adoption instead of loud mouthing before you know the circumstances. Most women do not chose abortion for fun.
"Pro-life" people are hypocrites who like to play God, and that is always dangerous. I guess, their motto is, "suffer little children", other people's children that is, not their own. They are not concerned about human overpopulation, they say natural disasters and wars will take care of it. How repulsive!!
Ahh yes the pro child and pro crime and also pro harassment have come to bother someone minding their own f*****g business Willing to bet the idiot is christian too
Add to that those women whose lives are at risk with pregnancy. It boggles the mind that anyone besides the woman involved, thinks they have a say! Sanctimonious cretins.
Maybe they should change their name to, 'Pro-birth,' since that is the be all and end all of their concern for the foetus or the parents.
Pro-life really does end at birth! If it didn't then all these people would be very upset by all the children already in the world! The border "camps" would be shut down, like they need to be! But pro-lifers don't actually care about children, only fetuses!
The pro-life view is compassionate and reasonable, however, banning abortion could never be the wise and correct solution. In order to eradicate or reduce abortions, a monumental deal of work would need to be done, the world would need to change drastically, guilt tripping and shock tactics are foolish and wrong.
When cismen have the ability to have a uterus they can decide for themselves. My body, my choice.
He's right you know, she is a murderer. She just murdered him with her logic :)
When they start lining up to adopt these children...then and only then should they get the right to say anything.
The most fun part of this topic is that, at least in tge U.S., pro-lifers are normally pro-guns, anti-healthcare, pro-death-penalty... So basically is not that they are really pro-life, they are pro-shittier-world.
Many years ago, during a really bad mental health crisis, I got pregnant. The logical me was screaming "STOP!! You know what's going to happen!" But the mentally broken me was saying "You deserve a moment of happiness". He was my ex and the father of my 5 year old (who was staying with my mom until I found a stable living arrangement). By the time I realized I was pregnant, I had found a room for rent and was off the street and starting the process of rebuilding my life. I get HORRIBLE morning sickness and it was so bad I couldn't keep anything down. I wound up in the ER 3 times in 2 weeks. The last time I was hallucinating because of dehydration. I had an appointment to terminate the pregnancy but I still had my 5 year old to care for. The doctor came in and when he learned I wasn't keeping the pregnancy, he starts this sob story about how he and his wife ALWAYS wanted kids but then she hit menopause during fertility treatment and how I should consider adoption. I was pissed. He didn't give two shits about my 5 year old, sitting next to me. The 5 year old who had to partially fend for himself because I was too weak and too sick to stand up. He didn't care that my 5 year old thought I was going to die as they gave me fluids and medications to stop me from throwing up. No. He didn't care about this EXISTING life. Only about the one that was endangering my life. I KNEW better but in that moment, I wasn't me. Pregnancy and abortion is NO ONE's business but the woman and her doctor.
"Abortion shouldn't be banned, it shouldn't be needed." OMG. Forget that this person claims his/her English skills are lacking. THAT'S the pro-choice stance in one beautiful, perfect nutshell, as far as I am concerned.
Men need to keep their pants on too, and the damn scientific community still consisting primarily of men needs to create a birth control pill for men to take. Reminders that spontaneous, romantic runaway sexual congress can lead to children. Grow a pair and use extra care!
I had miscarriage just after i had a whole heap of untrue insults thrown at me by a family member. Was so angry. Should i call that a*****e a murderer and get her charged. She killed my baby lolol wasnt meant to be is simple answer. But what if was those insults raising my anger levels that caused that. And maybe that was family member was anti abortion. The hypocrisy of that kills me. When through her sick, insulting, untrue words she killed my baby. Certainly how it felt on the day i can tell u. But i just turned it around in my head so didnt hunt her down and kill her and said to self it just wasnt meant to be. I have my son and he wasnt planned but im thankful. But...i would have been just as happy not having a child to bring into this crazy dying world we live in. Full of perverts, narcissists, sociapaths, psychopaths. Wearing masks like pope hats, letters after names. Police hats, drs hats, teachers hats. Uncle hats, aunty hats. Sick world we live in peops and only gettin worse
Glad Mikes gone, what a pleb 🙄so many other problems in the world and too many people. Cant even b bothered to get into this. But these dumb a*s control freaks who shove their ideas down others throats ....how do they support themselves when spend all day doin just that, every day. Bloody sad, foster kids if wanna make a difference.
I'm pro life for myself what people do with their own body will ultimately be between them and god while I really don't like abortion especially late term abortion I'm not going to sit and argue with someone who has their mind made up that I'm the bad guy for believing any innocent creature with a heartbeat deserves to be loved. If I had the means to do all the things that this person listed I would but unfortunately I'm not bill gates and just because I believe in something different than them does not mean that I'm expecting everyone to take on my views because I think there is no right or winning in this situation every option sucks. Every opinion is stomping on another and they are all relevant to each individual. It's a stay in your own lane and space situation
Late term abortions are not common. The mothers that go through that are either very young (they might not even have had their first period), old (they thought it was menopause), battered women and where the fetus is sick/deformed. It's not a matter of using it as a contreception. :)
Load More Replies...No one is in favor of abortion, no one! But in some cases it is the only answer. I 've said it before: If men got pregnant birth control would come in the mail, free, each month to each and every man on the planet! Seven-hundred kids go into foster care a day, A DAY! Pay attention people. We need control over our lives cuz sometimes we make mistakes.
How about this: we have the medical technology to inplant early embryos, so why not transplant them? The pro-life movement can provide the money to pay the medical costs, hire surrogates to gestate them, and take responsibility for the babies. No more medically unnecessary abortions, hurrah!
What if we all let women decide whether or not they go through nine months of pregnancy and then labor when there is a perfectly safe way to choose not to go through that. Okay? Okay cool.
