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Woman’s Reaction To Crying Baby On Plane Goes Viral, Shows Why People Who Complain About It Are The Worst
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Woman’s Reaction To Crying Baby On Plane Goes Viral, Shows Why People Who Complain About It Are The Worst

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Flying next to a crying child is terrible, but it’s even worse if the kid is yours. A mom named Kesha Bernard was flying from Seattle to Denver on July 29th when she noticed a single mom traveling alone with three little kids, and struggling to keep them all happy – most notably her fussy three-year-old daughter.

To make matters worse, take-off was delayed, making the plane full of grumpy passengers even less patient with the overwhelmed family. Bernard just couldn’t bear to stand by and watch the poor woman having such a hard time parenting, especially after witnessing a shockingly abusive act by another passenger. She stepped in to offer what the rest of the plane seemed to have forgotten the meaning of compassion.

After sharing her story on Facebook, Bernard went viral and has now earned over 193 thousand likes and almost 100 thousand shares. In addition to being an absolute sweetheart, she’s also a photographer and has two kids of her own. Read the entire touching story on random acts of kindness below, and share it with someone who might need their faith in humanity restored.

More info: Kesha Shonet Photography

This mom recently shared a different kind of ‘screaming kid on the plane’ story, and she’s going viral for it

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“How we can ignore a human in distress beyond me”

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“Please be kind. Please be considerate. Help one another… It makes everything easier”

As you’d expect, most readers gave this super-mom a standing ovation

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Some people, however, felt her help was little misplaced

What do you think? Tell us in the comments below!

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not that she's not right about helping people, but I'm kinda sick of these self serving look at how heroic I was to be different than the rest of the dumb crowd stories on the internet. Great man, you helped someone, have a freakin' medal.

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Jo Murphy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the point is not that she's heroic, that what she did is normal, and everyone else is a self-serving s**t who needs to learn to human better.

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Zori the degu
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's great she helped the helpless single mom, which was doing her best to calm down her children. Unfortunately, I can't take a side. I have had lots of bad experiences with toddlers on the same flights with me. The problem is that as long as there are s****y parents who don't give a damn that their kids are misbehaving and let them do whatever they want(Invading my personal space and pulling my hair? Hello, I'm not their toy, make something about your kids' actions, don't let them ruin my flight for no reason), few people would be on the young parents' side.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think both sides have a point. Passengers have the right not to be bothered by screaming kids, and yet sometimes parents really can't control their kids despite their best efforts (as in this case). The parents who should be condemned are the ones whose kids are flaking out and yet they do NOTHING.

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Maciek Ravs
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have to discipline your kids. You or your 1,2,3 year old kids don't have right kick anybody seats - end of the story. No silly boredpanda article will change these basic rules. You might not be able to control of crying, but doing nothing about kicking is not acceptable!

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whats not acceptable is grabbing a kid's leg... i would be the first to tell my kid off for kicking and there'd be consequences if she didnt stop. But if a stranger grabbed her leg she can expect a kick somewhere else - from me.

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Zenozenobee
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually you're not paying for tranquility, you're paying to travel WITH people and EVERYONE have to be patient and make it work. You can't put your hair on the other one screen, taking of your shoes with smelly feet or put your feet on the armrest, taking pills to support the flight AND drink alcool so you become a pain in the a*s, you can't either invade your neighbour, you can't throw a tantrum because the person that paid for the window seat don't want to let you the window seat,(I assit 4 of these comportementsby adult... plus the lady s******g on her seat in first class) and you don't freak about your neighbour not speeking english, you can't either grunt because a delay flight make a baby nervous(they calm down when the plane take off usually), you don't point out 10 time that thay didn't have YOUR usual drink... It's a collective responsabilitythat the flight is OK. And as my father used to say "Don't b***h about the problem: either you solve it, either you ignore it"

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Emma Edwards
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The only bit that makes me uncomfortable about this is her description of the woman with her hands over her ears making faces. People with SPD (often as part of autism or other neurodiversity) quite often do this to cope with noise. Plane travel is really friken hard if you have SPD, and noises like babies crying can feel like knives in the skull. It is not usual for a 'grown a*s woman' to do this but quite normal for a 'grown a*s autistic woman' to do this. So if she's on a non judgemental rant, it would be good to take that into consideration.

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Juju Banana
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess I am not a decent human being, as I believe no one has to put up with a child kicking their seat.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about putting up with that, it's about how the person handled not putting up with it.

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Adriana E. Henricy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The woman was trying to calm her kid, there are people who dont, they just ignore the screaming child and make evrerything worse for everyone, cero consideration for others. If thats the case, I'm going to complain. If the person is trying, well, ok, i'll endure. But if the person is not evern trying, please.

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ispeak catanese
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would normally be afraid to help because I wouldn't want to scare a baby and make her cry harder but this has inspired me to try to help.

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Daria B
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same here. I always wanna help, but I'm so afraid I'd mess up even more, or just stand there like a fool for not knowing what to actually do. I guess I'm a bit of a panic type, and it takes rational gestures to solve a problem and help somebody for real.

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Luna Kittenwarrior
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone must read it so that they (very well hopefully) learn kindness and learn not to be a crapsack in public.

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Икаталинда Рубинова
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't have kids because I don't like them. If yours is kicking my seat I will hold you accountable to control your crotchlings. My anxiety on a plane is on overload and I expect my rights to be respected as much as you and your brats. If you can't control them you should be escorted off the plane just like any other disruptive person would be. Agitating a plane full of people is in no ones interest.

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Stephen Anderson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're an adult get over it or don't fly. Kids have more to learn, you should know better.

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Beth Moontree
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mother should have stopped her toddler kicking the seat. It is annoying but it is hard to stop kids crying. You have to put up with it and be glad they're not yours.

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Toni Scott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yes, but sometimes you don't know it's happening ... and it can be dealt with kindly.

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Lucky Gaudiau
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No sorry. I'm on the other side. Control your kids. Kids today are just spoiled and babied from birth. No surprise that at 3 and 4 yo they think they own the world.

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Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agreed with you up to the second sentence. Some kids are spoiled, but you are making a VAST generalization.

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Andrea Koelling
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have flown a couple of times with my children when they were toddlers. They are toddlers and misbehave, I expect that. Therefore, my husband or a friend come with me to help out. My children obviously know them and when they act up I have the help I need. I don't expect the other passengers to have to deal with my crying children. If my husband or friend can't accompany me, I won't take a flight.

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Dorian Moisa
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be angry as well if a kid would keep kicking my seat and the mother doesn't do anything. You made a kid, it's your f*****g responsability to take care of it, not mine. It's that f*****g simple. You made it, you take care of it. You made 3, you get someone to help you if you can't handle them. Why do I have to "suffer" for your poor decisions in life? You're free to have 10 kids if you can take care of them. It's just like being gay, or straight, or religious, or whatever.... As long as your life choices don't affect others, you're free to do whatever you want. Can't believe that people think it's so bad if you don't want to take some b******t from someone's kid.

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Jenny Sears
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly, it isn't that I don't take responsibility for my actions or that I don't expect my children to. But I also firmly believe that in this life you must learn that not everyone will cater to you. It is unrealistic to expect that everything is going to go your way all of the time. People make mistakes, life happens in a wild, crazy, beautifully unpredictable manner and you must learn to accept that if you want to enjoy life. You don't have to WANT it, but you always don't get a choice in that. For example, I don't think anyone should assume that this woman made poor decisions in life because she is traveling alone with her children and the children were not perfect stone angels, but it isn't my place to tell them how they should feel.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh god the paragraphing. Anw, nice that she helped but just a word of caution: THIS DOES NOT WORK IN ALL CULTURES. Some parents, particularly in Asian cultures, will think that you're trying to 'meddle' in their business. That said, ask politely if she wants help and you should be fine, don't just jump in and start trying to handle everything, you'll get an earful!

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Dawna Conley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have kids, I love kids, and I would gladly offer to help a mom in need because Ive been there. But after spending $400 to ride on a crowded airplane and getting seated in front of a family with a young child who kicked my seat all the way from Portland to LAX, I was ready to go out of my mind. I turned several times and asked the parents to please stop him from kicking me and they stared at me with a blank look on their face. They didn't give a s**t what he was doing as long as he was quiet. So some people flying are exhausted, some are trying to get work done, Some are grieving and heading to funerals for loved ones,and some have kids that are being a pain in the a*s. We share the planet. Be respectful of each other. Its simple as that.

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Bob 2.0
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unless there's a really good reason, I just don't believe that babies should be on planes. Just raises too many problems.

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Jenny Feneley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bob I'm sure planes are still an exciting luxury to you, but to most of us, it's like getting on a bus. If you don't like public transport, find another way.

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Stacey Carmody
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Call me a cynic, but sense a photographer looking to gain publicity. Bet we'll find out that this story was exaggerated or never happened. My BS meter is going off big time!

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Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm with Selma to some degree. My opinion is this: First, to the poster: STOP TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT HOW GREAT YOUR ARE. To parents: if you can avoid it, if you have kids who won't listen to you, no matter what you do, try not to bring them on long trips (or to theatres or restaurants - basically any place they will be disruptive to people who came to enjoy something. Or, in the case of most traveling, people who are trying to distract themselves from how miserable they feel being stuffed in a metal tube with a crowd of other people.) If your child is generally quiet and/or well behaved, or at least easily pacified, nobody will go on a witch hunt for you.

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Jenny Baker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't fly terribly often (a couple times a year for work) and I have no kids. That being said, there is a difference between a fussy kid and a bad kid. Toddlers and babies get fussy for all sorts of reasons, generally the same as grown people: tired, hot, cold, hungry. I don't have a problem dealing with this and will help if I can. The problem is with completely undisciplined children who scream, cry, and pitch a fit because they don't get their way and have parents who make no effort to take care of the situation.

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Me.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are many other helpful and considerate people out there who's stories haven't gone viral; I try to remember them during posts like thi

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manowce
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

in the shortest of ways: your kids, your problem. yes, we should be compassionate. yes, we can (not: have to) help if we feel like it, but it's not our responsibility. if you decided to take three kids on a plane, you should be prepared for that. I DO NOT agree with touching other people's kids, keep your hands to yourself, but if your kid is kicking someone else's seat - REACT. we do not have to raise your kids together (leave the village alone!). BUT people should not make faces, roll their eyes or mumble under their noses. if you have a problem - say it clearly, but politely. and don't be an a*****e. that last part goes to both parents and non-parents.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's weird too that the girl seems to want others to help - as a parent, I wouldn't expect or even want that. But I seriously don't agree with people bitching at me when my kid is crying, because I know my kid a lot better than they do and I know how hard she's trying not to cry. Not that people have ever really commented at me, I mean I'm very responsive to my kid being disrespectful to others and I never let her just go off without intervention, but I also only have the one. If you have three, sometimes you can't sort them all out in a timely manner. The faces I personally don't care so much about, I mean, I get that it's not pleasant (I'm hsp myself and loud noises can really hurt), but there's just no need to be an a*****e, like you said. (and yeah parents need to take responsibility ofc).

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jasper j
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

as a person with chronic migraines, i would be the person with hands on their ears. maybe take into consideration that there are people with disabilities and sensory issues who hate the sound of children screaming for a very valid reason? that whole section reeks of ableism.

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Vicki Poh
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then perhaps if children have such an affect on you you should wear ear plugs or noise cancelling headphones. YOUR post reeks of "ableism" just as much as you accuse hers of doing.

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Bleu Andersen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good job in offering help to an overwhelmed mother. I must say that although you cannot always comfort a child's crying, I would have prevented my son from kicking other people or their seats. Hopefully, this story has created a new idea in the minds of the readers that offering help is a desirable option. One might also be understanding of people who must cover their ears. As a person who suffers under the constraints of PTSD, I must say that sudden noises, stressful travel or prolonged screaming can trigger an anxiety attack which may or may not be understood by those around me depending on whether I am crying, defensive or angered as I struggle against overwhelming, and debilitating reactions due to a disorder from which I will never recover. Be more kind than seems necessary.

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Amy Ferguson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True- there are lots of stories people post about how they did something good and changed someone's life (at least for the moment). But the point for me is that in these tense situations we all need to take a breath and find our humanity. After all, would these stories be NECESSARY at all if we all just held our tongues and our ATTITUDES in check? No, they would be common-place and nobody would post them. As a preschool educator I have found myself in some awkward and uncomfortable situations with young children and their parents, and the way things resolve the best is that the adults ACT like adults and adapt with some maturity. Yes there are parents who have no concept of teaching their children "public" behavior. But for the most part, parents are trying (!!!!) and even the best kids can go downhill fast in the wrong situation.

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Julie Millard
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do parents insist on dragging their kids half way across the country, just so they can carry on as if they were childless, so selfish. It is very difficult with toddlers, I have had 2. They get bored, fractious and generally a pain in the proverbial ! You must consider other travellers, that is Good Manners. I did not fly with my kids until youngest was 7, when she knew how to behave in public. I have an American friend who used to dose her kids with some over the counter drugs which kept them asleep. Don't advocate that either. If you want to carry on your normal life and travel/holiday as if you were 20, don't have kids

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As if people only travel for pleasure... you must've had a luxurious life.

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Mike
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't complain or show annoyance in this situation and would certainly have sympathy for the mothers plight, but as a person without kids and no idea how to handle them, I doubt I would be willing to take one off her hands.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd personally say that's totally fine. I have a kid and I'd never hand her off to someone I don't know tbh. But it's just nice not to be judged when you're doing the best you can (if you are. Not all parents do).

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Robyn Weinbaum
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i'd rather have my seat kicked by a toddler, listen to a baby cry, even have my hair pulled by a little kid, while flying, than listen to some of the nasty-a*s adults on plane. adults whining, not saying excuse me when they get up, throwing their seat way back so it hits me in the face [and i'm short!] yakking on their phone about you know, private things. GIVE ME KIDS TO FLY WITH ANY DAY.

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K
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Give me a break. A woman sitting on a plane with unruly kids is not the definition of suffering. I think anyone has the right to ask that a parent have a child not kick their seat. Respect goes both ways, people.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If having three kids is so overwhelming and exhausting then don't do it. Mothers who want to have multiple kids have no right to complain about their own bad choices. It's not an addiction or a disease. It's your own mistake and other people shouldn't have to pay for it. The author asks what the mom is supposed to do. How about stop your kid from disrespecting others and being a rude family? She's "afraid" because "you can't do anything anymore"!? So her only idea of doing something is violence? You can discipline your kids without hitting them. These parents are already pathetic and then they act like everyone is so wrong for being annoyed. It's so selfish. Your kids shouldn't even be there and you're acting like they are the ONLY ones that matter. The parents should feel shame. I say getting upset and making faces is the best way to deal with it so maybe parents will stop bringing kids to adult spaces.

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Amanda Godwin
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is a plane an adult space? Its a form of public transport for humans to travel to other countries. You wouldnt suggest a bus or train is an adult space. In fact if you were that unhappy about using a bus or train because you dont wish to be with the general public you would pay more and use a taxi or pay for the quiet compartment on the train.

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Jennifer Lester
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids are unpredictable. And so, basically, several of you think that because of that fact, parents shouldn't fly? Seriously, way to miss the point of the post, people. Jesus.

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LeighAnn Koch
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crying can't really be helped, other than trying a bottle, a snack or a toy. But kicking seats is straight up wrong. Having your seat kicked constantly, not just once, should be stopped immediately. Props to the woman for offering to help & cuddling the baby; not a bad way to spend some time.

