This Girl Explained The Difference Between A ‘Kill’ And ‘No-Kill’ Animal Shelter And It’s Eye-Opening
While most of us love and care for our furry friends, not all of us are prepared to go that extra mile and adopt one from a shelter when we finally decide to make the commitment of getting one. That doesn’t mean we don’t want to help though. Even if people are not ready to go for adoption yet, some of them choose to opt for volunteering and always run into the same dilemma – what shelter to choose. While private shelters are the most popular choice because of being “no-kill”, this Twitter user took an extra step to explain why that may not be the best approach and it’s eye-opening!
This girl figured out a rather obvious but usually misunderstood difference between animal shelters
Image credits: hannahschramm4
And took to Twitter to explain it to the good people of the Internet
Image credits: hannahschramm4
Image credits: hannahschramm4
Image credits: hannahschramm4
Image credits: hannahschramm4
Image credits: hannahschramm4
Image credits: hannahschramm4
Image credits: Theonewhomustn4
People were thankful for the knowledge she shared
955Kviews
Share on FacebookA lot of the no-kill shelters help the kill shelters by taking in dogs that would otherwise be hard to adopt. They understand the kill shelters have limited room. To understand better, watch Amanda to the Rescue. She often helps the California Kill Shelters by relocating dogs to Washington State because they are more readily adoptable there.
Yes! "Kill shelters" do not just automatically kill animals that have been in their system too long. Many have extensive foster programs and agreements with other shelters across their state or even across the country. Often, when you adopt an animal, you are required to spay or neuter because they just can't afford the procedure for every animal, but they will pay extra when they can to get an animal to another facility instead of putting it down. Even "kill" shelters go out of their way not to put animals down for no good reason and they really need support to continue taking care of neglected and abandoned animals.
Load More Replies...This post needs more boosting! All the Loves and all the upvotes and shares! ESPECIALLY during this time of year! How many of you out there in the great wide web are getting rid of your dog or cat to make room for a new Christmas puppy or kitten? Adopt don't shop! Also support your local animal shelter this holiday season by bringing in some food, old blankets and treats and toys for the animals there! Thank you that is all! Have a good day! :-)
I get what this post is saying yet I do still think there is something wrong with killing a healthy animal just for it not being adopted fast enough. Where I live (Netherlands) there are no kill shelters and we also dont say no to dumped/stray animals. So I dont understand why they dont do that everywhere. How I see it, is that the way the system is set up in kill-shelter-countries just isnt the best system.
So if you have 100 kennels and 150 dogs, what do you propose?
Load More Replies...PETA's animal shelters have a 98% kill rate within 24hrs of accepting the animals
every time you adopt from any shelter you save two animals... the one you adopted and the one who was able to take that empty spot in the shelter. I would volunteer at a shelter except that we have 19 cats taken from cages and streets and I basically LIVE in a shelter.
My local community shelter labels itself "no-kill". This is a lie. They kill not just incurably ill animals, but also any animal their staff deems unadoptable due to age or "condition" (e.g., one-eyed, three-legged, black-furred, scared to death of humans after abuse...) So do investiagte the standards of "NO KILL" as well. "Unadoptable" is a very subjective term, and around here? It means "any cat over 6 months, any dog over 5 years". We have half a dozen local no-kill refuges where animals can live out their lives regardless, and they do not consider any animal unadoptable. I myself am owned by several "unadoptable" animals. One is on my lap right now.
That animal shelter is evil, you are amazing. No animal is unadoptable unless it doesn't want to be adopted.
Load More Replies...Simply the existence of kill shelters blows my mind. They literally don’t exist in my country. And would be forbidden. I learned about them several years ago and am still horrified...
So where do strays and animals taken from bad owners end up?
Load More Replies...I have advised people many times to adopt from the county shelter when they want a cat because the cat only shelters.. altho I love them... keep every cat till it's adopted. you adopt from a regular shelter and you really save a life! AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BREEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A great read, and thanks for the info. But, we really need to get at the source of the problem. That problem is animal breeding. Over the past years there have been many puppy mills shut down. This has been great and I applaud those involved in the shut downs, but if you were to look and the number of puppy registrations at places like the AKC you will see that there has been an increase. This is due to hobby breeders and back yard breeders stepping in to fill the demand. And, social media has helped connect breeders and buyers faster than any form of advertising or retail marketing campaign. The reason why this is happening is because hobby and back yard breeders fly under the radar. There is little to no regulation. This is because these breeders pay no taxes on their sales. Their transactions are not reported to the IRS. There needs to be regulation and taxation on all forms of animal breeding. It will keep the numbers down and collection of taxes can help all shelters.
