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I Asked Our Community What They Think Is Not Illegal But Should Be, 45 Responded
There are things that are considered wrong by a lot of people, however, one cannot do anything about them because they don't violate the law. Keeping that in mind, I asked the Bored Panda community to share some examples of what they think should be illegal but is not. Apparently, there are many things!
Here are the responses from our Pandas. What do you think should be illegal but is not? Let me know in the comments!
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Children's beauty pageants - parading kids in lipstick and padded bikinis - is wrong.
Removing puppies' tails or ears for cosmetic purposes. One of the most stupid things ever done to an animal.
Wait....this is a Real thing? Why would anyone be so stupid to do that. OMG!
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I pet sit for a friend who just had to have her dog's (Weimaraner) tail docked BECAUSE of continual injury. The vet called it happy tail. The breed has an extremely long and fine tail. So when "Gary" would get excited (which was also a constant) he would wag furiously hitting it against cabinet corners, furniture etc. It was NOT her wish to have to do this because as an adult dog it would be more painful. She tried everything to get the tail healed up to & including wrapping the tail in pipe insulation. As soon as it healed....bam!! opened up and broke the poor guys tail. She hated doing it but the alternative is painful breaks, and blood which every time he injured it splattered blood "Gary DNA" all over. Like ALL OVER floor to ceiling. Now it's Happy Gary!
PS: Gary was brought to the Vet every single time he was injured. The procedure was Vet recommended. thumbnail_...01fff2.jpg 
Fair enough, but we are talking about tail/ear removal for cosmetic purposes, done to puppies.
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I got my boxer at 11 weeks and found out that the pictures were always shot the same way because they docked his tail without permission.
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I agree. It should. And I thought it was illegal everywhere. In the Netherlands that's illegal. Unless of course its for medical reasons. You can get 3 years in jail and a fine up to 20.500 euro. That's about 25,000 dollars.
Removing the claws of a cat is barbaric! Imagine someone pulling off your fingernails and the nail bed remains sore for the rest of your life?!?!!?
And declawing as well! Fortunately banned in my country but still common (and very cruel) practice in others
It illegal in most places are the biggest defenders of this practice is Kennel Clubs because of "breed standards." In some places they have exceptions to this law for working dogs, like sheep or herding dogs, to decrease more serious injuries from predators.
The Kennel Club has a lot to answer for. "Breed standards" have led to animals who needlessly suffer their entire lives.
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It's all part of the appalling obsession with 'purebreeds' and trying to reshape nature. Pugs that can't breathe, Shepherds with bum hips, the list is endless
Declawing cats too. The us is one of the only countries left that doesn't outlaw it outright and it pisses me off.
keyword: cosmetic purposes. sometimes, depending if the dog is a working dog, removal of a "part" is beneficial to avoid future injury. good example of this would be dew claws as they can be literally ripped off.
I believe it is legal in parts of the United States.
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I do support tail docking just because breeds such as bullies can hurt themselves if it's not done, they have no protection on their very strong tails and they hit them on everything
Many owners that remove tails only do it in areas where dog fighting is prevalent, and they do it because a dog has less balance without a tail and can't be used to fight. Or do I've heard. They normally only do it even they're a couple days old at most because most of the blood vessels haven't formed yet and the nerves are minimal to non-existent. Ear clipping is bad though.
And there are still places that declaw cats. For those who don't know what that incorperates-look at your hand, now imagine your hand-not only without nails-BUT YOURE FIRST KNUCKLE HAS BEEN REMOVED AS WELL!!! It's disgusting! And there are still places that de-fang and sew rattlesnakes mouths shut so they can show them off to kids in a "safe" manner. This prevents them from being able to eat as well as causes them a great deal of discomfort and pain! THESE ANIMALS ARE NOT MENT TO BE SAFE! DONT MUTILATE THEM FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR OWN GREED!!!
We have a cat, but she isn’t declawed. The reason why cats are declawed are mainly for the sake of preventing the cats from a, hurting people and pets with them, b, either not having to get a scratch post or preventing cats from scratching furniture and carpet, and c, because someone says to do it. However, it causes walking impairments to some cats until they learn a way to walk easily. I don’t like it, contrary to popular belief.
