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Mom Furious Over Guy Not Giving Up His Airplane Seat Makes Snide Remarks, He Turns To The Internet To Ask Which One Of Them Was In The Wrong
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Mom Furious Over Guy Not Giving Up His Airplane Seat Makes Snide Remarks, He Turns To The Internet To Ask Which One Of Them Was In The Wrong

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Long flights are exhausting, so when there’s an opportunity to allow yourself more comfort in the air, you take it.

Which is exactly what Reddit user Bratster22 did. For one of his recent trips, the man booked himself a seat with extra legroom.

However, a woman with a baby approached him during boarding and asked if he could swap seats with her husband, forcing the man into an awkward predicament.

Ultimately, he refused. But as time went by and Bratster22 told other people about the incident, he started having doubts about it.

To put it all behind himself, he told what happened to Reddit’s ‘Am I The [Jerk]?‘ community, asking its 4 million members to be the judge of his actions. Continue scrolling to read the story and let us know what you think about it in the comments.

A couple was excited about their flight to Asia but were forced into a tough spot even before the plane took off

Image credits: Paul Hanaoka (not the actual photo)

A new mom wanted them to switch seats with her husband and didn’t want to take no for an answer

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Image credits: ismail mohamed – SoviLe (not the actual photo)

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Bored Panda got in touch with Bratster22 to find out more about the Redditor’s trip and he agreed to have a little chat about it.

Since he paid a premium for the seat, Bratster22 doesn’t think there could’ve been a scenario that would have convinced him to make a different decision. “We chose specific seats to make the journey comfortable for us,” the man said. “I’m not sure why anyone would think that a stranger would voluntarily give up a paid seat for them.”

According to Betty Thesky, a flight attendant for a major U.S. airline and author of Betty in the Sky With a Suitcase: Hilarious Stories of Air Travel by the World’s Favorite Flight Attendant, controversies ignited by airline seating make the headlines regularly.

“As a passenger, you are perfectly within your rights to ask another passenger to move seats,” she told Reader’s Digest. “Just be aware there is a good possibility they will say no, especially if they will end up with a less desirable (middle) seat.”

But Jacqueline Whitmore, former flight attendant, etiquette expert, and founder of The Protocol School of Palm Beach, explained to the same outlet that it’s one thing if a fellow passenger asks you to swap seats, but something else entirely when a flight attendant asks you to move.

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“Flight attendants move passengers for a variety of reasons (families who want to sit together or passengers with short connections are the most common reasons),” Whitmore said.

In our case, the cabin crew weren’t of much help at the beginning of the dispute. “They just repeated what the lady had said—if the husband could be seated next to her. They asked me if I would swap to a second-row seat which would have been a downgrade,” Bratster22 recalled.

But according to Whitmore, usually, you don’t need to be worried about moving to a seat that’s worse than yours. “If a flight attendant asks you if you will switch seats, try to be as accommodating as possible. You may end up getting an upgrade or a better seat. Flight attendants will do their best to put you in a comparable seat, not a worse seat.”

Of course, when you pay additional money, you have every right to refuse a change that would diminish the value of the product or service that you’re getting.

Looking back, Bratster22 said, “I wouldn’t have made a Reddit post if the lady had just let it go instead of being rude.” But now the Redditor is glad that he did. “The attention my post has received was unexpected. I’m happy about the vindication.”

People thought the man had every right to refuse

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If you end up in the woman’s spot and would like another seat after boarding the plane, Whitmore said the first thing you should do is ask the nearest flight attendant if it’s OK.

If the seat is not a premium seat and does not require more money, it shouldn’t be a problem.

As far as timing goes, Whitmore thinks it’s best to ask flight attendants about swapping your seat before the boarding doors close. But if for some reason you can’t do that, wait until the plane has reached a comfortable cruising altitude.

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Of course, you don’t need to involve a flight attendant and can adopt a more do-it-yourself approach. In fact, it often can be the way to go about it.

“If you can handle it on your own, then do so. Most people will swap seats with you if you want to sit with your family,” Whitmore explained. “However, if you want a window seat and the window seat in your row is occupied, then you may ask a flight attendant to find one for you. Keep in mind that this should have been done with the gate agent before you boarded the plane.”

