When it comes to paid time off, the United States is notorious for being a "no-vacation nation". Only 10 days of paid leave — that's what the average worker in the private sector receives a year, and it’s far less than in most advanced economies. But sadly, having the opportunity to take a deserved break does not automatically lead to people using it.
Sometimes employees feel guilty about leaving their projects behind, other times they fear losing coworkers’ respect. But when it's a shameless boss who denies their well-reasoned request, it's a whole other story. A few days ago, Redditor spr_t shared a screenshot of a conversation with their manager informing them about feeling ill. As it turns out, even a doctor’s note has little effect on a supervisor who believes typing out a text means you’re not sick enough to skip work.
"I lost my job of 3 years because of this," the user wrote and inspired others to chime in with their own experiences. Bored Panda has collected some of the most surprising replies from the thread, so be sure to read them right below. And if you have any similar stories to share, tell us all about them in the comments.
Recently, a worker shared a conversation with their manager on the AntiWork subreddit revealing how they were fired for taking time off
Their post inspired some Redditors to chime in with similar experiences
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Good that someone knew how to handle that properly, and didn't blame you for being there.
We managed to get in touch with user spr_t who was kind enough to have a little chat with us. They revealed they got the idea to share this conversation after posting it on OSHA: "Someone messaged me and recommended I post it [on Anti Work]." They did not expect this thread to get as much engagement as it did but appreciate the support. As of today, the screenshot has collected over 60.2K upvotes and more than 4K comments where people shared their own stories and opinions about this situation.
"I believe that the post gained so much attention and support because a lot of people have faced similar experiences. America’s labor laws have come a long way but still, there are many loopholes varying from state to state. In my state (Texas), it is legal to fire someone after providing a work note," they said.
When asked how they are feeling about this whole incident, spr_t told Bored Panda they realized there isn’t much they can do. "Some of the anger and hatred I had towards the subject has subsided and now I’m just looking for a new job which isn’t as easy as it seems," the user revealed. "In life, people have to realize that no matter how much work and time you put into something (especially jobs), it’s never certain or secured," they added.
March 2020, I was sick af and wasn't able to work even remotely. Had already seen a doc and was suggested to take rest. A manager (that I didn't even report to) called and forced me to go for a Covid Test which the doctor said wasn't required based on symptoms I was showing. The test result came negative and the said manager forced me to be at work because I am not really 'sick'.
According to the "No-Vacation Nation" report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research, the European Union requires to give workers employed in the EU at least 20 working days of paid vacation. However, many member countries go above that number, for example, France requires at least 30 paid vacation days off, and that’s not including paid holidays. The UK mandates 28, then Austria, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Spain all require 25, and Portugal has to provide at least 22 working days of paid vacation per year.
"The United States continues to be the only advanced economy that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation," the researchers wrote. "Without a federal paid vacation policy, close to one in four Americans have no paid vacation (23 percent) and no paid holidays (22 percent)," they added that these figures seem to be on the same level since 2013.
It's the manager's job to cover your shift, not yours and especially not a teenager
It's also the manager's fault for not keeping track of vacation requests! And even if he/she lost track and the problem was brought up, they should have resolved it like a responsible person.
Load More Replies...I ended up in the er in the middle of the night and since my husband is in the Army and was in another state training, my 16 year old had to take me and stay with me. He was a server at the time and called out and was told that he could only miss work if someone covered his shift. Which he had to find. No one would answer his calls or return texts. I even called his manager to explain and she said the same thing to me. Kids should not be responsible for finding someone to work for them, especially when dealing with other kids.
I went to a private highschool on a scholarship that required for me to participate in an extracurricular activity. So I tried out of a lot of things, and i made the cheerleading team. I was roughly 15 at the time and I had a little job at Chick fil a. When I was interviewed I told them I was a cheerleader and needed to go to the games. They would print the schedules pretty far in advance and I saw I was scheduled on a game day. I immediately told the manager I couldn't work that day. He told me that when you have a job sometimes you can't go to every game you want to go to. I told him I couldn't miss any games, but he didn't change the schedule and was surprised that I didn't show up. In retrospect I probably didn't explain it was a scholarship requirement but I was shy at that age. When he asked if given the choice again would I do it the same way, I was like "yeah. I think I have to quit." I still wonder why a grown man would think a 15 year old has any say I'm where they are after school. It's not like I could drive myself to work. I could only do what I was permitted to do by my parents, right?
Your parents being Boomers really has nothing to do with this. People, teen and adults, got screwed over with/without At Will statuses. It's a little acknowledged truth that all Baby Boomers didn't walk out of high school into a golden economy. Those of us at the end didn't have a very rosy picture. Everyone should be shocked when employers act abysmally. And they should be publicly shamed. That man did you a favor by tossing you out of his hell hole. I got fired from a horrible job when I was 19 and sent the b***h that did it a thank you note. And another one to the b***h that trained me incorrectly because she was mad that her friend didn't get the job in the first place. I hope all 3 of them stayed there for 30+ years.
