“She Could Eat Every Single Thing Served”: Brother Angry At Family Member After His Vegan Fiancée Goes Hungry At Dinner Despite The Food Being Vegan
“So I did my best,” wrote the Redditor u/itriedokay123 on the incident that happened after he volunteered to cook for a small family gathering. It turns out, his brother’s fiancée was vegan, so he made sure to adapt the menu. “I put together a dijon vinaigrette salad, pasta tossed with roasted asparagus and cherry tomatoes,” and made sure the bread didn’t have milk or eggs in it.
However, the dinner didn’t go as planned. “Reassurances are made, I did my homework but… she has other complaints,” he recounted in the post on r/AITA. After everyone had left, the author’s brother texted a message blaming him for leaving his woman hungry.
This didn’t sit well, and here you have it, a full-blown family drama and somewhat of a classic example of when everyone seems to try their hardest but it turns out average at best.
This person volunteered to cook for his family, but knowing that his brother’s new fiancée is vegan, he adapted the menu
Image credits: Jonathan Ybema (not the actual photo)
However, she wouldn’t eat, and the family drama escalated up to the point that the author of this post called her out for having an eating disorder
Image credits: itriedokay123
And this is what people commented about the incident
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She sat and tore up the bread rolls. That's a distraction technique. It's playing with food she desperately wants to be able to want to eat. I'd put money on the fact that calling out her ED was more accurate than they want to admit.
Yes, classic tactics for eating disorder. I know picky people and vegans, but this is screaming ed at me. And the brother probably knows. Stand back and take a deep breath, there is nothing further you can do for either of them.
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I grew up vegan (at a time when most people had to find the right dictionary to get the definition of the word) and I also had* an ED. I mastered the ability to find fault in vegan meals by nitpicking the ingredients and finding the most base faults. I also mastered the art of shuffling food around my plate. This girl straight up is trying to hide her ED from the brother (boyfriend), who is clueless to it, and the OP is spot on. Although, he could have used tact with informing his bro of the ED to be available should he realize her ED & have questions in the future. (*some believe EDs are lifelong as are addiction issues. I’m a male that had a body image issue & eating disorder between the ages of 10-22.. I was in therapy and working on it from age 15-25, completely changed my relationship with food by age 22 and am about to become a half century old. For me, I’m definitely cured/healed)
Addiction issues aren't all lifelong. Pretty sure, alcohol issues are often, but not even them, although the worst in this regard (at least of the classic drugs which have been around some time), are always lifelong. Some can drink a bit after becoming sober, and remain sober, and some just get a little bit in a Mon Cheri, and then go buy booze and drink as long as they can hold a bottle. Opioide issues are pretty much reversible, in the physical part of it at least, and so are many more. Alcohol being the default addiction people think of even makes addictions in general, as bad as they are, look worse than most of them are. There are enough issues with them without exaggeration, let it be as it is.
Yep, that reads like a very unhappy and stressed woman. Absolutely not the fault of the cook. I'm just uncomfortable with referring to her as 'the a.rsehole' when there's clearly bigger problems there. I hope her boyfriend can help her and not enable her problems more.
I agree. It could be a cover for anorexia, it could be orthorexia or something else along the line, but I know many a hardcore vegan and this - this isn’t it. Someone went out of their way to fix vegan food for you - as long as they didn’t drizzle bacon on it for taste or something, you shut your face, smile, eat it and say thank you very much. It may be that this girl needs help, veganism probably isn’t the underlaying problem here.
I truly would like to believe she has an eating disorder, but this in my eyes is just obstinacy. Recreationally finicky about food and accustomed to having everyone else move aside for her neuroses. In other words, a power play. Well pardon my french, but she can stick her recreational activity where the sun don't shine.
And your comment tells me you’ve never dealt with someone with narcissistic personality disorder.
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I see this so many times and It angers me so much: honey has nothing to do with being a vegan! Bees are on the verge of going extinct and if we want to stop that, we need to eat honey so that the bee keepers can keep taking care of the bees. It is NOT animal cruelty to take honey from the bees. They always have a reserve and in most cases dont even get agitated when a bee keeper takes what they need. So for the love of good, STOP telling people eating honey is against veganism. It's bullshit and harms the bees in the long run.
Thanks for pointing that out. If one can buy local honey from small beekeepers, that's probably even better.