Load More Replies... It is absolutely awful. I remember my friend telling me their dad got their ears clipped (Dobermans) and I had to look into why. There's no benefit, no point. He ended being horrible to the dogs and sees another dog they got from his ex girlfriend (on and off, hopefully forever off now) as an idiot and insulting her a lot. It's so awful. Purely cosmetic surgeries shouldn't be put on animals. It's one thing since humans can decide themselves (even if the plastic surgery industry is quite awful, for purely cosmetic purposes plastic surgery), but animals really can't. And with it having no benefit, it serves no point.
yeah i totally agree! we have a boxer with a cut tail, and unfortunately we were not able to get him before they clipped it. luckily, his ears aren’t clipped. if he had a full length tail, our legs would have scars! (not supporting cutting no anything on a dog)
This is illegal in a lot of places. Many countries have banned it. In the US some states. Wish it were all.
I didn't know this happens 😢 poor puppies. Humans would hate for that to happen to themselves but here we are doing it to our pets 😀
In the UK, dogs tails can now only be docked for medical or working reasons. When I say working reasons, I mean if the kind of work they do will cause injury to a longer tail.
Funny how puppies make the cut but we still circumcise boys and that's just 'OK'. Because it 'looks good'? Seriously? Anyone doing this should be jailed.
Many hunting dog breeds have their tails docked at birth because when they are running after birds etc. in thick undergrowth, and a long tail can get caught on things and cause a lot of damage. But for cosmetic purposes, I absolutely agree that this is a bad practice.
My dog had her tail cut off before I got her. The purpose was that they though her tail was going to get stepped on if they left it... I guess that makes sense, but I'm not sure how careless you'd have to be
Here in Finland it's illegal. I don't understand why in the mightly country of the Brave and Free it's still legal. But actually even worse, I think, is declawing cats and removing vocal cords from dogs. THAT is animal abuse and every person that does that to an animal, should lose their fingers and vocal cords too.
My dog was born with malformed tail bones. They would break if she wagged her tail too hard. We had her tail removed after her first break (banged her tail against a table and cried in pain). Her little tail nub is super cute when she wiggles is though.
A vet I used to go to refused to do it. The reason I stopped going there was because he retired.
Most people that do it do it because they live in areas where people steal dogs for fighting, and a dog with a removed tail has worse balance and can't fight. They only do it when they're very new puppies (couple days at most) because the vessels and nerves have hardly formed and pain/bleeding is minimal to non-existent. Ear clipping is pointless though.
I don't know why anyone would do that to ears, but Brittany Spaniels usually have bobbed tails. A primary reason is that they hunt in prairie and heavy brush, and would either get injured, or get their tails so full of burrs that they would need to be cut out every evening.
It is illegal in every other country other than the USA. For goodness sakes America, catch up with us!
We have a pitbull named Maybel (husband's spelling). We kept her ears & tails natural b/c I could never do that to an animal! Her ears are great & are shaped like Maleficent's horns! LMAO
Docking tails was not originally for cosmetic purposes. It was intended for breeds that are prone to breaking their tails, to prevent injury as an adult. (Much less painful when they are days old and the cartilage is still soft)
It is not stupid, it is downright disgusting and cruel, seems to be an American thing, such an advanced country
I know that some cow dogs have the tails bobbed so the cow isn’t going to step on it and hurt the dog. But I totally agree you shouldn’t do it for cosmetic purposes, it’s just so wrong on so many levels
Working breeds had them removed so they wouldn't get their tails stepped on and become trapped. So sometimes I think it's perfectly fine.
In a similar vein - as a non-American - its always struck me as kinda odd (abusive?) how standard it is for American males to be mutilated... ahem, I mean... circumcised way before they are able to give consent, when there is no reasonable medical requirement (as long as a man has a good hygiene regime, the 'cleanliness' line o thinking doesn't hold much weight).
It’s sometimes for religious reasons, and some people do it for the “health benefits”. I don’t think there is any health benefits for that that will outweigh the risks.
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What a load of nonsense. Boxers haven't been docked here in the UK for about a decade now, and funnily enough they're all just fine with tails. Try not to justify your cruelty with outright lies.