Yes it is the managers job to cover shifts and find replacements, but it has become the new "normal" to demand the worker (no matter the severity of the injury or illness) find their replacement, work or be terminated. Not even remotely legal in most cases when documented by a Dr. It's just amazing and horrifying how far this nation is sliding down a rabbit hole of deciding that the very backbone of our commerce is nothing more than conscripted workers that can be used, abused and summarily terminated because we didn't or couldn't slit our wrists for their greed.
I had a job as an auto mechanic and was a volunteer fire fighter. I asked for a particular half day off well in advance and was approved. That day came and I reminded my manager that morning that I'd be off that afternoon. He told me I had to work because they had to many jobs. I said I was taking the afternoon off as previously scheduled. He said if I left I was fired. I left. The next day I was told to get my things and leave. I went straight to the unemployment office and filed. The company tried to dispute the unemployment. I said I was promised that afternoon off in advance and I had a signed notice. They said they were too busy for me to take off. That I was warned that I would be fired and left anyway. They lost and I applied for jobs I didn't qualify for to draw my unemployment till I decided, 4 weeks later to get another job. Great 1 month vacation.
When I was a worker at domino's (call center), I had the same issue. I asked for a day off months ahead but yet again the supervisor called me to ask me to fill in on that day. I politely said "no, I need this day, this is why I stated it months ahead" and he had the audacity to tell me "C'mon, you can have any other day you want, do it for the team". Again, I responded with "no, I can't do it on that day" and he kept on pushing me so I yelled my mind to him. Got a warning not to yell to my "boss" and on the next day at work, I told them, I had enough of this and gave in my notice. Then took sick leave and adios. Know your grounds and your rights. Nobody can obligate you to work if they agreed that you can take a paid leave and it's on paper!
When I worked at a movie theatre, I was scheduled to work the day of my bridal shower, even though I had told them about it by reporting it to all the right channels, getting it approved, etc, 3 whole months ahead of time. Apparently the live action lion king movie was more important than the approved time off for my bridal shower.
I was newly 21, working at a dress shop in the Mall. My grandfather had a heart attack and died, needless to say I was devastated. I went to work the next day even though I was still crying and miserable. The manager sent me home. I took a couple of days for family responsibilities and his funeral, then returned to work. When my shift was over the owner fired me for taking off, said I wasn't responsible and couldn't be counted on. WTH?? So in addition to losing my beloved Pop, I got fired. It sucked.
I was in college right after leaving the military and I was working at Hardee's part time. I felt kinda sick on Thursday morning and was scheduled to work Friday Saturday and Sunday. I went to the Doctor and tested positive for strep. I told the store manager that I wouldn't be able to make the Friday or Saturday as I had strep and had a doctors note saying was contagious until I had been on antibiotics for 48 hours. He told me that I had to find someone to cover my shift. I had been working there 3 weeks and didn't have anyone's numbers or anything so I told him yea, thats your problem not mine and hung up. I got an angry voicemail at 630 am the next day from the store manager telling me that I was a no call no show and needed to turn in my uniform. When I went back the following week to get my check I threw the uniform at him in his office and here's your s**t and left. Looking back I probably should have sued them for wrongful termination.
At will laws generally don't give companies as much power as they think. Yes a company can technically fire a person for any reason but if that employee decides to sue for unlawful termination then the company better have a good reason for the termination. Simply "it's at will" is almost never enough.
Unions would help, they're there to see to that you're not taken advantage of.
I hated this. I worked part time at a bath products store (had another full time retail job and was a full time college student) which made people find their own coverage. I didn't work there long. I got promoted at the full time retail place and didn't want to deal with shilling raspberry bath gel anymore for four hours a week.
I was desperate and took a job in a small 5 & dime type store. I came down with norovirus (gift from daughter who worked in nursing home). When I called in I too was informed I would need to find my own replacement or work the shift. My response was: 1). The requirement of finding your own replacement should have been mentioned during the hiring process. 2) If I was healthy enough to find my own replacement I wouldn't be calling out. 3) Consider this my two week notice.
My story is similar. First, I hurt my back at work. I worked for a well known gas station. The back injury ruined my life. But I had to keep working since I was a single Mum of 3. Every day it got harder, but I still pushed on. Three years later I was planning a 2 week vacation to see my family 1700 miles away. I posted it on the wall over SIX MONTHS in advance that I was taking two weeks off. The manager was always saying that I couldn't take two weeks off, which everyone else was allowed to. She implied I wouldn't have a job when I got home. Well, I went on my vacation. A week into it I get a call from the assistant manager that I was in the schedule for the following week. So I got a hold of my boss and asked her what's up? She said either I was there for my next shift, or I'm considered a no call/no show. I told her to consider that conversation my call in for the week. Told her I was suffering altitude sickness.