The other problem is pet propaganda, especially with dogs. Years ago, a shelter would never have even allowed a dog or rabbit adoption during holidays. Now, this is an advertised event. The very people that advertise it know these pets are impulse buys and thwe try to guilt people into keeping pets that can't can't care for or afford. A dog is like a child that never grows up so anyone thinking kids are a huge responsibility, remember that dogs are, too. The ads almost never show what dog ownership is really like during dog product placement on TV. Retail rescue is huge business. They have lobbyists and spend millions on advertising. They have NO interesting in stopping breeding.
Load More Replies...I don't know if it's still true, but back in '90s we found a stray cat that needed to be put down. The cat had managed to get one of its front legs into its collar, and was severely infected. It was obviously malnourished, and really just needed to be put out of their misery. Brought it to Michigan humane society, and they wouldn't except it. Did find a vet that helped, but we always thought that's what the humane society was for.
Our humane society in Arizona is really good and would have taken care of your stray. People often get it confused with HSUS and assume it receives funding from them, but it's funded entirely from donations to AHS - no government funding.
Load More Replies...Denver's largest "kill shelter" has benefited from community involvement. News programs feature "Pet of the Week" and are always adopted after people SEE the adorable dog/cat. They feature reading programs for kids with learning difficulties -- the animals are non-judgmental. Animals overcome fear, are friendlier, and are typically adopted 1-2 weeks after participating. When I lived in an apartment where pets weren't allowed, I visited the Dumb Friends League to sit with cats and dogs, pet them, practice putting on a leash and taking them for a short walk inside the kennel. DONATE clean towels and blankets, SEALED first aid supplies and UNEXPIRED prescription medicines. If your county shelter won't take them, small shelters and animal hospitals probably will.
Prescription medicines should not be given to any animal other than that for whom they were prescribed. Not safe.
Load More Replies...No kill is slow kill. No-kill warehouses dogs that are not safe. They create there own job. We do not need them.
Load More Replies...The dog I tried to adopt was in so much pain he could hardly get up and down my stairs. The vet said his pain meds would cost plenty, more than I could afford and HE DIDN'T WANT ME, HE WANTED THE *&^^%#@* THAT LEFT HIM THERE AT THE SHELTER. I had to return him and he couldn't wait to get out of the car and back to the place where they were never going to come back for him. He needed release from pain and sadness.
Your comment absolutely broke my heart.I look at my two rescues sound asleep in their beds and will give them lots of cuddles when they wake up.Do adopt another dog...best of luck to you.
Load More Replies...I am wondering about the state of humanity if things like kill-shelters even exist. If "out of room" is a proper cause to kill a sentient being instead of being punishable by law, similarly to how we punish manslaughter, society still has a long, long way to go.
"He who does not value life, does not deserve it." - Leonardo Da Vinci, Florentine painter, sculptor, architect, engineer (1452 - 1519) P.S. Leonardo Da Vinci was a vegetarian, he was not a hypocrite.
Load More Replies...Do people Really Not go to a Kill Shelter on Principal?? Ridiculous! So you refuse to go to a shelter that will kill an animal bc they have no room left when you could save it? Just ludicrous ! Every pet we've had came from City shelters. They actually did free care to help save a mange covered kitten with a heart of gold that is now my sweet fluffball.
Kill shelters take every means that they can to spare an animal from death. They will cooperate with many shelters or designated people who volunteer their homes for dozens of animals. I've seen one volunteer take in 100 cats, this is no joke. 100 cats from the shelters to be fostered and adopted out to avoid the dreaded injection. Others will take dogs, some will volunteer fostering small animals as well. Those shelters do everything to protect and love those animals. I've heard people say their staff are jaded and mean, but what do they expect when people leave animals behind with them? They suffer with those poor babies. They're not heartless. There have been families come in heartbroken and sobbing because something happened and they couldn't afford their family pet. They are empathetic to people who have no choice, they understand and do what they can to help. At least that animal didn't get abandoned on the streets. I sympathize for families who had hard decisions.