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The Pink Tax and making pads, tampons, and other essential items ridiculously expensive. I recently had to pay 10 dollars for a pack of 24.
we need them. its not like having a period is a choice. its not like when its my time of the month I can just be like "ya know what? I'm not gonna bleed today. I'm super broke."
Politicians voting on their own pay raises.
The American Health Care System. And anyone who makes a profit from it.
Listening to music or videos on your phone in public without headphones!!
Ads that put a fake X in the corner to basically force you into their clickbait.
CEOs making billions of dollars while their employees work 2 or more jobs just to keep a roof over their family’s heads.
How drug companies make “need to live” medical products cost more than one’s paycheck. Example: insulin, EpiPens, and anti-rejection meds for organ transplant patients.
In the U.S., advertising for pharmaceutical drugs. Your healthcare providers should be the ones suggesting what drugs may be beneficial to you, not a bunch of TV commercials.
Bullying. Punishments are too light for both child and adult offenders.
Gender Reveal Parties (or at least the ones that require explosives)
It's so dumb and people are always getting hurt from these. Popping a balloon is one thing, but firing a cannon? Not okay.
Why is everyone so invested in someone's kid's genitals?! The best gender reveal party would involve popping a balloon that sprinkled biodegradable purple confetti, followed by "Yakkity Sax" blasting on speakers while a couple people in fairy wings skip around with signs that say "Gender is a social construct," "Kids are more than gender," and "Ask me about my personally signed copy of Judith Butler's Gender Trouble."
Employers not paying a living wage.
Plastic clam shell packaging. Especially when it's used for a knife or pair of scissors.
For-profit health insurance companies. Another one: for-profit news organizations. I'm tired of "news" being more about evoking a visceral emotional response to get more clicks and money as opposed to thoughtfully laying out facts and reality (appealing to the intellect).
Bullfighting
Not being paid equally because you're not male. Like, how has this not been written into law!
Indeed. Everyone knows it's still happening, but governments aren't changing it, except Iceland. I think they've made it law for all genders to be paid equally.
Spam. Junkmail, that is (not the canned meat product).
Littering. Whoever gets caught dumping their trash somewhere where it doesn't belong (beach, ocean, streets, parks) should pay a fine or face legal proceedings.
Where I live technically you do have to pay a fine, but it isnt ever inforced.
I think that child marriage (marriage below 18) should be illegal with NO exceptions. It creates so much trouble for the kids, yet so many states still have many loopholes. Only a few have a strict ban. NO parental consent, NO exceptions, and KEEP it that way. Sometimes it is used to keep a rapist out of jail because the child is pregnant. There was actually a case, by the way, where a girl's father or mother had her married because her boyfriend got her pregnant while drunk. She only consented because she loved him, and she was happy to be a mother. Sadly, the child miscarried during the wedding, but her folks never got punished for this. Instead, they went to a different state to get consent from a judge. Man, life is wrong!
Lobbying.
Chewing gum and then sticking it on things which are not in a bin should be banished.
Came out of a store, the other day, to find a huge wad of bright blue chewing gum stuck onto my front bumper! I mean, wtf kind of person does that? Luckily it was raining and it just slid off when nudged with the toe of a shoe but STILL! UGH!
The gay panic defense (in some states is banned, most not though). Basically, it’s legal for someone to MURDER a gay person if they claim that they had an “uncontrollable reaction” to seeing a gay person. Yeah. I believe the men who murdered Matthew Shephard tried to use this defense.
Should definitely be banned.
Overloaded sugar in drinks and snacks.
Kissing babies that are not your own!
Wait- eww people do that?? I mean I kiss my baby cousin but she’s my cousin!
Smoking right at the entrance / exit of a building. I always have to cross a "smoke screen" when I exit the train station or want to enter a hospital. Some hospitals have taken action to create a "smoke area" away from their doors and I think it should be so for every public facility.
In the UK you have to be a minimum of 6ft away from an entryway or exit.
Fireworks. They upset my dog.
I think a lot of people would be mad about that because they are a fun tradition for some people. I used to love fireworks, but now I am scared of them because they are dangerous and I don't like loud noise anymore.
Doing things to a child because the parent consented. From kissing to ear piercings to stealing. Especially if the child is old enough to tell you if you can or can't.