Load More Replies... Yes, your local hobbyist beekeeper can provide you with higher quality honey. Ask them what methods they use to combat mites, foul brood and other diseases that plague bees and threaten their very existence. These diseases are the result of human's keeping bees commercially and transporting them.
The case is there is no problem with the honey bees, in fact there are more honey bees now than ever. The bees that are in trouble are wild pollinators like bumblees and solitary bee species.
Exactly. Getting real sick of people saying that we need to eat honey to save the bees. No one gives a f**k about the bees that actually need saving because that would involve acknowledging that honeybees are actually the problem.
Getting real tired of people not seeing the connection here. 1. I didn't just say "OMG EAT HONEY", I said that calling honey non-vegan food is bullsh*t because it has nothing to do with animal cruelty. 2. Of CORSE its the wild bees which are disappearing. But there is not much we can do to stop that aside from landscaping to create new living spaces for them. BUT. Local bee keepers don't just produce honey! They also drive out to places which need to be pollinated and release their bees there to do the job. This takes a lot of logistics and is expensive, but its an important job that needs to be done until the wild bee populations recover. Listen, I am not just writing this to sound like a smartass. There are several bee keepers in my family and the little town I live in even has a bee keeping museum. So chill, I am not just talking out of my *ss.
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Considering that it's the honeybees who are outcompeting the native bees, and actually you *did* write a tirade about how much vegans suck for not eating your honey, and every comment since has been further about your obsessive hatred of people who don't eat honey, yes xolitaire you are talking out of your ass. Honeybees are used for the pollination/fertilisation of commercial crops, not for native plants. You can acknowledge the importance of honeybees in human food production without blatantly lying about their environmental impact on native bees (or the impact that then has on native plants who can only be pollinated by certain native bee species), or throwing tantrums over the objective fact that honey is an animal product and some people don't want to eat it. If you saying that bees are plants, for goodness sake, in other comments to justify this crazy obsession of yours with veganising honey, isn't talking out your ass, then nothing is. When people have to keep asking you to calm down and stop lying, perhaps consider if you are the one who needs to chill.
Vegans being against honey feels like they should also be against walking on the ground cause they are killing ants. It's so ludicrous
Obviously you have no clue, maybe find a vegan page and find out why they think like they do.
I have and I agree with Hayley. There is no reason to declare honey non vegan food. Bees literally don't care if you take the honey out of the comb if you know what you are doing. A good bee keeper can do that without even agitating the bees. They are survivalists and always have reserves. Also, their order to produce more still stands, no matter if you take it or not.
They can't control what may be underfoot but they can control what goes down their throats. It is a bit like the AA prayer. It does take self awareness to maintain balance between the world and the self. Or else we either become apathetic or neurotic
I think for many vegans what they want is to live without taking anything from animals - just live alongside them without expecting anything from them. I'm not a vegan or veggie, but I can see that this is their philosophy. BTW, I found out recently that beeswax is also absolutely okay to take as once it's done its job the bees don't need it anymore and it's a waste product.
Yeah - I never really understood that one. My sister is vegan & claims we're somehow "taking advantage" of the bees or some such bullsh*t. Bee keepers do all they can to ensure the health & safety of the hive, so this makes absolutely no sense to me.
Someone told me that vegans don't eat honey because the bee keepers destroyed their bees every winter and get new ones rather than take care of them. So let's add stopping this misinformation to your list of BS that (probably) PETA keeps spreading.
no, it's because bee's need the honey to survive and it's not ours to take, also it's an animal product and they do not eat ANY animal product. A lot of bee keepers take very good care of their bees. that's great. just leave them their honey.
It's against veganism because it's a product of an animal. Whether it results in abuse of said animal is secondary to that, and not at all the sole determining factor.
We are omnivores. Period. Not taking from animals is against our very nature as human animals. Do you condemn a lion for taking down a gazelle? Of course not (unless you're completely ignorant). Most of us should eat a lot less meat because its not good for our health to eat as much as most people do, but this childish/naive belief system about "not taking from animals" is utterly stupid.