Please share this with your friends on FB and ask them to share. Save an innocent life; adopt from kill shelters, that alone should prompt people to give an animal, otherwise doomed, a chance to live. Please don't shop!! That's the best way to put cruel puppy mills out of business, because local governments will not ban them.
The term "no-kill" is misleading. I volunteered at the primary shelter for the area I used to live in (operated as an independent non-profit, but where Animal Control takes all the strays for the county) and they euthanized plenty of animals despite branding themselves as "no-kill". Basically, they were "no kill of adoptable animals", and their rationale as to what "adoptable" meant was very subjective. It's pretty typical that all wolf-dogs and bull terriers (and mixes) were considered non-adoptable just for what they are, generalist shelters generally either hand them over to a breed-specific rescue or euthanize them because of the liability. But beyond that, animals needing medical care, animals with behavior problems, animals which were returned to the shelter twice on failed adoptions, and animals who were old tended to be considered "not-adoptable". I'm pretty sure the only difference between a kill shelter and a no-kill shelter is that the former is more honest.
The dynamic is even more complex than this article presents but ultimately, the killing or not of abandoned pets has more to do with local government policy and social attitudes than the labels attached to any shelter. Rescue animals that you can but also lobby your council to make animal welfare a higher priority and provide adequate facilities/services.
That's absolutely true, udi. The corrupt governments do not have money for animals, their constituencies do not give a damn about suffering animals. This is in direct consequence and reason for all human "problems". The link between animal cruelty and violence against humans is indisputable.
Load More Replies...I have 2 cats from shelters and they are the most loving animals. Sadly my black cat (from a kill shelter) was not getting any adoptions and they were gonna put him down due to being a black 3month old kitten. Immediately I got him. I LOVE my black baby, such a cuddler. Then when I got my 3 month old calico, he has been affectionate to the point he purrs all the time when on me or my boyfriend
Some municipal shelters are no-kill (or, to be more accurate, low-kill). One such shelter is the animal shelter in Irvine, California. They keep some dogs and cats for many months with the expectation of a home placement. They have taken animals from other shelters that gave up hope on finding homes for the animals. They have taken animals from communities, some hundreds of miles away, impacted by fire or other natural disaster.
Also. A very important distinction is that there is a percentage of euthanasia that a no-kill shelter must not exceed - 10%. They must not euthanize more than 10% of healthy intakes. "Kill" shelters do not have a euthanasia upper limit. All of my animals are from kill shelters, and that's all I will ever adopt from.
Cool story. Now replace all of that with "human" and tell me that same information.
Where I live our shelter is terrible. They denied us a dog after a Meetup with our other dog (before he had to be put down due to old age), and the dog was scared of him. Because of that one Meetup we were deemed bad pet owners (even though our dog was healthy and happy at that time. He turned submissive to the dog he was meeting. But they told us. "You're bad pet owners." Mind you, they've watched our dog before when we went out of town. When we got him home he was underweight and was thirsty and hungry. The reviews on this place are horrible because the people who work there are rude and don't care about the animals. They constantly put down those who want to adopt or treat you like you're there to ruin their day. Not only that, but the shelter is dirty and they don't care for their animals. They also aren't open when they say they are open. The no kill adoption and rescue center in a different city, but still close to where I live is amazing. The staff was incredible and nice. We got to bond with our new dog. He's been with us since 2017 and he is a completely different dog. (He was abused and neglected by his previous owners and was aggressive when we got him home, but after he realized we weren't going to hurt him, he's loving and loves to play and cuddle. And will shower you with kisses) In a way I'm glad we were turned down by our local shelter because we got the best little dog out of it. His personality shines through now and he's a funny little dog at times.
Jasmine that's horrible It is because "people" who work in that shelter are relatives of the city elected officials. They both are corrupt, all they care about are their undeserved, inflamed salaries. Before you vote someone into the public office ask him/her what they plan to do for animals; that is the great indicator of their character, it would tell you what will they do for people they supposed to serve.
Load More Replies...Adopt from these shelters! They are doing there best and all Animals need love!