As with most cases in life, use your best judgment!

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michellec0581 avatar
Michelle C
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this whole "I have a baby now give me things" attitude. I just put on my best I don't give a fvck look and say NO. I wouldn't even explain why....just NO

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ToGo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always book and pay extra for the seat I want. If someone wants specific seats, I suggest they do the same. I can't stand people who think having a baby means that their needs are more important. What if the person your asking to move has pain, an injury, anxiety etc (not that they need an excuse to refuse your request). I, and I believe many people, do make allowances for people with babies when we can but it's not owed to you.

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Trillian
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That sounds like they were trying to get the seat w/o paying. If she paid and didn't get it she needs to take it up with the flight attendants. Also if the husband is just a row back the can easily take turns with the baby. We always switched the seats among the two of us, whoever was holding the baby got the more comfortable seating. No way would I give up a seat that I had specifically paid for.

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Zero
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's worded awkwardly, but the center aisle is 1 row back from the outside aisles. So outside row 2 is next to inside row 1. Meaning if the mom just took the aisle seat, she'd have been next to the husband (with the center walking space open of course).

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Tara Moov
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The airline isn't coming across well in this, especially the attitude and request by the steward. I once ended up sitting next to an obese man. The poor guy tried explaining to both me and the flight attendant that he had paid for two seats, but she said it was a full flight and everyone needed a seat (and I was sitting in the seat number printed on my ticket, as was he). They had overbooked to hedge their bets, a common occurrence, and then didn't accommodate his request when all of the passengers did show up (maybe he cleared it up after we landed, but there was no mention of refunding him for the ENTIRE SECOND SEAT he had purchased). The poor guy looked so uncomfortable the whole flight, trying to smoosh himself against the window so he wouldn't spill over too much onto my seat. I felt bad that he had gone out of his way to make arrangements for both his and his fellow passengers' comfort and then the airline was like, nah, screw you.

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like I said in here, the airlines won't help, because it's "not their policy." They put the onus on us to be assholes. And when you write and call after, and beg for help, they double down. They know we can't afford to sue them for things like this. I now have a permanent disability thanks to Delta Airlines and their "it's not our policy" excuses.

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Just Browsing
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I usually just say 'no, sorry, if the plane falls and bursts into flames I would like for them to be able to identify my remains by my seat number'. It works.

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Janet Thompson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am so sick of people with kids thinking they're entitled because of their choice to have kids and or poor planning. Being a parent doesn't make you superior or special. You don't get a special pass!

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IlovemydogShilo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. I hate the fact that people even do stuff like this. They seem to go through life not planning anything or thinking things through and thinking they're entitled to whatever they want and the whole world will bend to their will and jump through hoops for them just because they have a baby child or children. For those of us who don't, it's not our fault if you don't plan ahead or think things through and then things don't work out the way you want them to. Put up and Shut up and deal with your situation and stop expecting everyone else to make allowances for you, or to run around after you, just because you have kids.

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deanna woods
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never flown before, but all of this drama I keep reading about makes me not want to. In the last few weeks, I've read articles about people not wanting other passengers to eat snacks in front of their kids, people with babies planning poorly and getting mad at others for not letting them fix it, and people getting upset with other passengers for what they are watching on their own personal device. Needing special accommodations doesn't mean that everyone on the plane is supposed to cater to you. She asked them to switch, they said no, end of discussion. Giving someone a dirty look is not going to make them change their minds. It's not like they will think "This person is giving me eye daggers, you know what, I will just switch seats with them anyway." To everyone that reads this: YOUR POOR PLANNING IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE YOUR FELLOW TRAVELERS' PROBLEM! If you ask someone to switch seats and they say no move on with your life.

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's honestly okay most of the time. I'm a very nervous flier, and was scared to return to travel -- especially now that I have mobility issues -- but most people really are okay.

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Vicky Zar
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She did not want just to sit beside her husband or she would have taken the aisle seat. They just wanted a second first row seat without paying

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oktopus
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having travelled intercontinental with a baby (just the once mind you), we made sure to plan ahead and get the bulkhead seats. Would never dream of demanding to swap. However I suppose depending on the situation it would be reasonable to ask *politely* if a *mutually acceptable* seat rearrangement could be made.