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Tori Jones
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What I got from this is: Don't offer help, fine. DON'T be a rude butt about a 3 yr old pushing or kicking your seat. How about saying "Ma'am can you please ask your child not to kick my seat" instead of being rude about it. Being rude raises the stress level that children can pick up on and make their behavior worse. If you are annoyed at the noise, try just shutting up and dealing. There are often adults on planes who talk loud or complain a lot. Do you think someone yelling for them to stop or shut up is appropriate?

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Joelle Jansen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, I get annoyed by little kids too, but at the same time; they can't help it! These little children are in an unfamiliar environment, most likely lack sleep (because being at the airport on time usually means no naps), their ears hurt (because they don't know how to clear them), and they get bored! Of course you can try and make clear to a child that they shouldn't kick your seat, but they're KIDS. I guess my TLDR is; Try and be a little more understanding.

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Yes they can help it. AN educated kid don't kick the seat in front of him. Nowadays, parents try to avoid there resposabilities.

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Mary Mary
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people don't like children. I love them and I find them more engaging and enjoy their company more than I do adults! I never miss an opportunity to say hello or have a conversation with a child. If you ask open ended questions, lead them in a topic, and encourage them to learn new words a child can be very well entertained and entertaining. Some of the funniest truths I have ever heard have come out of the mouths of babes. I pray that I never grow so old or jaded or bitter or miserable that I scorn or scoff or scold a child. They are the most endearing and lovely humans on the planet. We should cherish them and invite them and include them as a loving community wherever they are. They are our future. God blesses us with them. We should appreciate their innocence and relish in their imaginations and respect their presence.

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Allie Orona
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish people could just be nicer and more understanding, you know? It's a three year old, they're children. They're learning. Do you want to tell me that you've never overreacted or been rude since before you were three?

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Sharon Whitaker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One should avoid flying with small children if possible, it is not a comfortable thing for the child and then it becomes an uncomfortable experience for everyone. If they must fly try to explain to the child before hand everything that is going to happen on the plane so they are hopefully ready for it. I can fully understand the woman complaining, but no she had no right to touch the child.

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John Ashley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stands as nearly perfect paean of self-aggrandizement for the entitlement crowd... with all the appropriate buzz words to simultaneously attract the attention of the like minded and shame those who dare to disagree.

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John Ashley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Props to her for helping the woman... but not for her attitude. And, btw, if you're going to go with that old cliche that "it takes a village...", then you don't get to go "oh hell no" when the other villagers respond appropriately to a child's inappropriate social behavior... as happened when the aggreived passenger reached behind and simply grabbed the child's leg. That was an example of how the "it takes a village..." social mores works. How people outside of the family respond to their actions is how children learn what is and is not socially appropriate. Those are things mom and dad usually cannot completely teach by themselves. It takes interaction with others.

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La Vaun Johns
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On a flight from California to Texas my seat was repeatedly kicked by a boy of maybe 7-8. Finally I got up, turned around and leaned over the back of my seat. His eyes got as big as saucers as he took his feet of my seat. I smiled and asked his name. From California to our layover in Colorado that boy never stopped talking to me. I made a new friend that day and the flight seemed much faster.

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Rebecca Coomes
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really, really can't take the noise of a crying baby on a plane? Here's my perfect (or close to it, anyway) solution. Requires a cellphone, a tablet, a pair of earbuds, and a noise canceling headset. Set your cellphone or tablet to the music or video you want to drown it the crying or other cabin noise. Use the earbuds to listen to it. THEN, attach the nosie cancelling headset to whichever device you are NOT using for music or video, fire it up playing a purchased track of white noise, played with the volume at mid level. Place the headset on your head, over the ear buds. Now, simply set to work adjusting volume on both till you can hear your music or video very well, and the volume on the white noise high enough to drown out the cabin noise. Enjoy.

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Enea
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thanks for sharing, and thanks for helping. As a frequently flying mother of two under 4 I fortunately made the experience that many people react kind and positive. I've experienced elderly people drawing silly faces to distract the 3-year-old, teenage girls giggle with the baby and businessmen read a book to them. There's the odd 'oh no, a toddler on my flight' comment, but they are a clear minority. And to all those mother-shaming comments: I don’t think it's about whether she should have disciplined her 3-year-old or not, it’s about how a group of people deals with a stressful situation. It's heartbreaking to see that the group decision was to lash out at children who are clearly uncomfortable (i.e. crying) and their overwhelmed caretaker (because wouldn't you be as well in that situation?).

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Gisele Cott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

without tooting my own horn. I too when I travel is genuinely alone. I was next to this mother with 3 young boys. we all had the same haircuts, so everyone assumed I was the mother. at the end of a long flight NYC-CA she thanked me for entertaining her children. and I said that it was my pleasure, since they also helped me pass the time as well. I am not a good flier. so I was grateful to this woman.

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Kate Hebert
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmm ... I've been in both situations. Mostly, it's the parents' reaponsibility. I've always theorized there needs to be one whole parent for each kid. More kids than that is very taxing. The real culprit is crowded airplanes! I know I feel like screaming every minute. And no ugly airplane food to look forward to doubles the stress. A lot of time disappears watching the cart, struggling with bathroom breaks before the cart, eating? (Thank goodness I had gymnastics), clearing the trash. It's an awful challenge now. Screaming kids are part of the challenge. We have to all get along!

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Angi Dee
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ok, let's look at this logically. There are 3 small children who had to get up very early to get on a plane with their mom. I'm sure these kids don't usually behave like this. a two year old child will whine and be fussy sometimes, an infant can't talk so they cry to communicate, the other one was quiet but that child was older. So obviously at this point in time two very small children are needing mom and she is only one person dealing with three children. It's not that she can't control her kids. It's because she has kids. This can happen to anybody with children at anytime. I have a child that is very well behaved but she showed her behind when I flew with her and we were alone together. Somebody did ask if they could help me though. I said if you think you can please do. Luckily I put a stop to it though. But maybe the kids were having a bad day. If an adult can have a bad day then why can't kids? They are people too!

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Trust Me
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a person who doesn't really like children all that much, thank you for showing me I can help instead of complaining.

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Amy Vins
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I LOVE that this mom took action to help another fellow human being! <3 I also think Selma in the comments needs an attitude adjustment ha ha ha.

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Cynthia Preston
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Distraction is a wonderful technique. If you are flying whether you are going alone or with someone or with kids, take a hand puppet/a sock puppet, hec take a pen an put eyes nose and hair on your finger tip and peep them round the corner or across the isle, often played peek a boo with the baby or child over the back of a seat or across the isle, even held a child or two who came willingly and with momma's consent. Babies will often pick up mom or dads stress level and if someone else is calmer they can often get a child to sleep while the parent calms down. Now if everyone around is judging their aint no way no how a fussy baby or toddler is going to calm down until there is a calm person to project that calm!

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Beth Riesen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have held someone else's infant while they ran to the restroom and prepared a bottle. It's hard to travel with small children and even harder if you are doing it solo. It's a no brainer- you help out that already frazzled mom.

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Julie Coon
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I definite can support her view. Instead of trying to solve problems people get mad. They aren't empathetic they are just complainers. When ever I see a child crying i try to give them eye contact to see if they will respond so it will distract them from the distress. I have played ball with a kid on a flight once. The thing is if we help it helps us all.

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Christine
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i think its hard travelling full stop let alone with young children yes its annoying when you are older and dont have young kids and a child kicks your seat, I would always give the benefit of the doubt as it could be an accident once or twice but after that i would get a bit annoyed a shoot a look. However would ld aways help someone if they needed it I would offer and save them asking, It isnt that kids arent well brought up necessarily travel is boring for adults at times; (Well i think so anyway)) let alone children And you can only take so much entertainment with you!! Kids need to expel energy; but yes there is a fine line between allowing this and being respectful to other passengers. Its tricky thats for sure. Most of us been parents aunts or big sisters etc so show some patience at least. And help people Its a bit of a selfish act in many ways because it almost aways helps you too LOL

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Dianne Morris
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Such kind, understanding responses. NOT! Physically punishing that child would have shut him up, right. The only physical response that would quiet that child would be to abuse him, knock him unconscious and then everyone would be happy. No? Ah, the reaction then would have been that the mother abused the child and made the noise even worse. This is not unique. Many, so wrong, on that flight believe that the mother should not travel on a plane. You see, most people criticizing this mother who had the audacity to board a plane with child in tow are people who led perfect lives, didn't have to travel anywhere, who are always unfailing correct, kind, charitable....so much so that they leave their opinions not as solutions but to point out their superiority and good judgement. (BTW, sarcasm.) Yes, annoying noise...so what? That child? A distant memory. Your face contorted in hate, unforgettable.

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Roxanne Lavender
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a 3yr old, we have never been on a plane though, but she tantrums a lot at home, she laughs when i discipline her, some kids/people just react that way to discipline, they have to understand why they shouldn't do that, then they stop, my 3yr old's language and understanding skills are not developed enough yet. Anywho, i live with toddler tantrums. If i were on a plane on my own, and some woman was having issues with her kids i would offer to help, i would ask to switch seats with someone so i could be closer to the woman with the kids so that i could help, even though i am terrible on planes with travel sickness, varicose veins, extreme ear-popping, etc. If you want peace in this world, don't expect it to be dropped in your lap, we all have to work together to create peace.

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Wendy Oberg
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Selma as a frequent traveler I can tell you very young children are works of art in progress and people need to be kinder and more tolerant. I have often had my seat kicked or pushed and it doesn't bother me but I actually like children. Learn to not sweat the small stuff. It's the the big stuff in life you need to sweat.

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Kelly Glover
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People aren't babysitters. What she did was nice, but this woman knew she was taking three kids on the plane. And when a lot of people get to go on one vacation a year, that they pay all of their spare money to enjoy, it's not shocking that they don't want their seat kicked or screaming the whole time. Here's the thing, grab your own kid's leg. I mean did the woman grabbing the leg hulk slam the kid? Or did she gently, but firmly stop the kid from kicking her seat? Because there's a huge difference. If you have three kids on a plane, and you know you might not be able to contain them you need to bring another adult. Because while it was great what this woman did, not everyone is going to want to watch and hold your kid on their vacation flight. Shocker. P.S. I know, I'm so mean. But most people won't make faces if you're actively getting a pacifier/telling your kid to quit kicking etc but yeah your gonna get more faces if you sit there with a derpy what do I do look on your face.

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Mary Mary
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have to prepare your child for a long journey. Bring things to distract them. Engage them in conversation. Bring snacks they like. Make it an adventure. Let them know they have your attention. Help them with the experience. Help them while waiting. Enjoy them. I had three in tow and they behaved because they had my undivided attention and they had fun. Mine were 3 all 3 years apart. My oldest liked to have responsibility and rewards if she helped me with her sisters and the children were promised stickers or an ice cream for good behavior and they got them.

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Mare of Maers
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why so judgemental? I don't think you can just expect to everyone being capable of pulling something like that off. Perhaps they are stressed, already have headache, have no idea how to deal with kids etc. I don't think looking down on these people does it make any better. For example, I don't think I would be able to go to a mother and offer help. I have sociophobia to a point where there are days I'm struggling to even order something in a restaurant. Also I tend to have headaches so bad I once vomited in the middle of the night - the headaches come out of nothing and can happen every day, everytime. So if I'd be forced to help in a situation like that, chances are you have me either shivering and almost crying before even saying a word or suddenly having to vomit because my head is killing me. Does that make it better for the mother in need or me? Not really. Am I a bad person for not offering help? According to this article, obviously.

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Yavetsid Rodriguez
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That lady didn't right in helping that poor mom with her kids. Listen people, we can teach our kids all the manners in the world but sometimes the kids act up. And as for the rude adults, they could have been more helpful. Selma, guess what they mother's control over the kids is not the issue, some people just have a difficult time traveling by themselves with their kids. Don't be so judgmental

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Mary Taylor
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely! Not only do you not hear crying children, but you also don't hear the middle seat person who booked the last-minute $69 seat sale who wants you to trade them your aisle seat you paid for at booking 6 months ago, the drunk person yelling randomly at the flight attendants, the loud group of spring breakers taking up 20 seats right in the middle of the plane, your boring seatmate who doesn't know how to shut up... Noise cancelling ones are expensive, but if you fly alot, they are pretty much indispensable.

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pilipe
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that if she can't controls her children, then she doesn't take the plan. We all pay for the plan ticket, so a minimum of respect for the passengers. I understand people getting upsets about crying baby or kicking to the seat. The problem here is the mother who can't handle her children and took the plane anyway. You try to transform the story in your advantage. I'm not agree with that.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even children who are completely calm on an every day basis can go apeshit on a plane. It's crowded, there's constant noise, the air is dry and their ears hurt. And taking the plane may not at all be optional for her. Who are you to assume anything about them?

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Brigitte
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh boy, this is a sensitive subject. I don't have kids so I've got nothing to say except: I sympathise with both sides. I do want to say something about "... The freaking flight attendant is just standing there... listening. Not even doing anything..." My best friend is a flight attendent and the one thing she hates most is passengers who call for her to help with something concerning another passenger before talking to them themselves. And I agree (to some extent). I'm not going to bother a flight attendent about every little problem I have, when he/she clearly has something more important to do. I'm a grown up - I don't need somebody else to speak on behalf of me.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know right? What airline is this? The stewardesses are obviously not motivated to go the extra mile!!

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Rob Gustaveson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One flight a day should be for parents with crying kids--how hard would that be. Airlines, Hotels, Car rental places should be compassionate but they only care about money these days not service. That lady who held another's baby is a true samaritan and the article is right on.

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Lisa Petersen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cont from previous post: 3) GUM! If your child is old enough to chew gum, make sure you pack some. The change in pressure is hard on young children, who don't understand what causes it, just want to get rid of it. For infants and toddlers, just give them your pinky finger, pad side up, to suck on - this is far more effective than a bottle or a pacifier, and much more soothing. These are all simple things that, even after J grew up, I was still happy to share and pass on to other moms of little ones. Just the act of wanting to help can make for a more pleasant flight for everyone. And if the adult is acting more like a child, definitely either call them on it or report them to the crew - that type of behavior can get you bounced off the flight for being a disruption, and the crew would rather know before they start flying than when they're 30K feet and climbing - tossing Mrs. Bossy Pants out the door is no longer an option at that point. Happy flying...

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Lisa Petersen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It kinda saddens me to hear so many negative responses to this post - it's hard to fly with young kids, no matter how well-behaved they are. When you put even the most angelic child in a strange situation, they are going to react to it, each in their own way. And this is not a pat on my back by any means, but just some advice I learned while flying when my son was young: 1) I always made sure there were extra toys, books and snacks in his bag that he could share with an upset child seated nearby - kids bond much easier than adults do, and parents don't seem to mind accepting cheerios from another child as much as from an adult. 2) I always overpacked my son's carry-on with a variety of quite activities, as youngsters can get bored quite quickly - this trick actually got him invited to the cockpit to meet the captain and "fly" the plane after one particularly difficult flight on Alaska - lots of crying kids, and we were in the back so J couldn't offer his "help." Cont below...

