Neighbors Stand Up Against Beekeeper After They Refuse To Give Up Their Hobby For A Neighbor’s Allergic Kid’s Sake
Nobody said you need to be BFFs with your neighbor. For most of us, tolerating them enough to not get annoyed by the tiny little things is already a blessing, and genuinely getting along sounds like a scenario from a fantasy movie. So this time, we are diving into the next-door drama that has divided people on the internet, showing not everything is straightforward when it comes to looking for truth in the midst of two neighbors.
The story was posted on r/AITA by the redditor u/buzzilovebeesbuzz, and you guessed it, the person really loves their bees. “I have been keeping bees as a hobby for six years now. I have 4 hives in my suburban backyard along with a large garden,” the author wrote and assured readers that beekeeping is perfectly legal and that their hives are properly registered.
But it turned out that the neighbors who recently moved in have a son who’s highly allergic to bees. For this reason, the new neighbors asked the author to get rid of the bees but as you may imagine, it just didn’t feel like an option for someone who’s been thoroughly invested in beekeeping for quite a while. Conflict ensued and reached the town hall, where the new neighbors tried a legal path to outlaw the bees altogether.
Let’s see the whole incident in full right below, and be sure to leave your thoughts in the comments!
This person asks if they were wrong to refuse to get rid of their bees since the new neighbor’s son is highly allergic to them
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Here’s the full story of the incident the beekeeper posted on the r/AITA subreddit
Image credits: buzzilovebeesbuzz
For ordinary bee stings, home treatment is almost always enough to treat the affected area. However, for some who are severely allergic to bee stings, or if a person has had multiple stings, immediate medical treatment should be given.
In most cases, if you’re allergic to bee stings, your doctor is likely to prescribe an emergency epinephrine auto injector (EpiPen, Auvi-Q, others). You’ll need to have it with you at all times.
This autoinjector works by injecting a single dose of medication with a concealed needle and a combined syringe. Those who have been prescribed an autoinjector have to make sure both they and their closest ones know how to use one if there’s an emergent situation.
Many people supported the author of the post and this is what they had to comment
Others said the beekeeper was wrong and that the kid’s health should be the most important
Im highly allergic to bees and have lived next to them, bees don't bother anyone if you don't bother them. Plus they fly so I could be stung anywhere in the world, is not like they're dogs!
I agree with you. Now, if the scenario was containing wasps instead of bees I would feel totally differently about it, as wasps seem to go out of their way to attack and are very aggressive in nature.
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It's interesting that the "YTA" crowd assumes her hobby hasn't killed anyone yet. Bees do their own thing, they could sting someone miles away and that person could also die. I mean, we cannot get rid of bees because people are allergic. By the sounds of it, she has an ample garden so the bees wouldn't be swarming the neighbors or anything. For me, the biggest issue is the fact that her bees are established and new people are asking for her to get rid of them, it feels a bit entitled.
And we NEED bees. And as you pointed out, this child could get stung anywhere. So, I'm with you, a bit entitled.
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If a person with a cat allergy moves next door to a person with cats, do they have to get rid of their cats? The neighbour should have researched the house before moving in and expecting others to change for them.
Totally agree, if they are so worried about their son they should have checked out their neighbours before they brought a house.
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I'm sorry for boy being so allergic to bees, but if you buy house in area with gardens and flowers, I doubt bee keeper next door is your biggest problem.... Isn't it better to learn how to react to a bee, wasp, hornet or anything what flies around so it doesn't sting you, instead of forcing someone to give up bee hives while knowing how important bees are these days? You have bigger chance get sting on playground with sweet drinks around kids and ice-cream than in fields with flowers...
Exactly. They could make their own garden boring and no bee will even come looking for nectar. Problem solved.
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How could anyone prove it was "her" bees that caused an episode? Bees travel for miles and you're no more at risk living next door to a hive than you are in any garden... If she'd trained them as attack bees to chase unruly neighbourhood kids then I could understand but bees are just... bees.
bees are everywhere with or without a beehive directly next door - there are wild bees around as well! There is no chance to avoid to be near a bee forever. Teach the kid and the neighbours how to behave around bees to be as save as possible. I have 2 neighbors with bee hives around and never was anyone stung by a bee, at least of my family. My brother is highly allergic to wesps. Even so, we never removed all of the wasp nests around our house (and in some years there were a lot of them). Only those that were built directly on the house / windows / doors were removed. The only times when he was stung was at work in a orchard.
Bees are everywhere and are essential. We can’t ban bees because some people are allergic to them.
I’m enraged right now. I personally own bees, and yes, the neighbours have sometimes complained about it, but never asked to have it removed. We like to compensate them by giving them a few jars of honey once in a while. And bees are so dang loveable, I can stand right next to the hive, and no stings. Just don’t aggravate like try to catch them or something.
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I'm allergic too, but all my childhood my grandparents kept bees.. I'm still alive and we didn't even have epi-pens then.. And you know why? Because bees don't ATACK people, they only sting if they are threatened... Being small and not very bright I got some stings and learn not to bother them... I understand that parents worry about their son, but you can't just ask people alter their lives so you have peace of mind...
I haven't been stung since the age of 10 when I ran around barefooted all summer long, sun up till sun down. That was 35 years ago.
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If you have an allergic kid I'd assume you researched better for moving in. It's your kid, you are responsible.
This isn't just a hobby - he makes an income too, so he would be sacrificing his income, and his investment. The new neigbours could move. They could strip their yard of all flowering plants, so they don't attract bees. They could put up a mosquito tent over their yard to keep bees out. They can keep their kid inside unless supervised, until he's old enough to use his epi pen himself. They can make their kid wear shoes so he doesn't step on a bee and get stung. Yes, it sucks that their kid is allergic. That doesn't mean a beekeeper has to give up their hives because they moved in next door. Going to the council makes them assholes. If you have a deadly peanut allergy (and even the smell of peanuts can trigger anaphalaxis, yes it happens) and you move next to a peanut farm, or a peanut butter factory, or a long-standing home-based peanutbutter-fudge business, you don't get to put them out of business, and ban peanuts from the neighbourhood.
I think the parents of the allergic kid, and the kid as well, need to educate themselves on the behavior of common honey bees and relieve their own paranoia
Agreed! Only time I was ever stung was when I was 5-6 and was running barefoot in a park that had little flowers scattered throughout so of course I got stung! The other time was also as a little and I was trying to help a bee and coaxing it on my finger. Duh! Also, my pops had two hives on our property and I was the idiot kid who would quietly sit near them to watch them and guess what? Never got stung, because I was quite, not wearing bright colors and to young for perfume. God that was some of the best honey ever.
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I'm 45 and have never been stung by a bee. How does this kid keep getting stung? Maybe his parents should teach him what bees are and how to leave them alone? It's also quite stupid not to ask the realtor if there are any beekeepers around, when your son has such a problem with them. And "how well are you going to sleep when your bee kills a kid?"... perfectly fine really. I don't care. Their kid, their epi, their responsibility.
I was also wondering what the kid is doing to get stung so many times already! I grew up gardening, planting flowers and never wearing shoes. I've been stung 3 times. Each was a bad reaction at the sting site. Last was a couple years ago and took two months to go away. We have a neighbor with bees. They visit my flowers! I do have Benadryl and an epi pen handy just in case!
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There's a massive loophole here. If the parents have had their child in the hospital for bee stings before. For the safety of their child considering the severity of the circumstances. Shouldn't they have known what was in their neighbors yard before purchasing the home? Why not ask if he would remove them before buying the house? Just buy the kid a damn bee suit for Gods sake. In my personal opinion. This is on the parents for not properly surveying the area for possible causes to their own childs safety first. He's most certainly NTA. And more importantly saving the entire planet having bees whom are going extinct in his backyard to pollinate the forest to keep us alive. Good on you brother. Have them take care of their own mistake. Not your fault.
I was thinking the same thing… check ur neighborhood if u have an special condition in your family BEFORE movin into it. The poor kid is in risk every time he goes out to the yard, being beehives there or not. In fact, i believe theres even more chance that the kid gets stung by a bee thats doesnt belong to the ops beehives, cause those bees are under control. Anyway is a sad case for every part cause no one knew about the other until the last moment and there were no bad intentions or anything Parents should learn to anticipate the safetyness of the place where their kid will be, and bring a epipen in ur pocket everytime. Comunicate, stablish safety measures.
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Just like the people who move in next to an airport then complain about the noise...
Or someone who buys a house in the country and whines about cow pats and mud on the roads near farm entrances.
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Whether or not the neighbors knew about the bees beforehand, they moved in next to him. It's insane to move in next to somebody and then demand that they get rid of something that they have invested a lot of time and effort into. The neighbors should be looking for a new house.
First, if I were the parents, I would have asked tons of questions before moving into the house. Second, bees cannot be killed anymore, Many states have made it illegal to kill honey bees because of the shortage of hives. Bees could set up shop in a tree near their house, in the walls of their home or their attic. They would not be able to get rid of them without the proper handling by a professional. They moved into the home and should have checked out the neighbors before signing.
I wish people would educate themselves about bees bf they post incorrect damaging opinions-not facts.They don't go around stinging people for fun. Be mindful of your surroundings and live in peace.
People calling the beekeeper the "A" are insane. He/she was there first, plain and simple. I can't believe anyone thinks the onus for the child's safety should be on the neighbor who lived there first and has been keeping bees for years! He/she plainly said they depend on the money it brings. Besides the fact that bees are everywhere and are necessary for human survival!