Gerrymandering by sitting politicians
Excessive and unnecessary plastic packaging on products.
meta-data harvest/banking and data-profiling.
Especially menstrual cycle apps, now that the pro birthers have won this battle...just not the war
Spreading anti-vax information to any public platform
Any mention of vaccines on Facebook in Australia now gets a link to the real information by the government/health system, regardless if it's about a covid one
Showing school children in programs as being sexually attractive.
Reminds me of a perfume from the 1970s called Love's Baby Soft. Their full-page ad on the backs of magazines offered (yes, that's the right word) a girl of no more than 12 wearing makeup - complete with sticky red lips - looking into the camera, cuddling a teddy bear.
Having a system of government that transfers wealth upwards.
Regulation is the means by which the wealthy and powerful use government to protect their market share. The notion of a "well-regulated free market" is oxymoronic. As information technology expands, economies are increasingly able to be controlled not by regulation, but by informed choices. So Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Disney, GM, Exxon, etc., urgently convince people that they need more regulation. Absent governmental controls (like 100-year copyrights, frivolous patents, etc.), wealth and power will obey the law of entropy.
The electoral college
I mean, simply stating here, it’s controversial bc while it does give other small cities and states better recognition, it also was enacted bc America was founded by rich white men who did not want the poor white men “interfering”with the government. So if it was created to keep “uneducated” opinions from tainting the presidential vote, is it really still necessary in a society full of much more educated people than there were in the 18th century? Guess it really kind of depends on knowledge extents and educated opinions.
Over testing in schools. I feel more like a lab rat than a 5th grade kid!
But how else will we knowledge when you are ready for the next stage of the experiment. Err next class.
The 2 party system
catcalling women
In addition, women should respect men the same way. I'm in high school and just the way people talk to each other... it's so sexual and uncomfortable without the receiver's consent. It doesn't matter the gender, it's the action in general. And before you downvote me, I am a girl
Monday's. Nobody likes them so lets ban that day
February, too. It's short, nobody likes it, and just to be a pain in the butt, every four years they add a day.
Germany’s age of sexual consent laws: The age of sexual consent in Germany is 14, and it means that a 65 year old man can fully legitimately and legally have sex with a 14 year old girl. How on earth can that be????
Cigarettes
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Influencers....as it seems to make so many of them feel they are entitled to 'free' and the people that follow them don't seem to have their own thoughts any more.
I do not recognize "influencing" as a job. I think they are leeches.
Load More Replies... The take away from this is that so many things are legal in the USA that are illegal and actively enforced in the U.K. and Europe.
But, but... It's the greatest country in the world...
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Here's one for you: Websites reusing stories from over a year ago, adding one or two new things, and presenting it as an entirely new article.
BoredPanda has been doing this increasingly now. I responded to a comment from over three years ago that one the BoredPanda "writers" posted today. This site actually (if you can believe it) used to write their own lighthearted articles in the past and focused more artwork. Now it has completely turned into a listicle website a'la Buzzfeed. Why do the employees have "writer" in their description if all they do is repost old articles or post listicles from Reddit/Buzzfeed? It is a shame as this really used to be a fun site. BoredPanda, you have people who are educated to write---USE THEM.
Load More Replies... BoredPanda why are you continually recycling and reposting articles from over a year ago? What in the world is happening to this site anymore from the censorship to the constant reposting? You have actual employees who are trained as writers, why in the world aren’t you using them?! I’m sick of lazy reposts and these constant “am I the a*****e” articles? What happened to all the art and fun articles on this site? Do the writers even write anymore?
Maybe BP Got Bought Out And Went "Corporate" ? (Shudder)
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Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what. No matter where. Or who, or who you are with, or where you are going or... or where you've been... ever. For any reason, whatsoever.
Downvotes--BP Regards ALL Downvotes As "Offensive" Leading To Suspensions/Banishment--Some Downvotes Are Just "Disagree"
Most downvotes are disagreements yet BoredPanda still suspends its good users. They NEVER respond to e-mails anymore asking for trolls that spread hate speech on site to be suspended yet they censor common words like d**k and sex. This has to be one of the most hypocritical websites I have been on and it is a shame to see what was once a really fun lighthearted site has turned into.