Needless to say, I was unemployed when I returned home. I expected this was going to happen way back when I posted it six months ahead. They considered me a 'quit' so I couldn't draw unemployment. I rolled up in there when I got home, the boss pulled in next to me. She got out and said, "I hope you don't think you're getting your job back!" I said, "nope! Wouldn't want it back! The manager is a b***h!(Talking to the manager). I just need you to sign this paper for me " And that was that. Never got anything from my back injury that has me bedridden now. Nothing for working for them for 5 years and then being fired over something so petty. It's not like I asked to be paid for my vacation🙄
Load More Replies...I had a similar problem where I had asked not to be scheduled for a two day window 9 months in advance and was told I wasn't allowed to not be at work since I wasn't a full time employee and didn't get vacation days. It was a measly 3 hour shift too
Try giving your job a 6-week notice that you're going to have a procedure, only to receive an email the day before the procedure "allowing" you to take the day off. Honestly, I'm ready to say F U to this job! I stand 100% of the day, work well past my scheduled hours, and I'm waiting 4 months longer than I should have for my evaluation and guaranteed bump in pay. I do not feel like a valued employee.
I mean.....everyone should be able to take sick and personal days without risk of losing their employment. Especially when they communicate them months in advance.
I got fired in 1993, just before the FMLA went into effect because I needed more than the four weeks maternity leave offered, per three doctors, and my employer said come back to work now or you're gone! Happily the company went out of business a couple years later!
My first job did that to me too. I was traveling 2 hours away for job interviews for when I moved to college in that town. I had traded shifts with someone else. I had worked the other person's shift and that morning that person called in and said they couldn't work my shift. Work called me. I said I couldn't make it in. I was already 2 hours away. My boss just hung up on me. When I came back for my next scheduled shift she told me she had to write me up as a no-call no-show. Even though she had approved the trade slip and even though I had been contacted and told her I wouldn't be in. I was so mad. I did fight with her and then handed her my 2 week notice. This boss also called my school to have me come in early for work. I wasn't answering my cell phone so she looked up my school's number and called and asked for me. The secretary was like "She has classes until 3:35." I was scheduled 4p-8:30p. When I got there my boss had already gone home, but I had a note about being available.
Selena Rezvani, a leadership expert, speaker, and author of Pushback: How Smart Women Ask — and Stand Up — for What They Want, told Bored Panda that even though paid time off is a benefit given to many workers, workplaces often have the right to decide how that time is taken off, "for example how PTO should be requested and with how much notice."
"That means firing is actually a possibility with at-will employment, provided it’s not for an EEOC-related [Equal Employment Opportunity Commission] reason. Obviously, it sets a negative precedent to police or over-restrict people’s PTO. Remember, this is a benefit that employees have an expectation that they can control — for example when they use PTO, for how long and based on their own justifications. Taking that away erodes trust and wellbeing and cultivates exactly what you don’t want — fear," Rezvani added.
I had a stomach bug once at a call center, I had to ask the person on the phone if I could put them on hold so that I could go vomit. My manager asked me are you sure you're not pregnant? Because women can't just get the stomach flu, right?
The leadership expert noted that when managers intimidate or threaten to fire their employees for taking time off, it can make workers feel hesitant to use their paid days at all. "The power play in using PTO is fraught with all kinds of worries: will I appear lazy or uncommitted? Will my manager think I’m not sharing the load? Will they see me as lacking in work ethic?"
I *hope* the mill manager's reaction was actually an uncharacteristic irrational response. People often don't behave in the "expected" way in stressful situations. If the manager was otherwise decent, the frustration displayed could have been their externally displayed coping mechanism. One of my managers (an otherwise amazingly generous and supportive person) heard that a coworker's sister had died unexpectedly that morning and had a small giggling fit because her brain just didn't process the information correctly. I want to know what the overall pattern of behaviour is before I judge someone for being terrible humans.
I am one of those managers who honestly doesn't care. I will never understand how some managers feel the need to treat other people like that! Do they honestly think it creates the best environment for workers to do their job?
She explained that our reluctance in taking time off is evidence of this. "More than half of Americans don’t take all their PTO in a year — compared to France where 90 percent of people take all their PTO. This could also show up in a reluctance to fully disconnect during time off. When Americans do take vacations, 41 percent are checking into work while away and a whopping 84 percent of executives have canceled vacations in order to work. Managers need to normalize encouraging people to fully unplug when taking PTO!"
When asked what would be an appropriate reaction from the management when employees ask for PTO, Rezvani said they should "go out of your way to accommodate it and try not to probe for an explanation of what they’re doing in their time off. If they want to tell you, they will — but they shouldn’t be obligated."
Target, in Cali! I'm not sure if the policy is still in place now, but you were required to clock out for 30 minutes if you were working more than 7 hours or something like that. Also, you were required to take said lunch before you've worked 5 hours or more. If you didn't, you got a write up and after so many, you'd get canned. This was so frustrating because there were no exceptions. If you were busy with a customer or on the only register open on a busy day and couldn't clock out for the break in time, oh well! Most of the time it was up to team leader or supervisor to relieve you, unless you were working on the floor, like stocking or facing. Well there I was, on a register while my team lead is on one too. I finally get relieved 5 hours and 45 minutes into my shift and clock out late for my lunch (for the last time). The next shift, they pulled me into the office and fired me for violating company policy AND California state law. BULLSH*T!