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Emmelina Ogilvy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to agree that you cant go letting your kids misbehave like that...but people could do with being more helpful...Being helpful makes everyone feel good. Flying with kids takes preparation. I used to keep mine up so theyd sleep on the plane. I flew alone with my who was 2 months old. I fed him to stop ear pain and he slept. People were so nice. Holding him for me when I went to the toilet...I ended up walking into arrivals with an entourage of 10 people, holding my bags, loooking out for my car hire...it was amazing...They all just wanted to help. Im still so grateful to all of them years later. Please help those with kids. it doesnt take much.

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Teresa Vazquez
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My grand daughter and her husband have been stationed in Okinawa now for 3 years, they have 2 boys age 4 and 1. They finally get to come home for 2 weeks before they go to the next place of assignment. I certainly hope they do not have to put up with any of these mean inconsiderate people. Any well mannered kids will get restless on a 13 hour flight. Please people. Be considerate, you don't know the circumstances of why they are flying.

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Karen Peach
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm totally on the fence with this. She should definitely not of grabbed the Childs leg, but at the same time we don't know of her condition. But kick the seat of someone with a back issue... It can be agony....

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Kathy Walcott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a similar situation flying from Florida to Chicago on a plane full of families. One family had a toddler who was inconsolable. 3 diffeernt passengers approached this family to help including me. I was flying with my granddaughter who was sound asleep so I offered her fresh sippee cup of juice to try to get the baby to suck in case it was an ear issue. So not all passengers are rude fools. The flight crew did their best to make the rest of us as comfortable as possible.

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Luna Kittenwarrior
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

*puts on hazmat suit* It's dangerous here in this comment section. High levels of controversy. *jumps in*

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Stephen Lyttle
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And next in the world of things that didn't actually happen..... 'You can add me as a friend on my business page'. No thanks.

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Leslie Hickcox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do not get upset with crying children, and would have stepped in to help this mother. It is important to be kind, patient and helpful. However you do not get to cause more physical pain for me than I am already in by kicking my seat whether you are 3 or 93. Once or twice or if it is an accident is different than doing it intentionally. If you can't control yourself for whatever reason then your legs that are kicking should be restrained.

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Kim Sealy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes children can be a handful. Even those who are well behaved can sometimes do silly things. I say this because my child when she was a toddler knew that i dont stand for nonsense and that i would punish her butt yet once in a while she would do the darnest things even though she knew the consequences of her actions. I would sometimes give her the death glare and she would shape up but ever so often she would ignore it also until she finally got it right. Children just like to test you to see how far they can go.

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Regina Phalanges
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For the love of God use punctuation, use correct grammar, and don't leave out words. If you want to sound like you have a well thought out and well constructed opinion at least try not to sound like an idiot. Thank you (you're vs your) (there vs they're vs their)

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ispeak catanese
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess Daria that we have to try, to take the risk in case we can help. 😊

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Peggy Perry
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As is usual with life, there are two sides to every story. I don't have kids of my own, but I've got LOTS of experience dealing with children of all ages. I've put strangers' babies to sleep and offered to spank brats. People travelling with kids on a plane often have no other option to use personal transportation. But most of them should have taught children older than 5 to be polite in public. Under that, I can forgive. My parents had 5 kids and all they had to do was look at us to make us mind our manners by 5 years old. None of us has trauma, PTSD, nightmares, substance abuse problems, or therapy sessions from our lessons on manners. We sometimes got very bored, but we didn't drive people around us crazy. Fussy babies often cry because the pressure changes hurt them, but a giggling 7 year old kicking my seat for half an hour will have me turning around and offering to do something to teach them manners.

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Dawn Black
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people who thought it was a-okay for a complete stranger to lay their hands on someone else's child, I hope to hell they never have children. If some stranger DARED to lay their hands on one of my kids when they were little I'd have ripped them a new one. A three year old, after X many hours, is going to get fidgety. The person who implied they could sit quietly and be perfectly still for hours on end at the age of three is delusional and has never been around children. As a mom of two grown boys, I remember the days when it was difficult to get them to be still after a lengthy amount of time.

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bapriga
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What she did was excellent because she clearly saw that the woman was distressed and needed assistance. BTW- Flight attendants should have training classes for dealing with such situations- fussy children, belligerent drunks, rude passengers etc. If they don't I suggest that airlines invest in such training. Aside from that, I can though comment about experiences that did quite rightly bring on my own ire at a parent not controlling their child, but it was not because the parent was overburdened and in need of help. This particular parent didn't give a rats a*s what her children were doing, which happened to be kicking my seat continuously. I requested politely several times that they have the child stop. I was ignored completely. This parent even let their child through things to the floor and did not bother. In other words all of us around this parent and her offspring were subjected to an undisciplined adult, ergo 2 undisciplined children. They were sent to the rear of the plane.

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Teleri Nyfain
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this comment section shows just how many jerks live in this world :(

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pilipe
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, the jerks are the one putting the blame on the plane's passenger. They paid there sit, they diserv some quite. If you can't control your children, don't take the plane. It's not normal that a kid kick the sit in front of him. That's mean is not educated.

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Phillip Moderow
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm conflicted about this story. While it's commendable that SOMEone stepped in to help, it seems to me that mom with crying children EXPECTED it...she had no plan and had to have KNOWN it could be a disaster waiting to happen. And by the way, hero mom, not ALL of us are understanding parents; you were unreasonably presumptive about how others should have reacted the way you did.

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Allison Jennifer
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be very appreciative if that was me Needing help 😊 as for grabbing my childs leg..oh hell no is right..verbal help, i would respect.

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Janet Clarke
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my daughter was 3 she was crying on a flight and a passenger told me to make her stop crying. Like I wasn't already trying everything. Come on, people, seriously? Kids cry, you did, too when you were 3.

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Heather Bell
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kind of her to help but planes are difficult places and there are many people very nervous about flying, claustrophobia, etc., so their reactions might be stronger than necessary as they cannot escape the situation. Flying with three small children is folly and they are not the responsibility of anyone else. Knowing that this behaviour could continue for the entire flight is very upsetting.

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Liz dJ
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people think that kids who are well behaved are ALWAYS well behaved? They're kids!! And I want to thank her for sharing her story. Honestly, I'd be one of the other few hundred people ignoring the situation and hoping for it to pass, perhaps next time I'd check if I could help. And that's what this post is all about, right? Showing there's more than one way to handle such a situation

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Melody Lanzatella
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im gonna start by correcting the woman sharing the story! Toddlers are not a******s. They are just toddlers and unable to initiate ANY self-control! The ADULTS are the A******S! They are MEANT TO BE...ADULTS!! And FULLY capable of practicing SELF-CONTROL...and patience! Need I say more??? I think not!

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Cricket Kelbaugh
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Selma Bourasseau Why would you respond that way? It's fine if you think your Father's way of discipline was good for you. Don't you dare shame a mom who has difficult children. Who the dickens cares what your father did. I hope to goodness you are childless.

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Cee Viloria
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work for a grocery store and one time we had a customer whose toddler is screaming at the top of his lungs. An old man went to my manager and asked if mom and baby be kicked out from the store because they were disruptive. My manager, bless her, calmly told the guy that our store is family friendly and that we respect all customers that come in and shop with us. She earned my utmost respect for her sensitivity, tact and empathy.

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Cheryl Adams
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cannot abide children in most situations but I would offer my help if it were potentially in my best interest. Comforting a child, quiets a child and we all win. Sometimes being a selfish old broad works out just fine.

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Cheryl Adams
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't abide children in most situations but I would offer to help if it were potentially in my best interest. Comforting a child, quiets a child. We all win. Sometimes being a selfish old broad works out just fine.

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Hisseefit
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Empathy and compassion has become a rarer thing to find these days.

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Andrew Greydays
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You belong in Hell, anyone who thinks plane babies aren’t the worst thing ever is worse then Hitler. That’s like saying genocide is bad and Jewish people shouldn’t complain about the Holocaust

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Christine
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's hard for a mum with young children to calm a child down. At the end of the day children are just children and just very frustrated, they might have a tantrum whether on a plane or not, but being cramped up and having to sit still for long hours is too hard, why would you expect them to sit still for long haul they have endless energy and just want to expel it, naturally kicking the chair in front is not on, but crying and fidgeting are just natural responses no matter how annoying they are to others Maybe airlines could make a specific area for people with young children or babies and older people who cannot tolerate it easily could have a different area...... what about that?

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Emily Scott
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am on an airplane with a screaming baby right now, and this kid needs to be removed from the airplane. Very young children who are not mature enough to handle flying without terrorizing the other passengers should be prohibited from flying. It is totally rude and selfish for parents to insist the other passengers should have to endure this. The high pitch screaming is truly painful. Patents of screaming children need to have respect for everyone else's health and wellness and remove their child from the airplane and catch a later flight when the child settles down. Better yet, don't make them fly until they are more mature. That being said, airlines should charge an extra fee for children under 5.

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Tonya S
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find parents who do not control their kids expect everyone around them to accept this. I absolutely do not! I hate when brats kick my seat or keep making noise &; Yes, many times the parents are younger and ignore their childs actions. If u are a mom who wants to help out, good for u. But I'm not your village. I think in today's world of it's all about me, especially in the USA, nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore including when they decide to have THIER offspring! Yes a child is not mature as an adult, but I never pulled that c**p when I was a kid!! Never! I also always notice it's never an Asian child. Why is that? More discipline and better parenting I guess. Only today do you see parents let their children do whatever and then get defensive, preachy, and call for sympathy when people get angry or scold (parent) that child. You're not a bully for letting your kid kick my seat or cause a migraine? Is that your response at church or a theatre? Take responsibility!

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Jean Marsick
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have flown alone with a 1 & 4yr. old from Buffalo to Texas. I brought quiet toys, snacks along. I allowed 4yr. old to walk in airport to tire her & followed with infant in stroller. Sometimes flights went well, I always kept them from annoying others. Luckily passengers were polite with children on our flight KIds are immature adults. I applaud passenger that helped, more help, less complaints needed. How would feel in same situation?

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Ash
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We need more such positive stories. I don't care if the woman was digging for fame or whatever. What she did at that moment was simply incredible.

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Cheri Barker-Belcourt
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I bet that the 3 year old did not intentionally kick the back of the chair. The child probably was doing as the mom said and was trying to scoot herself to sit straight up. Regardless. Children are children. When you fly you never know what you are going to encounter on the plain. As a parent and grandparent NOBODY has the right to put there hands on another persons minor child. ( or adult for that fact ) Nobody has the right to put there hands on a child without the patents permission. How dare anybody judge another persons parenting ability just by a stupid airline flight. Thank god there are nice people in this world willing to help. I would help any parent in a heart beat on a plane if needed. People don't help to get accolades. They help because they are a good human being!!!!!

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Michele Kobus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad she helped out, but I'm a bit torn. I think it's irresponsible of both parents to saddle one with parenting three or four kids in this situation. Why is she traveling alone with them when it's obvious how difficult that is. I paid for a seat too, and having my backside kicked for an hour isn't what I paid for. Kids cry, I understand that. Particularly infants, and IMHO, it boarders on child abuse to drag an infant along on a long trip. Their ears hurt, they have a dirty diaper (oh, and thanks for taking care of that situation on the tray table where the next passenger is going to eat) or they have ADD. If you have the money for all those tickets, how about buying one more for some other adult to assist you. Or drive.

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Carol Norwell
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Leni....you are so not getting this. It isn't a case of saying...how great am I.....she is saying we should all be doing this and not sitting there like 40 year old toddlers pulling faces and behaving badly because there is a crying kid.....do something useful instead.

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Leslie .Ann
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know enough about this mother to say anything about her but I've found a lot of parents these days treat their children like bright, shining stars that can do no wrong. It's infuriating. The other day I was walking with my dogs and a little boy walking towards us, stuck his hand in front of my dog's face and tried to 'pet' him. I told him 'Hey, never touch a dog without asking the owner' and the mother lost her s**t. She screamed at me and told me not to tell her child what to do. I just walked away - if she wants her child getting bitten by a dog, what's it to me? It doesn't say how long between the lady asking this mother to get her kid to stop kicking her chair and putting her hand on the child's leg is, if it was right away then I'd say there were better ways to handle that situation. However if the mother didn't do anything to try and stop her child from kicking the chair, I think the woman wasn't in the wrong as long as she didn't hurt the child.

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Robyn Jones
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, 3 yr olds can understand lots of things....doesn't mean they will DO them. Children in this age range are notorious for being willful and stubborn. People seem to think if a child acts up even once that it's a huge fail on the parent's part and that the child should be beaten into submission or something. That's another lesson to be learned from this; children are not little adults and sometimes they are just going to cry and act up. People need to learn to be more understanding and compassionate about dealing with children. It's completely unreasonable to expect a small child to sit perfectly still and never make a peep. You did it when you were a child, I did it, everyone behaved the same way when they were this age. Yes, a parent needs to try to control a child who is acting out of control...it's just that the definition and expectations of what consists out of control has become.....out of control. And yes, grabbing a hold of someone else's child is a HELL no.

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Regina Phalanges
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For the love of God use punctuation, use correct grammar, and don't leave out words. If you want to sound like you have a well thought out and well constructed opinion at least try not to sound like an idiot. Thank you (you're vs your) (there vs they're vs their)

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Tina Lavoie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are people out there who try to help and who CAN help. But not everyone can withstand that kicking. I'm sorry but I have fibro and a kid kicking my seat throughout a flight would have me an anxiety, pain-ridden mess. If others can handle it, fine, but (in general and aside from this situation, which is admittedly difficult) I think we all know there are too many parents who don't give a s**t what their kids are doing as long as they have a bit of peace and don't have to go to the trouble of disciplining them. And those who enable them.

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Lulu Girard
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BTW. It's not everybody's job to take care of someone else's kid. Certainly not mine.

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Amina Hays
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody else chose for them, so why would people being annoyed at a crying child in aeroplane make them horrible and rude?

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Amina Hays
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why should a stranger's decision to have a baby be forced onto other people who are then expected to just happily put up with it?

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Won Francis Sweeney
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gimme a break. I would have asked the woman to get her kid to stop kicking my seat too. I prob would then have tried to get the kid to play a game or something because I was bored and frustrated myself. I wouldn't have touched he kid though. That's insane. Please, if you have kids DON'T expect people to have the same level of patience as you. Flying is already a stressful, unpleasant experience these days and patience is thin.

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Sara York
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I read the comments and see what is wrong with our world. People are just mean selfish jerks who don't want to help other people.

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Nathaniel Parsons
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmmmm. This is why I fly first class. I think it is great that she helped the woman but I am not into child care or children. I do feel bad when a kid has a melt down on the plane because I know it must be uncomfortable but I am not the one to handle that situation. I would not make faces or plug my ears but I understand when there is high pitched screaming it is hard to deal with what is already an uncomfortable crowded flight. I have sat next to people who had adorable well-behaved kids and enjoyed the flight. Bottom line: I am a grumpy old man and you can deal with that just like you deal with kids.

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Catherine Kirk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sitting beside me on a 15 hour flight from Beijing, a man was travelling with a crying 13 month old. He kept telling me that she really liked women and tried to hand her over to me several times. Not all travellers with children are reticent about asking for help and while I applaud this woman's kindness I think judging all her fellow passengers is harsh.

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Marianne Brennan
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm reminded of when I was in my 20s returning home after my father's funeral. I was on a 4 am, 3 hour train ride and was to return to work that same day. I was completely fried after several days with little sleep and high stress dealing with a dysfunctional family, funeral arrangements, worrying about my mom. I desperately needed just little bit of shut eye. As luck would have it, the only seat available was behind a woman traveling alone, across country with he 3 small wide awake children. I passive aggressively shushed them at one point, and she lit into me in front of everyone waking up several passengers. Draw your own conclusion about right or wrong. I just know everybody has a story.