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Influencers making profit out of ruining some poor grocery worker's day
Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change!
No one said the big ones huh? Ok, anti-abortion laws, police in schools (they just scare kids no matter what the intent), protesting people trying to get health care (no one needs a sea of a$$holes on their way into a vaccine clinic), continuously paying a small fine vs fixing an environmental problem that's getting worse, supporting a country (like Russia) who started a war for more power (looking at you Nestle), and refusing two people (18+) the right to marry.
Making things illegal just because they irritate you. We've become such an intolerant, control-freak society with no sense of individual liberty at all. So many people on this thread would make wonderful Nazis or Stalinists. You don't like a gender-reveal party? Don't go to one; I never have. You want to ban them? Screw you and the high horse you rode in on, you hypocritical totalitarian nitwit.
Alcohol. I know many won't agree, but I've dealt with too many alcoholics and had to live with one, so I find it way more damaging than weed, for example.
I thought this would be something funny and wholesome, such as "being forced to wake up early in the morning" or "going to work 5 days a week" or "cilantro". Instead, a bunch of so-called woke people try to enforce cancel culture, US Americans wish for things perfectly normal anywhere else and a few spread disinformation. Disappointing.
Interesting to read. Although I feel like a lot of this is just people’s pet peeves and not things that should be strictly illegal.
A lot of these are personal pet peeves. Glad someone mentioned it.
#20. Pay discrimination is already super illegal but employers will do any kind of shady nonsense to get around it. Know your rights and take those jerks to court. Loudly and publicly.
Fact Republic that in France child beauty pageants are banned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24145119
I believe, as a photographer, a certain level of Photoshop on models without a disclaimer should be illegal. It often straddles false advertising
Treating 1st year apprentices like your lacky, tea maid!!! I personally think of this as bullying, they are there to learn a trade, job etc, not be your slave!!!!!
Some things that should be banned. 0) lists. 1) being repetitive. 2) lists. 3) people who tell you cantaloupe is really musk melon. 4) squishy grapes. 5) zero based indexing. 6) decorative cabbage. 7) the words moist and musk. 8) jokes about lists
Families to poor to send Kids to school. When parents Split up and the mother being a foreigner, forcing the kid to move with them to their country.
Political lawn signs. They're an eyesore that has no impact on the outcome of any election.
Can I just say I hate when men or women sexualize women's clothes. I mean it's clothes,like one time I was wearing my thigh high boots with long shorts and my Dad said You look like your going to the club. I mean can I not dress in anything that I'm comfortable in?
Walking out of the store with out buying nothing they will just stare at me or when my mama is in line then she go somewhere real quick to get something and the employees just be looking at me I have anxiety so
This article is a perfect example of what's wrong with society. Every single law being pushed here is malum prohibitum laws ("illegal because they're currently prohibited") and not malum en se laws ("illegal because it's wrong"). We already have all the malum en se laws we need - laws against murder, theft, rape, etc - so everything here is just subjective ideas that literally will and can never end. There's no quenching the beast and those in power will always use these laws (and the justifications you read in comments) to tyrannize their opponents.
IVF is mostly used for people who are sterile and cannot conceive on their own. But like the octo mom, then yes. It shouldn't be legal after too many kids.
Load More Replies... Influencers....as it seems to make so many of them feel they are entitled to 'free' and the people that follow them don't seem to have their own thoughts any more.
I do not recognize "influencing" as a job. I think they are leeches.
Load More Replies... The take away from this is that so many things are legal in the USA that are illegal and actively enforced in the U.K. and Europe.
But, but... It's the greatest country in the world...
Load More Replies... Here's one for you: Websites reusing stories from over a year ago, adding one or two new things, and presenting it as an entirely new article.
BoredPanda has been doing this increasingly now. I responded to a comment from over three years ago that one the BoredPanda "writers" posted today. This site actually (if you can believe it) used to write their own lighthearted articles in the past and focused more artwork. Now it has completely turned into a listicle website a'la Buzzfeed. Why do the employees have "writer" in their description if all they do is repost old articles or post listicles from Reddit/Buzzfeed? It is a shame as this really used to be a fun site. BoredPanda, you have people who are educated to write---USE THEM.