Other users were appalled by the manager's behavior, here's what they had to say
When I worked for a New England Housing Authority, I took one week bereavement and one week PTO when my mother died and I had to fly back to Illinois. When I came back, I was berated for work that was done in my absence by another employee. They sent me home to "think about how much my job meant to me" for a few days unpaid. Turns out, my mother dying ruined my supervisor's vacation plans and she told people she was done with me and would hound me until I quit or got fired. On the way home, I told myself I'm not going back. I called a friend at an employment agency from the car. That was a Thursday, I started a new job on Tuesday. I've been at this job for 14 years. Don't think I didn't call them back and tell them to f**k right off. Then I called my supervisor's boss and told him that she always has vodka nips in her purse and often appears in intoxicated after lunch. I told him it was the truth and everyone was aware of it. They approached her the next week, found her drunk at work
then fired her. A week later she got caught boning her best friend's husband. She hid in their closet during the fight and then the woman beat her @ss. After that, her husband kicked her out and took the kids on the vacation that had been cancelled. I ran into her a few months later and walked up to her and said, "Karma's a b***h, just like you." I always joke my mom ruined her life from the beyond because as beautiful as she was, you didn't f**k with her kids. Thanks mom.
Load More Replies...I tried working as a seasonal retail employee one year as a second job. I happened to get a migraine on the worst day of the year: Black Friday. I called and called and called, finally got the b*tchiest supervisor who yelled at me and told me I'd lose my job if I didn't come in. Girl, I'm here for holiday money, my life does not revolve around the retail shopping season. I mean I felt bad but there was nothing I could do. I'll just never forget her reaction that I had the audacity to be sick
Migraines are no joke. Not everyone understands how terrible they really are.
Load More Replies...I see posts every day on my social media about "people are entitled and lazy and don't want to work." Stories like this are why. No one wants to work when sick or while being treated like a human being but a working robot.
Never got fired for taking pto however had a boss/owner get pissy with me about wanting a day off the 2nd week of January. He said something along the lines of "the year just started and you already need a day off? I replied does is matter if the year month or week just started? If I need a day I need a day and for your information I need it to take my mom for surgery. Watching him squirm after that was hilarious. The best part was it wasn't for my mom, but I knew that response would make him uncomfortable for even questioning me.
As if you had some sort of vacation before the new year... It doesn't matter the year just started, if you worked the whole previous year without rest...
Load More Replies...The stupidity of these managers are ridiculous. I had a manager once to tell me to leave my 11 year old son in the hospital with ketoacidosis alone to work my shift. She said " can't someone else watch him, he's not going anywhere sometimes we got to suck it up buttercup" needless to say no I didn't go in and I won't ever not take care if my child for a job
I worked at a place where one of the managers used that exact phrase on me. I put in my two weeks notice. About two weeks after i got a new job we heard that that facility had a mass firing of the managing staff and all new managers.
Load More Replies...I have never understood managers who demand employees find their own replacement. IMO, they are horrible managers and shouldn't be in that position. They as the manager are responsible for staffing, which includes flexible work force to cover those times when others need time off.
Our part time staff we figure out coverage if they need to take time, but Assistant Directors or higher need to find our own coverage - but we are all good at covering for each other.
Load More Replies...Worst employer story I ever heard - our equipment supplier was going through mass layoffs. This left their repair team short-staffed. One guy was out on sick leave after major surgery. Boss called him and asked if there was any way he could come in; they were swamped and desperate. Guy got special release from doctor and showed up for work - where he was promptly laid off. (It wasn't legal to lay off someone on FMLA, but he was fair game once he returned)
Worked for a company that the president was well known for firing people after they took their PTO because nothing disastrous happened while they were out, so apparently they weren’t needed. The key was to plan to work at least one day while on vacay to prove your were necessary. 🙄 I swear one of the managers purposely held on to minor jobs, knowing I was going on vacation, only to have them be an emergency situation the first day I was off requiring me to login and do the thing, and then be left alone for the rest of my vacation. Sadly, the president was always proven wrong about those people not being needed, but refused to reverse her decisions regardless of how much it caused issues.
I got fired from Chico's while pregnant, because I'd get all day morning sickness which was made worse by smelling people , ( not just B. O. regular people odor, perfume,), there was trouble for improper scheduling , ((people wanted 10 hours, minimum is 20 hours, because they didn't need the job, just wanted the discounts) so your hours would be say , 8am- 3:30-4:30 pm ) rather than waiting for the doctors note ( I was being put on bed rest, because I was losing weight from vomiting, instead of gaining) , they fired me, 4 moths pregnant, over the phone. Why, to reallocate the hours.
Left work early because sick, stomach HURTING. Next day, day off. Drive to get child food cuz I can't stand for long because of pain. Manager saw me "out" (of my sick bed?) Kid has to eat! Call in next day, and he brings it up, that I was feeling well enough to drive the day before! Was in hospital that afternoon, pain was gall bladder.