My school has a pro-life club that raises money and helps to buy necessities e.g. diapers for struggling mothers that decided not to get an abortion. Abortion is a really hard thing for these ladies to go through and the circumstances that push most ladies to get them are pretty bad. So it's wrong to discriminate against them. abortion is unideal. So what we do is try to help the ladies so that some won't get abortions anymore and can raise their children. That's real pro-life. People that discriminate against the women and not try to do anything to help them are pro-hate and give the real pro-lifers a bad name. I think more schools should do this as it's lots of fun and helps teach us more about how the real world works and what it means to be a decent person
Yes! Speak the truth! Real pro-lifers have no interest in controlling women! We just want to save the children!
Load More Replies...'If you're pre-born you're fine, if you're pre-school you're f****d'.
The pro life argument is never about protecting life. It about sitting in your smug life with smug opinions and forcing your warped believes on others. I’ve said for many years if you made each protester responsible for the child they profess they want to save you would have a lot less protesters and might find solutions instead. But you always get the staid response of its not my problem.....oh but it is and it is a world problem....tell what do you think of the world population at 7.7 billion people and rising.....when do you think us overbreeding rats will sink the ship called earth....it will happen only a matter of time.
I am totally pro-choice. I understand being pregnant doesn’t just involve one person - baby - father. Death of baby. Father having no choice in the matter. However you have to consider, when does a fetus really have a soul, when is it really a person? No matter what anyone thinks, nobody really knows. There may not really be a death if a human here. Men need to take more responsibility for pregnancy in the first place. It comes down to only the women can possibly make the choice here, and it is not an easy one.
Tell ya what, when you can take the parasite (it HAS to have a host to live and thrive, hence parasite) out of a woman at just a few days/weeks into a pregnancy, and it can live and breathe on its own, THEN, and ONLY then, is it a baby! It is MY choice what to do with MY body! It is NOT a decision for the government to make... And it NEVER should be!!!
Personally I would never have an abortion unless medically necessary but that doesn't mean I am against women having the right to get an abortion for whatever they deem necessary. I can't judge others reasons and it annoys me about pro-lifers. I am and always will be pro-choice that is why I hate some of these new laws.
does that mean when i j*****f,i have killed millions of my future kids ????
someone posted this below and it needs repeating: “The habits of liberals, their automatic language, their knee-jerk responses to certain issues, deserved the epithets the right wing stuck them with. I'd see how true they often were. Here they were, banding together in packs, so I could predict what they were going to say about some event or conflict and it wasn't even out of their mouths yet. I was very uncomfortable with that. Liberal orthodoxy was as repugnant to me as conservative orthodoxy.” ...George Carlin
"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to f**k in the first place, man?" - George Carlin (If you want to keep playing the 'Quote George Carlin' game, you're gonna lose, I fear)
Load More Replies...Yes it is the parents' responsibility. Which is why abortion is also the parent's (and doctor's) decision, not yours!
Require a world wide vasectomy at birth. Vasectomy reversal is not necessary to make a child. A needle can get the semen out and IVF isn't necessary either. Just squirt the semen, extracted from the testes, into the vagina around the time of ovulation. That way no pregnancy will ever be accidental or unplanned. Alternatively, take the DNA of everyone on the planet and if a woman is forced to have a child, find the father. Make the father raise the child while under the scrutiny of Children's Services.
I dont see how the pro-choice/pro abortion part responded to the other one, more than being overly aggresive and with a certain level of poor porr dialectic. the second one is wrong, but the first one just showed the exact same pattern of extremist behaviour the first on blame , in short words this is a good example of the very low levels of respect both sides display, and on the other hand the reply is only bassed on opinions not in data, so both side are disgusting
I dont see how the pro-choice/pro abortion part responded to the other one, more than being overly aggresive and with a certain level of poor porr dialectic. the second one is wrong, but the first one just showed the exact same pattern of extremist behaviour the first on blame , in short words this is a good example of the very low levels of respect both sides display, and on the other hand the reply is only bassed on opinions not in data, so both side are disgusting
Curiously 'natural' abortions far outnumber induced abortions, however you never hear the pro-life brigade criticizing God for murdering the unborn. Wonder why? Oh and what about the tens of thousands of under three year old children that die of starvation caused by their God through his negligence or from the diseases that their God created. Hmm, God most certainly doesn't appear to be Pro-Life in any respect.
I will always fight for My right to Choose! the Hypocrisy of the Anti-Women, "Pro-Life" bull always gets me steaming mad
Planned Parenthood was the first medical facility I went to that successfully diagnosed and treated my severe depression. Had I not been able to get that care, I truly don’t believe I would be here today.
Wow.. I suffer way way too much mentally from terrible depression & personality disorders to handle someone calling me a murderer because I can't care for myself let alone a child. I have zero support from family because they're dead. This world is something. Does it matter though your damned if you do & damned if you don't over anything. Best thing is be thankful your not the person pointing and screaming calling someone a murderer like that. Just because it's illegal in a few US states doesn't make it a terrible thing when the whole rest of the world supports it.
This is from the CDC website regarding pregnancy related deaths in the United States. A woman should not be forced to risk her life to carry a child she doesn’t want. “The death of a woman during pregnancy, at delivery, or soon after delivery is a tragedy for her family and for society as a whole. Sadly, about 700 women die each year in the United States as a result of pregnancy or delivery complications. During pregnancy, a woman’s body goes through many changes. These changes are entirely normal, but may become very important in case there are complications or problems. A pregnancy-related death is defined as the death of a woman during pregnancy or within one year of the end of pregnancy from a pregnancy complication, a chain of events initiated by pregnancy, or the aggravation of an unrelated condition by the physiologic effects of pregnancy.“
Love it! Picket abortion clinics with those words! Signs that say "What Next U IDIOTS?"