I seriously doubt that the small number of vegans who refuse to eat honey are going to make so much of a difference as to cause the extinction of honey bees. Get over it. I also doubt that an extinction of honey bees is necessarily going to collapse the food chain, considering that in most places they were introduced. Australia, for example, has a large number of native bee varieties, very few of them actually make honey, many of them don't live communally, but they all are involved in pollination. Bees are just one animal that are involved in that. An extinction of honey bees would, naturally, impact the food supply, but that might just mean that we would have to rely on different sources of foods to those we've come to prefer. It might mean that other species or animals step in to reclaim the niche that honey bees would have seemingly taken from some other previous species or animals. And so the world turns. And who knows, maybe by that time some countries will have dealt with poverty enough that they join the 1st world in declining birth rates and a seemingly matched declining fertility, meaning that less food will need to be acquired. Get over it. What is it with you people. You competing with the religious for most sensational doomsday prediction? You all belong in the same batshit category.
How does honey have nothing to do with veganism? Veganism is ommitting animal products from your diet and your wardrobe. Honey is an animal product. Whether animal cruelty is involved in a particular jar of honey is irrelevant. By sheer definition of veganism, honey is not vegan. This is the same logic as calling yourself a vegetarian when you eat fish. Honesty in labels matter, especially when it comes to food. It's this sort of nonsense that makes it so difficult for someone with any dietary restriction to be taken seriously or stay safe with what they can and can't be served. If you want to eat a particular food, then sure, whatever, but don't lie and use a label that isn't true. There's even a word for people who eat a vegan diet other than honey. It's beegan, fittingly. Be a beegan if you want, but honey is not vegan.
If animal cruelty is irrelevant, then sorry, but vegans are actually assholes. I don't really care about the definition at this point, if that's the mindset involved. I guess this explains why things like agave nectar as a replacement for honey and processed sugars are so popular, despite agave harvesting depriving bats of a primary food source.
Vegans don't eat honey because bees store the nectar in a "crop" or second stomach where enzymes turn it into a pre-honey. Then they basically eject it out of their mouths into the comb cell where it is evaporated into honey and capped with beeswax which is nectar mixed with another bodily enzyme which turns it into wax. Vegan purists do not eat honey because of this bodily process. Olive oil is vegan.
Olive oil is environmentally bad, according to a lot of vegans. So yes, it’s vegan.
you are wrong. bee's NEED the honey to survive, Bee keepers sometimes give them sugar and almond paste as a substitute. being vegan means not doing harm to any animal. look it up.
Then those bee keepers are doing a bad job. Bees do need the honey to survive, but the keepers take only the excess. If you have happy, healthy bees, they will make a good surplus. If being vegan means not doing harm to any animal, vegans should be against things like agave nectar, which, when harvested, often deprives bats of a vital food source. Bees are not being harmed by the majority of beekeeping, sorry.
bees literally produce more than they need. They have reserves. Sure good bee keepers feed them additionally. But that mostly happens when a hive shows signs of failing health or when the temperatures are not in their favour. A hive is it's own eco system and needs certain conditions to thrive. Feeding them doesn't mean a bee keeper took all their honey...smh
The upside is that wild bees are not decimated by the diseases. The downside is wild bees do not produce much honey, their colonies are very small in population, they make only a tiny amount of honey, they can not pollinate the large, commercial orchards and crops that sustain humans.
Honey bees have existed for 14 million years and in less than 50 years commercial beekeeping has virtually brought the honeybee to extinction. The diseases that are running rampant in honeybees are barely being maintained through chemistry. Honeybees are incapable of survival without this intervention and will most likely dwindle into extinction unless our dedicated scientist find a lasting solution. I am a beekeeper., though not a commercial beekeeper.
As far as animal cruelty goes, the process of removing honey from the the hive kills countless bees. Honey is strained to remove impurities which mainly are bee legs, wings and bodies. As much as a beekeeper tries to not smash bees it is impossible to avoid, even for the backyard beekeeper. Commercial extraction is less careful. Also commercial honey can be stored for indefinite periods of time in immense vats that very like have the bodies of insects and vermin at the bottom. The honey is pasteurized at bottling time to ensure consumers's safety.
I have no idea where you got that information but it sounds like a load of garbage to me. I know a beekeeper, and can tell you that removing honey from hives does not kill bees. Beekeepers DO NOT WANT TO KILL their bees, therefore they are very careful when removing honeycomb from the hive. And, when they do crush the was to extract the honey from the honeycomb, they remove all of the bees from the wax first, by brushing them off or etc. In other words, none of the bees should get crushed or smashed as you put it, because they have been removed first. And, even in a commercial situation I can't imagine beekeepers would be that clumsy and not careful, because again, they do not want to kill the bees. If they kill all their bees, how are they going to keep selling honey? Seriously, PLEASE STOP spreading misinformation about beekeeping and the process of removing honeycomb fro hives!