When I was a new RN, I had spoken with another RN about switching shifts because I had concert tix. Spoke with her twice, well in advance & she agreed. Night of the concert rolls around & I get a call from Hubby saying work called & wanted to know why I wasn't there for my shift. I called, said so-n-so was covering my shift. She wasn't there & when contacted said she never agreed to the swap. I told them I could not return because I was 2 hrs away and had a passenger with me. I was also in the Reserves at the time & always provided my drill weekends at the beginning of the calendar year. The 3rd time I was called for not showing up for my shift (on a drill weekend) I showed up in full uniform, walked to the scheduling book behind the nurses station, cancelled ALL scheduling conflicts not saying a word. It took my coworkers a few minutes to realize it was me, then asked: are you coming in to work? I said no, slammed down the scheduling book and walked out. What they did was illegal AF!
We get fired for too many points. We have PTO, but still get points for using it if it was not planned ahead of time.
Instead of it being called "Paid Time Off" should it be called "Planned Time Off"?
Load More Replies...Had a retail manager threaten to fire me because I'm one of those people whose eyes stay dilated for a few days after the doctor puts the drops in. The eye doctor said it's fine, just wear sunglasses. Every couple hours for three days, the manager would come tell me to take off my sunglasses. I told her the doctor said not to until my eyes went back to normal. She said she didn't believe they stayed that long and I said she didn't have to; that's why I saw the doctor for my eye exam and not her. She said if I didn't leave them off the next day, I'd be fired. So I called out the rest of the week. Said I would bring a note when I came back. The doctor was pissed, so the note was pretty awesome.
I was a third key-holder for a retail clothing store. The store manager saw I was sick and told me to go directly to the ED and she wanted to talk to the doctor who saw me. I was diagnosed with pneumonia and told to do bedrest for 4 days. My manager told me if I tried to come in before those 4 days were up I would be sent directly home. I was lucky in my career to have good managers who cared more about me than the stores.
Not work related, but my tails of ‘your not sick’ started young. When I was in elementary school I had gone up to the nurses office 3x because I said I didn’t feel good. They took my temp, and since I didn’t have a fever they sent me back to class. Well… the 4th time I went into the office, I didn’t even make it to the nurses office before I projectile vomited all over the secretaries desk. The look on her face was mortifying. I got to go home after that.
It's called FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act). If you declare you're out on medical leave, your job is secured. Periodt. Can't mess with an act of congress.
I had a job at a debt charity answering phone, when i was hired i told them i had severe asthma. About a month after i started i had a stomach bug and missed 1 day then 2 months later i had a bad asthma attack and missed another day, i literally fell down trying to walk to the training station because i couldn't breath. They made me talk to a nurse who told them people with asthma are more likely to be sick and more severely sick and they fixed me barədə on that
Well, for one, I think I’d like to read what happened with the original poster! Nothing like an incomplete story that leaves readers hanging, BP!!
Boss: sexually assaults me every chance he gets - groping, grabbing, forcefully trying to kiss me, etc. Me: single parent, starts looking for other job, but haven't found one yet. Boss: tells me he knows I'm looking for another job, lays me off & fights unemployment claim so I can't get any money at all. (He couldn't outright fire me because I hadn't done anything wrong & was worried I'd sue him & his wife would find out about the sexual assaults.) Fast forward 3 years: boss' father dies, turns out he owned everything & they hated each other, so the father left NOTHING to the son (the boss). Boss loses everything, has to liquidate whatever inventory was left in the business & leaves the country. Never saw him again. Karma.
I had a boss get snappy with a nurse who kept repeating that no, I couldn't speak with my manager, because I was on a fking ventilator with severe pneumonia. Another manager got pissed at me that I wasn't promptly answering calls. I had scheduled myself for a day off on December 26th. We never had anyone in the office the entire week between December 24th and Jan 1st. I'd come in just to keep systems running, but I'd be literally the only person in the office (or my husband, who worked on another team, would come in with me). She could have checked the calendar to see that I had requested off that day 3 months in advance *and she approved it* so she had no reason to get pissy except that she didn't like me (and she made it known quite frequently). She finally gave me an ultimatum, that because I was a contractor, I needed to reapply for my job, and oh, wouldn't you know it, they were eliminating my position. K, hope you like all the systems going down!
I got written up once for miscounting $40. I had tried to call out for a migraine but store manager screamed at me until I agreed to come in.
I worked night shift (alone) in a small hospital laboratory. Never called off except one time when I threw out my back. I called in and my replacement couldn’t work due to gallbladder issues. I could barely walk, let alone bend over. I stupidly came in to work anyhow. I had to get the house supervisor to put my 20 liter cube of reagent up on the shelf when it ran out. I also had to go to the farthest hospital rooms to draw blood several times. Bending down to draw blood was very painful. I did learn I’m a bad shot at the trash can, because I would wait and only pick up my missed trash after there were several surrounding the can. It’s been over 30 years and I’m still mad about having to work.