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Deirdra Burgess
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know what! She is absolutely 100% right. What in the hell is wrong with a plane full of people who wouldn't offer to help? You have kids or grandkids. Get off your a*s and help them.

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Margaret O'Connor
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No one has the right to go through life depending on the kindness of strangers. If it takes 2 people to manage your kids then it is your responsibility to bring an additional adult.

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Elaine Walkden
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Had to love her nice plug at the end for her business. It wasn't so much that she posted the story that bothered me, even though most of us can do things to help others without bragging about it. It was the replies from some of her followers. Some of them wanting to track down the face makers and the woman covering her ears. When someone brings up maybe the others had sensory or anxiety issues, they or the conditions were mocked. Those horrible people are worse than kid on plane dislikers.

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Victoria Kim
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a three-year old is kicking the seat in front, maybe the SEATS ARE TOO CLOSE!

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Amy Harmon
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I applaud compassion, but heres a place she buggared up. The lady w her hands over her ears may have had a good reaßon. Like an ear infection. Or asperger's syndrome. As an asperger's sufferer I can tell you noise is excruciating. You want compassion give it.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or just not wanting to hear it. It's her ears, she doesn't need an excuse to cover them.

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Sheila Brown
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hated travelling with my kids when they were children. They were very well behaved normally but enclose them in a metal box and don't let them watch films until after takeoff which could be 45 minutes without anything to look at and books in the overhead rack to keep the foot area free and it was obvious what would happen. I also had a problem with a screaming baby who I think had ear problems from the pressure. I just ignored the other passengers. If they can't help then don't complain. The worst experience was on the London tube during rush hour going to Heathrow. A guy told me I shouldn't travel on the tube with kids and luggage during rush hour. Hello? One flight each day to Dallas and you think I should miss it?.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You shouldn't miss it but you should be more considerate of other people. You don't seem to want to share or take others into consideration and it's double bad because you're teaching your kids the same.

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Agathe May
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don t really get it... need help? her baby is just crying. Babies cry. nothing new, it s really pain in the a*s for others cause you can t escape it in a plane and not everybody is used to it but there s nothing you can do. I dont see why she needed help? let the baby cry, it s like that, people arent pleased but who cares ^^ for the kids kicking seats i am totally on the side of the passenger. It s education nothing else and it is very annoying but adults do it too. After it seems that this mother has a older child. I dont now the age but couldnt she asked her kid to help her??? couldnt he hold the baby? My mom never needed anyone help for us... kids are just annoying in confined space, it s a fact, and if for plane i am very understanding (even if i cant sleep for 15 hours because of it), i am not that nice in cinema or restaurant or other place. It s not that easy to say or help someone about kids, you never know if the mom will take it well or not, if the limits are not exceeded.

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Karlleen Hoadley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel it is our duty to raise kids all of them that we can they may not be your but one day they could save your life or someone close to you and make this world better it's our second generation we need to be a villiage im a strong believer in this. I have offered my help before I had kids to now after having two of my own. And I will and I'm not afraid to stand up for my self or someone in this need.

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manowce
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

actually it is not your duty to raise someone else's job. also: some people DO NOT want your helps. I would not let a stranger touch my kid, let alone keep it on their lap.

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Pam Gilliam
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My post has nothing to do with abortion I was talking about China who kills any child other than the first born son.

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Ja Legge
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see any problem if she had help. Two sides who r frustrated, what is the best solution??? Help within a community.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also jeez, where were the stewardesses in this situation? The stewardesses from better airlines would have helped. =/

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Trudie Loesche
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Try to grasp this. There is such a thing as an accidental conception, but there is no such thing as an accidental birth. Spawning or not is a choice we all have. Children are optional. So if you thoughtlessly had a baby, its care is on YOU, not random strangers on a plane. Believe me, we who are childfree do everything we can to avoid kids. Your job is to keep them safe and quiet.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Trudie, I too am a childless person, but when my friends with young kids are around me, I will help calm the kid down. It's called "being human". Also, don't forget, you were once a baby as well. That's fine that you try to avoid helping people with kids, calm their kids down; but don't say that "all childless people" avoid kids. That's not 100% true!

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Mike Burcket
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow I hope your meddle comes in soon when is the national ceremony to celebrate someone who loves to toot their own horn.

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Aaaa Bbbb
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I applaud the author of the story... for leaving her toddlers at home and taking a vacation from them instead of with them. What an awesome choice!

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Cherie Derrick
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the lady had hearing issues, she may have been in physical pain from the child screaming, I know I am when it happens and yes, I make faces too when I'm in pain.

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Donna Tams
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great that you helped the mom with the 3 kids but don't judge the person with their hands over their ears, they might of been autistic.

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Craig Paterson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't travel with 3 kids alone, this is what this story tells us. 1 kid, maybe 2 if 1 is sensible and well behaved. If there are more then don't travel, or be prepared for negative responses when you can't handle them all

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, if a person goes to another state, or country, to see their family, and their family haven't met the kids, you think that it's best to leave the kids at home, when the family want to meet them? People shouldn't be so negative. We were all kids once; but adults seem to forget that they were.

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Leslie Hickcox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a person with serious back problems, a toddler kicking my seat more than once or twice would absolutely warrant me doing whatever is necessary to make them stop - if their parent is unwilling or unable to do so - including grabbing the child's leg. (oh hell yes - your child does not get to make my physical pain worse) That being said, I think it is wonderful that this woman stepped in to help. I believe I would have done the same, and tried to help in any way that I was able to, including keeping the children entertained. I love children and used to work as a school counselor. People do need to have manners, be patient and try to help others in need.

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Bob W.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here is an idea: Don't fly until your kids are old enough to handle it. I'm sick of entitled parents who thinks the world should roll out the red carpet for them because they happened to reproduce.

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Nicki Savage
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't f*****g touch other people's kids. That's the issue. You did that to my kid, you'd end up with a black eye.

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MidS
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then f*****g control your kid. Not everyone sees other people's kids as precious' and 'adorable'. If the kid is a brat and the parents give no f***s about it, others will react.

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Marty BlackEagle-Carl
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It takes a village, we're all here to help each other on this planet. No one lives in a vacuum

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Birma Gustafsson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm amazed how "childish" GROWN people can be! Children are CHILDREN! They can't help it! But GROWN people can! Be freakin' NICE to each other! We can never know what hell people have, all we see is some of the fall-out. So just let's be NICE.

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Cat person
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No thanks. I was on a plane with a baby directly behind me, directly in front of me, directly across from me and somewhere up ahead! Hell!!!

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Kate Marešová
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, no and no. Something similar happened to me a few days ago, my flight was really early in the morning so most of the people just wanted to sleep on the plane and guess what, they couldn't... I don't really see why you should take your child aboard the plane if you know they cannot take it, your child is your responsibility, it's that simple. I don't see why people cannot wait like 3 years before they go on vacation with their child.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe because the parents want a FAMILY holiday, which means taking the KIDS with them? Some parents have never traveled with a child before, so how are they to know how their kids would react? And even if they do react in such a way, remember that once upon a time, we too, were children! Can't handle a screaming kid? Get yourself a set of earphones. It's not your decision, whether or not parents take their kids with them or not on a flight.

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Amanda Godwin
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just a thought but couldnt the air lines seperate economy. Put all the parents and kids at the front and the miserables at the back so the less tolerant are kept away from seat kicking. Kid noise would still travel but would it would limit the decibels Parents should be more accepting of children learning flight etiquette.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The parents are the miserables. Are you suggesting they have the whole plane? Even in this story, the mom is the one suffering and overwhelmed and unable to even fly like a normal person.

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Petra Christovová
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, if someone´s child kept kicking my seat and roaring directly into my ears, I would be probably "a bit" annoyed too. Nice that you helped, but the story implies that everyone else are a bunch of demons or whatever. See, some people are highly sensitive to the noise. For example my mother has migraines and certain sounds make her sick and can push her into the really bad migraine fit. Maybe the older lady had similar problem, we do not know. My point is that the story is kind of black and white, without even trying to symphatise with anyone else than the mother.

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Missy George
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First off I think people forget kids can't be disciplined like they could be 30 yro. 15 yro I couldn't give my child a little heavy pat on the diaper/pull up without being afraid someone would report me for child abuse. Then when he was in elementary school, I know that it would have only taken 1 to 3 different occasions a good smack across the mouth when being disrespectful. But you can't do that cause the child might report you for child abuse. I also agree with the 'oh hell no'. Not because the woman told the child no BUT because she grabbed the child's leg. It is not as if was a safety issue.

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Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To be honest, I've never been significantly bothered by a child on a plane, but I've had some truly horrible theatre experiences.

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zenithorton
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to agree with Selma Bourasseou in terms. I have 3 kids my 1st I just looked at her and she knew straight away she had to behave. My 2nd one, I could scream, roll in the floor, beg, cry and she just give me a big poop. Now my 3rd is also very well behaved girl and never ever made me upset in shops or busy places. I always teached my kids to live in society and respect the other. I can not say I have failed on my 2nd because she is 16 and still with really weird behave when she needs to be out of the house (something more about psicologic ). Then, in situations like that when you see a parent struggling with a child if you can not help, please be quiet. But there is situations where the parents is a bunch of banana without any active voice and the kids really take over and makes everyone's life in a he'll., yes that one, if they can not educate their kids make us a big favor stay indoors until you learn how to grow a child into a citizen to live in society.

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Doug Magee
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's wrong with this story is that any child over the age of 2 is required by law to have their own seat. So they wouldn't have let a 3 year old ride on somebody's lap. So I'm calling b******t on this whole thing.

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Michal Hershtal
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Back when I was in college, I flew back and forth a lot. On one flight, I happened to sit next to a particularly chatty lady (it wasn't so bad...she was entertaining) and at some point, a young kid in the row behind us started acting up. Fussing, crying...so the lady next to me turned to me and said, "Time for some stranger intervention." She turned around and to the shock of the child and the delight of the parents, started talking to the kid, making funny voices, and generally being a friendly person. The kid stopped fussing and cheered up, and I think everyone was better off. Yes, it takes a village sometimes. And to the people who say, "if you can't control your kid, you shouldn't fly", listen up: you can't just shut yourself up in your house until your children magically learn how to act like adults in public places. Kids are kids. How do you think they're going to learn if they aren't given the opportunity to do so?

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are other options besides not flying and shutting yourself in. There are many other forms of travel and also a big difference between kids "acting like adults" vs kids not inconveniencing others. It doesn't have to act like an adult, it just needs to not cause a commotion. One year olds are not learning how to behave on a plane. The kid will learn when it's older.

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MidS
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a child were kicking my seat, I'd pull their leg too. Parents need to control their kids. We don't have to suffer because you can't handle your toddler's tantrums. Oh and 'It takes a village to raise a kid' doesn't apply on a plane. People are annoyed and tired. The last thing they'd wanna do is take care of your kid. Also please stop with the 'holier than thou' rhetoric.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't touch other people's kids. If you want to deal with the kid, use your words. Or is that an example you never had?

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Gábor Angyal
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

toddlers have nothing to do on a plane, its irresponsible from the parent to take a 1-2 y.o kid on a holiday, he/she is too young for that

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lmao yours is an unpopular opinion. I actually think both sides have a point - no one is obliged to put up with a screaming kid for too long, and yet sometimes kids need to travel for good reasons. But the ones who should really be condemned are the parents who do NOTHING to stop their kids from screaming. In this case, the woman was obviously at her wits' end.

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Suzanne Stromberg
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is old news. Sorry, been happening for years. I was all in until I read at the end how you don't accept friends on your personal account…OK, no prob.

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Trudie Loesche
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

STFU, brats and breeders. Stay off planes until you can be quiet.

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Steven Anacker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The person who wrote this article is one of the most judgemental characters in this drama.

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Bob W.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This seems to be an issue with American children, and their self absorbed parents. I've observed it a number of times on international flights. Parents from other nations appear to have much better control over their children. As a flight attendant friend once joked to me: "Working a round trip to Orlando is the biggest motivation to seek birth control".

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Peter Hewel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many years ago, waiting on a long line at Subway, the lady in front of me had a boy about 7 or 8. He was throwing a fit. Screaming at her and acting up as loudly as his lungs could produce. She ignored him. This went on for at leasg 5 minutes non-stop. I had enough. As soon as lil bastard mace eye contacg, delighting in the misery he was causing I steatnly said "will you shut up"!? The mother immediately threw a fit. I looked at her and laughed, it is impossible to intimidate me. Then this little black guy behind me asked me if I wanted to step out and fight him. He was about 5'. I'm 6'3" I bend down to get in his face and with a slight smile, I just said "yeah". He moved back a few steps. Serenty and silence filled the Subway for the rest of my visit. With children, as well as adults, sometimes you just gotta put your foot down. I have no problem telling anyone who is way out of line, they are out of line. I've done it many times.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not nice to cuss at kids, no matter how bad they are. The mother of the child probably already had a go at him, and just had enough. Oh, and kids are not "little bastards", they're just kids. I bet you'd do the same as that mother and that man did if someone were to talk in such a way to your own kids (that's if you have any).

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Leslie Hickcox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have serious back problems. If you kick my seat more than once or twice, I consider that to be physical assault. Expect your leg to be grabbed.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do too, but if I get annoyed, I don't go grabbing peoples legs. I don't care if it's an adult or a child, I just move seats.

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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Bored Panda is a leading art, design and photography community for creative people." .........

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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Bored Panda is a leading art, design and photography community for creative people." ...

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Els Jacobs
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just can't believe that not a single person on that flight has/had little kids. I know that there are s****y parents who don't care if their kids are misbehaving, but you can at least try to communicate with them in a normal way. You don't have to yell, grab the kids, make stupid faces or make assumptions. That just isn't your place to do as a stranger. I also get annoyed from kids in my environment, but they are just kids and they still have to learn what's wrong and what's right. The bad reactions from strangers don't help on making that difference. Kids only think: "If they can do it, so can I". And that makes it very hard for parents to try to teach their kids. So in stead of making it worse, first try to help.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well if they don't have kids maybe it's fair they don't want to be bothered by them. I have long hair. Many people never had long hair so they don't know how hard it can be to keep it from getting in food or blowing in someone's face. That doesn't mean I can just let it happen, so I cover it or tie it if I'm cooking. It's not the short haired people's problem. The parents can be the same and do something to not inconvenience everyone else.

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Janelle Peterson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally taking sides with the author! Know why? It isn't because I don't sympathize with adults being annoyed by kids, it's because annoyed adults are a petty problem. They don't make violins small enough. Suck it up, and engage with your community like a decent grown-a*s adult by shutting you mouth if you're too s****y to help people.

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Kjorn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

people who doesn't have kids or PERFECT MOTHER who's kids are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO perfect are the worst. When i hear a kids crying or in tantrum i'm never angry because I KNOW what's to be in that parent shoes!

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Amy Craig
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd punch a b***h who dared to lay a hand on my kid, that's for damn sure. I feel very sympathetic toward the struggling mom and think it's awesome that SOMEONE actually tried to offer a hand instead of being a jerk like all the people making faces, yelling, etc. Grown-a*s folks acting worse than the damn three-year old, it's ridiculous.