I've visited non-kill shelters, and I noticed new animals each time. I feel like they give some animals to kill shelters to switch up the animals that they have.
That would be really sad. I'm finding this a little odd, only coz apart from a few charities, which liaise with spca anyway, we just have the spca here in nz: society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. A lot of animals end up here as a last resort. It's where I got my big grump kitty Millie, shes awesome ^-^ I give what I can when I can even though I live below the "poverty line". If I wasn't physically challenged I would volunteer there too. If more of us volunteer and give a little, just a few bucks even, so many more could be saved!
Load More Replies...A lot of the no-kill shelters help the kill shelters by taking in dogs that would otherwise be hard to adopt. They understand the kill shelters have limited room. To understand better, watch Amanda to the Rescue. She often helps the California Kill Shelters by relocating dogs to Washington State because they are more readily adoptable there.
Yes! "Kill shelters" do not just automatically kill animals that have been in their system too long. Many have extensive foster programs and agreements with other shelters across their state or even across the country. Often, when you adopt an animal, you are required to spay or neuter because they just can't afford the procedure for every animal, but they will pay extra when they can to get an animal to another facility instead of putting it down. Even "kill" shelters go out of their way not to put animals down for no good reason and they really need support to continue taking care of neglected and abandoned animals.
Load More Replies...This post needs more boosting! All the Loves and all the upvotes and shares! ESPECIALLY during this time of year! How many of you out there in the great wide web are getting rid of your dog or cat to make room for a new Christmas puppy or kitten? Adopt don't shop! Also support your local animal shelter this holiday season by bringing in some food, old blankets and treats and toys for the animals there! Thank you that is all! Have a good day! :-)
I get what this post is saying yet I do still think there is something wrong with killing a healthy animal just for it not being adopted fast enough. Where I live (Netherlands) there are no kill shelters and we also dont say no to dumped/stray animals. So I dont understand why they dont do that everywhere. How I see it, is that the way the system is set up in kill-shelter-countries just isnt the best system.
So if you have 100 kennels and 150 dogs, what do you propose?
Load More Replies...PETA's animal shelters have a 98% kill rate within 24hrs of accepting the animals
every time you adopt from any shelter you save two animals... the one you adopted and the one who was able to take that empty spot in the shelter. I would volunteer at a shelter except that we have 19 cats taken from cages and streets and I basically LIVE in a shelter.
My local community shelter labels itself "no-kill". This is a lie. They kill not just incurably ill animals, but also any animal their staff deems unadoptable due to age or "condition" (e.g., one-eyed, three-legged, black-furred, scared to death of humans after abuse...) So do investiagte the standards of "NO KILL" as well. "Unadoptable" is a very subjective term, and around here? It means "any cat over 6 months, any dog over 5 years". We have half a dozen local no-kill refuges where animals can live out their lives regardless, and they do not consider any animal unadoptable. I myself am owned by several "unadoptable" animals. One is on my lap right now.
That animal shelter is evil, you are amazing. No animal is unadoptable unless it doesn't want to be adopted.
Load More Replies...Simply the existence of kill shelters blows my mind. They literally don’t exist in my country. And would be forbidden. I learned about them several years ago and am still horrified...
So where do strays and animals taken from bad owners end up?
Load More Replies...I have advised people many times to adopt from the county shelter when they want a cat because the cat only shelters.. altho I love them... keep every cat till it's adopted. you adopt from a regular shelter and you really save a life! AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BREEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A great read, and thanks for the info. But, we really need to get at the source of the problem. That problem is animal breeding. Over the past years there have been many puppy mills shut down. This has been great and I applaud those involved in the shut downs, but if you were to look and the number of puppy registrations at places like the AKC you will see that there has been an increase. This is due to hobby breeders and back yard breeders stepping in to fill the demand. And, social media has helped connect breeders and buyers faster than any form of advertising or retail marketing campaign. The reason why this is happening is because hobby and back yard breeders fly under the radar. There is little to no regulation. This is because these breeders pay no taxes on their sales. Their transactions are not reported to the IRS. There needs to be regulation and taxation on all forms of animal breeding. It will keep the numbers down and collection of taxes can help all shelters.