Bama Belle. It's like the Muslim group that bought property next to a pig farm in Texas and then complained about how unclean they were. Tried to take the farmer to court to have the pigs removed. Court denied the case and said "You're the idiots that bought the land next to a pig farm that's been there for the past few decades." Farmer celebrated with a pig roast and invited the other neighbors. I find it amazing that new people move into a neighborhood and expect all the neighbors that have lived there for years are going to change everything about their lives because the newbies were too lazy to check things out before signing on the dotted line.
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I'm highly allergic to bees and had some move into my backyard. In the 2 years they were there no one got stung (not even my dogs) and no one was bothered by them. When I had to move and the landlord threatened to poison them I rang a beekeeper to come collect my buzzy babies.
The beekeeper is NTA... in any way. If anyone is, it's the parents for not doing due diligence in researching for a home. Did they mentioned their son's condition to their real estate agent? Did the agent know about the beekeeper's hives? In the end, it makes no difference as the kid won't be really safe anywhere outdoors in most of the world.
Bees don't just go around stinging people for no reason. Honey bees are generally pretty docile. Also, there are always going to be bees. Doesn't matter where the kid goes, there will always be bees. Just keep the epi pen on him. The dude could get rid of his bees and the very next day the kid could get stung by the millions of other bees. It is a fact of life. Bees are vital to human life. Raise the bees.
Bees will be bees no matter where their hive is located. if they're not Africanized, *chill out*. They're pretty mellow critters. If the child is what age? teach him to carry an duse his epi-pen in case of a sting. Problem solved. I get being protective, but they'd have to kill every bee on the earth to be 100% sure ----- or keep the kid in a bubble. I'd be way more worried about a sting from a random ground wasp than from a bee from a next-door hive, and my hubby is allergic. We just live life and keep the epipen with us.
I have a hive in my suburban backyard, and my neighbor's adult son is allergic, but he's cool about it. Of course, over the years, after being stung dozens of times, I've developed a pretty strong allergy - had to go to the hospital after one particularly bad attack. I'm thinking about selling the hive after the next harvest.
we do not have beehives next to us anywhere.. but how come we do have bees on our flowers? it's nature! they fly! and you cab't keep them away from flying on your flowers... if i were the neigbours i would put a huge mosquito-net in the yard for their child and teach him how to be careful.. you can't stop the whole world from having bees.. they are essencial to our life on this planet. you also teach your children how to be safe on a street... cars are also just as dangerous.. so why not teach them how to behave around bees?
The neighbor just needs to make their yard completely unattractive to bees. Even without kept bees next door, there are going to be bees outside. Beekeeping is banned in my town and I still got stung this summer.
Last time I got stung I was driving down the road with my window down! I have a ton of flowers at home!
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Question; Would the bees even have a reason to enter the neighbors yard if they had nothing for the bees to pollinate? Therefore, if they kept their own yard free from flowers or weeds, couldn't they be proactive on their own end to keep their child safe instead of insisting the existing neighbor to get get rid of his hobby/side business? Correct me if I"m wrong.
My yard is full of solitary bees - leaf-cutter bees, bumblebees, that sort of thing. Once in a while I even spot a honey bee, but I have no idea where the nearest apiary is. My point is, the only way their kid can be assured of never getting stung is to move into a high rise apartment far away from any sort of flower. You don't move to a suburb and expect to never see one.
And what do you do if a wild bee goes into your garden, you going to kick and scream in a tantrum for it to go away too, cos it wont listen to you. Bees won't sting you unless you bother them too much. If a bee stings you, it is likely to die (unlike wasps who are just assholes) so if they control their kid and keep it away from the bees, there'll be no problem.
I see the new neighbors have never offered to buy this person out. That's probably the reasonable choice. The beekeeper has spent thousands and makes a good side income from a completely legal activity. I'm just spitballing, but capital costs plus 3-5 years of income seems an appropriate offer.
If someone in the family has a medical issue it should be up to you to do through research, including consulting the local council or other relevant authority, before buying or renting a property.
YTA crowd seems to conveniently forget that the people just moved in. They're not TA at first, but they are entitled as ****. I get being worried, but if it's that much of a problem you want your neighbors to conform to your child's safety needs, mayhaps you should have done your due diligence researching the house and asking if there were any bee keepers in the neighborhood (since bees don't stay in the yard, anywhere they could threaten your child's life equally; since bees are so docile away from their nest proximity has nothing to do with it other than frequency of possible interactions with them). They became TA when trying to make laws specifically for their own family, disregarding hobbies and possible livelihoods of others.
Since I can't comment on the original post, here we go: Most of the YTA comments ignore the fact the neighbors are new. As in, they moved there. They couldn't have anticipated OP having bees? Did they not look at the house and neighborhood prior? Uncommon though it is, if your child is allergic, due diligence is needed. Who knows if there's a nearby wild hive. It sucks to have to worry about your kids safety, but the OP was there first, and there would always be bees in the yard (now there's just a higher concentration). Our dog literally bites at our neighbor's bees, and has yet to be stung (not that we're not worried it will happen and that he's allergic, but they're extremely docile away from their hive). Don't get me wrong, I would feel terrible if a kid died because of my (hypothetical) bees, but, the reality is the bees were there first, they were not acquired after the family moved in, and even though they're a hobby hive they're still a part of nature, which is everywhere.
" If you leave it alone , it'll leave you alone " . Learn it , neighbors . Bees are endangered and we should be SAVING them . Not killing them . Besides , The bees aren't bothering anyone besides making delicious honey and providing some money . I don't see a issue . NTA . Also the neighbors are Karens . Mind your own beeswax , neighbors .
Parents of the Year choose to move next to the one thing they know their child is allergic to. Beekeeper acts like it’s “just” a hobby, but it’s also part of his/her livelihood. I’d tell the parents to f**k off instead of trying to change the neighborhood they just moved into, then I’d call child protection
If my kid was highly allergic like that, I'd be doing some research ffs. It's not like you accidentally buy an entire house. When you tour, talk to the neighbors. Oh lady next door has bees? Better keep looking. NTA.
NTA by a long shot. If they are that scared of bees then they shouldn't ever let their child outside...Bees are literally everywhere.
They can move! It is not on this guy to change what he does and lose out on thousands of dollars because they made a poor decision. They would probably lose thousands also, but they are the ones with the problem. People are acting like since the neighbors bought the house that they have to stay there forever and he has to change. That's BS.
Bees really let you alone if you don't come close to their hives. The only thing that might happen is them getting trapped inside your hair, then they might sting. But again - you can't just ruin every bit of nature for the comfort and safety of people. Next some people want to kill every plant because they are allergic to pollen. No thanks!
G-d forbid the kid gets stung. HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW WHERE THE BEE CAME FROM? 🤦🏽♀️
Exactly! Bees don't wear name-tags. You posted exactly how I feel. My now grown son severely allergic to bees since childhood. Stung by honeybees when he was small, outside playing with his friends. No idea where the bees came from. Got my son to a hospital, at in the months that followed, he learned to inject himself with epi-pen, from age six to date.
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I don't blame the OP for keeping his bees. I'd do the same thing. The bees were there first.
As someone with a bee allergy I feel like my neighbors haven’t right to keep bees on their property. My allergy is my problem not theirs. If the parents are that upset about it they should look into moving. Their child is their problem and their responsibility, it shouldn’t be the neighbors job to make sure his property is safe for someone else’s kid
Beekeeper is definitely NOT the AH. Honey bees are fairly benign unless you kick their hive or something. Plus, his are not the only bees out there. I suggest the kid's parents turn their yard into a desert. No flowering plants, including grasses, unless they can keep a lawn mowed, so it never goes to seed. Then bees will have no reason to go to their yard. Surely, they didn't have a garden before they moved there? Why would they have anything in their yard that would attract bees? It sucks that the kid has this allergy, but the rest of the world needs bees critically. I don't see anyone giving up peanut butter because some people are allergic to that. The world cannot cater to this one kid. It never will, and there are a lot of people out there with similar allergies. It is up to the parents and the kid to manage is allergy, not everyone else.
I am allergic to fish and my father's family loves to have fish fries every now and then. One time over Easter, they were having one at my dad's sister's house. They were frying it outside so I stayed in the house all day. I would never have gotten angry and demanded that they stop the fish fry. I understand that the new neighbor asked nicely, and the OP said NO nicely. These neighbors had no right to start a fuss over this. When you or your family member has an allergy, it is your responsibility to make sure that you do everything to keep yourselves safe.
This is kind of a hard one. It seems like they have their bees contained and secure and are open to suggestions. As long as the kid stays in his own yard he should be okay. My dad is highly allergic to bee stings too and I always urge him to have his epi pen up to date and with him. You can get stung anywhere anytime. Chances are he won't get stung by the honey bees next door. I do understand the fear though. The parents should be watching him anyway.
Bees don’t bother people without good reason. The world doesn’t have enough bees now and more hives die weekly. Kids, on the other hand are everywhere, and are generally useless until they reach a certain age—which varies based on the individual.
They move into the neighborhood, next door to a collection of hives and then ask/tell you to get rid of them? If they were so concerned over their child they would have made enquiries before buying. Just because they did not do the work beforehand is not your fault. Tell them to move. Bye the way, I have bad reactions to bees, I am not paranoid though.