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Amy Taylor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SAME!! My husband got a job in Tokyo and I planned wayyy ahead to get the bulkhead for my infant.

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Blackheart
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once, my husband and I were waiting on a table with my grandparents at a small, local restaurant. We were next in line. Two old ladies cut ahead of us a plopped down at the next available seat. Their excuse was "We're elderly," to which my grandmother responded, "What the hell am I? Point is, self entitled. She wanted you to alter your life for her. She was going to be inconvenienced. She thought it better you be inconvenienced. It has nothing to do with babies.

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AnnaB
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why didn't she offer HER seat to one of her husband's seatmates? That way she'd be next to her husband and the other passenger would have gotten some extra leg room.

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Two_rolling_black_eyes
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Responsibility comes with reproductive choice. Whether you have children and how you raise them (as long as its not harmful) is upon the parents.No one can tell you what to do and in return no one owes you anything for making your individual choices. The group only gets involved when it affects us all and not 1 individual,like schools, foster care, or childhood hunger. We strive for a world where everyone is valued equally regardless of age, creed, color, or any other factor. The concession that a crying baby that will make 200 people miserable is made because their right to travel is as important as anyone else. In return, the person who planned ahead and paid for a special seat does not lose their access because the relative of someone younger comes along later and wants it.

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Terry Tobias
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The last time I flew I specifically asked for a window seat because I don't like to have people brushing past me in the aisle. I can't relax that way and it was a 7 hour flight. A woman asked if I would switch with her husband so that they could sit together (his seat was the one behind hers). I politely said no and that I had booked that specific seat. I could feel her petulance for the whole flight and felt bad for a little while, but then I saw the most amazing thunderstorm going on beneath the clouds under us. It was night and it was breathtaking! As an aside, I like the comment by the person who said that they couldn't switch seats because they were superstitious and it would be bad luck! I'll have to remember that one!

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Id row
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sick of these entitled parents. No, you are not entitled to the seat I paid extra to have just because you had a kid. I didn't see on there where she asked someone sitting next to her husband to change with her. She wanted the extra room because she's selfish, entitled and rude. This whole entitlement epidemic is just getting worse and worse as entitlement breeds entitlement. She's probably raising her kid to think they're the sun and everyone revolves around them. I'm so tired of parents making their kids everyone else's problem.

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SS
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What’s missing from this explanation is that for long flights on this type of aeroplane, they have a special bassinet for babies that attach to the bulkhead for safety. So the lady very likely wouldn’t have been able to switch seats to sit next to her husband.

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James016
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On one flight my wife and I were asked to swap seats so a couple with a baby could use the bassinet. As their seats were in the same row just to the side we agreed. We still had the legroom. Another time I was on a flight and someone wanted to swap with me. That time I refused.

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Carol Emory
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you paid extra for the seat, keep it. I would have done so if I could have afforded it when taking a 6 hour flight to see my father. i could have played the pity party by letting them know it was probably the last time I would see him since he had late stage Alzheimer's, but I sucked it up and made it work. My back and hips were killing me by the time I got back home, but I got what I paid for. People need to stop guilting other people into solving their problems. You were NTA.

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Wolf127
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Heavens, if you are traveling with a baby/child you darn best be planning way ahead of time. I have seen too many mom/dad that board and ask people to move. What the hell have you been doing? Certainly not travel planning. Damn young people with Kardashians attitude -- excessive high expectations.

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Suz66
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA I get that babies have a hard time with flights, all the more reason to plan ahead. If they had equivalent seats it'd be different but she there people paid more for their seats (I'm a little miffed that the flight attendant suggested they move. She knows those seats cost more.)

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NeonDisco
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was always under the impression that it was forbidden to move from the seat that ur booked on?, the reason being that if there's a crash then it's easier to identify bodies by the seat number that they may still be strapped into.

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Nikki Sevven
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"You paid for the filet mignon while I paid for the meatloaf. Would you mind exchanging with me?" NTA. Other people are not entitled to things you paid for. She could have asked the person next to her husband to switch with her, then joined him in the second row if she really needed to be next to him.