Thanks for this info. Unfortunately, all agricultural products (eg, grains, legumes, beans, vegetables) can and do contain some bug pieces. Don't Google it if it grosses you out. It's part of life on earth.
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That is only true if you don't wash your beans, fruit or vegetable before cooking or if you eat preprepared food.
This... sorry for my language, but this is bullshit. You can take a honey comb out of a hive, hold in in your hands for minutes and simply remove the bees from it carefully. We don't just go and squash the bees to get the comb. Also: bees are very clean. Should a bee die, no matter if its a worker, queen or a drone, the bodies don't get stuck in the honeycombs, they follow gravity and FALL to the bottom of the hive From there, they get exposed of aka thrown out. A bee hive is very sensitive to temperatures (as in: very warm) so depending on the temperature, bees clean out any carcasses very efficiently.
I've watched beekeepers on Youtube remove entire colonies by hand from trashcans and under trailers and all manner of other places without hurting a single bee. Sorry, but you're wrong.
My father kept bees and rarely did any bees get maimed or killed through the process of collecting and extracting honey. There are between 20-80k bees living in a hive and through careful handling (which is in the beekeeper's best interest) there are very few bee casualties... The wax frames that are added to beehives form the foundation of the building of hexagonal cells by the bees... sugar water is also added to the hives to allow them to survive hibernation. Considering the process by which various types of sugars are produced- and their detrimental environmental impact- vegans should probably avoid sugar more than honey(or just avoid sweeteners altogether).
She could have eaten small portions, or just had salad, if she was that worried about calories. Refusing everything after the host has made a special effort to accommodate is rude, if it's done unnecessarily.
@Rob Woodman. Just no. My bees are not exploited and,as I said above, any responsible beekeeper will remove EXCESS honey to prevent swarming.
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Sounds like she is one of these so called ENTITLED. Do yourself a favour and tell your brother AND her never to darken your door again. Self centred attention seeking witch
I don’t disagree with you. I simply said what her reason was, and what many vegans have told me.
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Yes. She's a big girl, and neither her husband's brother nor you need to worry your little heads over what she puts in her mouth or not. Sticking your nose in other people's business is rude. And here are a large number of people creating a culture around exactly that. Day in. Day out.
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Pay attention. There was honey in the salad dressing. Honey is stolen from exploited bees.
There was no honey in the salad dressing; the poster used that as an example of a hypothetical situation in which the SIL-to-be was offered purportedly vegan food that had turned out to be non-vegan. The 'Victimised Vegan' costume is becoming somewhat threadbare these days, you know.
It specifically says he reassured her that there was NOT honey in the salad dressing.
It says she didn’t eat it because...her perception is what’s important.
She sat and tore up the bread rolls. That's a distraction technique. It's playing with food she desperately wants to be able to want to eat. I'd put money on the fact that calling out her ED was more accurate than they want to admit.
Yes, classic tactics for eating disorder. I know picky people and vegans, but this is screaming ed at me. And the brother probably knows. Stand back and take a deep breath, there is nothing further you can do for either of them.
Load More Replies... I grew up vegan (at a time when most people had to find the right dictionary to get the definition of the word) and I also had* an ED. I mastered the ability to find fault in vegan meals by nitpicking the ingredients and finding the most base faults. I also mastered the art of shuffling food around my plate. This girl straight up is trying to hide her ED from the brother (boyfriend), who is clueless to it, and the OP is spot on. Although, he could have used tact with informing his bro of the ED to be available should he realize her ED & have questions in the future. (*some believe EDs are lifelong as are addiction issues. I’m a male that had a body image issue & eating disorder between the ages of 10-22.. I was in therapy and working on it from age 15-25, completely changed my relationship with food by age 22 and am about to become a half century old. For me, I’m definitely cured/healed)
Addiction issues aren't all lifelong. Pretty sure, alcohol issues are often, but not even them, although the worst in this regard (at least of the classic drugs which have been around some time), are always lifelong. Some can drink a bit after becoming sober, and remain sober, and some just get a little bit in a Mon Cheri, and then go buy booze and drink as long as they can hold a bottle. Opioide issues are pretty much reversible, in the physical part of it at least, and so are many more. Alcohol being the default addiction people think of even makes addictions in general, as bad as they are, look worse than most of them are. There are enough issues with them without exaggeration, let it be as it is.
