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There will always be thieves who think they're smarter than everyone else and try to rob us of our money. Thanks to the internet and social media, they can even do it remotely while the whole world is locked down, going through a pandemic.

And while we try to calm ourselves down by saying that sooner or later they will get caught and punished, as one Reddit post shows, some won't. Because we're not even chasing them!

Сreated by user u/F1yff, it asked people the question: "What is a legal scam that is still happening in 2022?" and has received plenty of real-life examples that are still thriving. Here are some of them.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Churches not paying taxes. It's completely unacceptable and really disgusting. I cannot imagine tithing to a church with a pastor who has big houses and a private jet and luxury cars.

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Chancey
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My church in rural New Jersey could not exist if we had to pay high taxes. Since the pandemic, our congregation is down to 25 or so people on a Sunday. Our pastor has a very low salary because that is all we can afford and certainly does not have a luxury car, home or jet!

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Péter Rózsahegyi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my country the state gives the churches an astonishing amount of money to perform certain social tasks, but the use of that money is completely untraceable. I think we should re-separate the church and the state.

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Chucky Cheezburger
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But not all churches are like that. There are little churches all over that are barely able to afford upkeep on their building. There should be a cut off for tax exemption. Anything over that, you get taxed on it.

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Tonya Wallace
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Um. That's what we're saying when we say tax churches. You pay according to your ability. Like how it's SUPPOSED to be with individual income taxes.

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Ian
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Charities get tax relief. The issue isn't whether churches should pay tax, but rather whether churches should be able to qualify as charities. Here in the UK if you meet the Charity Commission's criteria for a charity then you can be a charity. It doesn't matter whether you are a religious organisation or not.

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GoddessOdd
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That seems like a practical solution. Mega churches raise millions, and spend it on luxury items and to raise even more money. Small churches should not pay taxes on income needed to run the church or to fund charities.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep we have this BS here as well. I can tolerate tiny unpopular churches not paying, e.g. some silly 100 year old anglican place which has like 2 parishioners who are almost 100 themselves, but these big charismatic churches (american baptist ones, in africa, yes), must go to hell. They must pay.

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Seabeast
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not all churches are rich and very few pastors have a private jet! That only applies to the evangelical mega-churches.

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ilikeplants
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. I'm fine with churches paying taxes. But to characterize every pastor as spendthrift millionaires is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Most are desperately struggling to get by and/or working a second job.

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Charlie Taube
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It say in the Bible to not pray on the street corner, but to pray in your house. I take this to mean that people should be modest in their faith. Yet churches are covered in gold and jewels (my local one literally had a statue of the Virgin Mary emblazoned with gold leaf)

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Daniel Marsh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One last time: There is no special tax-exemption for churches in the U.S. They are NON-PROFIT institutions, just like universities, political advocacy groups that don't tell you how to vote, private schools, many insurance companies, most hospitals, orphanages, civic participation groups (i.e., Little League or the Girl Scouts), special interest groups, labor unions, foundations, conservancies and so forth. But it's very telling that for decades, people have ranted and raved specifically about churches.

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Completely Hatstand
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Catholic church is the largest commercial landlord in Italy. The little sisters of the poor are the vatican bank's wealthiest customers.

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Kai David
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Doesn't it mention by the church that church leaders are to live a poor humble life? Not wearing a $5,000 suits, living in multi million dollar homes and driving expensive cars much beyond the basic parishioner means?

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Completely Hatstand
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Cathars tried that back in the 13th century. They thought that Christians should be more like the apostles. The albigensian crusade took care of that little heresy.

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Trees
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You need to differentiate between a community church that has been there for 200 years and the glitzy warehouse QVC style 'churches'.

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GoddessOdd
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It hardly seems far, when pretty much any group can declare themselves a church and evade taxes. I think churches should at least be taxed on any expenses that don't directly benefit the poor... building mega churches should be taxed, as well as expenses that were used to generate more income. I think churches should be held more accountable.