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Ivana Bašić
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. If she is outnumbered with one kid, I seriously hope she doesn't have any more.

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4848532
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If someone offers me a better seat, then, sure, I'll switch. But I don't feel bad about saying no otherwise.

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Janet Graham
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am tired of the entitled attitude of some. Young parents can end up in that category by doing what this woman did. They seem to expect others to give up something valuable to them because a parent of a baby, toddler, special needs, or whatever child needs that seat, last piece of pie, or whatever. And it is not that I am mean. I raised my kids and I know how it can be. But to plan on and count on the kindness of strangers is beyond my comprehension. NTA, the mother is. Stand your ground!

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Alessa Gillespie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why didn't they book seats in advance if they knew they needed to be together? Why should the couple who planned ahead relinquish the seats they paid for? Seems very entitled of them.

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Geoff
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a bit of a preparation junkie... I like to plan ahead, I like to have all my ducks in a row and I don't like being rushed.... and I get it that not everyone is like me, and I'm fine with that.... but when I see people try to cut corners and then expect ME to help them out or do them favors, it annoys the heck out of me. If you're not going to be prepared, I fail to see how that is in any way my problem. Short answer: NTA

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A huge part of the problem is that the airlines WON'T help with these issues. They tell passengers that THEY are the ones who have to ask other passengers. This is how I, a not-small woman, ended up being crushed to the point of permanent joint damage by being seated next to a 400lb man who overflowed into my lap. I tried asking for help on the plane, nothing. After, I tried calling, complaining, begging, yelling, but "We don't have a policy to change passengers' seats," they kept answering. They don't care and won't help.

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Mandy Delaforce (PC Girl)
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What do you mean the steward came and asked you to move? Pretty sure that would NOT happen, and if it actually did, a complaint needs to be made. You paid for those seats. Ugh. Makes me furious.

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Anna Volkov
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol.. I was 5 years old a Russian immigrant coming to America on a big plane.. crazy shy.. was seated between two sweet ladies .. different row and column from my mom.. I was in tears.. hands to my face. Wouldn't look up, wouldn't eat.. one of the ladies went to the bathroom and I booked it to go find mom.. lol eventually I think someone ended up swapping seats so I can stay either my mom hahah I guess that was nice of them but yeah I remember that separation anxiety. Oh and on my way back from my husband and mine honeymoon we got seated in different spots.. was so sad.. but a bigger couple booked isle seats so they won't be squished by the window seats.. also refused to move as rhey specifically got the seats for comfort lol we were both on same row with that couple between us.. haha I was sad obviously not what I wanted to be traveling like with my husband.. I think that guy felt bad for me though as he tried to talk to me to get me distracted and not bored lol

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Amy Taylor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I flew to Japan from LA with my 2 kids..1 was an infant and I prepaid and booked the bulkhead seats as well as ordered the bassinet thing that hangs on the bulkhead. It's simple enough to do! Had I not, I would NEVER expect someone to move their seats to accommodate us. It's people like that who make us considerate people flying with children get side-eyed when we get on the plane.

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Pat Tamarin
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. I'd switch to a comparable seat, but not to a worse one. I'd give up my seat on a bus, but not on transportation where I planned ahead and the other person didn't.

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Heliocracy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents listen up. No one cares about your little disease bags but you.

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Damon Smithwick
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. If you pay for something, you have no obligation to give it up. Even if Jesus asks.

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Pat Ferryman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No absolutely not. Their lack of planning is not your problem. I’m 5 ft 9 female and traveled alone with children I always asked for the bulkhead seat . 47 years ago it allowed my son to play and the baby to sleep on a portable bassinet. I booked early they can do the same thing.

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JayWantsACat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Also, what morons got mad that they booked two aisle seats, which they are more than entitled to do? There would still only be a single seat in that column so wtf is the difference? They need to be more considerate of a stranger than themselves? lolwut

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Kristal
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not sure if this has been mentioned but on all aircraft in that formation, the middle row bulkhead is where the baby bassinets attach to the wall and are usually for people with babies. If non-baby people book it, they are usually moved. I worked for a major airline in reservations and my gosh, people are picky about seating (I am too for long flights). The airline I worked for would keep those seats from being booked by people without babies to not run into this problem. I think the OP is NTA but the airline is because they didn't warn the non baby people when they booked their seats (or just blocked it) and they actually urged the guy to switch to that second row seat. Lady with baby is entitled. I've witnessed only one parent with baby at the baby bulkhead while another is behing or across the aisle.