I was adopted because my mother could not raise me herself. I have the most amazing parents ever.
The person who got me pregnant told me was seperated from wife but the lying fk forgot to tell wife and my son got a dysfunctional compulsive liar for a father who drinks too much and still fkn life up on drugs at 50. Lost $100k year job last year. Lost licence again last year, then chose to drive again with no licence three times caught drink drivin again, drug drivin again, the drivin again. Can i give him the green dream cos at 50 hes fkd n never ever gonna change. S**t role model. S**t father. Stuck with it for nutha 6 years 🙄
For your consideration: This article is obfuscating to the common folk on the facts about the genocidal agenda of the founder of Planned Parenthood and the Nazi propagandist whom schooled her on how to present a more attractive presentation on terminating the melanated humans and those others who they considered unworthy to exist. When she first introduced her racist views and opinions and solution she was soundly rejected by the masses of humanity. Notuntil the NAZIS convinced her to disguise it as something that was good an attractive for themselves, did it began to be accepted into mainstream consideration to become what it is today, riddled in death and the destruction pf all mankind. The main stream media will never allow these truths to be told, as they are all owned by the wicked that help plan the demise of humanity. Peace
For your consideration: This article does not change the fact that abortions are a racist attack on melanated Humanity. Margaret Singer was the founder Planned Parenthood, when she first presented her planned genocide of all non-white and other humans she considered inferior, her plans were soundly rejected by the masses, that is until she consulted with the NAZIS that suggested she make it seem like something good for the humanity she desired to exterminate. Now what you did with this article did accomplish one thing, added to the misdirection of the truth. I agree people do not deserve to be attacked at abortion clinics, but the main stream media refuses to reveal the truth of Margaret Sanger and her racist agenda. Peace
All have sinned and come short of being considered of good substance, be considerate of whomever you sleep with on purpose and too others whom had such disclosure taken from by advantage of non-agreed body contact. Adoption and therapy if needed is a significant gesture because you don't want such on your spirituality. Some individuals desire children but not in circumstances of violations. You can apologize for some situations but not something unaware or unexpected. I think their advertising is harsh because some children can read and understand big words.
Abortion is an evil necessity but beyond 3 months i really don't think it should be legal (excluding serious illness to mother ir baby). It is cutting up a child and pulling it out. More contraceptions like morning after pill should be freely available. People still think pulling out or rhythm method works!
When you argue with an idiot, who's really the idiot? While I've made similar rants myself on the subject, I never for a moment thought it would sink into their brains at all. They're not just ignorant, they're belligerently and willfully ignorant. God himself could come down and try to educate them and they'd still shake their head and give a one sentence retort like a zombie saying, "Braaaiiiinnnnsss". They can't be educated. And it's depressing that so many like them exist.
They're not pro-lifers, they're pro-ignorance. I want to put them all on a rocket to the sun.
Load More Replies...Have these holy sh*ts adopted all the children out of orphanages, taken the severely mentally r******d off their parents' hands and quit their jobs to care for them, adopt children and the children's children born of incest and thereby ensure that they are safe and will no longer be raped, and most importantly, will they give up their lives for the life that they will take when the mother dies from the pregnancy they forced her to have?
A subsequent problem in no way mitigates the first problem. For example, not knowing what do "next" with homeless people in no way makes the killing of homeless people acceptable.
Load More Replies...I always thought I was against it until I was older and had kids and understood the immense responsibility having them was. I wanted kids but it took my 6 years and fertility meds but I ended up having 3 healthy pregnancies. I cannot imagine some women who does not want or cannot have a child ending up pregnant and then forced to carry it and deliver and raise or give it up. I wanted my children and the challenges can be `overwhelming and they are now adults but the worry never ends. I tell all my friends that if and when you have children be prepared to spend 24 hours a day thinking and worrying for the rest of your lives, this mother does!!
Both of my kids are adopted from foster care and anytime someone starts spouting pro-life c**p, I ask them how many kids have they adopted. When I was trying to get pregnant and couldn't, I was so upset that people were aborting babies when I couldn't conceive. But that was just an emotional overreaction.
i dont like abortion, but i could see why people need it; no money, cant care for it, etc. no reason to call people murderers, tho
When the child is born with horrible deformities, who is going to pay for his lifetime of care? Because, remember, US parents will have to fight with insurance for every. Single. Procedure. When the parents' marriage falls apart because of the inordinate stress of having a chronically severely ill child, are you going to chastise the parents for their "sin" of divorce? As the OP and others have said here, if you really hate abortion, then MAKE BIRTH CONTROL OBTAINABLE!
Look at the statistics for adoption etc and you will see it isn’t rainbows and unicorns and is very complicated. Adoption is not always the best option. Also most abortions are done with just medication to create a miscarriage. You are describing an over the top version late term abortions which is less than 6% of abortions and usually done because the pregnancy is a risk to the mother’s life or the fetus is severely deformed and incompatible with life. Medication is also give then to create a numbing effect so the foetus feels nothing and dies before the extraction. Which sometimes yes does crush the skull. But there is no pain involved to the fetus.
Load More Replies...No. Literally everything you just said about Planned Parenthood and abortion methods is a lie. You don't have a friend Amanda, and she didn't work for PP. When the vast majority of abortions occur, a fetus is in the very beginning stages of development. There aren't limbs to be torn out. Also, a fetus needs to be in the womb to survive, so once it's out, it can't "suffocate" because it's already lost whatever life it had. I implore you to look up the developmental stages of a fetus so you can see how much of a liar, and just how wrong you are. This is the problem with you "pro-life" a******s. You HATE facts and use emotional manipulation and lies to try and control women's bodies.