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Melody Lanzatella
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Additionally, sometimes a second pair of hands is ABSOLUTELY vital! Because the crying children can feel their mothers stress! A calm pair of helping hands are just the remedy for this situation! ANOTHER THING "adults" should know!!!

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lbmouse
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6 years ago

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Not surprised by the action of the other passengers. When our leader doesn't care about other human beings it sets the tone for the entire nation.

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Julie Walker
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6 years ago

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Oh, I can't add you as a personal friend, but I can go to your business page? What a surprise!! Well, you know what, you can f**k off! You are a self serving waste of space who left HER OWN children to go on holiday!...and then bragged about it!

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I think the grabbing of the leg was ok as long as it wasn't hard or meant to hurt the child...as for the rest...ON POINT! You don't just mumble and grumble...you help! We are a society not a free for all. P.s. the grab would shock the kid enough to change the behavior.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not that she's not right about helping people, but I'm kinda sick of these self serving look at how heroic I was to be different than the rest of the dumb crowd stories on the internet. Great man, you helped someone, have a freakin' medal.

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Jo Murphy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the point is not that she's heroic, that what she did is normal, and everyone else is a self-serving s**t who needs to learn to human better.

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Zori the degu
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's great she helped the helpless single mom, which was doing her best to calm down her children. Unfortunately, I can't take a side. I have had lots of bad experiences with toddlers on the same flights with me. The problem is that as long as there are s****y parents who don't give a damn that their kids are misbehaving and let them do whatever they want(Invading my personal space and pulling my hair? Hello, I'm not their toy, make something about your kids' actions, don't let them ruin my flight for no reason), few people would be on the young parents' side.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think both sides have a point. Passengers have the right not to be bothered by screaming kids, and yet sometimes parents really can't control their kids despite their best efforts (as in this case). The parents who should be condemned are the ones whose kids are flaking out and yet they do NOTHING.

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Maciek Ravs
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have to discipline your kids. You or your 1,2,3 year old kids don't have right kick anybody seats - end of the story. No silly boredpanda article will change these basic rules. You might not be able to control of crying, but doing nothing about kicking is not acceptable!

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whats not acceptable is grabbing a kid's leg... i would be the first to tell my kid off for kicking and there'd be consequences if she didnt stop. But if a stranger grabbed her leg she can expect a kick somewhere else - from me.

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Zenozenobee
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually you're not paying for tranquility, you're paying to travel WITH people and EVERYONE have to be patient and make it work. You can't put your hair on the other one screen, taking of your shoes with smelly feet or put your feet on the armrest, taking pills to support the flight AND drink alcool so you become a pain in the a*s, you can't either invade your neighbour, you can't throw a tantrum because the person that paid for the window seat don't want to let you the window seat,(I assit 4 of these comportementsby adult... plus the lady s******g on her seat in first class) and you don't freak about your neighbour not speeking english, you can't either grunt because a delay flight make a baby nervous(they calm down when the plane take off usually), you don't point out 10 time that thay didn't have YOUR usual drink... It's a collective responsabilitythat the flight is OK. And as my father used to say "Don't b***h about the problem: either you solve it, either you ignore it"

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Emma Edwards
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The only bit that makes me uncomfortable about this is her description of the woman with her hands over her ears making faces. People with SPD (often as part of autism or other neurodiversity) quite often do this to cope with noise. Plane travel is really friken hard if you have SPD, and noises like babies crying can feel like knives in the skull. It is not usual for a 'grown a*s woman' to do this but quite normal for a 'grown a*s autistic woman' to do this. So if she's on a non judgemental rant, it would be good to take that into consideration.

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Juju Banana
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess I am not a decent human being, as I believe no one has to put up with a child kicking their seat.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about putting up with that, it's about how the person handled not putting up with it.

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Adriana E. Henricy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The woman was trying to calm her kid, there are people who dont, they just ignore the screaming child and make evrerything worse for everyone, cero consideration for others. If thats the case, I'm going to complain. If the person is trying, well, ok, i'll endure. But if the person is not evern trying, please.

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ispeak catanese
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would normally be afraid to help because I wouldn't want to scare a baby and make her cry harder but this has inspired me to try to help.

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Daria B
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same here. I always wanna help, but I'm so afraid I'd mess up even more, or just stand there like a fool for not knowing what to actually do. I guess I'm a bit of a panic type, and it takes rational gestures to solve a problem and help somebody for real.

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Luna Kittenwarrior
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone must read it so that they (very well hopefully) learn kindness and learn not to be a crapsack in public.

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Икаталинда Рубинова
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't have kids because I don't like them. If yours is kicking my seat I will hold you accountable to control your crotchlings. My anxiety on a plane is on overload and I expect my rights to be respected as much as you and your brats. If you can't control them you should be escorted off the plane just like any other disruptive person would be. Agitating a plane full of people is in no ones interest.

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Stephen Anderson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're an adult get over it or don't fly. Kids have more to learn, you should know better.

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Beth Moontree
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mother should have stopped her toddler kicking the seat. It is annoying but it is hard to stop kids crying. You have to put up with it and be glad they're not yours.

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Toni Scott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yes, but sometimes you don't know it's happening ... and it can be dealt with kindly.

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Lucky Gaudiau
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No sorry. I'm on the other side. Control your kids. Kids today are just spoiled and babied from birth. No surprise that at 3 and 4 yo they think they own the world.

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Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agreed with you up to the second sentence. Some kids are spoiled, but you are making a VAST generalization.

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Andrea Koelling
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have flown a couple of times with my children when they were toddlers. They are toddlers and misbehave, I expect that. Therefore, my husband or a friend come with me to help out. My children obviously know them and when they act up I have the help I need. I don't expect the other passengers to have to deal with my crying children. If my husband or friend can't accompany me, I won't take a flight.

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Dorian Moisa
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be angry as well if a kid would keep kicking my seat and the mother doesn't do anything. You made a kid, it's your f*****g responsability to take care of it, not mine. It's that f*****g simple. You made it, you take care of it. You made 3, you get someone to help you if you can't handle them. Why do I have to "suffer" for your poor decisions in life? You're free to have 10 kids if you can take care of them. It's just like being gay, or straight, or religious, or whatever.... As long as your life choices don't affect others, you're free to do whatever you want. Can't believe that people think it's so bad if you don't want to take some b******t from someone's kid.

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Jenny Sears
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kelly, it isn't that I don't take responsibility for my actions or that I don't expect my children to. But I also firmly believe that in this life you must learn that not everyone will cater to you. It is unrealistic to expect that everything is going to go your way all of the time. People make mistakes, life happens in a wild, crazy, beautifully unpredictable manner and you must learn to accept that if you want to enjoy life. You don't have to WANT it, but you always don't get a choice in that. For example, I don't think anyone should assume that this woman made poor decisions in life because she is traveling alone with her children and the children were not perfect stone angels, but it isn't my place to tell them how they should feel.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh god the paragraphing. Anw, nice that she helped but just a word of caution: THIS DOES NOT WORK IN ALL CULTURES. Some parents, particularly in Asian cultures, will think that you're trying to 'meddle' in their business. That said, ask politely if she wants help and you should be fine, don't just jump in and start trying to handle everything, you'll get an earful!

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Dawna Conley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have kids, I love kids, and I would gladly offer to help a mom in need because Ive been there. But after spending $400 to ride on a crowded airplane and getting seated in front of a family with a young child who kicked my seat all the way from Portland to LAX, I was ready to go out of my mind. I turned several times and asked the parents to please stop him from kicking me and they stared at me with a blank look on their face. They didn't give a s**t what he was doing as long as he was quiet. So some people flying are exhausted, some are trying to get work done, Some are grieving and heading to funerals for loved ones,and some have kids that are being a pain in the a*s. We share the planet. Be respectful of each other. Its simple as that.

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Bob 2.0
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unless there's a really good reason, I just don't believe that babies should be on planes. Just raises too many problems.

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Jenny Feneley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bob I'm sure planes are still an exciting luxury to you, but to most of us, it's like getting on a bus. If you don't like public transport, find another way.

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Stacey Carmody
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Call me a cynic, but sense a photographer looking to gain publicity. Bet we'll find out that this story was exaggerated or never happened. My BS meter is going off big time!

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Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm with Selma to some degree. My opinion is this: First, to the poster: STOP TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT HOW GREAT YOUR ARE. To parents: if you can avoid it, if you have kids who won't listen to you, no matter what you do, try not to bring them on long trips (or to theatres or restaurants - basically any place they will be disruptive to people who came to enjoy something. Or, in the case of most traveling, people who are trying to distract themselves from how miserable they feel being stuffed in a metal tube with a crowd of other people.) If your child is generally quiet and/or well behaved, or at least easily pacified, nobody will go on a witch hunt for you.

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Jenny Baker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't fly terribly often (a couple times a year for work) and I have no kids. That being said, there is a difference between a fussy kid and a bad kid. Toddlers and babies get fussy for all sorts of reasons, generally the same as grown people: tired, hot, cold, hungry. I don't have a problem dealing with this and will help if I can. The problem is with completely undisciplined children who scream, cry, and pitch a fit because they don't get their way and have parents who make no effort to take care of the situation.

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Me.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are many other helpful and considerate people out there who's stories haven't gone viral; I try to remember them during posts like thi

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manowce
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

in the shortest of ways: your kids, your problem. yes, we should be compassionate. yes, we can (not: have to) help if we feel like it, but it's not our responsibility. if you decided to take three kids on a plane, you should be prepared for that. I DO NOT agree with touching other people's kids, keep your hands to yourself, but if your kid is kicking someone else's seat - REACT. we do not have to raise your kids together (leave the village alone!). BUT people should not make faces, roll their eyes or mumble under their noses. if you have a problem - say it clearly, but politely. and don't be an a*****e. that last part goes to both parents and non-parents.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's weird too that the girl seems to want others to help - as a parent, I wouldn't expect or even want that. But I seriously don't agree with people bitching at me when my kid is crying, because I know my kid a lot better than they do and I know how hard she's trying not to cry. Not that people have ever really commented at me, I mean I'm very responsive to my kid being disrespectful to others and I never let her just go off without intervention, but I also only have the one. If you have three, sometimes you can't sort them all out in a timely manner. The faces I personally don't care so much about, I mean, I get that it's not pleasant (I'm hsp myself and loud noises can really hurt), but there's just no need to be an a*****e, like you said. (and yeah parents need to take responsibility ofc).

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jasper j
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

as a person with chronic migraines, i would be the person with hands on their ears. maybe take into consideration that there are people with disabilities and sensory issues who hate the sound of children screaming for a very valid reason? that whole section reeks of ableism.

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Vicki Poh
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then perhaps if children have such an affect on you you should wear ear plugs or noise cancelling headphones. YOUR post reeks of "ableism" just as much as you accuse hers of doing.

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Bleu Andersen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good job in offering help to an overwhelmed mother. I must say that although you cannot always comfort a child's crying, I would have prevented my son from kicking other people or their seats. Hopefully, this story has created a new idea in the minds of the readers that offering help is a desirable option. One might also be understanding of people who must cover their ears. As a person who suffers under the constraints of PTSD, I must say that sudden noises, stressful travel or prolonged screaming can trigger an anxiety attack which may or may not be understood by those around me depending on whether I am crying, defensive or angered as I struggle against overwhelming, and debilitating reactions due to a disorder from which I will never recover. Be more kind than seems necessary.

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Amy Ferguson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True- there are lots of stories people post about how they did something good and changed someone's life (at least for the moment). But the point for me is that in these tense situations we all need to take a breath and find our humanity. After all, would these stories be NECESSARY at all if we all just held our tongues and our ATTITUDES in check? No, they would be common-place and nobody would post them. As a preschool educator I have found myself in some awkward and uncomfortable situations with young children and their parents, and the way things resolve the best is that the adults ACT like adults and adapt with some maturity. Yes there are parents who have no concept of teaching their children "public" behavior. But for the most part, parents are trying (!!!!) and even the best kids can go downhill fast in the wrong situation.

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Julie Millard
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do parents insist on dragging their kids half way across the country, just so they can carry on as if they were childless, so selfish. It is very difficult with toddlers, I have had 2. They get bored, fractious and generally a pain in the proverbial ! You must consider other travellers, that is Good Manners. I did not fly with my kids until youngest was 7, when she knew how to behave in public. I have an American friend who used to dose her kids with some over the counter drugs which kept them asleep. Don't advocate that either. If you want to carry on your normal life and travel/holiday as if you were 20, don't have kids

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As if people only travel for pleasure... you must've had a luxurious life.

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Mike
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't complain or show annoyance in this situation and would certainly have sympathy for the mothers plight, but as a person without kids and no idea how to handle them, I doubt I would be willing to take one off her hands.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd personally say that's totally fine. I have a kid and I'd never hand her off to someone I don't know tbh. But it's just nice not to be judged when you're doing the best you can (if you are. Not all parents do).

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Robyn Weinbaum
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i'd rather have my seat kicked by a toddler, listen to a baby cry, even have my hair pulled by a little kid, while flying, than listen to some of the nasty-a*s adults on plane. adults whining, not saying excuse me when they get up, throwing their seat way back so it hits me in the face [and i'm short!] yakking on their phone about you know, private things. GIVE ME KIDS TO FLY WITH ANY DAY.

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K
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Give me a break. A woman sitting on a plane with unruly kids is not the definition of suffering. I think anyone has the right to ask that a parent have a child not kick their seat. Respect goes both ways, people.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If having three kids is so overwhelming and exhausting then don't do it. Mothers who want to have multiple kids have no right to complain about their own bad choices. It's not an addiction or a disease. It's your own mistake and other people shouldn't have to pay for it. The author asks what the mom is supposed to do. How about stop your kid from disrespecting others and being a rude family? She's "afraid" because "you can't do anything anymore"!? So her only idea of doing something is violence? You can discipline your kids without hitting them. These parents are already pathetic and then they act like everyone is so wrong for being annoyed. It's so selfish. Your kids shouldn't even be there and you're acting like they are the ONLY ones that matter. The parents should feel shame. I say getting upset and making faces is the best way to deal with it so maybe parents will stop bringing kids to adult spaces.

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Amanda Godwin
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is a plane an adult space? Its a form of public transport for humans to travel to other countries. You wouldnt suggest a bus or train is an adult space. In fact if you were that unhappy about using a bus or train because you dont wish to be with the general public you would pay more and use a taxi or pay for the quiet compartment on the train.

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Jennifer Lester
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids are unpredictable. And so, basically, several of you think that because of that fact, parents shouldn't fly? Seriously, way to miss the point of the post, people. Jesus.

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LeighAnn Koch
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crying can't really be helped, other than trying a bottle, a snack or a toy. But kicking seats is straight up wrong. Having your seat kicked constantly, not just once, should be stopped immediately. Props to the woman for offering to help & cuddling the baby; not a bad way to spend some time.

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Tori Jones
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What I got from this is: Don't offer help, fine. DON'T be a rude butt about a 3 yr old pushing or kicking your seat. How about saying "Ma'am can you please ask your child not to kick my seat" instead of being rude about it. Being rude raises the stress level that children can pick up on and make their behavior worse. If you are annoyed at the noise, try just shutting up and dealing. There are often adults on planes who talk loud or complain a lot. Do you think someone yelling for them to stop or shut up is appropriate?

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Joelle Jansen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, I get annoyed by little kids too, but at the same time; they can't help it! These little children are in an unfamiliar environment, most likely lack sleep (because being at the airport on time usually means no naps), their ears hurt (because they don't know how to clear them), and they get bored! Of course you can try and make clear to a child that they shouldn't kick your seat, but they're KIDS. I guess my TLDR is; Try and be a little more understanding.