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Tammy Ralph
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They booked the seats they wanted in advance and PAID EXTRA for the privilege, p**s off.

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Abner_Mality
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I paid for a hamburger, but I want your steak. Give it to me because... baby!!"

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Jennifer Germain
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if the airline was able to offer OP a good seat why didn't they offer that to the woman with the baby? doesn't make sense, don't like your seat, talk to the airline not me.

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Dead Died Death
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We've had this from a couple before, they were literally the last people to board so clearly got the seats that were left. They kept asking for 30 minutes, eventually I snapped "give me the £100 that I paid to pre-book these seats and we'll swap, the response "well there's no need to be an arsehole about it". Another reason I refuse to fly economy any more.

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Jan Srbený
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you take a baby to a ten hour flight, you are piece of sh*t.

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KimB
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was about to say the same thing...find a sitter or wait until they're old enough to sit and behave.

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Eric G
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. The only people it should be entitled to extra legroom seats are tall people like me. I'm 6'4" and have to pay a fortune for extra legroom seats because planes just aren't built for me. It pisses me off to no end when I see short people in the exit rows. It's not a luxury for me, it's a necessity especially on Long flights.

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Mel Rupp
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If there is a certain word you refuse to have on your website...maybe you should steal fall your content from a subreddit called AM I the CERTAIN WORD. Just sayin'.

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KaliKat86
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would of gave her husband my seat but that's just me. I'm just much of kind person plus I've had 3 kids and yeah I agree with the women when they're that age you need all the help you can get.

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Tara Raay
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then maybe they should consider their child when making plans… Kids aren’t the centre of the world and aren’t more important.

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Zero
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1 year ago

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Slight YTA for booking seats away from each other & trying to game the system but other wise agree with the other NTA verdicts.

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Caligirl20
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How did they try to game the system? The poster paid the extra money for the seats....

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Michelle C
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this whole "I have a baby now give me things" attitude. I just put on my best I don't give a fvck look and say NO. I wouldn't even explain why....just NO

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ToGo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always book and pay extra for the seat I want. If someone wants specific seats, I suggest they do the same. I can't stand people who think having a baby means that their needs are more important. What if the person your asking to move has pain, an injury, anxiety etc (not that they need an excuse to refuse your request). I, and I believe many people, do make allowances for people with babies when we can but it's not owed to you.

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Trillian
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That sounds like they were trying to get the seat w/o paying. If she paid and didn't get it she needs to take it up with the flight attendants. Also if the husband is just a row back the can easily take turns with the baby. We always switched the seats among the two of us, whoever was holding the baby got the more comfortable seating. No way would I give up a seat that I had specifically paid for.

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Zero
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's worded awkwardly, but the center aisle is 1 row back from the outside aisles. So outside row 2 is next to inside row 1. Meaning if the mom just took the aisle seat, she'd have been next to the husband (with the center walking space open of course).

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Tara Moov
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The airline isn't coming across well in this, especially the attitude and request by the steward. I once ended up sitting next to an obese man. The poor guy tried explaining to both me and the flight attendant that he had paid for two seats, but she said it was a full flight and everyone needed a seat (and I was sitting in the seat number printed on my ticket, as was he). They had overbooked to hedge their bets, a common occurrence, and then didn't accommodate his request when all of the passengers did show up (maybe he cleared it up after we landed, but there was no mention of refunding him for the ENTIRE SECOND SEAT he had purchased). The poor guy looked so uncomfortable the whole flight, trying to smoosh himself against the window so he wouldn't spill over too much onto my seat. I felt bad that he had gone out of his way to make arrangements for both his and his fellow passengers' comfort and then the airline was like, nah, screw you.

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like I said in here, the airlines won't help, because it's "not their policy." They put the onus on us to be assholes. And when you write and call after, and beg for help, they double down. They know we can't afford to sue them for things like this. I now have a permanent disability thanks to Delta Airlines and their "it's not our policy" excuses.