The other problem is pet propaganda, especially with dogs. Years ago, a shelter would never have even allowed a dog or rabbit adoption during holidays. Now, this is an advertised event. The very people that advertise it know these pets are impulse buys and thwe try to guilt people into keeping pets that can't can't care for or afford. A dog is like a child that never grows up so anyone thinking kids are a huge responsibility, remember that dogs are, too. The ads almost never show what dog ownership is really like during dog product placement on TV. Retail rescue is huge business. They have lobbyists and spend millions on advertising. They have NO interesting in stopping breeding.
Load More Replies...I don't know if it's still true, but back in '90s we found a stray cat that needed to be put down. The cat had managed to get one of its front legs into its collar, and was severely infected. It was obviously malnourished, and really just needed to be put out of their misery. Brought it to Michigan humane society, and they wouldn't except it. Did find a vet that helped, but we always thought that's what the humane society was for.
Our humane society in Arizona is really good and would have taken care of your stray. People often get it confused with HSUS and assume it receives funding from them, but it's funded entirely from donations to AHS - no government funding.
Load More Replies...Denver's largest "kill shelter" has benefited from community involvement. News programs feature "Pet of the Week" and are always adopted after people SEE the adorable dog/cat. They feature reading programs for kids with learning difficulties -- the animals are non-judgmental. Animals overcome fear, are friendlier, and are typically adopted 1-2 weeks after participating. When I lived in an apartment where pets weren't allowed, I visited the Dumb Friends League to sit with cats and dogs, pet them, practice putting on a leash and taking them for a short walk inside the kennel. DONATE clean towels and blankets, SEALED first aid supplies and UNEXPIRED prescription medicines. If your county shelter won't take them, small shelters and animal hospitals probably will.
Prescription medicines should not be given to any animal other than that for whom they were prescribed. Not safe.
Load More Replies...No kill is slow kill. No-kill warehouses dogs that are not safe. They create there own job. We do not need them.
Load More Replies...The dog I tried to adopt was in so much pain he could hardly get up and down my stairs. The vet said his pain meds would cost plenty, more than I could afford and HE DIDN'T WANT ME, HE WANTED THE *&^^%#@* THAT LEFT HIM THERE AT THE SHELTER. I had to return him and he couldn't wait to get out of the car and back to the place where they were never going to come back for him. He needed release from pain and sadness.
Your comment absolutely broke my heart.I look at my two rescues sound asleep in their beds and will give them lots of cuddles when they wake up.Do adopt another dog...best of luck to you.
Load More Replies...I am wondering about the state of humanity if things like kill-shelters even exist. If "out of room" is a proper cause to kill a sentient being instead of being punishable by law, similarly to how we punish manslaughter, society still has a long, long way to go.
"He who does not value life, does not deserve it." - Leonardo Da Vinci, Florentine painter, sculptor, architect, engineer (1452 - 1519) P.S. Leonardo Da Vinci was a vegetarian, he was not a hypocrite.
Load More Replies...Do people Really Not go to a Kill Shelter on Principal?? Ridiculous! So you refuse to go to a shelter that will kill an animal bc they have no room left when you could save it? Just ludicrous ! Every pet we've had came from City shelters. They actually did free care to help save a mange covered kitten with a heart of gold that is now my sweet fluffball.
Kill shelters take every means that they can to spare an animal from death. They will cooperate with many shelters or designated people who volunteer their homes for dozens of animals. I've seen one volunteer take in 100 cats, this is no joke. 100 cats from the shelters to be fostered and adopted out to avoid the dreaded injection. Others will take dogs, some will volunteer fostering small animals as well. Those shelters do everything to protect and love those animals. I've heard people say their staff are jaded and mean, but what do they expect when people leave animals behind with them? They suffer with those poor babies. They're not heartless. There have been families come in heartbroken and sobbing because something happened and they couldn't afford their family pet. They are empathetic to people who have no choice, they understand and do what they can to help. At least that animal didn't get abandoned on the streets. I sympathize for families who had hard decisions.
Please share this with your friends on FB and ask them to share. Save an innocent life; adopt from kill shelters, that alone should prompt people to give an animal, otherwise doomed, a chance to live. Please don't shop!! That's the best way to put cruel puppy mills out of business, because local governments will not ban them.