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Salty Baritone
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The reason churches don’t pay taxes is because they provide a giant social safety net. Quite literally, churches feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, and educate the poor for free. They do a better job of it than our government, so taxing them only ends up hurting those people everyone claims to advocate for. Are there corrupt examples? Of course, as with everything and some of the worst ones being in our government. But they are outliers. If churches in the USA ceased to be, we’d have actual major social problems on our hands as compared to the ones we think are currently major.

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Miss Cris
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a state problem in your country then. All this "charity" should be state services payd with taxes. Services to all citizens, nevermind their ideas or if they have any religion. Done by professionals. With trazability and transparence. Without having economical benefits.

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Thomas Ewing
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a myth promoted by non-believers. Churches pay taxes just like everyone else.

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Seadog
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mega churches, yes I agree. But our little church with a congregation of 20 on a good day that doesn't supply the pastor with a home or anything else, just pays him to preach and be there for the us, These types of churches should definitely be tax free.

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bumble bee
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks like you are dealing with the wrong churches. Authentic churches do a lot of charity work which is why they are not taxed.

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Melo Melody
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have a pastor who was an engineer so it was understandable that their family had money. Though we had another one who doesnt have a job at all and had the latest gadgets and a car. That was so interesting.

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karin s.
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can up you one: in Germany, the state collects taxes for the big churches. If you are christian, your employer deducts this tax from the payment like other taxes and transfers it to the state and the state pays the churches for their services.

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Raccoon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The church connected to the school i go to tries to calculate how much the taxes would cost and donates it to charity

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Rider
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As with any financial institution, there comes a time when regulations need updated because of loop hole abuse.

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Bryce Lafitte
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of churches don't keep the money. Most pastors have a set salary, not a percentage of money collected. My church, for example, donates to various causes. The church pays the bills and the staff then gives away what's left. Most of it anyway

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Thomas Sweda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some, like Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis, need 2 private jets , or more, so they can, (I guess) , spread God’s word quicker .

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Lynda Vel
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is why I go to a church that shares the financial plan with us. They helped me pay for my college, rent, and light bill during covid. Helped others too and even people who were not part of our church or christians. We have one full-time lead pastor and one part-time assistant pastor. The part-time pastor also works as a dentist office assistant. Another church that I know gives like 4 or 5 students full scholarships. All funded by the church. We all know about the bad churches that have their pastor's in mansions. I could never attend those churches.

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Miss Cris
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you know what they give, but you know what they take? And the difference? So benefits? Churches are companies. They make money.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There should also be only a limited charitable deduction on income taxes. Most donations go to facility expenses and salaries which benefit only the churches' members. Tiny percent usually spent on true charity and only that percent should be deductible as a charitable donation. Americans spend millions every year subsidizing religions they don't believe in and we definitely have established some religions with government support and laws criminalizing things that only extreme religious people believe should be criminalized. This is clearly in violation of our constitution, regardless of how the Supreme Court has stretched to find it acceptable in the past.

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Justin Schalow
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Watch Righteous Gemstones on HBO Max. Funny AF and parodies mega churches.

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Jo Davies
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not all churches. The Anglican Church (Church of England) pays well reported low salaries. Depends on how strong your faith is

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I volunteered regularly at a local church that was part of the homeless (winter) shelter and dinner program, meaning more than a hundred unhoused people came by every Tuesday for dinner and a sleepover, the congregation paid for the food, the food bank, and security (mandated by the city), hesting costs for the lsrger arras. Many volunteered professional services like dentistry. This happened at many churches and synagogues in the city ( different nights), and took a huge amount of financial and work hour pressure off the city. The upkeep of such a large building, that can shelter, feed, etc. ( showers) people in need should get some sort of break,don't know exactly whst, but something.

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Bob Standen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Churches somehow can't get enough money, they don't pay taxes, but are always in need of money. Why? If their God was real wouldn't money come to them without begging for it?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's on the congregation for allowing their donations to be used in that fashion.