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Just Browsing
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I usually just say 'no, sorry, if the plane falls and bursts into flames I would like for them to be able to identify my remains by my seat number'. It works.

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Janet Thompson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am so sick of people with kids thinking they're entitled because of their choice to have kids and or poor planning. Being a parent doesn't make you superior or special. You don't get a special pass!

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IlovemydogShilo
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. I hate the fact that people even do stuff like this. They seem to go through life not planning anything or thinking things through and thinking they're entitled to whatever they want and the whole world will bend to their will and jump through hoops for them just because they have a baby child or children. For those of us who don't, it's not our fault if you don't plan ahead or think things through and then things don't work out the way you want them to. Put up and Shut up and deal with your situation and stop expecting everyone else to make allowances for you, or to run around after you, just because you have kids.

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deanna woods
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never flown before, but all of this drama I keep reading about makes me not want to. In the last few weeks, I've read articles about people not wanting other passengers to eat snacks in front of their kids, people with babies planning poorly and getting mad at others for not letting them fix it, and people getting upset with other passengers for what they are watching on their own personal device. Needing special accommodations doesn't mean that everyone on the plane is supposed to cater to you. She asked them to switch, they said no, end of discussion. Giving someone a dirty look is not going to make them change their minds. It's not like they will think "This person is giving me eye daggers, you know what, I will just switch seats with them anyway." To everyone that reads this: YOUR POOR PLANNING IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE YOUR FELLOW TRAVELERS' PROBLEM! If you ask someone to switch seats and they say no move on with your life.

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's honestly okay most of the time. I'm a very nervous flier, and was scared to return to travel -- especially now that I have mobility issues -- but most people really are okay.

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Vicky Zar
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She did not want just to sit beside her husband or she would have taken the aisle seat. They just wanted a second first row seat without paying

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oktopus
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having travelled intercontinental with a baby (just the once mind you), we made sure to plan ahead and get the bulkhead seats. Would never dream of demanding to swap. However I suppose depending on the situation it would be reasonable to ask *politely* if a *mutually acceptable* seat rearrangement could be made.

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Amy Taylor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SAME!! My husband got a job in Tokyo and I planned wayyy ahead to get the bulkhead for my infant.

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Blackheart
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once, my husband and I were waiting on a table with my grandparents at a small, local restaurant. We were next in line. Two old ladies cut ahead of us a plopped down at the next available seat. Their excuse was "We're elderly," to which my grandmother responded, "What the hell am I? Point is, self entitled. She wanted you to alter your life for her. She was going to be inconvenienced. She thought it better you be inconvenienced. It has nothing to do with babies.

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AnnaB
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why didn't she offer HER seat to one of her husband's seatmates? That way she'd be next to her husband and the other passenger would have gotten some extra leg room.

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Two_rolling_black_eyes
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Responsibility comes with reproductive choice. Whether you have children and how you raise them (as long as its not harmful) is upon the parents.No one can tell you what to do and in return no one owes you anything for making your individual choices. The group only gets involved when it affects us all and not 1 individual,like schools, foster care, or childhood hunger. We strive for a world where everyone is valued equally regardless of age, creed, color, or any other factor. The concession that a crying baby that will make 200 people miserable is made because their right to travel is as important as anyone else. In return, the person who planned ahead and paid for a special seat does not lose their access because the relative of someone younger comes along later and wants it.

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Terry Tobias
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The last time I flew I specifically asked for a window seat because I don't like to have people brushing past me in the aisle. I can't relax that way and it was a 7 hour flight. A woman asked if I would switch with her husband so that they could sit together (his seat was the one behind hers). I politely said no and that I had booked that specific seat. I could feel her petulance for the whole flight and felt bad for a little while, but then I saw the most amazing thunderstorm going on beneath the clouds under us. It was night and it was breathtaking! As an aside, I like the comment by the person who said that they couldn't switch seats because they were superstitious and it would be bad luck! I'll have to remember that one!