Load More Replies...it is not "pro-abortion". it is pro-choice. that means that every woman has the right to CHOOSE for her own body whether or not to get an abortion. she can choose to not get an abortion, or she can choose to get one. the problem with imbeciles like YOU is that you are telling other people what to do with their own bodies. oh, and, ever heard of rape? it isn't as simple as "use a condom".
Load More Replies...Your ignorance is shocking. Not every woman that chooses abortion is irresponsible or getting rid of a mistake or any number of things that narrow minded people have claimed. Many are married with children and not ready or able to care for more. Many are victims of rape. Many are victims of incest. Many did use birth control and protection. Those methods are not 100% effective. It is NO ONE’S BUSINESS but their own why they choose to terminate a pregnancy. It is a medical procedure. It is between that woman and her physician to determine the best course of action for her circumstances. If the so-called “pro-life” people actually gave a c**p, instead of bullying and harassing women, they would be helping them. They would be providing alternatives and funding and guaranteeing those “babies” they’re saving would be housed, loved and educated. But no one is guaranteeing that. They’re just shaming and abusing women for personal decisions that have nothing to do with them.
Load More Replies...Sadly it is your logic that is lacking. Look at all the statistics of children in need of adoption, look at the lack of services and people willing and able to take/adopt them all, look at the neglect and abuse that often occurs to these children, look at the statistics of risks of homelessness, addiction and crime, look at the high rates of mental health and suicide, look at the statistics of children never having a loving home, look at ALL the facts that surround the complexities of pregnancy, unwanted pregnancies, adoption, abortion etc etc. You need to look at the bigger picture. You don’t care about what happens once a child is born, you are not pro-life, so stop pretending. Tell me how many children have you adopted? how many times have you been pregnant? what services do you provide to help protect children from neglect and abuse? What services do you provide for mental illness? I could go on but I would LOVE to hear your answers. Please enlighten me with your b******t.
Load More Replies...Well then adopt, there are MILLIONS of children worldwide needing adoption and not enough people to adopt them. Why add more children to the mix. Use your logic.
Load More Replies..."Pro-lifers" are not really pro-life. They're pro-birth. Whatever it takes to control women.
Call them what they are, and they are gestation slavers. All they want is to control and punish women.
Load More Replies...Pro-life people are scary. Some of them actually attack people who perform abortions, doctors and patients. how is that Pro life? Does pro life care about children when they are already born but not wanted for any reason at all (isn't there too many people in the world already? We are overpopulated!). Do they care about life of children who are born, wanted but sick or poor? Do they donate? Also, if they are so so so for life, do they respect every life? Every cat, puppy, spider, tree, every plant, in general living creatures? Or their lives don't matter, just human, and by that I mean humans who aren't even born yet. Becaise those that are born obviously don't matter.
Pro-life is less about saving babies, and more about controlling women. I've noticed that once the baby is born, the pro-lifers suddenly lose all interest.
Load More Replies...I am pro choice. I don’t like abortion, and here’s the but, but it has been around since women started having babies. In some cultures, yes even today, a pregnancy is carried out then the unwanted child is either killed or exposed to the elements to die. Yes there are some pro life places that give a pregnant woman support. The problem is we don’t hear about them and they are too few we too little support. I don’t believe in abortion being just another birth control method for that wild night you didn’t use protection. If you think of abortion like that you need to look for better birth control or even a permanent solution if you don’t want children. I would a woman had a safe place to terminate a pregnancy. Most women are not murderers and to scream that at women is beyond words. I weep for the society that doesn’t care for the young it forces women to bear.
I really doubt anyone likes having an abortion in the same way no one likes having to go through open heart surgery but sometimes you have to do s**t you don't like for a better future.
Load More Replies...And about that last line of the intro ("Perhaps it could be something to try if you ever find yourself harangued by placard-waving nutjobs at your local sexual health clinic?"), in my experience as a patient escort at my local 'sexual health clinic' (which is so much more than that, BTW), there's nothing you can say to get through to the 'placard-waving nutjobs'. What really pisses them off, though, is laughing at them. Drives 'em up the freakin' wall!
I plan on being a patient escort and this is great to know! I can laugh at idiots all day and go home happy. Any other 'drive them up the wall' tips you have, let us know!
Load More Replies...Conservatives: If you're pre-born you're good. If you're pre-school you're f****d. -George Carlin
Planned Parenthood is 99% women's health, including birth control. A very tiny number of PP clinics perform abortions.
It's amazing how a comment that's literally just stating facts can still get such a harsh reply from some people. There isn't even anything in Susan's comment saying what she believes as far as abortion goes. "John Smith" apparently wants everyone to stop using the name of the procedure in favor of using inflammatory descriptions instead. Because if there's anything that discussions about abortion need it's more anger and harsh words, they've apparently been too civil.
Load More Replies...For me I’ve never understood how a majority of pro-life people are also pro death penalty. They want you to have this child, usually no matter the circumstances. Then go on to welfare, not always, but you get my point. Raise a child in poverty, crime ridden areas, or the child finds out they were a product of rape or incest. Then that very same child acts out against society, kills someone, then they have the guts to stand outside of a prison waving signs,”saying fry the bastard, or give them the needle”. You advocate for this person’s death that you told a woman she had NO CHOICE, explain it to me, PLEASE. Pro life or pro dead.
I asked a "pro-life" person one time about how they feel about children being gunned down in schools, and their actual response was "Why should I care about that? Guns are legally protected in this country." Pro-life is the biggest lie ever.
Load More Replies...Evangelicals: pulling our country back to the 14th century year by year. Honestly, prolifers/evangelicals need to get a hobby.
They need to mind their own dang business instead of trying to foist their chosen ignorance on everyone.
Load More Replies...I know I'm going to get down-voted for even asking this. If someone were pro-life, but also adopted and cared for children after birth, would you take their argument seriously? I'm really wanting to know and get an informative answer.