Yep, that reads like a very unhappy and stressed woman. Absolutely not the fault of the cook. I'm just uncomfortable with referring to her as 'the a.rsehole' when there's clearly bigger problems there. I hope her boyfriend can help her and not enable her problems more.
I agree. It could be a cover for anorexia, it could be orthorexia or something else along the line, but I know many a hardcore vegan and this - this isn’t it. Someone went out of their way to fix vegan food for you - as long as they didn’t drizzle bacon on it for taste or something, you shut your face, smile, eat it and say thank you very much. It may be that this girl needs help, veganism probably isn’t the underlaying problem here.
I truly would like to believe she has an eating disorder, but this in my eyes is just obstinacy. Recreationally finicky about food and accustomed to having everyone else move aside for her neuroses. In other words, a power play. Well pardon my french, but she can stick her recreational activity where the sun don't shine.
And your comment tells me you’ve never dealt with someone with narcissistic personality disorder.
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I see this so many times and It angers me so much: honey has nothing to do with being a vegan! Bees are on the verge of going extinct and if we want to stop that, we need to eat honey so that the bee keepers can keep taking care of the bees. It is NOT animal cruelty to take honey from the bees. They always have a reserve and in most cases dont even get agitated when a bee keeper takes what they need. So for the love of good, STOP telling people eating honey is against veganism. It's bullshit and harms the bees in the long run.
Thanks for pointing that out. If one can buy local honey from small beekeepers, that's probably even better.
Load More Replies... Yes, your local hobbyist beekeeper can provide you with higher quality honey. Ask them what methods they use to combat mites, foul brood and other diseases that plague bees and threaten their very existence. These diseases are the result of human's keeping bees commercially and transporting them.
The case is there is no problem with the honey bees, in fact there are more honey bees now than ever. The bees that are in trouble are wild pollinators like bumblees and solitary bee species.
Exactly. Getting real sick of people saying that we need to eat honey to save the bees. No one gives a f**k about the bees that actually need saving because that would involve acknowledging that honeybees are actually the problem.
Getting real tired of people not seeing the connection here. 1. I didn't just say "OMG EAT HONEY", I said that calling honey non-vegan food is bullsh*t because it has nothing to do with animal cruelty. 2. Of CORSE its the wild bees which are disappearing. But there is not much we can do to stop that aside from landscaping to create new living spaces for them. BUT. Local bee keepers don't just produce honey! They also drive out to places which need to be pollinated and release their bees there to do the job. This takes a lot of logistics and is expensive, but its an important job that needs to be done until the wild bee populations recover. Listen, I am not just writing this to sound like a smartass. There are several bee keepers in my family and the little town I live in even has a bee keeping museum. So chill, I am not just talking out of my *ss.
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Considering that it's the honeybees who are outcompeting the native bees, and actually you *did* write a tirade about how much vegans suck for not eating your honey, and every comment since has been further about your obsessive hatred of people who don't eat honey, yes xolitaire you are talking out of your ass. Honeybees are used for the pollination/fertilisation of commercial crops, not for native plants. You can acknowledge the importance of honeybees in human food production without blatantly lying about their environmental impact on native bees (or the impact that then has on native plants who can only be pollinated by certain native bee species), or throwing tantrums over the objective fact that honey is an animal product and some people don't want to eat it. If you saying that bees are plants, for goodness sake, in other comments to justify this crazy obsession of yours with veganising honey, isn't talking out your ass, then nothing is. When people have to keep asking you to calm down and stop lying, perhaps consider if you are the one who needs to chill.
Vegans being against honey feels like they should also be against walking on the ground cause they are killing ants. It's so ludicrous
Obviously you have no clue, maybe find a vegan page and find out why they think like they do.
I have and I agree with Hayley. There is no reason to declare honey non vegan food. Bees literally don't care if you take the honey out of the comb if you know what you are doing. A good bee keeper can do that without even agitating the bees. They are survivalists and always have reserves. Also, their order to produce more still stands, no matter if you take it or not.
They can't control what may be underfoot but they can control what goes down their throats. It is a bit like the AA prayer. It does take self awareness to maintain balance between the world and the self. Or else we either become apathetic or neurotic
I think for many vegans what they want is to live without taking anything from animals - just live alongside them without expecting anything from them. I'm not a vegan or veggie, but I can see that this is their philosophy. BTW, I found out recently that beeswax is also absolutely okay to take as once it's done its job the bees don't need it anymore and it's a waste product.