Bees are bound to be around whether this person has them in his yard or not. It is the responsibility of the parents to keep their child safe. They should provide a mesh enclosed yard for their child to play in
The kid could get stung anywhere in the neighbourhood. Will his family blame this neighbour for it? I got stung on the foot lady month whilst walking my dogs in the park, the bee was in the grass. No beekeepers in sight..
If you're gonna flame me - bring it on. Bees are everywhere! I live in a tiny town of 1200 people and no one keeps bees here. Yet I have a hobby of photographing bugs on flowers, especially bees and I can literally step outside any time the sun shines and photograph a bee or two, often dozens. They want the flowers not us. If the boy were my child I'd be concerned, teach him to avoid bees and flower gardens (and orchards) and be double-sure he always has his epipen on him. He will be going to friend's homes, school, and field trips. 11895285_1...81d643.jpg 
I keep trying to get a video clip of the leaf-cutter bees slicing a circle of leaf and flying off with it, but they're onto me. They never go anywhere near their favourite shrub when I have my camera out.
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Another vote for NTA. I, too, am allergic to bee venom and have been since a child. I learned to carry an epi-pen from age 8 onwards. I lived on a farm where bees were kept and just learned to stay away from the hives. Bees are everywhere. The kid will be fine if they learn to live in the world without expecting they can exist in a bee-free bubble. Parents ATA, and not terribly bright at that.
Bees don't typically pollinate near home and so the chances of these particular bees hurting the neighbor kid are very slim.
If there was a "Honey for Sale" sign.... it might have been a clue. I do feel empathy toward the family but... bee stings can happen anywhere, hence the epinephrine injector. I would imagine that if there is nothing of interest to the bees in the neighboring yard... the child is likely at no more risk than in any outdoor setting. I also think labeling your beekeeping as a hobby.. does not take into consideration your time, money and planetary awareness!! Bees are under attack and that means our food chain is also! Bees are super important to our ecosystem and keeping should be encouraged! NTA.... more like bee hero!
Entitled thinking. Whatever they want they have a "right to".... doesn't work that way snowflake. If you're allergic to perfume you can't demand everyone stop wearing it. Although our local schools have banned peanut butter sandwiches because 1 kid in a million is allergic to peanuts {I don't know the exact percentage but you know what I mean} The world won't change for your needs. You must learn to live in the world.
I think all the hand wringing about the kid never being able to go out into his backyard are a bit much. Does he literally never leave the house? Bees are freaking everywhere. Even if there wasn't a hive next door, he could still get stung in his backyard.
To anybody saying YTA - give me a break. If son was that highly allergic, the parents should have checked before buying the property - OP said they were registered and all of the i's dotted, t's crossed, and whatnot. And he was there first. "Oh, sorry, people moved in next door without doing their homework - ya gotta give up your income and hobby." F**k that. They can move.
Y'all do know that there are wild bees too and that they are as likely to sting this kid. Removing the hives and their honey does not guarantee the safety of the kid. Reducing or eliminating the number of flowering plants in their yard might help as the bees will go elsewhere.
Solitary bees are *somewhat* less likely to sting because they have no hive to protect. But even honeybees are not aggressive when they're far away from their hive.
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Why? All replies to any AITA questions are just opinions anyway. "Debates" in such cases are just people arguing over the righteousness of their opinion.
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We have bee hives right next to a tram stop. The bees never bother anyone. If you are allergic, it's your or your caretaker's duty to be careful and carry proper medication (like epi pens). You can get stund everywhere and if you don't want to live inside with closed windows, you have to live with a certain risk. I am allergic, but all I am really afraid of are wasps - those f*ckers.
One of the comments: A child live is more important than your bees. Ok, well humans are not on the verge of extinction. Let's see how many children live when all the bees are gone. As mentioned before: If you don't bother the bees, the bees won't bother the child. Besides, he has an epipen right? And the bee-holder took all necessary safety precautions. Every bee sting is a risk, even if you are not yet allergic. The next one will become so.
I’m highly allergic to bees and yet I’m fascinated by them. They are amazing critters! I have almost 4 acres, surrounded by blackberries. I’m also a teacher and believe in anything educational. So, when a local 4H Bee Keeping group approached me about keeping hives on my property, I loved the idea of being able to support their efforts. We discussed my allergy and placement of the hives. We discussed ways to keep them undisturbed (even mowing nearby doesn’t phase them). Kids learn beekeeping skills. My garden gets pollenated. There’s a lot of blackberry honey produced… and I am gifted all that I want. 🥰 The bees don’t bother me. I have to be more aware of stepping in the clover, while wearing sandals, but that’s about it. I make sure to keep EPI pens on hand. And guess what? The last bee sting I incurred was while out hiking, 30+ miles from home… I’ve never been stung on my property. Go figure!
bees are like dogs. they mind their own business while you mind yours. i live near gardens, and have lots of flowers (roses and lavender) in my yard, and have tons of bees. no one in my family has ever been stung!
Hard to say. I would be afraid that bees might hurt neigbour's child. But bees are not aggressive, so if kid leave them alone, I don't think they would sting. Sure, accident can happen, but you can get stung even if no one in your neighbourhood is beeskeeper.
I feel torn here. I guess maybe because of my lack of knowledge with bee hives. We have tons and tons of Hornets that make nests every year in our yard and obviously they are very different than bees. They go through times of the year they get aggressive and times they couldn’t care less we are sharing their space. My question is, is it common for people to be able to have bee hives in the suburbs? I can see this being a hobby for people who live in an area with lots of land. I guess I can see both sides to this situation but would need more knowledge on bee habits.
Depends on where one lives. OP says they are all legal with keeping the bees so the bees are able to be in their suburb. Common? Not sure but they should be if they aren't. Bees don't attack people randomly, they only sting if they absolutely have to (like protecting a hive if it's being messed with) cause most bees die after stinging. They usually just kind of buzz around pollinating. I am not an expert on this statistic but I think the main cause of bee stings for non-bee keepers is stepping on them accidentally. Hornets actively hunt people/animals cause they are aggressive, territorial, jerks.
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NTA. The new neighbors should have done some due diligence on where they were moving if their son has such a dangerous condition. The bee keeper doesn't get to choose who moves in next to them, but the people moving in have the opportunity to see if it's safe first.
How is he TA when he was there first??? Im sorry but I'm sure the realator would've known and should've disclosed the information, or at the very least, the parents should've asked. "Hey we are really interested in this house, Strange question, but are there any bees prevalent in the area, like bee keepers and such?" If my child had a horrible allergy I would've asked. Just like my birds, I have double digits and some are very large and loud. I bought my house because not only did I like it but the floor plan was conducive to housing my feather babies. I also went to the neighbors that had their houses built around mine and told them, hey, we have birds, sometimes they can get loud, but they are trained and super rarely scream at night. All of them were fine with it, I also got extra insulation as to not disturb my neighbors as much as possible. So no NTA
I'd say the a-hole is the previous owner of the neighbour's house, if anyone. They surely knew about the bees, so they should've mentioned it. Even if one is not allergic they might not want to live next to hives, just like some people wouldn't want to live next to a horse stable, while others would be perfectly fine with it. Knowing about stuff like this gives the prospective buyers a choice and ensures that everyone is happy with the deal on the long run.
That is not something that would go on a disclosure. When you bought or sold a property, did you have long conversations with the new/previous owner? It was on them to safeguard their child. If they mentioned the allergy to their realtor, AND their realtor happened to know about the bees next door, then the realtor might possibly in some way be liable, but "my neighbor has bees" is not something that any property owner would think to disclose.
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How can they tell if the bees are from the beekeepers hive or "wild" bees? Little ID tags?
NTA 1 - honestly hives are not small, they should have noticed them. They approached the whole thing wrong, ranting online helps no one. 2- bees are an extremely important part of the eco system. 3 - I get being highly allergic but the parents can't stop everything in the world to protect their child, no matter how hard we try. Good parents will make sure the child has a epi pen and teach the child how to live in a dangerous world. No I'm not being callous, I'm extremely allergic as well, but I had to learn how to live in the world just like everyone else. 4 - bees are actually quite friendly if you leave them be
I would ask these neighbors if they would be prepared for the mass food shortage that would happen if pollinators like honey bees disappeared. Honey bees are responsible for pollinating 80% of flowering plants and 130 types of fruits and vegetables. Over 75% of food grown depend on pollinators like honey bees. English honey bees, the honey bee that dominates the US are very gentle bees and will not sting unless attacked or stepped on. So unless the boy steps on one of the bees or goes to the hive and tries to smash it, the honey bees won't bother him. It's yellow jacket wasps and hornets that are aggressive that he actually should be concerned about.
If this child is so terribly allergic that he will die, why did his parents not vet the neighbourhood? Also, are they going to outlaw all pollenating plants in the area as well?
Maybe they could give Native Stingless bees a try? They still make honey ,but won't kid children(or anyone else).
Surely the ones with the child are free to move home to a bee - free zone?
It’s up to the parents to ensure that their kid is safe in the world. What’s next, “let’s exterminate ALL bees so our precious darling is safe”? Do they worry this way about neighbors cars driving down their street? What about sports and children roughhousing? (Let’s not even ask about guns!). Teach the kid to not mess with the bees and the bees won’t mess with you.
We can't live without bees help. We are grossly overpopulated. New family should understand. Wasps sting too! Bees have wings, they can fly! Kid should be taught not to aggravate any insects. Not much point in moving quite frankly.
The bees were there first. If their son is highly allergic, they should have mentioned that to the realtor who was helping them find a house.