Load More Replies... BoredPanda why are you continually recycling and reposting articles from over a year ago? What in the world is happening to this site anymore from the censorship to the constant reposting? You have actual employees who are trained as writers, why in the world aren’t you using them?! I’m sick of lazy reposts and these constant “am I the a*****e” articles? What happened to all the art and fun articles on this site? Do the writers even write anymore?
Maybe BP Got Bought Out And Went "Corporate" ? (Shudder)
Load More Replies... Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what. No matter where. Or who, or who you are with, or where you are going or... or where you've been... ever. For any reason, whatsoever.
Downvotes--BP Regards ALL Downvotes As "Offensive" Leading To Suspensions/Banishment--Some Downvotes Are Just "Disagree"
Most downvotes are disagreements yet BoredPanda still suspends its good users. They NEVER respond to e-mails anymore asking for trolls that spread hate speech on site to be suspended yet they censor common words like d**k and sex. This has to be one of the most hypocritical websites I have been on and it is a shame to see what was once a really fun lighthearted site has turned into.
Load More Replies... Influencers making profit out of ruining some poor grocery worker's day
Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change! Climate change!
No one said the big ones huh? Ok, anti-abortion laws, police in schools (they just scare kids no matter what the intent), protesting people trying to get health care (no one needs a sea of a$$holes on their way into a vaccine clinic), continuously paying a small fine vs fixing an environmental problem that's getting worse, supporting a country (like Russia) who started a war for more power (looking at you Nestle), and refusing two people (18+) the right to marry.
Making things illegal just because they irritate you. We've become such an intolerant, control-freak society with no sense of individual liberty at all. So many people on this thread would make wonderful Nazis or Stalinists. You don't like a gender-reveal party? Don't go to one; I never have. You want to ban them? Screw you and the high horse you rode in on, you hypocritical totalitarian nitwit.
Alcohol. I know many won't agree, but I've dealt with too many alcoholics and had to live with one, so I find it way more damaging than weed, for example.
I thought this would be something funny and wholesome, such as "being forced to wake up early in the morning" or "going to work 5 days a week" or "cilantro". Instead, a bunch of so-called woke people try to enforce cancel culture, US Americans wish for things perfectly normal anywhere else and a few spread disinformation. Disappointing.
Interesting to read. Although I feel like a lot of this is just people’s pet peeves and not things that should be strictly illegal.
A lot of these are personal pet peeves. Glad someone mentioned it.
#20. Pay discrimination is already super illegal but employers will do any kind of shady nonsense to get around it. Know your rights and take those jerks to court. Loudly and publicly.
Fact Republic that in France child beauty pageants are banned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24145119
I believe, as a photographer, a certain level of Photoshop on models without a disclaimer should be illegal. It often straddles false advertising
Treating 1st year apprentices like your lacky, tea maid!!! I personally think of this as bullying, they are there to learn a trade, job etc, not be your slave!!!!!
Some things that should be banned. 0) lists. 1) being repetitive. 2) lists. 3) people who tell you cantaloupe is really musk melon. 4) squishy grapes. 5) zero based indexing. 6) decorative cabbage. 7) the words moist and musk. 8) jokes about lists
Families to poor to send Kids to school. When parents Split up and the mother being a foreigner, forcing the kid to move with them to their country.
Political lawn signs. They're an eyesore that has no impact on the outcome of any election.
Can I just say I hate when men or women sexualize women's clothes. I mean it's clothes,like one time I was wearing my thigh high boots with long shorts and my Dad said You look like your going to the club. I mean can I not dress in anything that I'm comfortable in?
Walking out of the store with out buying nothing they will just stare at me or when my mama is in line then she go somewhere real quick to get something and the employees just be looking at me I have anxiety so
This article is a perfect example of what's wrong with society. Every single law being pushed here is malum prohibitum laws ("illegal because they're currently prohibited") and not malum en se laws ("illegal because it's wrong"). We already have all the malum en se laws we need - laws against murder, theft, rape, etc - so everything here is just subjective ideas that literally will and can never end. There's no quenching the beast and those in power will always use these laws (and the justifications you read in comments) to tyrannize their opponents.
IVF is mostly used for people who are sterile and cannot conceive on their own. But like the octo mom, then yes. It shouldn't be legal after too many kids.
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