The standing at the register as a cashier Is one of the most outrageous And disturbing thing about US i've ever heard of. Why the f**k can't you sit down? I've never seen cashier stand up in my country and i wouldn't want them to work under such ridiculous terms...
I'm happy to have unlimited sick days (within reason), family sick days (so I can tend to my child while my wife is sick) and a corporate culture that only hires people who would never abuse these policies as either worker or manager. The rest of these places can f**k right off.
America is crazy and the "right to work" laws (really is "right for rich employers to exploit the employees) will never change unless you get rid of those damnable rethuglicans.
Worked for Target once. I ended up hospitalized for severe pneumonia on Black Friday weekend. My husband had to call me in because I was hooked up to oxygen because I could barely breathe. When I was able to return I found my hours had been cut to 12 a week. When I asked why, I was told it was basically punishment for being out, and I couldn't have the department transfer I had requested because they weren't going to "reward bad behavior" I got sick from working there, almost died from the severity of the pneumonia, was in the hospital for 2 weeks, and that was bad behavior. I gave them the big "f**k you" and found a new job. Losers.
We (the US) need to stop protecting all these other countries military and bring all that spending back home to make this a place where we can have the niceties that the Europeans have because we keep them from having to spend thier money to defend themselves. Close almost all the bases in Europe, Asia, Middle East and bring that money back home for infrastructure and the betterment of our people.
That's not why we don't have the nice things other countries have. We can afford it. It's the entire system. Jobs should not have a caste. We couldn't do it without cashiers, retail workers, service or blue collar jobs. But those jobs are often treated like "it's something teenagers do for pocket money" on the one hand, and something that they want you to have experience and professionalism and even a degree on the other hand. And the people who do those jobs are often treated as something less. THAT is the problem. Not military spending.
Load More Replies...This article is a little misleading and the examples are not necessarily complete. PTO is normally the equivalent of vacation or personal time. Many, if not all, of these examples reference asking to take sick time, that's not the same as PTO. Most companies have written policies for how much sick time can be taken before one's job is threatened. Some of these stories are missing context. Was that their first time calling out sick? Do they have a pattern of calling out sick? Are they alotted a specific amount of sick hours/days in a given period which they have already used up? From my experience managing employees I can give many examples of individuals who used every minute of their sick time for the year in January. It's still the employee's job to know the time off policies at their place of business, be responsible with their time and manage their available hours appropriately.
Oh if that where true everywhere. PTO and sick time are one in the same in a lot of hospitals and you are forced to use it in ridiculous ways. And if you're sick, YOURE SICK, there's nothing to manage.
Load More Replies...When I worked for a New England Housing Authority, I took one week bereavement and one week PTO when my mother died and I had to fly back to Illinois. When I came back, I was berated for work that was done in my absence by another employee. They sent me home to "think about how much my job meant to me" for a few days unpaid. Turns out, my mother dying ruined my supervisor's vacation plans and she told people she was done with me and would hound me until I quit or got fired. On the way home, I told myself I'm not going back. I called a friend at an employment agency from the car. That was a Thursday, I started a new job on Tuesday. I've been at this job for 14 years. Don't think I didn't call them back and tell them to f**k right off. Then I called my supervisor's boss and told him that she always has vodka nips in her purse and often appears in intoxicated after lunch. I told him it was the truth and everyone was aware of it. They approached her the next week, found her drunk at work
then fired her. A week later she got caught boning her best friend's husband. She hid in their closet during the fight and then the woman beat her @ss. After that, her husband kicked her out and took the kids on the vacation that had been cancelled. I ran into her a few months later and walked up to her and said, "Karma's a b***h, just like you." I always joke my mom ruined her life from the beyond because as beautiful as she was, you didn't f**k with her kids. Thanks mom.
Load More Replies...I tried working as a seasonal retail employee one year as a second job. I happened to get a migraine on the worst day of the year: Black Friday. I called and called and called, finally got the b*tchiest supervisor who yelled at me and told me I'd lose my job if I didn't come in. Girl, I'm here for holiday money, my life does not revolve around the retail shopping season. I mean I felt bad but there was nothing I could do. I'll just never forget her reaction that I had the audacity to be sick
Migraines are no joke. Not everyone understands how terrible they really are.
Load More Replies...I see posts every day on my social media about "people are entitled and lazy and don't want to work." Stories like this are why. No one wants to work when sick or while being treated like a human being but a working robot.
Never got fired for taking pto however had a boss/owner get pissy with me about wanting a day off the 2nd week of January. He said something along the lines of "the year just started and you already need a day off? I replied does is matter if the year month or week just started? If I need a day I need a day and for your information I need it to take my mom for surgery. Watching him squirm after that was hilarious. The best part was it wasn't for my mom, but I knew that response would make him uncomfortable for even questioning me.
As if you had some sort of vacation before the new year... It doesn't matter the year just started, if you worked the whole previous year without rest...