Sure, let's ban bees.... and peanut butter...and shellfish....and eggs.... nation wide. Lots of other things will have to go too...skate boards, bicycles, cars, and the list goes on....
No bees = No flowering plants = No food. Bees travel long distances daily to find flowers. There is no way to stop bees from going places. There is however, the effective option of teaching children how to not bother bees, and how to avoid messing around with things that will get them stung. Making the next door neighbour get rid of his hives will not remove all the bees in the neighbourhood.
There is no right or wrong - to stand on one's side means to be not very intelligent. We have to accept people's decisions. Everything else is very unwise.
What if the bees were two doors down, or over the back fence, or across the road? How far away must the bees be before they're allowed to stay? You can't do this - ask people to get rid of hives that have been there for years. This story souunds like it comes from America, where people try to enforce others to behave the "right" way, which in this case means "my child will have a problem if stung by a bee, so we expect you to agree to a bee-free zone". Sorry, the bees were there first. The beekeeper shouldn't have to move away to keep their bees. The child can learn that bees are not aggressive. Wear shoes, don't drink sweet drinks out doors, and be aware that bees might be there. They won't sting unless their lives are at risk.
I'm extremely allergic to bees but this really wouldn't bother me much. It's a little bit of an inconvenience. But bees will NOT do ANYTHING to you, unless you try to attack their hive. There is absolutely nothing to worry about, even if you right are next door.
Legally the beekeeper is grandfathered in. You can't tell me that the family who moved in next door did not notice the hives! And you can't tell me that me if the child is stung, the bee-perpetrator can be identified as a member of the neighborhood hive. The child will forever live with a bee allergy and will always have to carry an epipen.
I live within three miles of two different bee hive locations. I have planted my yard for bees. I have not been stung once.
My father was a bee keeper and I am allergic to bees. He taught me how not to antagonize the bees and how not to get stung. Before moving into the neighborhood, why did not the parents have the realtor heck those things? It is unreasonable to expect the source of income to be done away with especially since the bees won't sting unless bothered.
This is why new homeowners need to do their research of the neighborhood before you buy. It's that simple. Feel bad for the kid's allergy but is everyone supposed to bow down to this kid for the rest of his life because he's allergic to bee's? He might as well live in a bubble. Really? People need to quit being such pansy's about everything now. He's got an Epipen he's fine.
On Reddit, comments are typically sorted by number of upvotes. You can clearly see that a majority of readers agreed with and upvoted the NTA responses (18.3k upvotes on the top one this article chose; 1.1k is the *lowest*) while far fewer people upvoted the YTA responses (879 is the highest). But because the article chose roughly the same number of comments on each side, it gives a false illusion that the two sides were equal.
The average hive has around 20,000 bees. She has four. You guys are acting like it's the same thing as living next to a city park. She has 80,000 bees in a suburb. Instead of spending thousands on her yard she should have bought land away from a suburban neighborhood.
If you're moving, don't just check the house that you're planing on moving to, check out the houses around the place.
They have had their Bees long before Next Door Neighbor Moved in. Neighbor should have Investigated Better Since their Son has a Huge problem before Buying. Keep your Bees .If they are really worried let them Move.
The new neighbors should move out. If the kid's problem is that serious the parents should be willing to do whatever it takes to keep him safe. That is what it means to be a parent. Why should the beekeeper take the financial hit? He was just living there, working hard, minding his own business. This is like when city people move out to the country and then complain about the smell of manure. Next time the parents should do their due diligence and find a bee-free area. Maybe a high-rise in the city?
Wouldn't the new family have researched this before they moved? Surely it's a giant aspect of moving. Their kid would need to be away from gardens in general, parks, anywhere bees could be. The beekeeper was their first and bees don't bother people if they're not threatened anyway. If anything, he's doing a good thing since they are in decline. The new neighbors seem very idiotic for not choosing their home better.
I'm allergic to many artificial scents (artificial esters), depends on the ester or the exposure but when bad I can't breathe. I guess I'm SOL, no chance I'm going to get all the people I come in contact with to stop using deodorant or fabric softener. I carry an inhaler and try to avoid exposure as much as possible. Can you imagine the results if I demanded all my neighbors stopped using any synthetic scent?
Without bees none of us would ever eat. Maybe take a good look around before buying property.
Basic research of the area first. There would be no secret of the beekeeper, it would have been a widely known fact. If there is fault here it is with the real estate agent that sold them the house. That person would have known, because the former owners would have known. There is simply no way the buyers would have bought this house with no knowledge of the bees. The responsibility is entirely with them and the agent that sold them the house.
Considering how bee numbers are decreasing and human populatuon is rising I would argue that his hobby is more important than the life of some crotch goblin. Do they know how many children are killed by cars every year? But I bet they have at least one of those death machines on their driveway.
Maybe they should consider allergy shots for the kid. It takes several years and is time consuming, but if he's been stung multiple times, it is probably worth it. It is also likely that he was previously stung by a yellow jacket, hornet, or wasp, and less likely a bee. They need to relax and stop obsessing over the legal hives that were there before they moved in next door. The suburbs with gardens is not ideal if they are so concerned, maybe they need to put their house on the market and move to a more urban area. NTA.
So these neighbors have a kid who is allergic to bees, and live in a jurisdiction where beekeeping is a legal activity, and didn't do the due diligence when buying a property to find out if anyone nearby already had bee hives on their property? Not gonna lie, I kind of think the parents are the assholes here. If your kid is allergic to peanuts you don't move in next to a peanut processing plant. Same applies here.
Allergen immunotherapy is the solution. I know a family of professional beekeepers with hundreds of hives that all the kids were deathly allergic to beestings. They aren't anymore, thank's to allergen immunotherapy.
The people telling them to remove bees must not realize how expensive bees are. Also bees are usually calm unless you mess with them. Also the person who said the child would have to live in fear, the child would anyways because bees fly far, even if you live nowhere near a hive you are still going to see bees.
If your child is deathly allergic to bees, it's your responsibility to not live near flowers and grass. Try a city instead of the suburbs. I've gotten stung several times in unexpected places - in my mom's car on my finger tip, in a parking lot on my bicep, and standing in a courtyard on my inner thigh, under my dress and through thick tights. They could have been bees or wasps. My point is I wasn't messing around with them and I still got stung. If the beekeeper gets rid of the bees, this kid will inevitably get stung one way or another.
Even if he didn't have hives bees are everywhere and essential to our world. So they can't say kill all the bees because they have the potential to kill our child. That's like saying a gun can kill people. No people kill people.
This is a tough one . My first instinct is to say of course she's the a-hole ... but then she talks about the time and investment she's put into the hives . She's using it as part of her livelihood. I think the people with the allergic child should find another way to deal with the bees . She was there first and it's a source of income .
I'm a beekeeper bees especially those kept by hobbyist are gentle unless you are in their hive doing an inspection then they might be a little aggressive so a warning would be the thing to do when inspecting. Most honeybees do not sting when foraging unless provoked. They protect their hive but are not territorial about their foraging areas. I know this sounds a little like an AH but prove that the bee was from my hive. It is going to be hard many people are not aware how many wild colonies exist in trees and structures in town. Most aren't aware they exist until they swarm (split and make a new colony).
NTA. I am allergic to need but would Never tell someone to get rid of their hives. What means those neighbors are!
So this is a kind of thing the relater hadn't mentioned before the family got the home? This seems important to note and self-research on any close by farmed bees or bee-friended gardeners (people who plant bee supporting plants to help with wild population of bees). It seems to be a growing trend these days to get more bee friendly plants along side bee keeping. Bee smart to research beforehand ya know.
Additionally, this smacks of people moving next to an airport then complaining that the planes are too loud (although yes I'm certain most people would recognize an airport and these new neighbors might not have known of the hives)
The parents are TA. Why would you move your kid next door to bees? You didn't know, they weren't out in the winter. Well, I think if my kid was deathly allergic to bees I would make it a point to ask the neighbors before I bought a house next door to a bee keeper. You moved in on him. Not the other way around.
The real asshole here is the real estate agent who sold a house next to four active beehives to a family with a child who is deathly allergic to bee stings. A conscientious agent would’ve found out as much about the neighborhood as possible—-and buyers DO ask about the nature and makeup of the neighborhood—-to make sure they were showing buyers houses in places they’d be comfortable to live.
If the buyers didn't mention the allergy, the agent could not have known about it.
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I don’t see this as any different than if the poster had a dog and the neighbors kids was afraid or allergic and asked of the same thing. Obviously it’s not going to happen and they’re going to have to accept it. It seems to me the poster is trying to be fair, but some people are unreasonable and want their way no matter the circumstances. Hopefully it works out as neighbor spats can often become dangerous.
I'm allergic to cats. My neighbor has a cat. Can I shoot it? Or is it better to leave poison bait?
I am a musician. I had to soundproof my house so my rock band's bass did not disturb my neighbors. One has to be considerate of one's neighbors.. So maybe the laws about where it is legal to have bee hives should be rewritten. In my town, suburban people cannot even have a chicken coop with rooster that wakes everyone up at sunrise. On the other hand, if my child was that allergic to bees, I would have asked around any neighbors where I was considering buying a house to see if they knew of any bee hives in the neighborhood. Like other have said, no way to avoid bees in nature, but it might have been smart to be sure no commercial hives were nearby before buying the house.
Having the hives in their gated yard behind an additional locked fence with large warning signs all over the place is about as much as they can do.