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Id row
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so sick of these entitled parents. No, you are not entitled to the seat I paid extra to have just because you had a kid. I didn't see on there where she asked someone sitting next to her husband to change with her. She wanted the extra room because she's selfish, entitled and rude. This whole entitlement epidemic is just getting worse and worse as entitlement breeds entitlement. She's probably raising her kid to think they're the sun and everyone revolves around them. I'm so tired of parents making their kids everyone else's problem.

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SS
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What’s missing from this explanation is that for long flights on this type of aeroplane, they have a special bassinet for babies that attach to the bulkhead for safety. So the lady very likely wouldn’t have been able to switch seats to sit next to her husband.

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James016
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On one flight my wife and I were asked to swap seats so a couple with a baby could use the bassinet. As their seats were in the same row just to the side we agreed. We still had the legroom. Another time I was on a flight and someone wanted to swap with me. That time I refused.

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Carol Emory
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you paid extra for the seat, keep it. I would have done so if I could have afforded it when taking a 6 hour flight to see my father. i could have played the pity party by letting them know it was probably the last time I would see him since he had late stage Alzheimer's, but I sucked it up and made it work. My back and hips were killing me by the time I got back home, but I got what I paid for. People need to stop guilting other people into solving their problems. You were NTA.

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Wolf127
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Heavens, if you are traveling with a baby/child you darn best be planning way ahead of time. I have seen too many mom/dad that board and ask people to move. What the hell have you been doing? Certainly not travel planning. Damn young people with Kardashians attitude -- excessive high expectations.

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Suz66
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA I get that babies have a hard time with flights, all the more reason to plan ahead. If they had equivalent seats it'd be different but she there people paid more for their seats (I'm a little miffed that the flight attendant suggested they move. She knows those seats cost more.)

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NeonDisco
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was always under the impression that it was forbidden to move from the seat that ur booked on?, the reason being that if there's a crash then it's easier to identify bodies by the seat number that they may still be strapped into.

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Nikki Sevven
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"You paid for the filet mignon while I paid for the meatloaf. Would you mind exchanging with me?" NTA. Other people are not entitled to things you paid for. She could have asked the person next to her husband to switch with her, then joined him in the second row if she really needed to be next to him.

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Ivana Bašić
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. If she is outnumbered with one kid, I seriously hope she doesn't have any more.

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4848532
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If someone offers me a better seat, then, sure, I'll switch. But I don't feel bad about saying no otherwise.

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Janet Graham
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am tired of the entitled attitude of some. Young parents can end up in that category by doing what this woman did. They seem to expect others to give up something valuable to them because a parent of a baby, toddler, special needs, or whatever child needs that seat, last piece of pie, or whatever. And it is not that I am mean. I raised my kids and I know how it can be. But to plan on and count on the kindness of strangers is beyond my comprehension. NTA, the mother is. Stand your ground!

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Alessa Gillespie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why didn't they book seats in advance if they knew they needed to be together? Why should the couple who planned ahead relinquish the seats they paid for? Seems very entitled of them.

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Geoff
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a bit of a preparation junkie... I like to plan ahead, I like to have all my ducks in a row and I don't like being rushed.... and I get it that not everyone is like me, and I'm fine with that.... but when I see people try to cut corners and then expect ME to help them out or do them favors, it annoys the heck out of me. If you're not going to be prepared, I fail to see how that is in any way my problem. Short answer: NTA

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A huge part of the problem is that the airlines WON'T help with these issues. They tell passengers that THEY are the ones who have to ask other passengers. This is how I, a not-small woman, ended up being crushed to the point of permanent joint damage by being seated next to a 400lb man who overflowed into my lap. I tried asking for help on the plane, nothing. After, I tried calling, complaining, begging, yelling, but "We don't have a policy to change passengers' seats," they kept answering. They don't care and won't help.

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Mandy Delaforce (PC Girl)
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What do you mean the steward came and asked you to move? Pretty sure that would NOT happen, and if it actually did, a complaint needs to be made. You paid for those seats. Ugh. Makes me furious.