Yeah - I never really understood that one. My sister is vegan & claims we're somehow "taking advantage" of the bees or some such bullsh*t. Bee keepers do all they can to ensure the health & safety of the hive, so this makes absolutely no sense to me.
Someone told me that vegans don't eat honey because the bee keepers destroyed their bees every winter and get new ones rather than take care of them. So let's add stopping this misinformation to your list of BS that (probably) PETA keeps spreading.
no, it's because bee's need the honey to survive and it's not ours to take, also it's an animal product and they do not eat ANY animal product. A lot of bee keepers take very good care of their bees. that's great. just leave them their honey.
It's against veganism because it's a product of an animal. Whether it results in abuse of said animal is secondary to that, and not at all the sole determining factor.
We are omnivores. Period. Not taking from animals is against our very nature as human animals. Do you condemn a lion for taking down a gazelle? Of course not (unless you're completely ignorant). Most of us should eat a lot less meat because its not good for our health to eat as much as most people do, but this childish/naive belief system about "not taking from animals" is utterly stupid.
I seriously doubt that the small number of vegans who refuse to eat honey are going to make so much of a difference as to cause the extinction of honey bees. Get over it. I also doubt that an extinction of honey bees is necessarily going to collapse the food chain, considering that in most places they were introduced. Australia, for example, has a large number of native bee varieties, very few of them actually make honey, many of them don't live communally, but they all are involved in pollination. Bees are just one animal that are involved in that. An extinction of honey bees would, naturally, impact the food supply, but that might just mean that we would have to rely on different sources of foods to those we've come to prefer. It might mean that other species or animals step in to reclaim the niche that honey bees would have seemingly taken from some other previous species or animals. And so the world turns. And who knows, maybe by that time some countries will have dealt with poverty enough that they join the 1st world in declining birth rates and a seemingly matched declining fertility, meaning that less food will need to be acquired. Get over it. What is it with you people. You competing with the religious for most sensational doomsday prediction? You all belong in the same batshit category.
How does honey have nothing to do with veganism? Veganism is ommitting animal products from your diet and your wardrobe. Honey is an animal product. Whether animal cruelty is involved in a particular jar of honey is irrelevant. By sheer definition of veganism, honey is not vegan. This is the same logic as calling yourself a vegetarian when you eat fish. Honesty in labels matter, especially when it comes to food. It's this sort of nonsense that makes it so difficult for someone with any dietary restriction to be taken seriously or stay safe with what they can and can't be served. If you want to eat a particular food, then sure, whatever, but don't lie and use a label that isn't true. There's even a word for people who eat a vegan diet other than honey. It's beegan, fittingly. Be a beegan if you want, but honey is not vegan.
If animal cruelty is irrelevant, then sorry, but vegans are actually assholes. I don't really care about the definition at this point, if that's the mindset involved. I guess this explains why things like agave nectar as a replacement for honey and processed sugars are so popular, despite agave harvesting depriving bats of a primary food source.
Vegans don't eat honey because bees store the nectar in a "crop" or second stomach where enzymes turn it into a pre-honey. Then they basically eject it out of their mouths into the comb cell where it is evaporated into honey and capped with beeswax which is nectar mixed with another bodily enzyme which turns it into wax. Vegan purists do not eat honey because of this bodily process. Olive oil is vegan.
Olive oil is environmentally bad, according to a lot of vegans. So yes, it’s vegan.
you are wrong. bee's NEED the honey to survive, Bee keepers sometimes give them sugar and almond paste as a substitute. being vegan means not doing harm to any animal. look it up.
Then those bee keepers are doing a bad job. Bees do need the honey to survive, but the keepers take only the excess. If you have happy, healthy bees, they will make a good surplus. If being vegan means not doing harm to any animal, vegans should be against things like agave nectar, which, when harvested, often deprives bats of a vital food source. Bees are not being harmed by the majority of beekeeping, sorry.
bees literally produce more than they need. They have reserves. Sure good bee keepers feed them additionally. But that mostly happens when a hive shows signs of failing health or when the temperatures are not in their favour. A hive is it's own eco system and needs certain conditions to thrive. Feeding them doesn't mean a bee keeper took all their honey...smh
The upside is that wild bees are not decimated by the diseases. The downside is wild bees do not produce much honey, their colonies are very small in population, they make only a tiny amount of honey, they can not pollinate the large, commercial orchards and crops that sustain humans.