The problem is not being pro-life or arguing for being pro-life. The problem is attacking people who don't share the same beliefs. If someone came up to me and claimed to be as you describe I would consider their argument a valid and reasonable one because they're not a hypocrite. But it might not change my own opinion on the subject and if you tried to shove it down my throat I would be angry. Asking a woman who doesn't want to go through pregnancy is a lot because of the strain it puts on the body, the medical costs (in the US) and perhaps having to take time off work. It's not just about what happens after birth. Furthermore, if the woman became pregnant due to rape, you can only imagine how that might influence the healing process for her. I think it's fine to discuss things, express your opinions with good arguments, but you also have to accept that people might not agree despite it.
Load More Replies...More sex education in school, more birth controll to everyone, more the day after pills for free, demand more responsibillity from men and free abortion to who ever wants it! No politicians and other rabid idiots should be allowed to stop a woman from deciding what to do with her own body, and as long as she hasn't given birth it's her dessision, IT. IS. HER. BODY!
And that is why they are not pro life at all, only pro birth. They don’t give a s**t what happens once a child is born only the fact that it’s born in the first place. I know that if my mum aborted me I wouldn’t care because guess what I wouldn’t know any different. Does anyone remember being in their mums uterus??
Call them what they are. They're gestation slavers.
Load More Replies...I a product of an unwanted pregnancy, my grandparents practically force my mother to marry because they didn't want a single mother in the family. My parents were miserable together my early memories are of them fiscally fighting then my father left and my mother become bitter she hate me , she was resentful with me because she she me as the cause of her misery. she beat me almost every day and I was rape at 6 as a result of her neglect, I told her and she didn't believe me. She never love me . YOU CANT FORCE A WOMAN TO LOVE AN UNWANTED CHILD PERIOD
You poor girl. It’s not your fault the awful things that have happened to you. Be kind to yourself and learn as quickly as you an to me financially independent, then get out and live a good life for yourself. You deserve the best. Sending you love and hugs xx
Load More Replies...Being "pro-choice" does not make you "pro-abortion". It simply means you have the intelligence to understand that you have NO F*****G RIGHT to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with HER OWN F*****G BODY. Not everyone was raised in your constrictive, male domineering "private enclave" with Dad and his 11 "Sister Wives". So shut the f**k up, you stupid c**t.
NO one else - INCLUDING THE SPERM DONOR - has ANY standing to do other than support the pregnant woman's decisions. SHE is the ONLY one who will bear the substantial risks and hazards. HER CHOICE. If you don't approve of abortion, then: don't have one, or keep it in your pants, as applicable. And no, the fetus is NOT a "person, until it is independent of its mom. To deny a women agency over her body and decisions is to render her a slave. This is what is immoral.
OPPOSING ABORTION PERPETUATES POVERTY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The anti-abortion argument has never been about ABORTION, but about WHO GETS TO CHOOSE ABORTION. Wealthy people have always had the option. Take away the right to safe, legal abortion and those impacted first and foremost are people who aren't wealthy/
As I say when I run the gauntlet at Planned Parenthood whenever i Have an exam: "Stay out of my uterus and I'll stay out of your face". I've seen the same people waving pro-life signs as I've seen waving pro-death-penalty signs. Nuff said, IMO.
This is no counter response to this persons point of view. She absolutely nailed it.
What I don't understand about pro-life is that it puts the unborn ahead of the already established life. So how can they be pro-life? They are literally putting the unborn ahead of the life of the one who already exists.
If you are PRO life, like we all should be, start protesting the US, KSA, Israeli, and NATO countries' governments against their ongoing war efforts. I walked (and got beaten up by police) against the Vietnam war. Did YOU walk in protest against wars for the industrial military complex?! Or do you rather engage in keyboard loud mouthing? Pro life starts protecting those ALIVE at this moment. Those not yet born are the another issue, so offer adoption instead of loud mouthing before you know the circumstances. Most women do not chose abortion for fun.
"Pro-life" people are hypocrites who like to play God, and that is always dangerous. I guess, their motto is, "suffer little children", other people's children that is, not their own. They are not concerned about human overpopulation, they say natural disasters and wars will take care of it. How repulsive!!
Ahh yes the pro child and pro crime and also pro harassment have come to bother someone minding their own f*****g business Willing to bet the idiot is christian too
Add to that those women whose lives are at risk with pregnancy. It boggles the mind that anyone besides the woman involved, thinks they have a say! Sanctimonious cretins.
Maybe they should change their name to, 'Pro-birth,' since that is the be all and end all of their concern for the foetus or the parents.
Pro-life really does end at birth! If it didn't then all these people would be very upset by all the children already in the world! The border "camps" would be shut down, like they need to be! But pro-lifers don't actually care about children, only fetuses!
The pro-life view is compassionate and reasonable, however, banning abortion could never be the wise and correct solution. In order to eradicate or reduce abortions, a monumental deal of work would need to be done, the world would need to change drastically, guilt tripping and shock tactics are foolish and wrong.
When cismen have the ability to have a uterus they can decide for themselves. My body, my choice.
He's right you know, she is a murderer. She just murdered him with her logic :)
When they start lining up to adopt these children...then and only then should they get the right to say anything.
The most fun part of this topic is that, at least in tge U.S., pro-lifers are normally pro-guns, anti-healthcare, pro-death-penalty... So basically is not that they are really pro-life, they are pro-shittier-world.