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Denise Lewis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my stupid brother became a BAC and gives 10% of his income to the church his kids had crappy clothes and he was always hitting my mother up for money to buy a car and as far as food well i ate over there house once and could tell there was not enough to feed everyone so i just told them i was not hungry so the kids didn't go with out

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Papa Bonez
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Find a smaller church where that doesn't happen. My pastor still has to work a day job.

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Michelle Carlson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a church member, I agree. I'll give up my tax write off for charities for this if they'll hold churches accountable. There's been way too much politicalization of religion in America.

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Alexia
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs to stay on top. In my country, the church is a powerful institotuion with connections in the political area. Not only that the church doesn't pay taxes, but periodically they get large sums of money from public funds. They use it to build new churches and to maintain and expand their influence in society.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At least the churches that got the handouts during the pandemic - we have to pay taxes on the money we got - they should too.

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Dave P
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not all Churches and houses of worship are the same. I understand for the Mega Churches, but not all are like that. My local synagogue, the Rabbi has a second job to pay his bills, and the place has a room open 24/7 with free coffee, tea, and cookies for anyone (oh and they ran 3 COVID19 Vaccine drives with the single shot J&J vaccine). Another one near me is letting them use their spare rooms as a COVID19 rapid testing center. Not all places are super rich mega churches.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

churches dont pay taxes, but they're hard to heat, so it evens out. (please tell me you got this reference)

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Frannie Kaplan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Spain i the past they used to put tiny chapels in their home to get a tax reduction due to hosting a church. Not sure what happened to that law

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Lynn Smith
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then don't. Find a church that uses that money for helping others (orphanages, food for locals in need, school clothes for local children in need, etc) there are many churches that spend that money appropriately and the pastor makes very little.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Germany the government even collects church tax for the churches. And if you are unemployed, it is automatically paid from you unemployment money, regardless of whether you are actually christian or not. And the churches get complete power over fully governmental paid social and childcare institutions, including the (otherwise illegal) right to fire people for being unmarried or homosexual. It is crazy...

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Stephen Young
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many churches use all of the financial donations to help their community, and have completely transparent financial records. Mega-churches with wealthy pastors are quintessentially American.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Especially considering what can be registered as a "church" these days. Smaller churches that serve poor communities is one thing. They don't necessarily have it easy. As far as I'm concerned, the pastors/rabbis, or whoever else ministers to a congregation should not live at a higher income than the people they minister to. Thats one thing.Maybe cut a small break there. This mega church thing has got to go. No "pastor" should be that rich. I think they'd get stuck pretty quickly trying to go through the eye of that particular needle.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't stand Joel Olsteen. I mean, he is a boil on the butt of humanity and should never be considered a "pastor" as he spreads rhetoric and falsehoods. The ONLY redeeming quality he has is he does not accept a salary from his church. All of his income comes from his book sales.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never attended that kind of church in my life, never even came within a mile of one. This is not the norm. Every church I've ever attended funnel MOST of the money into helping out the community and various charitable organizations. The pastors and staff dont even make a living wage off tithes and have other careers to feed their families. If these churches paid out taxes it would only hurt the ones they are donating to every month.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, one of my local churches is very very very small, and my pastor is a very nice older guy. He doesn't have a private jet or luxury cars; he has a Jeep and house close to the church. And the donations more often than not go to a charity, or are used to enhance the chruch or if they're tied to a school, the school. The Catholic school attached to the church didn't even have AC until the 2019-20 school year. The school's in a city that's considered rich. If that church had to pay taxes, the AC still wouldn't be there.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Churches should not pay taxes. They fought for America's existence. Does congress pay tax? Quit knocking the churches.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but Churches invading Native American land and forcing their religion onto the Natives that ALREADY have a religion count as 'fighting for America's existence'? I have nothing against religious people, but when people make it sound like their religion did no wrong I get ticked off.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well truthfully it’s only a very small amount of churches that are like this .. I’ve been a Christian for forty years and I’ve never tithed to a pastor who made more than 50k a year . Certainly don’t own any jets or luxury cars (🇨🇦)

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Lou Lopez
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It also helps Catholic hospitals buy up or local practices and kill family planning services. Our local hospital is doing this.