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Yes they can help it. AN educated kid don't kick the seat in front of him. Nowadays, parents try to avoid there resposabilities.

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Mary Mary
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people don't like children. I love them and I find them more engaging and enjoy their company more than I do adults! I never miss an opportunity to say hello or have a conversation with a child. If you ask open ended questions, lead them in a topic, and encourage them to learn new words a child can be very well entertained and entertaining. Some of the funniest truths I have ever heard have come out of the mouths of babes. I pray that I never grow so old or jaded or bitter or miserable that I scorn or scoff or scold a child. They are the most endearing and lovely humans on the planet. We should cherish them and invite them and include them as a loving community wherever they are. They are our future. God blesses us with them. We should appreciate their innocence and relish in their imaginations and respect their presence.

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Allie Orona
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish people could just be nicer and more understanding, you know? It's a three year old, they're children. They're learning. Do you want to tell me that you've never overreacted or been rude since before you were three?

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Sharon Whitaker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One should avoid flying with small children if possible, it is not a comfortable thing for the child and then it becomes an uncomfortable experience for everyone. If they must fly try to explain to the child before hand everything that is going to happen on the plane so they are hopefully ready for it. I can fully understand the woman complaining, but no she had no right to touch the child.

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John Ashley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stands as nearly perfect paean of self-aggrandizement for the entitlement crowd... with all the appropriate buzz words to simultaneously attract the attention of the like minded and shame those who dare to disagree.

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John Ashley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Props to her for helping the woman... but not for her attitude. And, btw, if you're going to go with that old cliche that "it takes a village...", then you don't get to go "oh hell no" when the other villagers respond appropriately to a child's inappropriate social behavior... as happened when the aggreived passenger reached behind and simply grabbed the child's leg. That was an example of how the "it takes a village..." social mores works. How people outside of the family respond to their actions is how children learn what is and is not socially appropriate. Those are things mom and dad usually cannot completely teach by themselves. It takes interaction with others.

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La Vaun Johns
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On a flight from California to Texas my seat was repeatedly kicked by a boy of maybe 7-8. Finally I got up, turned around and leaned over the back of my seat. His eyes got as big as saucers as he took his feet of my seat. I smiled and asked his name. From California to our layover in Colorado that boy never stopped talking to me. I made a new friend that day and the flight seemed much faster.

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Rebecca Coomes
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really, really can't take the noise of a crying baby on a plane? Here's my perfect (or close to it, anyway) solution. Requires a cellphone, a tablet, a pair of earbuds, and a noise canceling headset. Set your cellphone or tablet to the music or video you want to drown it the crying or other cabin noise. Use the earbuds to listen to it. THEN, attach the nosie cancelling headset to whichever device you are NOT using for music or video, fire it up playing a purchased track of white noise, played with the volume at mid level. Place the headset on your head, over the ear buds. Now, simply set to work adjusting volume on both till you can hear your music or video very well, and the volume on the white noise high enough to drown out the cabin noise. Enjoy.

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Enea
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thanks for sharing, and thanks for helping. As a frequently flying mother of two under 4 I fortunately made the experience that many people react kind and positive. I've experienced elderly people drawing silly faces to distract the 3-year-old, teenage girls giggle with the baby and businessmen read a book to them. There's the odd 'oh no, a toddler on my flight' comment, but they are a clear minority. And to all those mother-shaming comments: I don’t think it's about whether she should have disciplined her 3-year-old or not, it’s about how a group of people deals with a stressful situation. It's heartbreaking to see that the group decision was to lash out at children who are clearly uncomfortable (i.e. crying) and their overwhelmed caretaker (because wouldn't you be as well in that situation?).

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Gisele Cott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

without tooting my own horn. I too when I travel is genuinely alone. I was next to this mother with 3 young boys. we all had the same haircuts, so everyone assumed I was the mother. at the end of a long flight NYC-CA she thanked me for entertaining her children. and I said that it was my pleasure, since they also helped me pass the time as well. I am not a good flier. so I was grateful to this woman.

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Kate Hebert
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmm ... I've been in both situations. Mostly, it's the parents' reaponsibility. I've always theorized there needs to be one whole parent for each kid. More kids than that is very taxing. The real culprit is crowded airplanes! I know I feel like screaming every minute. And no ugly airplane food to look forward to doubles the stress. A lot of time disappears watching the cart, struggling with bathroom breaks before the cart, eating? (Thank goodness I had gymnastics), clearing the trash. It's an awful challenge now. Screaming kids are part of the challenge. We have to all get along!

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Angi Dee
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ok, let's look at this logically. There are 3 small children who had to get up very early to get on a plane with their mom. I'm sure these kids don't usually behave like this. a two year old child will whine and be fussy sometimes, an infant can't talk so they cry to communicate, the other one was quiet but that child was older. So obviously at this point in time two very small children are needing mom and she is only one person dealing with three children. It's not that she can't control her kids. It's because she has kids. This can happen to anybody with children at anytime. I have a child that is very well behaved but she showed her behind when I flew with her and we were alone together. Somebody did ask if they could help me though. I said if you think you can please do. Luckily I put a stop to it though. But maybe the kids were having a bad day. If an adult can have a bad day then why can't kids? They are people too!

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Trust Me
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a person who doesn't really like children all that much, thank you for showing me I can help instead of complaining.

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Amy Vins
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I LOVE that this mom took action to help another fellow human being! <3 I also think Selma in the comments needs an attitude adjustment ha ha ha.

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Cynthia Preston
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Distraction is a wonderful technique. If you are flying whether you are going alone or with someone or with kids, take a hand puppet/a sock puppet, hec take a pen an put eyes nose and hair on your finger tip and peep them round the corner or across the isle, often played peek a boo with the baby or child over the back of a seat or across the isle, even held a child or two who came willingly and with momma's consent. Babies will often pick up mom or dads stress level and if someone else is calmer they can often get a child to sleep while the parent calms down. Now if everyone around is judging their aint no way no how a fussy baby or toddler is going to calm down until there is a calm person to project that calm!

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Beth Riesen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have held someone else's infant while they ran to the restroom and prepared a bottle. It's hard to travel with small children and even harder if you are doing it solo. It's a no brainer- you help out that already frazzled mom.

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Julie Coon
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I definite can support her view. Instead of trying to solve problems people get mad. They aren't empathetic they are just complainers. When ever I see a child crying i try to give them eye contact to see if they will respond so it will distract them from the distress. I have played ball with a kid on a flight once. The thing is if we help it helps us all.

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Christine
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i think its hard travelling full stop let alone with young children yes its annoying when you are older and dont have young kids and a child kicks your seat, I would always give the benefit of the doubt as it could be an accident once or twice but after that i would get a bit annoyed a shoot a look. However would ld aways help someone if they needed it I would offer and save them asking, It isnt that kids arent well brought up necessarily travel is boring for adults at times; (Well i think so anyway)) let alone children And you can only take so much entertainment with you!! Kids need to expel energy; but yes there is a fine line between allowing this and being respectful to other passengers. Its tricky thats for sure. Most of us been parents aunts or big sisters etc so show some patience at least. And help people Its a bit of a selfish act in many ways because it almost aways helps you too LOL

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Dianne Morris
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Such kind, understanding responses. NOT! Physically punishing that child would have shut him up, right. The only physical response that would quiet that child would be to abuse him, knock him unconscious and then everyone would be happy. No? Ah, the reaction then would have been that the mother abused the child and made the noise even worse. This is not unique. Many, so wrong, on that flight believe that the mother should not travel on a plane. You see, most people criticizing this mother who had the audacity to board a plane with child in tow are people who led perfect lives, didn't have to travel anywhere, who are always unfailing correct, kind, charitable....so much so that they leave their opinions not as solutions but to point out their superiority and good judgement. (BTW, sarcasm.) Yes, annoying noise...so what? That child? A distant memory. Your face contorted in hate, unforgettable.

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Roxanne Lavender
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a 3yr old, we have never been on a plane though, but she tantrums a lot at home, she laughs when i discipline her, some kids/people just react that way to discipline, they have to understand why they shouldn't do that, then they stop, my 3yr old's language and understanding skills are not developed enough yet. Anywho, i live with toddler tantrums. If i were on a plane on my own, and some woman was having issues with her kids i would offer to help, i would ask to switch seats with someone so i could be closer to the woman with the kids so that i could help, even though i am terrible on planes with travel sickness, varicose veins, extreme ear-popping, etc. If you want peace in this world, don't expect it to be dropped in your lap, we all have to work together to create peace.

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Wendy Oberg
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Selma as a frequent traveler I can tell you very young children are works of art in progress and people need to be kinder and more tolerant. I have often had my seat kicked or pushed and it doesn't bother me but I actually like children. Learn to not sweat the small stuff. It's the the big stuff in life you need to sweat.

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Kelly Glover
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People aren't babysitters. What she did was nice, but this woman knew she was taking three kids on the plane. And when a lot of people get to go on one vacation a year, that they pay all of their spare money to enjoy, it's not shocking that they don't want their seat kicked or screaming the whole time. Here's the thing, grab your own kid's leg. I mean did the woman grabbing the leg hulk slam the kid? Or did she gently, but firmly stop the kid from kicking her seat? Because there's a huge difference. If you have three kids on a plane, and you know you might not be able to contain them you need to bring another adult. Because while it was great what this woman did, not everyone is going to want to watch and hold your kid on their vacation flight. Shocker. P.S. I know, I'm so mean. But most people won't make faces if you're actively getting a pacifier/telling your kid to quit kicking etc but yeah your gonna get more faces if you sit there with a derpy what do I do look on your face.

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Mary Mary
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have to prepare your child for a long journey. Bring things to distract them. Engage them in conversation. Bring snacks they like. Make it an adventure. Let them know they have your attention. Help them with the experience. Help them while waiting. Enjoy them. I had three in tow and they behaved because they had my undivided attention and they had fun. Mine were 3 all 3 years apart. My oldest liked to have responsibility and rewards if she helped me with her sisters and the children were promised stickers or an ice cream for good behavior and they got them.

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Mare of Maers
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why so judgemental? I don't think you can just expect to everyone being capable of pulling something like that off. Perhaps they are stressed, already have headache, have no idea how to deal with kids etc. I don't think looking down on these people does it make any better. For example, I don't think I would be able to go to a mother and offer help. I have sociophobia to a point where there are days I'm struggling to even order something in a restaurant. Also I tend to have headaches so bad I once vomited in the middle of the night - the headaches come out of nothing and can happen every day, everytime. So if I'd be forced to help in a situation like that, chances are you have me either shivering and almost crying before even saying a word or suddenly having to vomit because my head is killing me. Does that make it better for the mother in need or me? Not really. Am I a bad person for not offering help? According to this article, obviously.

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Yavetsid Rodriguez
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That lady didn't right in helping that poor mom with her kids. Listen people, we can teach our kids all the manners in the world but sometimes the kids act up. And as for the rude adults, they could have been more helpful. Selma, guess what they mother's control over the kids is not the issue, some people just have a difficult time traveling by themselves with their kids. Don't be so judgmental

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Mary Taylor
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely! Not only do you not hear crying children, but you also don't hear the middle seat person who booked the last-minute $69 seat sale who wants you to trade them your aisle seat you paid for at booking 6 months ago, the drunk person yelling randomly at the flight attendants, the loud group of spring breakers taking up 20 seats right in the middle of the plane, your boring seatmate who doesn't know how to shut up... Noise cancelling ones are expensive, but if you fly alot, they are pretty much indispensable.

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pilipe
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that if she can't controls her children, then she doesn't take the plan. We all pay for the plan ticket, so a minimum of respect for the passengers. I understand people getting upsets about crying baby or kicking to the seat. The problem here is the mother who can't handle her children and took the plane anyway. You try to transform the story in your advantage. I'm not agree with that.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even children who are completely calm on an every day basis can go apeshit on a plane. It's crowded, there's constant noise, the air is dry and their ears hurt. And taking the plane may not at all be optional for her. Who are you to assume anything about them?

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Brigitte
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh boy, this is a sensitive subject. I don't have kids so I've got nothing to say except: I sympathise with both sides. I do want to say something about "... The freaking flight attendant is just standing there... listening. Not even doing anything..." My best friend is a flight attendent and the one thing she hates most is passengers who call for her to help with something concerning another passenger before talking to them themselves. And I agree (to some extent). I'm not going to bother a flight attendent about every little problem I have, when he/she clearly has something more important to do. I'm a grown up - I don't need somebody else to speak on behalf of me.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know right? What airline is this? The stewardesses are obviously not motivated to go the extra mile!!

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Rob Gustaveson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One flight a day should be for parents with crying kids--how hard would that be. Airlines, Hotels, Car rental places should be compassionate but they only care about money these days not service. That lady who held another's baby is a true samaritan and the article is right on.

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Lisa Petersen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cont from previous post: 3) GUM! If your child is old enough to chew gum, make sure you pack some. The change in pressure is hard on young children, who don't understand what causes it, just want to get rid of it. For infants and toddlers, just give them your pinky finger, pad side up, to suck on - this is far more effective than a bottle or a pacifier, and much more soothing. These are all simple things that, even after J grew up, I was still happy to share and pass on to other moms of little ones. Just the act of wanting to help can make for a more pleasant flight for everyone. And if the adult is acting more like a child, definitely either call them on it or report them to the crew - that type of behavior can get you bounced off the flight for being a disruption, and the crew would rather know before they start flying than when they're 30K feet and climbing - tossing Mrs. Bossy Pants out the door is no longer an option at that point. Happy flying...

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Lisa Petersen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It kinda saddens me to hear so many negative responses to this post - it's hard to fly with young kids, no matter how well-behaved they are. When you put even the most angelic child in a strange situation, they are going to react to it, each in their own way. And this is not a pat on my back by any means, but just some advice I learned while flying when my son was young: 1) I always made sure there were extra toys, books and snacks in his bag that he could share with an upset child seated nearby - kids bond much easier than adults do, and parents don't seem to mind accepting cheerios from another child as much as from an adult. 2) I always overpacked my son's carry-on with a variety of quite activities, as youngsters can get bored quite quickly - this trick actually got him invited to the cockpit to meet the captain and "fly" the plane after one particularly difficult flight on Alaska - lots of crying kids, and we were in the back so J couldn't offer his "help." Cont below...

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Emmelina Ogilvy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to agree that you cant go letting your kids misbehave like that...but people could do with being more helpful...Being helpful makes everyone feel good. Flying with kids takes preparation. I used to keep mine up so theyd sleep on the plane. I flew alone with my who was 2 months old. I fed him to stop ear pain and he slept. People were so nice. Holding him for me when I went to the toilet...I ended up walking into arrivals with an entourage of 10 people, holding my bags, loooking out for my car hire...it was amazing...They all just wanted to help. Im still so grateful to all of them years later. Please help those with kids. it doesnt take much.

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Teresa Vazquez
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My grand daughter and her husband have been stationed in Okinawa now for 3 years, they have 2 boys age 4 and 1. They finally get to come home for 2 weeks before they go to the next place of assignment. I certainly hope they do not have to put up with any of these mean inconsiderate people. Any well mannered kids will get restless on a 13 hour flight. Please people. Be considerate, you don't know the circumstances of why they are flying.