The term "no-kill" is misleading. I volunteered at the primary shelter for the area I used to live in (operated as an independent non-profit, but where Animal Control takes all the strays for the county) and they euthanized plenty of animals despite branding themselves as "no-kill". Basically, they were "no kill of adoptable animals", and their rationale as to what "adoptable" meant was very subjective. It's pretty typical that all wolf-dogs and bull terriers (and mixes) were considered non-adoptable just for what they are, generalist shelters generally either hand them over to a breed-specific rescue or euthanize them because of the liability. But beyond that, animals needing medical care, animals with behavior problems, animals which were returned to the shelter twice on failed adoptions, and animals who were old tended to be considered "not-adoptable". I'm pretty sure the only difference between a kill shelter and a no-kill shelter is that the former is more honest.
The dynamic is even more complex than this article presents but ultimately, the killing or not of abandoned pets has more to do with local government policy and social attitudes than the labels attached to any shelter. Rescue animals that you can but also lobby your council to make animal welfare a higher priority and provide adequate facilities/services.
That's absolutely true, udi. The corrupt governments do not have money for animals, their constituencies do not give a damn about suffering animals. This is in direct consequence and reason for all human "problems". The link between animal cruelty and violence against humans is indisputable.
Load More Replies...I have 2 cats from shelters and they are the most loving animals. Sadly my black cat (from a kill shelter) was not getting any adoptions and they were gonna put him down due to being a black 3month old kitten. Immediately I got him. I LOVE my black baby, such a cuddler. Then when I got my 3 month old calico, he has been affectionate to the point he purrs all the time when on me or my boyfriend
Some municipal shelters are no-kill (or, to be more accurate, low-kill). One such shelter is the animal shelter in Irvine, California. They keep some dogs and cats for many months with the expectation of a home placement. They have taken animals from other shelters that gave up hope on finding homes for the animals. They have taken animals from communities, some hundreds of miles away, impacted by fire or other natural disaster.
Also. A very important distinction is that there is a percentage of euthanasia that a no-kill shelter must not exceed - 10%. They must not euthanize more than 10% of healthy intakes. "Kill" shelters do not have a euthanasia upper limit. All of my animals are from kill shelters, and that's all I will ever adopt from.
Cool story. Now replace all of that with "human" and tell me that same information.
Where I live our shelter is terrible. They denied us a dog after a Meetup with our other dog (before he had to be put down due to old age), and the dog was scared of him. Because of that one Meetup we were deemed bad pet owners (even though our dog was healthy and happy at that time. He turned submissive to the dog he was meeting. But they told us. "You're bad pet owners." Mind you, they've watched our dog before when we went out of town. When we got him home he was underweight and was thirsty and hungry. The reviews on this place are horrible because the people who work there are rude and don't care about the animals. They constantly put down those who want to adopt or treat you like you're there to ruin their day. Not only that, but the shelter is dirty and they don't care for their animals. They also aren't open when they say they are open. The no kill adoption and rescue center in a different city, but still close to where I live is amazing. The staff was incredible and nice. We got to bond with our new dog. He's been with us since 2017 and he is a completely different dog. (He was abused and neglected by his previous owners and was aggressive when we got him home, but after he realized we weren't going to hurt him, he's loving and loves to play and cuddle. And will shower you with kisses) In a way I'm glad we were turned down by our local shelter because we got the best little dog out of it. His personality shines through now and he's a funny little dog at times.
Jasmine that's horrible It is because "people" who work in that shelter are relatives of the city elected officials. They both are corrupt, all they care about are their undeserved, inflamed salaries. Before you vote someone into the public office ask him/her what they plan to do for animals; that is the great indicator of their character, it would tell you what will they do for people they supposed to serve.
Load More Replies...Adopt from these shelters! They are doing there best and all Animals need love!
I've visited non-kill shelters, and I noticed new animals each time. I feel like they give some animals to kill shelters to switch up the animals that they have.
That would be really sad. I'm finding this a little odd, only coz apart from a few charities, which liaise with spca anyway, we just have the spca here in nz: society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. A lot of animals end up here as a last resort. It's where I got my big grump kitty Millie, shes awesome ^-^ I give what I can when I can even though I live below the "poverty line". If I wasn't physically challenged I would volunteer there too. If more of us volunteer and give a little, just a few bucks even, so many more could be saved!
Load More Replies...
369
94