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Tee Witt
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is an American thing, doubt it happens in other countries

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our church is run by the poor and they only collect money to pay expenses in the church aka Electric bill, helping the church community out (This is very helpful because a member had her youngest son (12 or 14) get killed and they gave her money to help pay for the funeral) and all that stuff, our pastor isn't rich or anything like that, even has a job (Our church doesn't have pastoring as a job and their pay is based on what the community can give them.)

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It diminishes the argument when you say "private jet and luxury cars" - sure those things are there and make the fact that they don't pay tax even more disgusting... however, the core reason they should pay tax is that churches are not charities. Charities, by definition are "an organization set up to provide help and raise money for those in need" - which is the furthest thing from what organised religion is. Gay hate, science denial, restriction of others freedoms - all backed by stories to make the most morally repugnant views be seen as acceptable... but we'll make up for it by feeding a homeless person once (as long as he isnt a gay) a year.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't hate on churches, they do charities. Never seen a rich pastor.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sure there are many good churches who do charitable acts, but it also appears there are just as many who don't. Like everything in life, there's good and bad, but it makes it worse when the bad is being committed under the auspices of religion and "Christianity".

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People forget that churches (in the US anyway) allow their buildings to be used for all kinds of meetings and events and provide a lot of hope and fellowship etc for millions of people. Let's focus on things like politicians who abuse their power!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is literally zero reason for them to not pay taxes.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It used to be because churches did charity. They were places where the poor could just come in if they were sick or hungry or just needed a place to sleep. Of course its no longer the case. Its funny that the other post has a thing about rolex making the worlds most expensive watch and that rolex donates most of the profits to charity. Merit is irrelevant, prestige matters. The appearance of propriety is more important than propriety itself.

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This should be RIGHT ON TOP!!!! Everyone wants to be a preacher:(

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband is a pastor. He has walked with fifteen families through grief and loss this year. Fifteen in a church of about 100 people. He has walked through so much pain with people, a lot of them who can't be with their families or have a proper funeral due to Covid. This on top of regular church duties. And we don't make nearly enough money to pay our bills each month. He does it because he loves the people in our church. Real life is not like it is on tv. Only the insane stories make the news.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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Nasren Jak
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are fantastic free open source alternatives for most popular Adobe softwares. I use Darktable and GIMP instead of Lightroom and Photoshop and I edit my videos on OpenShot instead of Premiere. They work great and costs 0$ but I donate a little to support those developers and designers. And if you need to recover your data from a corrupted hard drive or something check icarefree, another free software which works way better than those expensive recovery services. Long live open source!

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Sadly overplayed, but health insurance. Just yesterday there was a post about a guy who had medically necessary surgery and the insurance didn’t want to pay the hospital.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Minor tax in UK ensures all medical care is free at point of use ...and yes there are waiting lists...but no one is turned away. No one is penalised for being out of work or not having private insurance. Minor prescription charges in some parts of UK (free in my area Wales) only extra private charges are for opticians and dentistry for adults. You can still get plans for those too...but any medical care required from say an optician finding something requiring treatment is referred back to NHS for treatment with no charge.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist "Printing" fee for digital tickets.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist MLMs (multi-level marketing companies). 'I'm my own CEO.' No, you aren't. You literally have a company telling you what you can and can't do.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And most people end up in debt because of MLMs. They're just legal pyramid schemes.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Printer ink.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is up there with razor blades. In some cases it's cheaper to buy a new printer each time and use the ink it comes with.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Cable company making you "rent" a router for 10$ a month.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate the fact i pay subscription to all the channels. Out of 200 i watch like 20 tops. Vut there's no profit if i only subscribe to 20 favourite ones

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Lobbying.

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Scagsy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rich people paying richer people to make legislation that makes them richer.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Insane rent prices for houses even squatters wouldn’t stay at.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's why The Netherlands has a system where every defect in your rented house means that you pay less rent. At a certain number of defects the house is declared uninhabitable. Landlords hate the system because it means that people can pay less than half of their rent without risking being evicted. The only thing landlords can do to prevent it from happening is keeping the houses up to standard.