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Karen Peach
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm totally on the fence with this. She should definitely not of grabbed the Childs leg, but at the same time we don't know of her condition. But kick the seat of someone with a back issue... It can be agony....

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Kathy Walcott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a similar situation flying from Florida to Chicago on a plane full of families. One family had a toddler who was inconsolable. 3 diffeernt passengers approached this family to help including me. I was flying with my granddaughter who was sound asleep so I offered her fresh sippee cup of juice to try to get the baby to suck in case it was an ear issue. So not all passengers are rude fools. The flight crew did their best to make the rest of us as comfortable as possible.

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Luna Kittenwarrior
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

*puts on hazmat suit* It's dangerous here in this comment section. High levels of controversy. *jumps in*

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Stephen Lyttle
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And next in the world of things that didn't actually happen..... 'You can add me as a friend on my business page'. No thanks.

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Leslie Hickcox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do not get upset with crying children, and would have stepped in to help this mother. It is important to be kind, patient and helpful. However you do not get to cause more physical pain for me than I am already in by kicking my seat whether you are 3 or 93. Once or twice or if it is an accident is different than doing it intentionally. If you can't control yourself for whatever reason then your legs that are kicking should be restrained.

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Kim Sealy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes children can be a handful. Even those who are well behaved can sometimes do silly things. I say this because my child when she was a toddler knew that i dont stand for nonsense and that i would punish her butt yet once in a while she would do the darnest things even though she knew the consequences of her actions. I would sometimes give her the death glare and she would shape up but ever so often she would ignore it also until she finally got it right. Children just like to test you to see how far they can go.

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Regina Phalanges
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For the love of God use punctuation, use correct grammar, and don't leave out words. If you want to sound like you have a well thought out and well constructed opinion at least try not to sound like an idiot. Thank you (you're vs your) (there vs they're vs their)

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ispeak catanese
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I guess Daria that we have to try, to take the risk in case we can help. 😊

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Peggy Perry
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As is usual with life, there are two sides to every story. I don't have kids of my own, but I've got LOTS of experience dealing with children of all ages. I've put strangers' babies to sleep and offered to spank brats. People travelling with kids on a plane often have no other option to use personal transportation. But most of them should have taught children older than 5 to be polite in public. Under that, I can forgive. My parents had 5 kids and all they had to do was look at us to make us mind our manners by 5 years old. None of us has trauma, PTSD, nightmares, substance abuse problems, or therapy sessions from our lessons on manners. We sometimes got very bored, but we didn't drive people around us crazy. Fussy babies often cry because the pressure changes hurt them, but a giggling 7 year old kicking my seat for half an hour will have me turning around and offering to do something to teach them manners.

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Dawn Black
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people who thought it was a-okay for a complete stranger to lay their hands on someone else's child, I hope to hell they never have children. If some stranger DARED to lay their hands on one of my kids when they were little I'd have ripped them a new one. A three year old, after X many hours, is going to get fidgety. The person who implied they could sit quietly and be perfectly still for hours on end at the age of three is delusional and has never been around children. As a mom of two grown boys, I remember the days when it was difficult to get them to be still after a lengthy amount of time.

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bapriga
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What she did was excellent because she clearly saw that the woman was distressed and needed assistance. BTW- Flight attendants should have training classes for dealing with such situations- fussy children, belligerent drunks, rude passengers etc. If they don't I suggest that airlines invest in such training. Aside from that, I can though comment about experiences that did quite rightly bring on my own ire at a parent not controlling their child, but it was not because the parent was overburdened and in need of help. This particular parent didn't give a rats a*s what her children were doing, which happened to be kicking my seat continuously. I requested politely several times that they have the child stop. I was ignored completely. This parent even let their child through things to the floor and did not bother. In other words all of us around this parent and her offspring were subjected to an undisciplined adult, ergo 2 undisciplined children. They were sent to the rear of the plane.

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Teleri Nyfain
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this comment section shows just how many jerks live in this world :(

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pilipe
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, the jerks are the one putting the blame on the plane's passenger. They paid there sit, they diserv some quite. If you can't control your children, don't take the plane. It's not normal that a kid kick the sit in front of him. That's mean is not educated.

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Phillip Moderow
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm conflicted about this story. While it's commendable that SOMEone stepped in to help, it seems to me that mom with crying children EXPECTED it...she had no plan and had to have KNOWN it could be a disaster waiting to happen. And by the way, hero mom, not ALL of us are understanding parents; you were unreasonably presumptive about how others should have reacted the way you did.

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Allison Jennifer
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be very appreciative if that was me Needing help 😊 as for grabbing my childs leg..oh hell no is right..verbal help, i would respect.

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Janet Clarke
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my daughter was 3 she was crying on a flight and a passenger told me to make her stop crying. Like I wasn't already trying everything. Come on, people, seriously? Kids cry, you did, too when you were 3.

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Heather Bell
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kind of her to help but planes are difficult places and there are many people very nervous about flying, claustrophobia, etc., so their reactions might be stronger than necessary as they cannot escape the situation. Flying with three small children is folly and they are not the responsibility of anyone else. Knowing that this behaviour could continue for the entire flight is very upsetting.

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Liz dJ
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people think that kids who are well behaved are ALWAYS well behaved? They're kids!! And I want to thank her for sharing her story. Honestly, I'd be one of the other few hundred people ignoring the situation and hoping for it to pass, perhaps next time I'd check if I could help. And that's what this post is all about, right? Showing there's more than one way to handle such a situation

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Melody Lanzatella
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im gonna start by correcting the woman sharing the story! Toddlers are not a******s. They are just toddlers and unable to initiate ANY self-control! The ADULTS are the A******S! They are MEANT TO BE...ADULTS!! And FULLY capable of practicing SELF-CONTROL...and patience! Need I say more??? I think not!

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Cricket Kelbaugh
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Selma Bourasseau Why would you respond that way? It's fine if you think your Father's way of discipline was good for you. Don't you dare shame a mom who has difficult children. Who the dickens cares what your father did. I hope to goodness you are childless.

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Cee Viloria
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work for a grocery store and one time we had a customer whose toddler is screaming at the top of his lungs. An old man went to my manager and asked if mom and baby be kicked out from the store because they were disruptive. My manager, bless her, calmly told the guy that our store is family friendly and that we respect all customers that come in and shop with us. She earned my utmost respect for her sensitivity, tact and empathy.

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Cheryl Adams
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cannot abide children in most situations but I would offer my help if it were potentially in my best interest. Comforting a child, quiets a child and we all win. Sometimes being a selfish old broad works out just fine.

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Cheryl Adams
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't abide children in most situations but I would offer to help if it were potentially in my best interest. Comforting a child, quiets a child. We all win. Sometimes being a selfish old broad works out just fine.

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Hisseefit
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Empathy and compassion has become a rarer thing to find these days.

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Andrew Greydays
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You belong in Hell, anyone who thinks plane babies aren’t the worst thing ever is worse then Hitler. That’s like saying genocide is bad and Jewish people shouldn’t complain about the Holocaust

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Christine
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's hard for a mum with young children to calm a child down. At the end of the day children are just children and just very frustrated, they might have a tantrum whether on a plane or not, but being cramped up and having to sit still for long hours is too hard, why would you expect them to sit still for long haul they have endless energy and just want to expel it, naturally kicking the chair in front is not on, but crying and fidgeting are just natural responses no matter how annoying they are to others Maybe airlines could make a specific area for people with young children or babies and older people who cannot tolerate it easily could have a different area...... what about that?

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Emily Scott
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am on an airplane with a screaming baby right now, and this kid needs to be removed from the airplane. Very young children who are not mature enough to handle flying without terrorizing the other passengers should be prohibited from flying. It is totally rude and selfish for parents to insist the other passengers should have to endure this. The high pitch screaming is truly painful. Patents of screaming children need to have respect for everyone else's health and wellness and remove their child from the airplane and catch a later flight when the child settles down. Better yet, don't make them fly until they are more mature. That being said, airlines should charge an extra fee for children under 5.

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Tonya S
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find parents who do not control their kids expect everyone around them to accept this. I absolutely do not! I hate when brats kick my seat or keep making noise &; Yes, many times the parents are younger and ignore their childs actions. If u are a mom who wants to help out, good for u. But I'm not your village. I think in today's world of it's all about me, especially in the USA, nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore including when they decide to have THIER offspring! Yes a child is not mature as an adult, but I never pulled that c**p when I was a kid!! Never! I also always notice it's never an Asian child. Why is that? More discipline and better parenting I guess. Only today do you see parents let their children do whatever and then get defensive, preachy, and call for sympathy when people get angry or scold (parent) that child. You're not a bully for letting your kid kick my seat or cause a migraine? Is that your response at church or a theatre? Take responsibility!

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Jean Marsick
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have flown alone with a 1 & 4yr. old from Buffalo to Texas. I brought quiet toys, snacks along. I allowed 4yr. old to walk in airport to tire her & followed with infant in stroller. Sometimes flights went well, I always kept them from annoying others. Luckily passengers were polite with children on our flight KIds are immature adults. I applaud passenger that helped, more help, less complaints needed. How would feel in same situation?

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Ash
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We need more such positive stories. I don't care if the woman was digging for fame or whatever. What she did at that moment was simply incredible.

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Cheri Barker-Belcourt
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I bet that the 3 year old did not intentionally kick the back of the chair. The child probably was doing as the mom said and was trying to scoot herself to sit straight up. Regardless. Children are children. When you fly you never know what you are going to encounter on the plain. As a parent and grandparent NOBODY has the right to put there hands on another persons minor child. ( or adult for that fact ) Nobody has the right to put there hands on a child without the patents permission. How dare anybody judge another persons parenting ability just by a stupid airline flight. Thank god there are nice people in this world willing to help. I would help any parent in a heart beat on a plane if needed. People don't help to get accolades. They help because they are a good human being!!!!!

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Michele Kobus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad she helped out, but I'm a bit torn. I think it's irresponsible of both parents to saddle one with parenting three or four kids in this situation. Why is she traveling alone with them when it's obvious how difficult that is. I paid for a seat too, and having my backside kicked for an hour isn't what I paid for. Kids cry, I understand that. Particularly infants, and IMHO, it boarders on child abuse to drag an infant along on a long trip. Their ears hurt, they have a dirty diaper (oh, and thanks for taking care of that situation on the tray table where the next passenger is going to eat) or they have ADD. If you have the money for all those tickets, how about buying one more for some other adult to assist you. Or drive.

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Carol Norwell
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Leni....you are so not getting this. It isn't a case of saying...how great am I.....she is saying we should all be doing this and not sitting there like 40 year old toddlers pulling faces and behaving badly because there is a crying kid.....do something useful instead.

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Leslie .Ann
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know enough about this mother to say anything about her but I've found a lot of parents these days treat their children like bright, shining stars that can do no wrong. It's infuriating. The other day I was walking with my dogs and a little boy walking towards us, stuck his hand in front of my dog's face and tried to 'pet' him. I told him 'Hey, never touch a dog without asking the owner' and the mother lost her s**t. She screamed at me and told me not to tell her child what to do. I just walked away - if she wants her child getting bitten by a dog, what's it to me? It doesn't say how long between the lady asking this mother to get her kid to stop kicking her chair and putting her hand on the child's leg is, if it was right away then I'd say there were better ways to handle that situation. However if the mother didn't do anything to try and stop her child from kicking the chair, I think the woman wasn't in the wrong as long as she didn't hurt the child.

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Robyn Jones
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, 3 yr olds can understand lots of things....doesn't mean they will DO them. Children in this age range are notorious for being willful and stubborn. People seem to think if a child acts up even once that it's a huge fail on the parent's part and that the child should be beaten into submission or something. That's another lesson to be learned from this; children are not little adults and sometimes they are just going to cry and act up. People need to learn to be more understanding and compassionate about dealing with children. It's completely unreasonable to expect a small child to sit perfectly still and never make a peep. You did it when you were a child, I did it, everyone behaved the same way when they were this age. Yes, a parent needs to try to control a child who is acting out of control...it's just that the definition and expectations of what consists out of control has become.....out of control. And yes, grabbing a hold of someone else's child is a HELL no.

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Regina Phalanges
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For the love of God use punctuation, use correct grammar, and don't leave out words. If you want to sound like you have a well thought out and well constructed opinion at least try not to sound like an idiot. Thank you (you're vs your) (there vs they're vs their)

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Tina Lavoie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are people out there who try to help and who CAN help. But not everyone can withstand that kicking. I'm sorry but I have fibro and a kid kicking my seat throughout a flight would have me an anxiety, pain-ridden mess. If others can handle it, fine, but (in general and aside from this situation, which is admittedly difficult) I think we all know there are too many parents who don't give a s**t what their kids are doing as long as they have a bit of peace and don't have to go to the trouble of disciplining them. And those who enable them.

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Lulu Girard
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BTW. It's not everybody's job to take care of someone else's kid. Certainly not mine.

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Amina Hays
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody else chose for them, so why would people being annoyed at a crying child in aeroplane make them horrible and rude?

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Amina Hays
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why should a stranger's decision to have a baby be forced onto other people who are then expected to just happily put up with it?

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Won Francis Sweeney
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gimme a break. I would have asked the woman to get her kid to stop kicking my seat too. I prob would then have tried to get the kid to play a game or something because I was bored and frustrated myself. I wouldn't have touched he kid though. That's insane. Please, if you have kids DON'T expect people to have the same level of patience as you. Flying is already a stressful, unpleasant experience these days and patience is thin.

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Sara York
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I read the comments and see what is wrong with our world. People are just mean selfish jerks who don't want to help other people.

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Nathaniel Parsons
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmmmm. This is why I fly first class. I think it is great that she helped the woman but I am not into child care or children. I do feel bad when a kid has a melt down on the plane because I know it must be uncomfortable but I am not the one to handle that situation. I would not make faces or plug my ears but I understand when there is high pitched screaming it is hard to deal with what is already an uncomfortable crowded flight. I have sat next to people who had adorable well-behaved kids and enjoyed the flight. Bottom line: I am a grumpy old man and you can deal with that just like you deal with kids.

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Catherine Kirk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sitting beside me on a 15 hour flight from Beijing, a man was travelling with a crying 13 month old. He kept telling me that she really liked women and tried to hand her over to me several times. Not all travellers with children are reticent about asking for help and while I applaud this woman's kindness I think judging all her fellow passengers is harsh.

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Marianne Brennan
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm reminded of when I was in my 20s returning home after my father's funeral. I was on a 4 am, 3 hour train ride and was to return to work that same day. I was completely fried after several days with little sleep and high stress dealing with a dysfunctional family, funeral arrangements, worrying about my mom. I desperately needed just little bit of shut eye. As luck would have it, the only seat available was behind a woman traveling alone, across country with he 3 small wide awake children. I passive aggressively shushed them at one point, and she lit into me in front of everyone waking up several passengers. Draw your own conclusion about right or wrong. I just know everybody has a story.

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Deirdra Burgess
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know what! She is absolutely 100% right. What in the hell is wrong with a plane full of people who wouldn't offer to help? You have kids or grandkids. Get off your a*s and help them.

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Margaret O'Connor
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No one has the right to go through life depending on the kindness of strangers. If it takes 2 people to manage your kids then it is your responsibility to bring an additional adult.

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Elaine Walkden
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Had to love her nice plug at the end for her business. It wasn't so much that she posted the story that bothered me, even though most of us can do things to help others without bragging about it. It was the replies from some of her followers. Some of them wanting to track down the face makers and the woman covering her ears. When someone brings up maybe the others had sensory or anxiety issues, they or the conditions were mocked. Those horrible people are worse than kid on plane dislikers.