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Anna Volkov
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol.. I was 5 years old a Russian immigrant coming to America on a big plane.. crazy shy.. was seated between two sweet ladies .. different row and column from my mom.. I was in tears.. hands to my face. Wouldn't look up, wouldn't eat.. one of the ladies went to the bathroom and I booked it to go find mom.. lol eventually I think someone ended up swapping seats so I can stay either my mom hahah I guess that was nice of them but yeah I remember that separation anxiety. Oh and on my way back from my husband and mine honeymoon we got seated in different spots.. was so sad.. but a bigger couple booked isle seats so they won't be squished by the window seats.. also refused to move as rhey specifically got the seats for comfort lol we were both on same row with that couple between us.. haha I was sad obviously not what I wanted to be traveling like with my husband.. I think that guy felt bad for me though as he tried to talk to me to get me distracted and not bored lol

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Amy Taylor
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I flew to Japan from LA with my 2 kids..1 was an infant and I prepaid and booked the bulkhead seats as well as ordered the bassinet thing that hangs on the bulkhead. It's simple enough to do! Had I not, I would NEVER expect someone to move their seats to accommodate us. It's people like that who make us considerate people flying with children get side-eyed when we get on the plane.

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Pat Tamarin
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. I'd switch to a comparable seat, but not to a worse one. I'd give up my seat on a bus, but not on transportation where I planned ahead and the other person didn't.

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Heliocracy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents listen up. No one cares about your little disease bags but you.

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Damon Smithwick
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. If you pay for something, you have no obligation to give it up. Even if Jesus asks.

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Pat Ferryman
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No absolutely not. Their lack of planning is not your problem. I’m 5 ft 9 female and traveled alone with children I always asked for the bulkhead seat . 47 years ago it allowed my son to play and the baby to sleep on a portable bassinet. I booked early they can do the same thing.

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JayWantsACat
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Also, what morons got mad that they booked two aisle seats, which they are more than entitled to do? There would still only be a single seat in that column so wtf is the difference? They need to be more considerate of a stranger than themselves? lolwut

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Kristal
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not sure if this has been mentioned but on all aircraft in that formation, the middle row bulkhead is where the baby bassinets attach to the wall and are usually for people with babies. If non-baby people book it, they are usually moved. I worked for a major airline in reservations and my gosh, people are picky about seating (I am too for long flights). The airline I worked for would keep those seats from being booked by people without babies to not run into this problem. I think the OP is NTA but the airline is because they didn't warn the non baby people when they booked their seats (or just blocked it) and they actually urged the guy to switch to that second row seat. Lady with baby is entitled. I've witnessed only one parent with baby at the baby bulkhead while another is behing or across the aisle.

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Tammy Ralph
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They booked the seats they wanted in advance and PAID EXTRA for the privilege, p**s off.

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Abner_Mality
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I paid for a hamburger, but I want your steak. Give it to me because... baby!!"

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Jennifer Germain
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if the airline was able to offer OP a good seat why didn't they offer that to the woman with the baby? doesn't make sense, don't like your seat, talk to the airline not me.

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Dead Died Death
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We've had this from a couple before, they were literally the last people to board so clearly got the seats that were left. They kept asking for 30 minutes, eventually I snapped "give me the £100 that I paid to pre-book these seats and we'll swap, the response "well there's no need to be an arsehole about it". Another reason I refuse to fly economy any more.

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Jan Srbený
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you take a baby to a ten hour flight, you are piece of sh*t.

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KimB
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was about to say the same thing...find a sitter or wait until they're old enough to sit and behave.

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Eric G
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. The only people it should be entitled to extra legroom seats are tall people like me. I'm 6'4" and have to pay a fortune for extra legroom seats because planes just aren't built for me. It pisses me off to no end when I see short people in the exit rows. It's not a luxury for me, it's a necessity especially on Long flights.

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Mel Rupp
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If there is a certain word you refuse to have on your website...maybe you should steal fall your content from a subreddit called AM I the CERTAIN WORD. Just sayin'.

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KaliKat86
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would of gave her husband my seat but that's just me. I'm just much of kind person plus I've had 3 kids and yeah I agree with the women when they're that age you need all the help you can get.

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Tara Raay
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then maybe they should consider their child when making plans… Kids aren’t the centre of the world and aren’t more important.

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Zero
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Slight YTA for booking seats away from each other & trying to game the system but other wise agree with the other NTA verdicts.

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Caligirl20
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How did they try to game the system? The poster paid the extra money for the seats....

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