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All televangelists

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Every single human being that makes money from religion, no matter how they do it. Take the Pope, for example.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Super-high interest, predatory rent-to-own furniture rental/loan things — where you end up paying, like, $3,000 in the end for a $500 laptop.

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Ticket master. WTF is a handling fee when I am the one handling my own phone?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Companies with bots who buy up blocks of tickets, usually really good ones, and if you wanted a seat in that section you have to pay a fortune to some scam company to get it. Legalized scalping.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Charging patients in hospitals for TV service. Their bills are high enough, but you want to add $8/day to not have to sit in silence for 23 hours a day?

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Medication Costs

my dog had hookworm and so my doctor recommended i get treated as well just to be safe - pharmacy called me warning that it would cost me $2,995... asked my doctor if there was an alternative; was able to get an equally effective treatment for $45

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist The troubled teen industry. It doesn't work. It traumatizes children. It's legal kidnapping.

I hope more attention comes to it and something happens. They're a business and the goal is to make money, not help troubled teenagers. Ffs, half the time the kids aren't even troubled!

E.T.A.: The "Troubled teen industry" refers to for-profit organizations aimed at steering rebellious and at-risk youth onto a better path through reform camps. But their methods are "tough love", negative/positive punishments and physical labor.

Because it's a business meant to make money, a lot of corner-cutting happens. They hire young and untrained staff for less pay rather than therapists and certified nurses & teachers. It's also not regulated at all so they can effectively do whatever they want with little recourse.

They use "scared straight" tactics and beat kids into obedience. They claim the best way to send a kid there is by surprise "so they don't try and run beforehand" - AKA burst into their room at 2AM and drag them into a van with very few belongings.

Look up "Elan School" for a notorious one.

Paris Hilton was kidnapped at 2AM and sent to Provo Canyon when she was 16. Look at how well that worked.

Go through this thread for some horror stories.

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#26

Why insurance goes up after an incident.

The fact that you give regular monthly installments is the intent that they will save you the hassle in case of a problem.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My homeowners insurance dropped me after I filed my first claim in 16 years. It was a minor claim as well.

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Congress officials being allowed to trade stocks

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They should be allowed to engage in legal business activities like anyone else. It should be in a double blind trust however. The issue isnt the trading stocks, it is that they have direct control.

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Modern art collecting as a easy route to evade taxes. Wealthy person buys painting of black line for $20k, have art appraiser friend appraise for $1.2mm, donate painting to museum or non-profit, write off over a million in losses, zero taxes, celebrate black line like it’s an amazing and deeply moving piece.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay well maybe this wouldn’t be done if the tax rate wasn’t insane. Killing your self working half the year for people who hate you and other people who hate your home country, sometimes a mix of both. It’s a fûcking scam, so we scam back. Plus I like my painting of a black line, and it’s worth the value people will pay for it. Sorry you can’t spend my money for me.

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That news in America is entertainment. Can get away with saying pretty much anything and still call it “news”.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The news in Australia is pretty bad too. There’s even advertisements presented within informational programs that appear as if a factual piece. Shouldn’t be allowed. I don’t even read/watch it now and rely on more objective sources from overseas. There may be some in Australia but I’ve yet to find them.

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College textbooks. "We updated a figure in chapter 8 and changed the page numbers for three Third Edition. It costs $180."

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if debt collectors can trick a grieving person into uttering words that imply you take responsibility for your dead relatives' debts, that can be treated as a binding oral contract and allow them to collect from you

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Babsevs
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is predatory and vile behaviour...not heard of it before ...now I'm horrified

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Usa tax paying system.

Paraphrasing: We know how much you owe, but we want you to calculate it and you have to get it correct under pain of prison or paying too much. Oh and the whole process is more complicated than it needs to be because of private interests.