Load More Replies...The stupidity of these managers are ridiculous. I had a manager once to tell me to leave my 11 year old son in the hospital with ketoacidosis alone to work my shift. She said " can't someone else watch him, he's not going anywhere sometimes we got to suck it up buttercup" needless to say no I didn't go in and I won't ever not take care if my child for a job
I worked at a place where one of the managers used that exact phrase on me. I put in my two weeks notice. About two weeks after i got a new job we heard that that facility had a mass firing of the managing staff and all new managers.
Load More Replies...I have never understood managers who demand employees find their own replacement. IMO, they are horrible managers and shouldn't be in that position. They as the manager are responsible for staffing, which includes flexible work force to cover those times when others need time off.
Our part time staff we figure out coverage if they need to take time, but Assistant Directors or higher need to find our own coverage - but we are all good at covering for each other.
Load More Replies...Worst employer story I ever heard - our equipment supplier was going through mass layoffs. This left their repair team short-staffed. One guy was out on sick leave after major surgery. Boss called him and asked if there was any way he could come in; they were swamped and desperate. Guy got special release from doctor and showed up for work - where he was promptly laid off. (It wasn't legal to lay off someone on FMLA, but he was fair game once he returned)
Worked for a company that the president was well known for firing people after they took their PTO because nothing disastrous happened while they were out, so apparently they weren’t needed. The key was to plan to work at least one day while on vacay to prove your were necessary. 🙄 I swear one of the managers purposely held on to minor jobs, knowing I was going on vacation, only to have them be an emergency situation the first day I was off requiring me to login and do the thing, and then be left alone for the rest of my vacation. Sadly, the president was always proven wrong about those people not being needed, but refused to reverse her decisions regardless of how much it caused issues.
I got fired from Chico's while pregnant, because I'd get all day morning sickness which was made worse by smelling people , ( not just B. O. regular people odor, perfume,), there was trouble for improper scheduling , ((people wanted 10 hours, minimum is 20 hours, because they didn't need the job, just wanted the discounts) so your hours would be say , 8am- 3:30-4:30 pm ) rather than waiting for the doctors note ( I was being put on bed rest, because I was losing weight from vomiting, instead of gaining) , they fired me, 4 moths pregnant, over the phone. Why, to reallocate the hours.
Left work early because sick, stomach HURTING. Next day, day off. Drive to get child food cuz I can't stand for long because of pain. Manager saw me "out" (of my sick bed?) Kid has to eat! Call in next day, and he brings it up, that I was feeling well enough to drive the day before! Was in hospital that afternoon, pain was gall bladder.
When I was a new RN, I had spoken with another RN about switching shifts because I had concert tix. Spoke with her twice, well in advance & she agreed. Night of the concert rolls around & I get a call from Hubby saying work called & wanted to know why I wasn't there for my shift. I called, said so-n-so was covering my shift. She wasn't there & when contacted said she never agreed to the swap. I told them I could not return because I was 2 hrs away and had a passenger with me. I was also in the Reserves at the time & always provided my drill weekends at the beginning of the calendar year. The 3rd time I was called for not showing up for my shift (on a drill weekend) I showed up in full uniform, walked to the scheduling book behind the nurses station, cancelled ALL scheduling conflicts not saying a word. It took my coworkers a few minutes to realize it was me, then asked: are you coming in to work? I said no, slammed down the scheduling book and walked out. What they did was illegal AF!
We get fired for too many points. We have PTO, but still get points for using it if it was not planned ahead of time.
Instead of it being called "Paid Time Off" should it be called "Planned Time Off"?
Load More Replies...Had a retail manager threaten to fire me because I'm one of those people whose eyes stay dilated for a few days after the doctor puts the drops in. The eye doctor said it's fine, just wear sunglasses. Every couple hours for three days, the manager would come tell me to take off my sunglasses. I told her the doctor said not to until my eyes went back to normal. She said she didn't believe they stayed that long and I said she didn't have to; that's why I saw the doctor for my eye exam and not her. She said if I didn't leave them off the next day, I'd be fired. So I called out the rest of the week. Said I would bring a note when I came back. The doctor was pissed, so the note was pretty awesome.
I was a third key-holder for a retail clothing store. The store manager saw I was sick and told me to go directly to the ED and she wanted to talk to the doctor who saw me. I was diagnosed with pneumonia and told to do bedrest for 4 days. My manager told me if I tried to come in before those 4 days were up I would be sent directly home. I was lucky in my career to have good managers who cared more about me than the stores.
Not work related, but my tails of ‘your not sick’ started young. When I was in elementary school I had gone up to the nurses office 3x because I said I didn’t feel good. They took my temp, and since I didn’t have a fever they sent me back to class. Well… the 4th time I went into the office, I didn’t even make it to the nurses office before I projectile vomited all over the secretaries desk. The look on her face was mortifying. I got to go home after that.
It's called FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act). If you declare you're out on medical leave, your job is secured. Periodt. Can't mess with an act of congress.