Many years ago, during a really bad mental health crisis, I got pregnant. The logical me was screaming "STOP!! You know what's going to happen!" But the mentally broken me was saying "You deserve a moment of happiness". He was my ex and the father of my 5 year old (who was staying with my mom until I found a stable living arrangement). By the time I realized I was pregnant, I had found a room for rent and was off the street and starting the process of rebuilding my life. I get HORRIBLE morning sickness and it was so bad I couldn't keep anything down. I wound up in the ER 3 times in 2 weeks. The last time I was hallucinating because of dehydration. I had an appointment to terminate the pregnancy but I still had my 5 year old to care for. The doctor came in and when he learned I wasn't keeping the pregnancy, he starts this sob story about how he and his wife ALWAYS wanted kids but then she hit menopause during fertility treatment and how I should consider adoption. I was pissed. He didn't give two shits about my 5 year old, sitting next to me. The 5 year old who had to partially fend for himself because I was too weak and too sick to stand up. He didn't care that my 5 year old thought I was going to die as they gave me fluids and medications to stop me from throwing up. No. He didn't care about this EXISTING life. Only about the one that was endangering my life. I KNEW better but in that moment, I wasn't me. Pregnancy and abortion is NO ONE's business but the woman and her doctor.
"Abortion shouldn't be banned, it shouldn't be needed." OMG. Forget that this person claims his/her English skills are lacking. THAT'S the pro-choice stance in one beautiful, perfect nutshell, as far as I am concerned.
Men need to keep their pants on too, and the damn scientific community still consisting primarily of men needs to create a birth control pill for men to take. Reminders that spontaneous, romantic runaway sexual congress can lead to children. Grow a pair and use extra care!
I had miscarriage just after i had a whole heap of untrue insults thrown at me by a family member. Was so angry. Should i call that a*****e a murderer and get her charged. She killed my baby lolol wasnt meant to be is simple answer. But what if was those insults raising my anger levels that caused that. And maybe that was family member was anti abortion. The hypocrisy of that kills me. When through her sick, insulting, untrue words she killed my baby. Certainly how it felt on the day i can tell u. But i just turned it around in my head so didnt hunt her down and kill her and said to self it just wasnt meant to be. I have my son and he wasnt planned but im thankful. But...i would have been just as happy not having a child to bring into this crazy dying world we live in. Full of perverts, narcissists, sociapaths, psychopaths. Wearing masks like pope hats, letters after names. Police hats, drs hats, teachers hats. Uncle hats, aunty hats. Sick world we live in peops and only gettin worse
Glad Mikes gone, what a pleb 🙄so many other problems in the world and too many people. Cant even b bothered to get into this. But these dumb a*s control freaks who shove their ideas down others throats ....how do they support themselves when spend all day doin just that, every day. Bloody sad, foster kids if wanna make a difference.
I'm pro life for myself what people do with their own body will ultimately be between them and god while I really don't like abortion especially late term abortion I'm not going to sit and argue with someone who has their mind made up that I'm the bad guy for believing any innocent creature with a heartbeat deserves to be loved. If I had the means to do all the things that this person listed I would but unfortunately I'm not bill gates and just because I believe in something different than them does not mean that I'm expecting everyone to take on my views because I think there is no right or winning in this situation every option sucks. Every opinion is stomping on another and they are all relevant to each individual. It's a stay in your own lane and space situation
Late term abortions are not common. The mothers that go through that are either very young (they might not even have had their first period), old (they thought it was menopause), battered women and where the fetus is sick/deformed. It's not a matter of using it as a contreception. :)
Load More Replies...No one is in favor of abortion, no one! But in some cases it is the only answer. I 've said it before: If men got pregnant birth control would come in the mail, free, each month to each and every man on the planet! Seven-hundred kids go into foster care a day, A DAY! Pay attention people. We need control over our lives cuz sometimes we make mistakes.
How about this: we have the medical technology to inplant early embryos, so why not transplant them? The pro-life movement can provide the money to pay the medical costs, hire surrogates to gestate them, and take responsibility for the babies. No more medically unnecessary abortions, hurrah!
What if we all let women decide whether or not they go through nine months of pregnancy and then labor when there is a perfectly safe way to choose not to go through that. Okay? Okay cool.
My school has a pro-life club that raises money and helps to buy necessities e.g. diapers for struggling mothers that decided not to get an abortion. Abortion is a really hard thing for these ladies to go through and the circumstances that push most ladies to get them are pretty bad. So it's wrong to discriminate against them. abortion is unideal. So what we do is try to help the ladies so that some won't get abortions anymore and can raise their children. That's real pro-life. People that discriminate against the women and not try to do anything to help them are pro-hate and give the real pro-lifers a bad name. I think more schools should do this as it's lots of fun and helps teach us more about how the real world works and what it means to be a decent person
Yes! Speak the truth! Real pro-lifers have no interest in controlling women! We just want to save the children!
Load More Replies...'If you're pre-born you're fine, if you're pre-school you're f****d'.
The pro life argument is never about protecting life. It about sitting in your smug life with smug opinions and forcing your warped believes on others. I’ve said for many years if you made each protester responsible for the child they profess they want to save you would have a lot less protesters and might find solutions instead. But you always get the staid response of its not my problem.....oh but it is and it is a world problem....tell what do you think of the world population at 7.7 billion people and rising.....when do you think us overbreeding rats will sink the ship called earth....it will happen only a matter of time.
I am totally pro-choice. I understand being pregnant doesn’t just involve one person - baby - father. Death of baby. Father having no choice in the matter. However you have to consider, when does a fetus really have a soul, when is it really a person? No matter what anyone thinks, nobody really knows. There may not really be a death if a human here. Men need to take more responsibility for pregnancy in the first place. It comes down to only the women can possibly make the choice here, and it is not an easy one.
Tell ya what, when you can take the parasite (it HAS to have a host to live and thrive, hence parasite) out of a woman at just a few days/weeks into a pregnancy, and it can live and breathe on its own, THEN, and ONLY then, is it a baby! It is MY choice what to do with MY body! It is NOT a decision for the government to make... And it NEVER should be!!!