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Bees stay in their hives, although calling them her "girls" puzzled me, aren't almost all worker bees male, or am I wrong with that? You can't move in to somewhere and then complain to your neighbour about something that was already there, the bees may have been quiet over the winter when they moved, but the hives aren't invisible!
I'm assuming the yard is massive. Still: How would he feel if the kid dies because of his bees? Where I live almost no beekeeper has their hives in their backyard, They drive them to specific places and park them there, for a while. I understand he needs the income, but I still couldn't live with the thoguht of causing a child's death.
How would he know the bees that killed the kid came from his backyard hive? Bees are everywhere. The kid could just as easily be stung by a hornet.
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The kid could just as easily be stung by a bee from three miles away... or a native solitary bee... or a hornet.
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I don't think someone with an allergy (especially) would even think about annoying a bee.
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I don't think that was his first step. From his edits it seems like he put them up after a fellow redditor made a suggestion that the neighbors might try to harm the bees so security cameras may be a good idea .
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Im highly allergic to bees and have lived next to them, bees don't bother anyone if you don't bother them. Plus they fly so I could be stung anywhere in the world, is not like they're dogs!
I agree with you. Now, if the scenario was containing wasps instead of bees I would feel totally differently about it, as wasps seem to go out of their way to attack and are very aggressive in nature.
Load More Replies... It's interesting that the "YTA" crowd assumes her hobby hasn't killed anyone yet. Bees do their own thing, they could sting someone miles away and that person could also die. I mean, we cannot get rid of bees because people are allergic. By the sounds of it, she has an ample garden so the bees wouldn't be swarming the neighbors or anything. For me, the biggest issue is the fact that her bees are established and new people are asking for her to get rid of them, it feels a bit entitled.
And we NEED bees. And as you pointed out, this child could get stung anywhere. So, I'm with you, a bit entitled.
Load More Replies... If a person with a cat allergy moves next door to a person with cats, do they have to get rid of their cats? The neighbour should have researched the house before moving in and expecting others to change for them.
Totally agree, if they are so worried about their son they should have checked out their neighbours before they brought a house.
Load More Replies... I'm sorry for boy being so allergic to bees, but if you buy house in area with gardens and flowers, I doubt bee keeper next door is your biggest problem.... Isn't it better to learn how to react to a bee, wasp, hornet or anything what flies around so it doesn't sting you, instead of forcing someone to give up bee hives while knowing how important bees are these days? You have bigger chance get sting on playground with sweet drinks around kids and ice-cream than in fields with flowers...
Exactly. They could make their own garden boring and no bee will even come looking for nectar. Problem solved.
Load More Replies... How could anyone prove it was "her" bees that caused an episode? Bees travel for miles and you're no more at risk living next door to a hive than you are in any garden... If she'd trained them as attack bees to chase unruly neighbourhood kids then I could understand but bees are just... bees.
bees are everywhere with or without a beehive directly next door - there are wild bees around as well! There is no chance to avoid to be near a bee forever. Teach the kid and the neighbours how to behave around bees to be as save as possible. I have 2 neighbors with bee hives around and never was anyone stung by a bee, at least of my family. My brother is highly allergic to wesps. Even so, we never removed all of the wasp nests around our house (and in some years there were a lot of them). Only those that were built directly on the house / windows / doors were removed. The only times when he was stung was at work in a orchard.
Bees are everywhere and are essential. We can’t ban bees because some people are allergic to them.
I’m enraged right now. I personally own bees, and yes, the neighbours have sometimes complained about it, but never asked to have it removed. We like to compensate them by giving them a few jars of honey once in a while. And bees are so dang loveable, I can stand right next to the hive, and no stings. Just don’t aggravate like try to catch them or something.
Load More Replies... I'm allergic too, but all my childhood my grandparents kept bees.. I'm still alive and we didn't even have epi-pens then.. And you know why? Because bees don't ATACK people, they only sting if they are threatened... Being small and not very bright I got some stings and learn not to bother them... I understand that parents worry about their son, but you can't just ask people alter their lives so you have peace of mind...
I haven't been stung since the age of 10 when I ran around barefooted all summer long, sun up till sun down. That was 35 years ago.
Load More Replies... If you have an allergic kid I'd assume you researched better for moving in. It's your kid, you are responsible.
This isn't just a hobby - he makes an income too, so he would be sacrificing his income, and his investment. The new neigbours could move. They could strip their yard of all flowering plants, so they don't attract bees. They could put up a mosquito tent over their yard to keep bees out. They can keep their kid inside unless supervised, until he's old enough to use his epi pen himself. They can make their kid wear shoes so he doesn't step on a bee and get stung. Yes, it sucks that their kid is allergic. That doesn't mean a beekeeper has to give up their hives because they moved in next door. Going to the council makes them assholes. If you have a deadly peanut allergy (and even the smell of peanuts can trigger anaphalaxis, yes it happens) and you move next to a peanut farm, or a peanut butter factory, or a long-standing home-based peanutbutter-fudge business, you don't get to put them out of business, and ban peanuts from the neighbourhood.
I think the parents of the allergic kid, and the kid as well, need to educate themselves on the behavior of common honey bees and relieve their own paranoia
Agreed! Only time I was ever stung was when I was 5-6 and was running barefoot in a park that had little flowers scattered throughout so of course I got stung! The other time was also as a little and I was trying to help a bee and coaxing it on my finger. Duh! Also, my pops had two hives on our property and I was the idiot kid who would quietly sit near them to watch them and guess what? Never got stung, because I was quite, not wearing bright colors and to young for perfume. God that was some of the best honey ever.
Load More Replies... I'm 45 and have never been stung by a bee. How does this kid keep getting stung? Maybe his parents should teach him what bees are and how to leave them alone? It's also quite stupid not to ask the realtor if there are any beekeepers around, when your son has such a problem with them. And "how well are you going to sleep when your bee kills a kid?"... perfectly fine really. I don't care. Their kid, their epi, their responsibility.
I was also wondering what the kid is doing to get stung so many times already! I grew up gardening, planting flowers and never wearing shoes. I've been stung 3 times. Each was a bad reaction at the sting site. Last was a couple years ago and took two months to go away. We have a neighbor with bees. They visit my flowers! I do have Benadryl and an epi pen handy just in case!
Load More Replies... There's a massive loophole here. If the parents have had their child in the hospital for bee stings before. For the safety of their child considering the severity of the circumstances. Shouldn't they have known what was in their neighbors yard before purchasing the home? Why not ask if he would remove them before buying the house? Just buy the kid a damn bee suit for Gods sake. In my personal opinion. This is on the parents for not properly surveying the area for possible causes to their own childs safety first. He's most certainly NTA. And more importantly saving the entire planet having bees whom are going extinct in his backyard to pollinate the forest to keep us alive. Good on you brother. Have them take care of their own mistake. Not your fault.
I was thinking the same thing… check ur neighborhood if u have an special condition in your family BEFORE movin into it. The poor kid is in risk every time he goes out to the yard, being beehives there or not. In fact, i believe theres even more chance that the kid gets stung by a bee thats doesnt belong to the ops beehives, cause those bees are under control. Anyway is a sad case for every part cause no one knew about the other until the last moment and there were no bad intentions or anything Parents should learn to anticipate the safetyness of the place where their kid will be, and bring a epipen in ur pocket everytime. Comunicate, stablish safety measures.
Load More Replies... Just like the people who move in next to an airport then complain about the noise...
Or someone who buys a house in the country and whines about cow pats and mud on the roads near farm entrances.
Load More Replies... Whether or not the neighbors knew about the bees beforehand, they moved in next to him. It's insane to move in next to somebody and then demand that they get rid of something that they have invested a lot of time and effort into. The neighbors should be looking for a new house.
First, if I were the parents, I would have asked tons of questions before moving into the house. Second, bees cannot be killed anymore, Many states have made it illegal to kill honey bees because of the shortage of hives. Bees could set up shop in a tree near their house, in the walls of their home or their attic. They would not be able to get rid of them without the proper handling by a professional. They moved into the home and should have checked out the neighbors before signing.
I wish people would educate themselves about bees bf they post incorrect damaging opinions-not facts.They don't go around stinging people for fun. Be mindful of your surroundings and live in peace.
People calling the beekeeper the "A" are insane. He/she was there first, plain and simple. I can't believe anyone thinks the onus for the child's safety should be on the neighbor who lived there first and has been keeping bees for years! He/she plainly said they depend on the money it brings. Besides the fact that bees are everywhere and are necessary for human survival!
Bama Belle. It's like the Muslim group that bought property next to a pig farm in Texas and then complained about how unclean they were. Tried to take the farmer to court to have the pigs removed. Court denied the case and said "You're the idiots that bought the land next to a pig farm that's been there for the past few decades." Farmer celebrated with a pig roast and invited the other neighbors. I find it amazing that new people move into a neighborhood and expect all the neighbors that have lived there for years are going to change everything about their lives because the newbies were too lazy to check things out before signing on the dotted line.
Load More Replies... I'm highly allergic to bees and had some move into my backyard. In the 2 years they were there no one got stung (not even my dogs) and no one was bothered by them. When I had to move and the landlord threatened to poison them I rang a beekeeper to come collect my buzzy babies.
The beekeeper is NTA... in any way. If anyone is, it's the parents for not doing due diligence in researching for a home. Did they mentioned their son's condition to their real estate agent? Did the agent know about the beekeeper's hives? In the end, it makes no difference as the kid won't be really safe anywhere outdoors in most of the world.