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Scagsy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is it time to pop the U.S.A. in a big bag and shake them all up? I'm getting a lot of vibes from over the water and none of them involve 'Free' or 'Brave'.

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that cookies still exists on websites. sometimes i don’t have an option but just to give them goddamn cookies! cancel cookies!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, anyone who sticks your name on a mailing list and doesn't include an 'unsubscribe' link in any mails back. That's actually illegal, right?

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Extended warranties, so many promises made, but when time comes for a claim, almost all are denied.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well the prices for them are getting ridiculous. If you get all labour and parts paid, or a replacement product, then that was good. But a quick bit of maths tells you that you will have paid for a new product usually within 4 to 5 years, and a proportion of that will already have a manufacturers warranty on it. The sensible thing to do is to put the money you would spend on an extended warranty into a bank account each month, and use the money to pay for a repair or buy a new one when it eventually packs up.

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Paying convenience charges when booking tickets online.

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$4.95 ATM service charge.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist If you’re a personal business owner, you may receive what looks to be a bill in your mail from the US Domain Authority. At first glance, you’re under the impression that you need to pay 289 dollars to renew your website domain name… HOWEVER. There is very fine print stating that you are not legally required to pay the listed amount. It’s actually an ad requesting you pay that amount in order to have your website listed on the US Domain Authority site. I can’t imagine how many people have been tricked by this. READ YOUR MAIL CAREFULLY.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist My kid's school charges a $3 "internet fee" if you want to refill their cafeteria cards via the website. If you do it in person there's no fee.

If they feel they have to charge a fee shouldn't it be the other way around since if you use their website you aren't taking up anyone's time?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To be fair (even though it's not), most of the time they are merely passing the fee the credit card company (or what ever financier they use) for digital fees, onto you.

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politicians and their families investing in the stock market.

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Dave P
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why should you be penalized for being related to someone who is in politics? You are not them. And there should be nothing wrong with members of congress investing their money, it should be in a Double Blind Trust to prevent insider trading and corruption

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Funeral homes. Or to specify for the dunces among us, unethical funeral homes chasing profit at the expense of bereaved people...

The amount of Leeching done to grieving people just boils my blood.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Weddings and funerals are cash cows since they're emotional purchases, not necessities.

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University fees. I have to not only pay for my classes and admin fees, I have to pay for two separate student Union fees, a technology fee, an online processing fee, and a "recreation and athletic" fee, despite the Fieldhouse being entirely closed due to covid.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm working on my MA. I'm 52. I have every intention of paying the absolute minimum on my loans and if I die without paying it off, too bad.

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Taxes on taxes

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is annoying. In the UK, fuel has two kinds of tax on it. Duty and VAT. Duty is added first, then VAT is calculated on the price including duty. So you pay VAT on the duty! If the chancellor increases fuel duty by 1p, you actually pay 1.2p more because of VAT.

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#43

Charging huge fees for parking permits without spending any of that money on the maintenance of those parking spots.

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Working for the current minimum wage. I just want it to have kept up with inflation. That is probably around 22.5/hr iirc. The hardest jobs I’ve ever had was my lowest paying job.

Healthcare in the USA. When you work at a hospital and see the f*ckery that happens you get even more mad.

Student debt in its current state. I know physicians who can’t pay those loans off because the interest is just too high. They’ve been paying for 10 years and still have their original principal loan amount.

Those are just three things that make me the most mad right now.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Canada and we would have to make around $24 per hour, 40 hours per week, to just live with no extras. That would barely cover rent, transportation, insurance and food/basic necessities. The minimum wage is $15.00. Even if you did make $24 per hour you're just one emergency away from disaster.

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45 Things People Consider To Be Outdated Scams That Somehow Still Widely Exist Insurance companies stating they'll cover 100% of the cost. But when you get the bill, it's 200% and you gotta cover the difference. Who the hell reads 100% as literally anything other than fully covered?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Plus 200% means they'd definitely pay for it all :P maybe they meant 20% The only reason I like living in the UK is because of the NHS!

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