Personally I would never have an abortion unless medically necessary but that doesn't mean I am against women having the right to get an abortion for whatever they deem necessary. I can't judge others reasons and it annoys me about pro-lifers. I am and always will be pro-choice that is why I hate some of these new laws.
does that mean when i j*****f,i have killed millions of my future kids ????
someone posted this below and it needs repeating: “The habits of liberals, their automatic language, their knee-jerk responses to certain issues, deserved the epithets the right wing stuck them with. I'd see how true they often were. Here they were, banding together in packs, so I could predict what they were going to say about some event or conflict and it wasn't even out of their mouths yet. I was very uncomfortable with that. Liberal orthodoxy was as repugnant to me as conservative orthodoxy.” ...George Carlin
"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to f**k in the first place, man?" - George Carlin (If you want to keep playing the 'Quote George Carlin' game, you're gonna lose, I fear)
Load More Replies...Yes it is the parents' responsibility. Which is why abortion is also the parent's (and doctor's) decision, not yours!
Require a world wide vasectomy at birth. Vasectomy reversal is not necessary to make a child. A needle can get the semen out and IVF isn't necessary either. Just squirt the semen, extracted from the testes, into the vagina around the time of ovulation. That way no pregnancy will ever be accidental or unplanned. Alternatively, take the DNA of everyone on the planet and if a woman is forced to have a child, find the father. Make the father raise the child while under the scrutiny of Children's Services.
I dont see how the pro-choice/pro abortion part responded to the other one, more than being overly aggresive and with a certain level of poor porr dialectic. the second one is wrong, but the first one just showed the exact same pattern of extremist behaviour the first on blame , in short words this is a good example of the very low levels of respect both sides display, and on the other hand the reply is only bassed on opinions not in data, so both side are disgusting
I dont see how the pro-choice/pro abortion part responded to the other one, more than being overly aggresive and with a certain level of poor porr dialectic. the second one is wrong, but the first one just showed the exact same pattern of extremist behaviour the first on blame , in short words this is a good example of the very low levels of respect both sides display, and on the other hand the reply is only bassed on opinions not in data, so both side are disgusting
Curiously 'natural' abortions far outnumber induced abortions, however you never hear the pro-life brigade criticizing God for murdering the unborn. Wonder why? Oh and what about the tens of thousands of under three year old children that die of starvation caused by their God through his negligence or from the diseases that their God created. Hmm, God most certainly doesn't appear to be Pro-Life in any respect.
I will always fight for My right to Choose! the Hypocrisy of the Anti-Women, "Pro-Life" bull always gets me steaming mad
Planned Parenthood was the first medical facility I went to that successfully diagnosed and treated my severe depression. Had I not been able to get that care, I truly don’t believe I would be here today.
Wow.. I suffer way way too much mentally from terrible depression & personality disorders to handle someone calling me a murderer because I can't care for myself let alone a child. I have zero support from family because they're dead. This world is something. Does it matter though your damned if you do & damned if you don't over anything. Best thing is be thankful your not the person pointing and screaming calling someone a murderer like that. Just because it's illegal in a few US states doesn't make it a terrible thing when the whole rest of the world supports it.
This is from the CDC website regarding pregnancy related deaths in the United States. A woman should not be forced to risk her life to carry a child she doesn’t want. “The death of a woman during pregnancy, at delivery, or soon after delivery is a tragedy for her family and for society as a whole. Sadly, about 700 women die each year in the United States as a result of pregnancy or delivery complications. During pregnancy, a woman’s body goes through many changes. These changes are entirely normal, but may become very important in case there are complications or problems. A pregnancy-related death is defined as the death of a woman during pregnancy or within one year of the end of pregnancy from a pregnancy complication, a chain of events initiated by pregnancy, or the aggravation of an unrelated condition by the physiologic effects of pregnancy.“
Love it! Picket abortion clinics with those words! Signs that say "What Next U IDIOTS?"
I was adopted because my mother could not raise me herself. I have the most amazing parents ever.
The person who got me pregnant told me was seperated from wife but the lying fk forgot to tell wife and my son got a dysfunctional compulsive liar for a father who drinks too much and still fkn life up on drugs at 50. Lost $100k year job last year. Lost licence again last year, then chose to drive again with no licence three times caught drink drivin again, drug drivin again, the drivin again. Can i give him the green dream cos at 50 hes fkd n never ever gonna change. S**t role model. S**t father. Stuck with it for nutha 6 years 🙄
For your consideration: This article is obfuscating to the common folk on the facts about the genocidal agenda of the founder of Planned Parenthood and the Nazi propagandist whom schooled her on how to present a more attractive presentation on terminating the melanated humans and those others who they considered unworthy to exist. When she first introduced her racist views and opinions and solution she was soundly rejected by the masses of humanity. Notuntil the NAZIS convinced her to disguise it as something that was good an attractive for themselves, did it began to be accepted into mainstream consideration to become what it is today, riddled in death and the destruction pf all mankind. The main stream media will never allow these truths to be told, as they are all owned by the wicked that help plan the demise of humanity. Peace
For your consideration: This article does not change the fact that abortions are a racist attack on melanated Humanity. Margaret Singer was the founder Planned Parenthood, when she first presented her planned genocide of all non-white and other humans she considered inferior, her plans were soundly rejected by the masses, that is until she consulted with the NAZIS that suggested she make it seem like something good for the humanity she desired to exterminate. Now what you did with this article did accomplish one thing, added to the misdirection of the truth. I agree people do not deserve to be attacked at abortion clinics, but the main stream media refuses to reveal the truth of Margaret Sanger and her racist agenda. Peace
All have sinned and come short of being considered of good substance, be considerate of whomever you sleep with on purpose and too others whom had such disclosure taken from by advantage of non-agreed body contact. Adoption and therapy if needed is a significant gesture because you don't want such on your spirituality. Some individuals desire children but not in circumstances of violations. You can apologize for some situations but not something unaware or unexpected. I think their advertising is harsh because some children can read and understand big words.