Bees don't just go around stinging people for no reason. Honey bees are generally pretty docile. Also, there are always going to be bees. Doesn't matter where the kid goes, there will always be bees. Just keep the epi pen on him. The dude could get rid of his bees and the very next day the kid could get stung by the millions of other bees. It is a fact of life. Bees are vital to human life. Raise the bees.
Bees will be bees no matter where their hive is located. if they're not Africanized, *chill out*. They're pretty mellow critters. If the child is what age? teach him to carry an duse his epi-pen in case of a sting. Problem solved. I get being protective, but they'd have to kill every bee on the earth to be 100% sure ----- or keep the kid in a bubble. I'd be way more worried about a sting from a random ground wasp than from a bee from a next-door hive, and my hubby is allergic. We just live life and keep the epipen with us.
I have a hive in my suburban backyard, and my neighbor's adult son is allergic, but he's cool about it. Of course, over the years, after being stung dozens of times, I've developed a pretty strong allergy - had to go to the hospital after one particularly bad attack. I'm thinking about selling the hive after the next harvest.
we do not have beehives next to us anywhere.. but how come we do have bees on our flowers? it's nature! they fly! and you cab't keep them away from flying on your flowers... if i were the neigbours i would put a huge mosquito-net in the yard for their child and teach him how to be careful.. you can't stop the whole world from having bees.. they are essencial to our life on this planet. you also teach your children how to be safe on a street... cars are also just as dangerous.. so why not teach them how to behave around bees?
The neighbor just needs to make their yard completely unattractive to bees. Even without kept bees next door, there are going to be bees outside. Beekeeping is banned in my town and I still got stung this summer.
Last time I got stung I was driving down the road with my window down! I have a ton of flowers at home!
Load More Replies... Question; Would the bees even have a reason to enter the neighbors yard if they had nothing for the bees to pollinate? Therefore, if they kept their own yard free from flowers or weeds, couldn't they be proactive on their own end to keep their child safe instead of insisting the existing neighbor to get get rid of his hobby/side business? Correct me if I"m wrong.
My yard is full of solitary bees - leaf-cutter bees, bumblebees, that sort of thing. Once in a while I even spot a honey bee, but I have no idea where the nearest apiary is. My point is, the only way their kid can be assured of never getting stung is to move into a high rise apartment far away from any sort of flower. You don't move to a suburb and expect to never see one.
And what do you do if a wild bee goes into your garden, you going to kick and scream in a tantrum for it to go away too, cos it wont listen to you. Bees won't sting you unless you bother them too much. If a bee stings you, it is likely to die (unlike wasps who are just assholes) so if they control their kid and keep it away from the bees, there'll be no problem.
I see the new neighbors have never offered to buy this person out. That's probably the reasonable choice. The beekeeper has spent thousands and makes a good side income from a completely legal activity. I'm just spitballing, but capital costs plus 3-5 years of income seems an appropriate offer.
If someone in the family has a medical issue it should be up to you to do through research, including consulting the local council or other relevant authority, before buying or renting a property.
YTA crowd seems to conveniently forget that the people just moved in. They're not TA at first, but they are entitled as ****. I get being worried, but if it's that much of a problem you want your neighbors to conform to your child's safety needs, mayhaps you should have done your due diligence researching the house and asking if there were any bee keepers in the neighborhood (since bees don't stay in the yard, anywhere they could threaten your child's life equally; since bees are so docile away from their nest proximity has nothing to do with it other than frequency of possible interactions with them). They became TA when trying to make laws specifically for their own family, disregarding hobbies and possible livelihoods of others.
Since I can't comment on the original post, here we go: Most of the YTA comments ignore the fact the neighbors are new. As in, they moved there. They couldn't have anticipated OP having bees? Did they not look at the house and neighborhood prior? Uncommon though it is, if your child is allergic, due diligence is needed. Who knows if there's a nearby wild hive. It sucks to have to worry about your kids safety, but the OP was there first, and there would always be bees in the yard (now there's just a higher concentration). Our dog literally bites at our neighbor's bees, and has yet to be stung (not that we're not worried it will happen and that he's allergic, but they're extremely docile away from their hive). Don't get me wrong, I would feel terrible if a kid died because of my (hypothetical) bees, but, the reality is the bees were there first, they were not acquired after the family moved in, and even though they're a hobby hive they're still a part of nature, which is everywhere.
" If you leave it alone , it'll leave you alone " . Learn it , neighbors . Bees are endangered and we should be SAVING them . Not killing them . Besides , The bees aren't bothering anyone besides making delicious honey and providing some money . I don't see a issue . NTA . Also the neighbors are Karens . Mind your own beeswax , neighbors .
Parents of the Year choose to move next to the one thing they know their child is allergic to. Beekeeper acts like it’s “just” a hobby, but it’s also part of his/her livelihood. I’d tell the parents to f**k off instead of trying to change the neighborhood they just moved into, then I’d call child protection
If my kid was highly allergic like that, I'd be doing some research ffs. It's not like you accidentally buy an entire house. When you tour, talk to the neighbors. Oh lady next door has bees? Better keep looking. NTA.
NTA by a long shot. If they are that scared of bees then they shouldn't ever let their child outside...Bees are literally everywhere.
They can move! It is not on this guy to change what he does and lose out on thousands of dollars because they made a poor decision. They would probably lose thousands also, but they are the ones with the problem. People are acting like since the neighbors bought the house that they have to stay there forever and he has to change. That's BS.
Bees really let you alone if you don't come close to their hives. The only thing that might happen is them getting trapped inside your hair, then they might sting. But again - you can't just ruin every bit of nature for the comfort and safety of people. Next some people want to kill every plant because they are allergic to pollen. No thanks!
G-d forbid the kid gets stung. HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW WHERE THE BEE CAME FROM? 🤦🏽♀️
Exactly! Bees don't wear name-tags. You posted exactly how I feel. My now grown son severely allergic to bees since childhood. Stung by honeybees when he was small, outside playing with his friends. No idea where the bees came from. Got my son to a hospital, at in the months that followed, he learned to inject himself with epi-pen, from age six to date.
Load More Replies... I don't blame the OP for keeping his bees. I'd do the same thing. The bees were there first.
As someone with a bee allergy I feel like my neighbors haven’t right to keep bees on their property. My allergy is my problem not theirs. If the parents are that upset about it they should look into moving. Their child is their problem and their responsibility, it shouldn’t be the neighbors job to make sure his property is safe for someone else’s kid
Beekeeper is definitely NOT the AH. Honey bees are fairly benign unless you kick their hive or something. Plus, his are not the only bees out there. I suggest the kid's parents turn their yard into a desert. No flowering plants, including grasses, unless they can keep a lawn mowed, so it never goes to seed. Then bees will have no reason to go to their yard. Surely, they didn't have a garden before they moved there? Why would they have anything in their yard that would attract bees? It sucks that the kid has this allergy, but the rest of the world needs bees critically. I don't see anyone giving up peanut butter because some people are allergic to that. The world cannot cater to this one kid. It never will, and there are a lot of people out there with similar allergies. It is up to the parents and the kid to manage is allergy, not everyone else.
I am allergic to fish and my father's family loves to have fish fries every now and then. One time over Easter, they were having one at my dad's sister's house. They were frying it outside so I stayed in the house all day. I would never have gotten angry and demanded that they stop the fish fry. I understand that the new neighbor asked nicely, and the OP said NO nicely. These neighbors had no right to start a fuss over this. When you or your family member has an allergy, it is your responsibility to make sure that you do everything to keep yourselves safe.
This is kind of a hard one. It seems like they have their bees contained and secure and are open to suggestions. As long as the kid stays in his own yard he should be okay. My dad is highly allergic to bee stings too and I always urge him to have his epi pen up to date and with him. You can get stung anywhere anytime. Chances are he won't get stung by the honey bees next door. I do understand the fear though. The parents should be watching him anyway.
Bees don’t bother people without good reason. The world doesn’t have enough bees now and more hives die weekly. Kids, on the other hand are everywhere, and are generally useless until they reach a certain age—which varies based on the individual.
They move into the neighborhood, next door to a collection of hives and then ask/tell you to get rid of them? If they were so concerned over their child they would have made enquiries before buying. Just because they did not do the work beforehand is not your fault. Tell them to move. Bye the way, I have bad reactions to bees, I am not paranoid though.
Bees are bound to be around whether this person has them in his yard or not. It is the responsibility of the parents to keep their child safe. They should provide a mesh enclosed yard for their child to play in
The kid could get stung anywhere in the neighbourhood. Will his family blame this neighbour for it? I got stung on the foot lady month whilst walking my dogs in the park, the bee was in the grass. No beekeepers in sight..
If you're gonna flame me - bring it on. Bees are everywhere! I live in a tiny town of 1200 people and no one keeps bees here. Yet I have a hobby of photographing bugs on flowers, especially bees and I can literally step outside any time the sun shines and photograph a bee or two, often dozens. They want the flowers not us. If the boy were my child I'd be concerned, teach him to avoid bees and flower gardens (and orchards) and be double-sure he always has his epipen on him. He will be going to friend's homes, school, and field trips. 11895285_1...81d643.jpg
I keep trying to get a video clip of the leaf-cutter bees slicing a circle of leaf and flying off with it, but they're onto me. They never go anywhere near their favourite shrub when I have my camera out.