I had a job at a debt charity answering phone, when i was hired i told them i had severe asthma. About a month after i started i had a stomach bug and missed 1 day then 2 months later i had a bad asthma attack and missed another day, i literally fell down trying to walk to the training station because i couldn't breath. They made me talk to a nurse who told them people with asthma are more likely to be sick and more severely sick and they fixed me barədə on that
Well, for one, I think I’d like to read what happened with the original poster! Nothing like an incomplete story that leaves readers hanging, BP!!
Boss: sexually assaults me every chance he gets - groping, grabbing, forcefully trying to kiss me, etc. Me: single parent, starts looking for other job, but haven't found one yet. Boss: tells me he knows I'm looking for another job, lays me off & fights unemployment claim so I can't get any money at all. (He couldn't outright fire me because I hadn't done anything wrong & was worried I'd sue him & his wife would find out about the sexual assaults.) Fast forward 3 years: boss' father dies, turns out he owned everything & they hated each other, so the father left NOTHING to the son (the boss). Boss loses everything, has to liquidate whatever inventory was left in the business & leaves the country. Never saw him again. Karma.
I had a boss get snappy with a nurse who kept repeating that no, I couldn't speak with my manager, because I was on a fking ventilator with severe pneumonia. Another manager got pissed at me that I wasn't promptly answering calls. I had scheduled myself for a day off on December 26th. We never had anyone in the office the entire week between December 24th and Jan 1st. I'd come in just to keep systems running, but I'd be literally the only person in the office (or my husband, who worked on another team, would come in with me). She could have checked the calendar to see that I had requested off that day 3 months in advance *and she approved it* so she had no reason to get pissy except that she didn't like me (and she made it known quite frequently). She finally gave me an ultimatum, that because I was a contractor, I needed to reapply for my job, and oh, wouldn't you know it, they were eliminating my position. K, hope you like all the systems going down!
I got written up once for miscounting $40. I had tried to call out for a migraine but store manager screamed at me until I agreed to come in.
I worked night shift (alone) in a small hospital laboratory. Never called off except one time when I threw out my back. I called in and my replacement couldn’t work due to gallbladder issues. I could barely walk, let alone bend over. I stupidly came in to work anyhow. I had to get the house supervisor to put my 20 liter cube of reagent up on the shelf when it ran out. I also had to go to the farthest hospital rooms to draw blood several times. Bending down to draw blood was very painful. I did learn I’m a bad shot at the trash can, because I would wait and only pick up my missed trash after there were several surrounding the can. It’s been over 30 years and I’m still mad about having to work.
The standing at the register as a cashier Is one of the most outrageous And disturbing thing about US i've ever heard of. Why the f**k can't you sit down? I've never seen cashier stand up in my country and i wouldn't want them to work under such ridiculous terms...
I'm happy to have unlimited sick days (within reason), family sick days (so I can tend to my child while my wife is sick) and a corporate culture that only hires people who would never abuse these policies as either worker or manager. The rest of these places can f**k right off.
America is crazy and the "right to work" laws (really is "right for rich employers to exploit the employees) will never change unless you get rid of those damnable rethuglicans.
Worked for Target once. I ended up hospitalized for severe pneumonia on Black Friday weekend. My husband had to call me in because I was hooked up to oxygen because I could barely breathe. When I was able to return I found my hours had been cut to 12 a week. When I asked why, I was told it was basically punishment for being out, and I couldn't have the department transfer I had requested because they weren't going to "reward bad behavior" I got sick from working there, almost died from the severity of the pneumonia, was in the hospital for 2 weeks, and that was bad behavior. I gave them the big "f**k you" and found a new job. Losers.
We (the US) need to stop protecting all these other countries military and bring all that spending back home to make this a place where we can have the niceties that the Europeans have because we keep them from having to spend thier money to defend themselves. Close almost all the bases in Europe, Asia, Middle East and bring that money back home for infrastructure and the betterment of our people.
That's not why we don't have the nice things other countries have. We can afford it. It's the entire system. Jobs should not have a caste. We couldn't do it without cashiers, retail workers, service or blue collar jobs. But those jobs are often treated like "it's something teenagers do for pocket money" on the one hand, and something that they want you to have experience and professionalism and even a degree on the other hand. And the people who do those jobs are often treated as something less. THAT is the problem. Not military spending.
Load More Replies...This article is a little misleading and the examples are not necessarily complete. PTO is normally the equivalent of vacation or personal time. Many, if not all, of these examples reference asking to take sick time, that's not the same as PTO. Most companies have written policies for how much sick time can be taken before one's job is threatened. Some of these stories are missing context. Was that their first time calling out sick? Do they have a pattern of calling out sick? Are they alotted a specific amount of sick hours/days in a given period which they have already used up? From my experience managing employees I can give many examples of individuals who used every minute of their sick time for the year in January. It's still the employee's job to know the time off policies at their place of business, be responsible with their time and manage their available hours appropriately.
Oh if that where true everywhere. PTO and sick time are one in the same in a lot of hospitals and you are forced to use it in ridiculous ways. And if you're sick, YOURE SICK, there's nothing to manage.
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