Abortion is an evil necessity but beyond 3 months i really don't think it should be legal (excluding serious illness to mother ir baby). It is cutting up a child and pulling it out. More contraceptions like morning after pill should be freely available. People still think pulling out or rhythm method works!
When you argue with an idiot, who's really the idiot? While I've made similar rants myself on the subject, I never for a moment thought it would sink into their brains at all. They're not just ignorant, they're belligerently and willfully ignorant. God himself could come down and try to educate them and they'd still shake their head and give a one sentence retort like a zombie saying, "Braaaiiiinnnnsss". They can't be educated. And it's depressing that so many like them exist.
They're not pro-lifers, they're pro-ignorance. I want to put them all on a rocket to the sun.
Load More Replies...Have these holy sh*ts adopted all the children out of orphanages, taken the severely mentally r******d off their parents' hands and quit their jobs to care for them, adopt children and the children's children born of incest and thereby ensure that they are safe and will no longer be raped, and most importantly, will they give up their lives for the life that they will take when the mother dies from the pregnancy they forced her to have?
A subsequent problem in no way mitigates the first problem. For example, not knowing what do "next" with homeless people in no way makes the killing of homeless people acceptable.
Load More Replies...I always thought I was against it until I was older and had kids and understood the immense responsibility having them was. I wanted kids but it took my 6 years and fertility meds but I ended up having 3 healthy pregnancies. I cannot imagine some women who does not want or cannot have a child ending up pregnant and then forced to carry it and deliver and raise or give it up. I wanted my children and the challenges can be `overwhelming and they are now adults but the worry never ends. I tell all my friends that if and when you have children be prepared to spend 24 hours a day thinking and worrying for the rest of your lives, this mother does!!
Both of my kids are adopted from foster care and anytime someone starts spouting pro-life c**p, I ask them how many kids have they adopted. When I was trying to get pregnant and couldn't, I was so upset that people were aborting babies when I couldn't conceive. But that was just an emotional overreaction.
i dont like abortion, but i could see why people need it; no money, cant care for it, etc. no reason to call people murderers, tho
When the child is born with horrible deformities, who is going to pay for his lifetime of care? Because, remember, US parents will have to fight with insurance for every. Single. Procedure. When the parents' marriage falls apart because of the inordinate stress of having a chronically severely ill child, are you going to chastise the parents for their "sin" of divorce? As the OP and others have said here, if you really hate abortion, then MAKE BIRTH CONTROL OBTAINABLE!
Look at the statistics for adoption etc and you will see it isn’t rainbows and unicorns and is very complicated. Adoption is not always the best option. Also most abortions are done with just medication to create a miscarriage. You are describing an over the top version late term abortions which is less than 6% of abortions and usually done because the pregnancy is a risk to the mother’s life or the fetus is severely deformed and incompatible with life. Medication is also give then to create a numbing effect so the foetus feels nothing and dies before the extraction. Which sometimes yes does crush the skull. But there is no pain involved to the fetus.
Load More Replies...No. Literally everything you just said about Planned Parenthood and abortion methods is a lie. You don't have a friend Amanda, and she didn't work for PP. When the vast majority of abortions occur, a fetus is in the very beginning stages of development. There aren't limbs to be torn out. Also, a fetus needs to be in the womb to survive, so once it's out, it can't "suffocate" because it's already lost whatever life it had. I implore you to look up the developmental stages of a fetus so you can see how much of a liar, and just how wrong you are. This is the problem with you "pro-life" a******s. You HATE facts and use emotional manipulation and lies to try and control women's bodies.
Load More Replies...it is not "pro-abortion". it is pro-choice. that means that every woman has the right to CHOOSE for her own body whether or not to get an abortion. she can choose to not get an abortion, or she can choose to get one. the problem with imbeciles like YOU is that you are telling other people what to do with their own bodies. oh, and, ever heard of rape? it isn't as simple as "use a condom".
Load More Replies...Your ignorance is shocking. Not every woman that chooses abortion is irresponsible or getting rid of a mistake or any number of things that narrow minded people have claimed. Many are married with children and not ready or able to care for more. Many are victims of rape. Many are victims of incest. Many did use birth control and protection. Those methods are not 100% effective. It is NO ONE’S BUSINESS but their own why they choose to terminate a pregnancy. It is a medical procedure. It is between that woman and her physician to determine the best course of action for her circumstances. If the so-called “pro-life” people actually gave a c**p, instead of bullying and harassing women, they would be helping them. They would be providing alternatives and funding and guaranteeing those “babies” they’re saving would be housed, loved and educated. But no one is guaranteeing that. They’re just shaming and abusing women for personal decisions that have nothing to do with them.
Load More Replies...Sadly it is your logic that is lacking. Look at all the statistics of children in need of adoption, look at the lack of services and people willing and able to take/adopt them all, look at the neglect and abuse that often occurs to these children, look at the statistics of risks of homelessness, addiction and crime, look at the high rates of mental health and suicide, look at the statistics of children never having a loving home, look at ALL the facts that surround the complexities of pregnancy, unwanted pregnancies, adoption, abortion etc etc. You need to look at the bigger picture. You don’t care about what happens once a child is born, you are not pro-life, so stop pretending. Tell me how many children have you adopted? how many times have you been pregnant? what services do you provide to help protect children from neglect and abuse? What services do you provide for mental illness? I could go on but I would LOVE to hear your answers. Please enlighten me with your b******t.
Load More Replies...Well then adopt, there are MILLIONS of children worldwide needing adoption and not enough people to adopt them. Why add more children to the mix. Use your logic.
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