Honey bees have existed for 14 million years and in less than 50 years commercial beekeeping has virtually brought the honeybee to extinction. The diseases that are running rampant in honeybees are barely being maintained through chemistry. Honeybees are incapable of survival without this intervention and will most likely dwindle into extinction unless our dedicated scientist find a lasting solution. I am a beekeeper., though not a commercial beekeeper.
As far as animal cruelty goes, the process of removing honey from the the hive kills countless bees. Honey is strained to remove impurities which mainly are bee legs, wings and bodies. As much as a beekeeper tries to not smash bees it is impossible to avoid, even for the backyard beekeeper. Commercial extraction is less careful. Also commercial honey can be stored for indefinite periods of time in immense vats that very like have the bodies of insects and vermin at the bottom. The honey is pasteurized at bottling time to ensure consumers's safety.
I have no idea where you got that information but it sounds like a load of garbage to me. I know a beekeeper, and can tell you that removing honey from hives does not kill bees. Beekeepers DO NOT WANT TO KILL their bees, therefore they are very careful when removing honeycomb from the hive. And, when they do crush the was to extract the honey from the honeycomb, they remove all of the bees from the wax first, by brushing them off or etc. In other words, none of the bees should get crushed or smashed as you put it, because they have been removed first. And, even in a commercial situation I can't imagine beekeepers would be that clumsy and not careful, because again, they do not want to kill the bees. If they kill all their bees, how are they going to keep selling honey? Seriously, PLEASE STOP spreading misinformation about beekeeping and the process of removing honeycomb fro hives!
Thanks for this info. Unfortunately, all agricultural products (eg, grains, legumes, beans, vegetables) can and do contain some bug pieces. Don't Google it if it grosses you out. It's part of life on earth.
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That is only true if you don't wash your beans, fruit or vegetable before cooking or if you eat preprepared food.
This... sorry for my language, but this is bullshit. You can take a honey comb out of a hive, hold in in your hands for minutes and simply remove the bees from it carefully. We don't just go and squash the bees to get the comb. Also: bees are very clean. Should a bee die, no matter if its a worker, queen or a drone, the bodies don't get stuck in the honeycombs, they follow gravity and FALL to the bottom of the hive From there, they get exposed of aka thrown out. A bee hive is very sensitive to temperatures (as in: very warm) so depending on the temperature, bees clean out any carcasses very efficiently.
I've watched beekeepers on Youtube remove entire colonies by hand from trashcans and under trailers and all manner of other places without hurting a single bee. Sorry, but you're wrong.
My father kept bees and rarely did any bees get maimed or killed through the process of collecting and extracting honey. There are between 20-80k bees living in a hive and through careful handling (which is in the beekeeper's best interest) there are very few bee casualties... The wax frames that are added to beehives form the foundation of the building of hexagonal cells by the bees... sugar water is also added to the hives to allow them to survive hibernation. Considering the process by which various types of sugars are produced- and their detrimental environmental impact- vegans should probably avoid sugar more than honey(or just avoid sweeteners altogether).
She could have eaten small portions, or just had salad, if she was that worried about calories. Refusing everything after the host has made a special effort to accommodate is rude, if it's done unnecessarily.
@Rob Woodman. Just no. My bees are not exploited and,as I said above, any responsible beekeeper will remove EXCESS honey to prevent swarming.
Load More Replies... Sounds like she is one of these so called ENTITLED. Do yourself a favour and tell your brother AND her never to darken your door again. Self centred attention seeking witch
I don’t disagree with you. I simply said what her reason was, and what many vegans have told me.
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Yes. She's a big girl, and neither her husband's brother nor you need to worry your little heads over what she puts in her mouth or not. Sticking your nose in other people's business is rude. And here are a large number of people creating a culture around exactly that. Day in. Day out.
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Pay attention. There was honey in the salad dressing. Honey is stolen from exploited bees.
There was no honey in the salad dressing; the poster used that as an example of a hypothetical situation in which the SIL-to-be was offered purportedly vegan food that had turned out to be non-vegan. The 'Victimised Vegan' costume is becoming somewhat threadbare these days, you know.
It specifically says he reassured her that there was NOT honey in the salad dressing.
It says she didn’t eat it because...her perception is what’s important.
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