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Victoria Kim
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a three-year old is kicking the seat in front, maybe the SEATS ARE TOO CLOSE!

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Amy Harmon
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I applaud compassion, but heres a place she buggared up. The lady w her hands over her ears may have had a good reaßon. Like an ear infection. Or asperger's syndrome. As an asperger's sufferer I can tell you noise is excruciating. You want compassion give it.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or just not wanting to hear it. It's her ears, she doesn't need an excuse to cover them.

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Sheila Brown
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hated travelling with my kids when they were children. They were very well behaved normally but enclose them in a metal box and don't let them watch films until after takeoff which could be 45 minutes without anything to look at and books in the overhead rack to keep the foot area free and it was obvious what would happen. I also had a problem with a screaming baby who I think had ear problems from the pressure. I just ignored the other passengers. If they can't help then don't complain. The worst experience was on the London tube during rush hour going to Heathrow. A guy told me I shouldn't travel on the tube with kids and luggage during rush hour. Hello? One flight each day to Dallas and you think I should miss it?.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You shouldn't miss it but you should be more considerate of other people. You don't seem to want to share or take others into consideration and it's double bad because you're teaching your kids the same.

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Agathe May
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don t really get it... need help? her baby is just crying. Babies cry. nothing new, it s really pain in the a*s for others cause you can t escape it in a plane and not everybody is used to it but there s nothing you can do. I dont see why she needed help? let the baby cry, it s like that, people arent pleased but who cares ^^ for the kids kicking seats i am totally on the side of the passenger. It s education nothing else and it is very annoying but adults do it too. After it seems that this mother has a older child. I dont now the age but couldnt she asked her kid to help her??? couldnt he hold the baby? My mom never needed anyone help for us... kids are just annoying in confined space, it s a fact, and if for plane i am very understanding (even if i cant sleep for 15 hours because of it), i am not that nice in cinema or restaurant or other place. It s not that easy to say or help someone about kids, you never know if the mom will take it well or not, if the limits are not exceeded.

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Karlleen Hoadley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel it is our duty to raise kids all of them that we can they may not be your but one day they could save your life or someone close to you and make this world better it's our second generation we need to be a villiage im a strong believer in this. I have offered my help before I had kids to now after having two of my own. And I will and I'm not afraid to stand up for my self or someone in this need.

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manowce
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

actually it is not your duty to raise someone else's job. also: some people DO NOT want your helps. I would not let a stranger touch my kid, let alone keep it on their lap.

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Pam Gilliam
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My post has nothing to do with abortion I was talking about China who kills any child other than the first born son.

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Ja Legge
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see any problem if she had help. Two sides who r frustrated, what is the best solution??? Help within a community.

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also jeez, where were the stewardesses in this situation? The stewardesses from better airlines would have helped. =/

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Trudie Loesche
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Try to grasp this. There is such a thing as an accidental conception, but there is no such thing as an accidental birth. Spawning or not is a choice we all have. Children are optional. So if you thoughtlessly had a baby, its care is on YOU, not random strangers on a plane. Believe me, we who are childfree do everything we can to avoid kids. Your job is to keep them safe and quiet.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Trudie, I too am a childless person, but when my friends with young kids are around me, I will help calm the kid down. It's called "being human". Also, don't forget, you were once a baby as well. That's fine that you try to avoid helping people with kids, calm their kids down; but don't say that "all childless people" avoid kids. That's not 100% true!

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Mike Burcket
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow I hope your meddle comes in soon when is the national ceremony to celebrate someone who loves to toot their own horn.

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Aaaa Bbbb
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I applaud the author of the story... for leaving her toddlers at home and taking a vacation from them instead of with them. What an awesome choice!

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Cherie Derrick
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the lady had hearing issues, she may have been in physical pain from the child screaming, I know I am when it happens and yes, I make faces too when I'm in pain.

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Donna Tams
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great that you helped the mom with the 3 kids but don't judge the person with their hands over their ears, they might of been autistic.

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Craig Paterson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't travel with 3 kids alone, this is what this story tells us. 1 kid, maybe 2 if 1 is sensible and well behaved. If there are more then don't travel, or be prepared for negative responses when you can't handle them all

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, if a person goes to another state, or country, to see their family, and their family haven't met the kids, you think that it's best to leave the kids at home, when the family want to meet them? People shouldn't be so negative. We were all kids once; but adults seem to forget that they were.

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Leslie Hickcox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a person with serious back problems, a toddler kicking my seat more than once or twice would absolutely warrant me doing whatever is necessary to make them stop - if their parent is unwilling or unable to do so - including grabbing the child's leg. (oh hell yes - your child does not get to make my physical pain worse) That being said, I think it is wonderful that this woman stepped in to help. I believe I would have done the same, and tried to help in any way that I was able to, including keeping the children entertained. I love children and used to work as a school counselor. People do need to have manners, be patient and try to help others in need.

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Bob W.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here is an idea: Don't fly until your kids are old enough to handle it. I'm sick of entitled parents who thinks the world should roll out the red carpet for them because they happened to reproduce.

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Nicki Savage
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't f*****g touch other people's kids. That's the issue. You did that to my kid, you'd end up with a black eye.

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MidS
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then f*****g control your kid. Not everyone sees other people's kids as precious' and 'adorable'. If the kid is a brat and the parents give no f***s about it, others will react.

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Marty BlackEagle-Carl
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It takes a village, we're all here to help each other on this planet. No one lives in a vacuum

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Birma Gustafsson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm amazed how "childish" GROWN people can be! Children are CHILDREN! They can't help it! But GROWN people can! Be freakin' NICE to each other! We can never know what hell people have, all we see is some of the fall-out. So just let's be NICE.

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Cat person
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No thanks. I was on a plane with a baby directly behind me, directly in front of me, directly across from me and somewhere up ahead! Hell!!!

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Kate Marešová
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, no and no. Something similar happened to me a few days ago, my flight was really early in the morning so most of the people just wanted to sleep on the plane and guess what, they couldn't... I don't really see why you should take your child aboard the plane if you know they cannot take it, your child is your responsibility, it's that simple. I don't see why people cannot wait like 3 years before they go on vacation with their child.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe because the parents want a FAMILY holiday, which means taking the KIDS with them? Some parents have never traveled with a child before, so how are they to know how their kids would react? And even if they do react in such a way, remember that once upon a time, we too, were children! Can't handle a screaming kid? Get yourself a set of earphones. It's not your decision, whether or not parents take their kids with them or not on a flight.

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Amanda Godwin
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just a thought but couldnt the air lines seperate economy. Put all the parents and kids at the front and the miserables at the back so the less tolerant are kept away from seat kicking. Kid noise would still travel but would it would limit the decibels Parents should be more accepting of children learning flight etiquette.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The parents are the miserables. Are you suggesting they have the whole plane? Even in this story, the mom is the one suffering and overwhelmed and unable to even fly like a normal person.

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Petra Christovová
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, if someone´s child kept kicking my seat and roaring directly into my ears, I would be probably "a bit" annoyed too. Nice that you helped, but the story implies that everyone else are a bunch of demons or whatever. See, some people are highly sensitive to the noise. For example my mother has migraines and certain sounds make her sick and can push her into the really bad migraine fit. Maybe the older lady had similar problem, we do not know. My point is that the story is kind of black and white, without even trying to symphatise with anyone else than the mother.

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Missy George
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First off I think people forget kids can't be disciplined like they could be 30 yro. 15 yro I couldn't give my child a little heavy pat on the diaper/pull up without being afraid someone would report me for child abuse. Then when he was in elementary school, I know that it would have only taken 1 to 3 different occasions a good smack across the mouth when being disrespectful. But you can't do that cause the child might report you for child abuse. I also agree with the 'oh hell no'. Not because the woman told the child no BUT because she grabbed the child's leg. It is not as if was a safety issue.

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Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To be honest, I've never been significantly bothered by a child on a plane, but I've had some truly horrible theatre experiences.

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zenithorton
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to agree with Selma Bourasseou in terms. I have 3 kids my 1st I just looked at her and she knew straight away she had to behave. My 2nd one, I could scream, roll in the floor, beg, cry and she just give me a big poop. Now my 3rd is also very well behaved girl and never ever made me upset in shops or busy places. I always teached my kids to live in society and respect the other. I can not say I have failed on my 2nd because she is 16 and still with really weird behave when she needs to be out of the house (something more about psicologic ). Then, in situations like that when you see a parent struggling with a child if you can not help, please be quiet. But there is situations where the parents is a bunch of banana without any active voice and the kids really take over and makes everyone's life in a he'll., yes that one, if they can not educate their kids make us a big favor stay indoors until you learn how to grow a child into a citizen to live in society.

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Doug Magee
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's wrong with this story is that any child over the age of 2 is required by law to have their own seat. So they wouldn't have let a 3 year old ride on somebody's lap. So I'm calling b******t on this whole thing.

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Michal Hershtal
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Back when I was in college, I flew back and forth a lot. On one flight, I happened to sit next to a particularly chatty lady (it wasn't so bad...she was entertaining) and at some point, a young kid in the row behind us started acting up. Fussing, crying...so the lady next to me turned to me and said, "Time for some stranger intervention." She turned around and to the shock of the child and the delight of the parents, started talking to the kid, making funny voices, and generally being a friendly person. The kid stopped fussing and cheered up, and I think everyone was better off. Yes, it takes a village sometimes. And to the people who say, "if you can't control your kid, you shouldn't fly", listen up: you can't just shut yourself up in your house until your children magically learn how to act like adults in public places. Kids are kids. How do you think they're going to learn if they aren't given the opportunity to do so?

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are other options besides not flying and shutting yourself in. There are many other forms of travel and also a big difference between kids "acting like adults" vs kids not inconveniencing others. It doesn't have to act like an adult, it just needs to not cause a commotion. One year olds are not learning how to behave on a plane. The kid will learn when it's older.

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MidS
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a child were kicking my seat, I'd pull their leg too. Parents need to control their kids. We don't have to suffer because you can't handle your toddler's tantrums. Oh and 'It takes a village to raise a kid' doesn't apply on a plane. People are annoyed and tired. The last thing they'd wanna do is take care of your kid. Also please stop with the 'holier than thou' rhetoric.

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Leni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't touch other people's kids. If you want to deal with the kid, use your words. Or is that an example you never had?

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Gábor Angyal
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

toddlers have nothing to do on a plane, its irresponsible from the parent to take a 1-2 y.o kid on a holiday, he/she is too young for that

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Sheralyn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lmao yours is an unpopular opinion. I actually think both sides have a point - no one is obliged to put up with a screaming kid for too long, and yet sometimes kids need to travel for good reasons. But the ones who should really be condemned are the parents who do NOTHING to stop their kids from screaming. In this case, the woman was obviously at her wits' end.

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Suzanne Stromberg
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is old news. Sorry, been happening for years. I was all in until I read at the end how you don't accept friends on your personal account…OK, no prob.

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Trudie Loesche
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

STFU, brats and breeders. Stay off planes until you can be quiet.

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Steven Anacker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The person who wrote this article is one of the most judgemental characters in this drama.

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Bob W.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This seems to be an issue with American children, and their self absorbed parents. I've observed it a number of times on international flights. Parents from other nations appear to have much better control over their children. As a flight attendant friend once joked to me: "Working a round trip to Orlando is the biggest motivation to seek birth control".

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Peter Hewel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many years ago, waiting on a long line at Subway, the lady in front of me had a boy about 7 or 8. He was throwing a fit. Screaming at her and acting up as loudly as his lungs could produce. She ignored him. This went on for at leasg 5 minutes non-stop. I had enough. As soon as lil bastard mace eye contacg, delighting in the misery he was causing I steatnly said "will you shut up"!? The mother immediately threw a fit. I looked at her and laughed, it is impossible to intimidate me. Then this little black guy behind me asked me if I wanted to step out and fight him. He was about 5'. I'm 6'3" I bend down to get in his face and with a slight smile, I just said "yeah". He moved back a few steps. Serenty and silence filled the Subway for the rest of my visit. With children, as well as adults, sometimes you just gotta put your foot down. I have no problem telling anyone who is way out of line, they are out of line. I've done it many times.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not nice to cuss at kids, no matter how bad they are. The mother of the child probably already had a go at him, and just had enough. Oh, and kids are not "little bastards", they're just kids. I bet you'd do the same as that mother and that man did if someone were to talk in such a way to your own kids (that's if you have any).

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Leslie Hickcox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have serious back problems. If you kick my seat more than once or twice, I consider that to be physical assault. Expect your leg to be grabbed.

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Long Joan Silver
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do too, but if I get annoyed, I don't go grabbing peoples legs. I don't care if it's an adult or a child, I just move seats.

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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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Els Jacobs
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just can't believe that not a single person on that flight has/had little kids. I know that there are s****y parents who don't care if their kids are misbehaving, but you can at least try to communicate with them in a normal way. You don't have to yell, grab the kids, make stupid faces or make assumptions. That just isn't your place to do as a stranger. I also get annoyed from kids in my environment, but they are just kids and they still have to learn what's wrong and what's right. The bad reactions from strangers don't help on making that difference. Kids only think: "If they can do it, so can I". And that makes it very hard for parents to try to teach their kids. So in stead of making it worse, first try to help.

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Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well if they don't have kids maybe it's fair they don't want to be bothered by them. I have long hair. Many people never had long hair so they don't know how hard it can be to keep it from getting in food or blowing in someone's face. That doesn't mean I can just let it happen, so I cover it or tie it if I'm cooking. It's not the short haired people's problem. The parents can be the same and do something to not inconvenience everyone else.

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Janelle Peterson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally taking sides with the author! Know why? It isn't because I don't sympathize with adults being annoyed by kids, it's because annoyed adults are a petty problem. They don't make violins small enough. Suck it up, and engage with your community like a decent grown-a*s adult by shutting you mouth if you're too s****y to help people.

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Kjorn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

people who doesn't have kids or PERFECT MOTHER who's kids are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO perfect are the worst. When i hear a kids crying or in tantrum i'm never angry because I KNOW what's to be in that parent shoes!

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Amy Craig
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd punch a b***h who dared to lay a hand on my kid, that's for damn sure. I feel very sympathetic toward the struggling mom and think it's awesome that SOMEONE actually tried to offer a hand instead of being a jerk like all the people making faces, yelling, etc. Grown-a*s folks acting worse than the damn three-year old, it's ridiculous.

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Melody Lanzatella
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Additionally, sometimes a second pair of hands is ABSOLUTELY vital! Because the crying children can feel their mothers stress! A calm pair of helping hands are just the remedy for this situation! ANOTHER THING "adults" should know!!!

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lbmouse
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6 years ago

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Not surprised by the action of the other passengers. When our leader doesn't care about other human beings it sets the tone for the entire nation.

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Julie Walker
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6 years ago

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Oh, I can't add you as a personal friend, but I can go to your business page? What a surprise!! Well, you know what, you can f**k off! You are a self serving waste of space who left HER OWN children to go on holiday!...and then bragged about it!

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Lynn Provost
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I think the grabbing of the leg was ok as long as it wasn't hard or meant to hurt the child...as for the rest...ON POINT! You don't just mumble and grumble...you help! We are a society not a free for all. P.s. the grab would shock the kid enough to change the behavior.

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