Load More Replies... Another vote for NTA. I, too, am allergic to bee venom and have been since a child. I learned to carry an epi-pen from age 8 onwards. I lived on a farm where bees were kept and just learned to stay away from the hives. Bees are everywhere. The kid will be fine if they learn to live in the world without expecting they can exist in a bee-free bubble. Parents ATA, and not terribly bright at that.
Bees don't typically pollinate near home and so the chances of these particular bees hurting the neighbor kid are very slim.
If there was a "Honey for Sale" sign.... it might have been a clue. I do feel empathy toward the family but... bee stings can happen anywhere, hence the epinephrine injector. I would imagine that if there is nothing of interest to the bees in the neighboring yard... the child is likely at no more risk than in any outdoor setting. I also think labeling your beekeeping as a hobby.. does not take into consideration your time, money and planetary awareness!! Bees are under attack and that means our food chain is also! Bees are super important to our ecosystem and keeping should be encouraged! NTA.... more like bee hero!
Entitled thinking. Whatever they want they have a "right to".... doesn't work that way snowflake. If you're allergic to perfume you can't demand everyone stop wearing it. Although our local schools have banned peanut butter sandwiches because 1 kid in a million is allergic to peanuts {I don't know the exact percentage but you know what I mean} The world won't change for your needs. You must learn to live in the world.
I think all the hand wringing about the kid never being able to go out into his backyard are a bit much. Does he literally never leave the house? Bees are freaking everywhere. Even if there wasn't a hive next door, he could still get stung in his backyard.
To anybody saying YTA - give me a break. If son was that highly allergic, the parents should have checked before buying the property - OP said they were registered and all of the i's dotted, t's crossed, and whatnot. And he was there first. "Oh, sorry, people moved in next door without doing their homework - ya gotta give up your income and hobby." F**k that. They can move.
Y'all do know that there are wild bees too and that they are as likely to sting this kid. Removing the hives and their honey does not guarantee the safety of the kid. Reducing or eliminating the number of flowering plants in their yard might help as the bees will go elsewhere.
Solitary bees are *somewhat* less likely to sting because they have no hive to protect. But even honeybees are not aggressive when they're far away from their hive.
Load More Replies... Why? All replies to any AITA questions are just opinions anyway. "Debates" in such cases are just people arguing over the righteousness of their opinion.
Load More Replies... We have bee hives right next to a tram stop. The bees never bother anyone. If you are allergic, it's your or your caretaker's duty to be careful and carry proper medication (like epi pens). You can get stund everywhere and if you don't want to live inside with closed windows, you have to live with a certain risk. I am allergic, but all I am really afraid of are wasps - those f*ckers.
One of the comments: A child live is more important than your bees. Ok, well humans are not on the verge of extinction. Let's see how many children live when all the bees are gone. As mentioned before: If you don't bother the bees, the bees won't bother the child. Besides, he has an epipen right? And the bee-holder took all necessary safety precautions. Every bee sting is a risk, even if you are not yet allergic. The next one will become so.
I’m highly allergic to bees and yet I’m fascinated by them. They are amazing critters! I have almost 4 acres, surrounded by blackberries. I’m also a teacher and believe in anything educational. So, when a local 4H Bee Keeping group approached me about keeping hives on my property, I loved the idea of being able to support their efforts. We discussed my allergy and placement of the hives. We discussed ways to keep them undisturbed (even mowing nearby doesn’t phase them). Kids learn beekeeping skills. My garden gets pollenated. There’s a lot of blackberry honey produced… and I am gifted all that I want. 🥰 The bees don’t bother me. I have to be more aware of stepping in the clover, while wearing sandals, but that’s about it. I make sure to keep EPI pens on hand. And guess what? The last bee sting I incurred was while out hiking, 30+ miles from home… I’ve never been stung on my property. Go figure!
bees are like dogs. they mind their own business while you mind yours. i live near gardens, and have lots of flowers (roses and lavender) in my yard, and have tons of bees. no one in my family has ever been stung!
Hard to say. I would be afraid that bees might hurt neigbour's child. But bees are not aggressive, so if kid leave them alone, I don't think they would sting. Sure, accident can happen, but you can get stung even if no one in your neighbourhood is beeskeeper.
I feel torn here. I guess maybe because of my lack of knowledge with bee hives. We have tons and tons of Hornets that make nests every year in our yard and obviously they are very different than bees. They go through times of the year they get aggressive and times they couldn’t care less we are sharing their space. My question is, is it common for people to be able to have bee hives in the suburbs? I can see this being a hobby for people who live in an area with lots of land. I guess I can see both sides to this situation but would need more knowledge on bee habits.
Depends on where one lives. OP says they are all legal with keeping the bees so the bees are able to be in their suburb. Common? Not sure but they should be if they aren't. Bees don't attack people randomly, they only sting if they absolutely have to (like protecting a hive if it's being messed with) cause most bees die after stinging. They usually just kind of buzz around pollinating. I am not an expert on this statistic but I think the main cause of bee stings for non-bee keepers is stepping on them accidentally. Hornets actively hunt people/animals cause they are aggressive, territorial, jerks.
Load More Replies... NTA. The new neighbors should have done some due diligence on where they were moving if their son has such a dangerous condition. The bee keeper doesn't get to choose who moves in next to them, but the people moving in have the opportunity to see if it's safe first.
How is he TA when he was there first??? Im sorry but I'm sure the realator would've known and should've disclosed the information, or at the very least, the parents should've asked. "Hey we are really interested in this house, Strange question, but are there any bees prevalent in the area, like bee keepers and such?" If my child had a horrible allergy I would've asked. Just like my birds, I have double digits and some are very large and loud. I bought my house because not only did I like it but the floor plan was conducive to housing my feather babies. I also went to the neighbors that had their houses built around mine and told them, hey, we have birds, sometimes they can get loud, but they are trained and super rarely scream at night. All of them were fine with it, I also got extra insulation as to not disturb my neighbors as much as possible. So no NTA
I'd say the a-hole is the previous owner of the neighbour's house, if anyone. They surely knew about the bees, so they should've mentioned it. Even if one is not allergic they might not want to live next to hives, just like some people wouldn't want to live next to a horse stable, while others would be perfectly fine with it. Knowing about stuff like this gives the prospective buyers a choice and ensures that everyone is happy with the deal on the long run.
That is not something that would go on a disclosure. When you bought or sold a property, did you have long conversations with the new/previous owner? It was on them to safeguard their child. If they mentioned the allergy to their realtor, AND their realtor happened to know about the bees next door, then the realtor might possibly in some way be liable, but "my neighbor has bees" is not something that any property owner would think to disclose.
Load More Replies... How can they tell if the bees are from the beekeepers hive or "wild" bees? Little ID tags?
NTA 1 - honestly hives are not small, they should have noticed them. They approached the whole thing wrong, ranting online helps no one. 2- bees are an extremely important part of the eco system. 3 - I get being highly allergic but the parents can't stop everything in the world to protect their child, no matter how hard we try. Good parents will make sure the child has a epi pen and teach the child how to live in a dangerous world. No I'm not being callous, I'm extremely allergic as well, but I had to learn how to live in the world just like everyone else. 4 - bees are actually quite friendly if you leave them be
I would ask these neighbors if they would be prepared for the mass food shortage that would happen if pollinators like honey bees disappeared. Honey bees are responsible for pollinating 80% of flowering plants and 130 types of fruits and vegetables. Over 75% of food grown depend on pollinators like honey bees. English honey bees, the honey bee that dominates the US are very gentle bees and will not sting unless attacked or stepped on. So unless the boy steps on one of the bees or goes to the hive and tries to smash it, the honey bees won't bother him. It's yellow jacket wasps and hornets that are aggressive that he actually should be concerned about.
If this child is so terribly allergic that he will die, why did his parents not vet the neighbourhood? Also, are they going to outlaw all pollenating plants in the area as well?
Maybe they could give Native Stingless bees a try? They still make honey ,but won't kid children(or anyone else).
Surely the ones with the child are free to move home to a bee - free zone?
It’s up to the parents to ensure that their kid is safe in the world. What’s next, “let’s exterminate ALL bees so our precious darling is safe”? Do they worry this way about neighbors cars driving down their street? What about sports and children roughhousing? (Let’s not even ask about guns!). Teach the kid to not mess with the bees and the bees won’t mess with you.
We can't live without bees help. We are grossly overpopulated. New family should understand. Wasps sting too! Bees have wings, they can fly! Kid should be taught not to aggravate any insects. Not much point in moving quite frankly.
The bees were there first. If their son is highly allergic, they should have mentioned that to the realtor who was helping them find a house.
Sure, let's ban bees.... and peanut butter...and shellfish....and eggs.... nation wide. Lots of other things will have to go too...skate boards, bicycles, cars, and the list goes on....
No bees = No flowering plants = No food. Bees travel long distances daily to find flowers. There is no way to stop bees from going places. There is however, the effective option of teaching children how to not bother bees, and how to avoid messing around with things that will get them stung. Making the next door neighbour get rid of his hives will not remove all the bees in the neighbourhood.
There is no right or wrong - to stand on one's side means to be not very intelligent. We have to accept people's decisions. Everything else is very unwise.
What if the bees were two doors down, or over the back fence, or across the road? How far away must the bees be before they're allowed to stay? You can't do this - ask people to get rid of hives that have been there for years. This story souunds like it comes from America, where people try to enforce others to behave the "right" way, which in this case means "my child will have a problem if stung by a bee, so we expect you to agree to a bee-free zone". Sorry, the bees were there first. The beekeeper shouldn't have to move away to keep their bees. The child can learn that bees are not aggressive. Wear shoes, don't drink sweet drinks out doors, and be aware that bees might be there. They won't sting unless their lives are at risk.
I'm extremely allergic to bees but this really wouldn't bother me much. It's a little bit of an inconvenience. But bees will NOT do ANYTHING to you, unless you try to attack their hive. There is absolutely nothing to worry about, even if you right are next door.
Legally the beekeeper is grandfathered in. You can't tell me that the family who moved in next door did not notice the hives! And you can't tell me that me if the child is stung, the bee-perpetrator can be identified as a member of the neighborhood hive. The child will forever live with a bee allergy and will always have to carry an epipen.
I live within three miles of two different bee hive locations. I have planted my yard for bees. I have not been stung once.
My father was a bee keeper and I am allergic to bees. He taught me how not to antagonize the bees and how not to get stung. Before moving into the neighborhood, why did not the parents have the realtor heck those things? It is unreasonable to expect the source of income to be done away with especially since the bees won't sting unless bothered.
This is why new homeowners need to do their research of the neighborhood before you buy. It's that simple. Feel bad for the kid's allergy but is everyone supposed to bow down to this kid for the rest of his life because he's allergic to bee's? He might as well live in a bubble. Really? People need to quit being such pansy's about everything now. He's got an Epipen he's fine.
On Reddit, comments are typically sorted by number of upvotes. You can clearly see that a majority of readers agreed with and upvoted the NTA responses (18.3k upvotes on the top one this article chose; 1.1k is the *lowest*) while far fewer people upvoted the YTA responses (879 is the highest). But because the article chose roughly the same number of comments on each side, it gives a false illusion that the two sides were equal.
The average hive has around 20,000 bees. She has four. You guys are acting like it's the same thing as living next to a city park. She has 80,000 bees in a suburb. Instead of spending thousands on her yard she should have bought land away from a suburban neighborhood.
If you're moving, don't just check the house that you're planing on moving to, check out the houses around the place.
They have had their Bees long before Next Door Neighbor Moved in. Neighbor should have Investigated Better Since their Son has a Huge problem before Buying. Keep your Bees .If they are really worried let them Move.
The new neighbors should move out. If the kid's problem is that serious the parents should be willing to do whatever it takes to keep him safe. That is what it means to be a parent. Why should the beekeeper take the financial hit? He was just living there, working hard, minding his own business. This is like when city people move out to the country and then complain about the smell of manure. Next time the parents should do their due diligence and find a bee-free area. Maybe a high-rise in the city?
Wouldn't the new family have researched this before they moved? Surely it's a giant aspect of moving. Their kid would need to be away from gardens in general, parks, anywhere bees could be. The beekeeper was their first and bees don't bother people if they're not threatened anyway. If anything, he's doing a good thing since they are in decline. The new neighbors seem very idiotic for not choosing their home better.
I'm allergic to many artificial scents (artificial esters), depends on the ester or the exposure but when bad I can't breathe. I guess I'm SOL, no chance I'm going to get all the people I come in contact with to stop using deodorant or fabric softener. I carry an inhaler and try to avoid exposure as much as possible. Can you imagine the results if I demanded all my neighbors stopped using any synthetic scent?
Without bees none of us would ever eat. Maybe take a good look around before buying property.
Basic research of the area first. There would be no secret of the beekeeper, it would have been a widely known fact. If there is fault here it is with the real estate agent that sold them the house. That person would have known, because the former owners would have known. There is simply no way the buyers would have bought this house with no knowledge of the bees. The responsibility is entirely with them and the agent that sold them the house.
Considering how bee numbers are decreasing and human populatuon is rising I would argue that his hobby is more important than the life of some crotch goblin. Do they know how many children are killed by cars every year? But I bet they have at least one of those death machines on their driveway.
Maybe they should consider allergy shots for the kid. It takes several years and is time consuming, but if he's been stung multiple times, it is probably worth it. It is also likely that he was previously stung by a yellow jacket, hornet, or wasp, and less likely a bee. They need to relax and stop obsessing over the legal hives that were there before they moved in next door. The suburbs with gardens is not ideal if they are so concerned, maybe they need to put their house on the market and move to a more urban area. NTA.
So these neighbors have a kid who is allergic to bees, and live in a jurisdiction where beekeeping is a legal activity, and didn't do the due diligence when buying a property to find out if anyone nearby already had bee hives on their property? Not gonna lie, I kind of think the parents are the assholes here. If your kid is allergic to peanuts you don't move in next to a peanut processing plant. Same applies here.
Allergen immunotherapy is the solution. I know a family of professional beekeepers with hundreds of hives that all the kids were deathly allergic to beestings. They aren't anymore, thank's to allergen immunotherapy.
The people telling them to remove bees must not realize how expensive bees are. Also bees are usually calm unless you mess with them. Also the person who said the child would have to live in fear, the child would anyways because bees fly far, even if you live nowhere near a hive you are still going to see bees.
If your child is deathly allergic to bees, it's your responsibility to not live near flowers and grass. Try a city instead of the suburbs. I've gotten stung several times in unexpected places - in my mom's car on my finger tip, in a parking lot on my bicep, and standing in a courtyard on my inner thigh, under my dress and through thick tights. They could have been bees or wasps. My point is I wasn't messing around with them and I still got stung. If the beekeeper gets rid of the bees, this kid will inevitably get stung one way or another.
Even if he didn't have hives bees are everywhere and essential to our world. So they can't say kill all the bees because they have the potential to kill our child. That's like saying a gun can kill people. No people kill people.
This is a tough one . My first instinct is to say of course she's the a-hole ... but then she talks about the time and investment she's put into the hives . She's using it as part of her livelihood. I think the people with the allergic child should find another way to deal with the bees . She was there first and it's a source of income .
I'm a beekeeper bees especially those kept by hobbyist are gentle unless you are in their hive doing an inspection then they might be a little aggressive so a warning would be the thing to do when inspecting. Most honeybees do not sting when foraging unless provoked. They protect their hive but are not territorial about their foraging areas. I know this sounds a little like an AH but prove that the bee was from my hive. It is going to be hard many people are not aware how many wild colonies exist in trees and structures in town. Most aren't aware they exist until they swarm (split and make a new colony).
NTA. I am allergic to need but would Never tell someone to get rid of their hives. What means those neighbors are!
So this is a kind of thing the relater hadn't mentioned before the family got the home? This seems important to note and self-research on any close by farmed bees or bee-friended gardeners (people who plant bee supporting plants to help with wild population of bees). It seems to be a growing trend these days to get more bee friendly plants along side bee keeping. Bee smart to research beforehand ya know.
Additionally, this smacks of people moving next to an airport then complaining that the planes are too loud (although yes I'm certain most people would recognize an airport and these new neighbors might not have known of the hives)
The parents are TA. Why would you move your kid next door to bees? You didn't know, they weren't out in the winter. Well, I think if my kid was deathly allergic to bees I would make it a point to ask the neighbors before I bought a house next door to a bee keeper. You moved in on him. Not the other way around.
The real asshole here is the real estate agent who sold a house next to four active beehives to a family with a child who is deathly allergic to bee stings. A conscientious agent would’ve found out as much about the neighborhood as possible—-and buyers DO ask about the nature and makeup of the neighborhood—-to make sure they were showing buyers houses in places they’d be comfortable to live.
If the buyers didn't mention the allergy, the agent could not have known about it.
Load More Replies... I don’t see this as any different than if the poster had a dog and the neighbors kids was afraid or allergic and asked of the same thing. Obviously it’s not going to happen and they’re going to have to accept it. It seems to me the poster is trying to be fair, but some people are unreasonable and want their way no matter the circumstances. Hopefully it works out as neighbor spats can often become dangerous.
I'm allergic to cats. My neighbor has a cat. Can I shoot it? Or is it better to leave poison bait?
I am a musician. I had to soundproof my house so my rock band's bass did not disturb my neighbors. One has to be considerate of one's neighbors.. So maybe the laws about where it is legal to have bee hives should be rewritten. In my town, suburban people cannot even have a chicken coop with rooster that wakes everyone up at sunrise. On the other hand, if my child was that allergic to bees, I would have asked around any neighbors where I was considering buying a house to see if they knew of any bee hives in the neighborhood. Like other have said, no way to avoid bees in nature, but it might have been smart to be sure no commercial hives were nearby before buying the house.
Having the hives in their gated yard behind an additional locked fence with large warning signs all over the place is about as much as they can do.
Load More Replies... Bees stay in their hives, although calling them her "girls" puzzled me, aren't almost all worker bees male, or am I wrong with that? You can't move in to somewhere and then complain to your neighbour about something that was already there, the bees may have been quiet over the winter when they moved, but the hives aren't invisible!
I'm assuming the yard is massive. Still: How would he feel if the kid dies because of his bees? Where I live almost no beekeeper has their hives in their backyard, They drive them to specific places and park them there, for a while. I understand he needs the income, but I still couldn't live with the thoguht of causing a child's death.
How would he know the bees that killed the kid came from his backyard hive? Bees are everywhere. The kid could just as easily be stung by a hornet.
Load More Replies... The kid could just as easily be stung by a bee from three miles away... or a native solitary bee... or a hornet.
Load More Replies... I don't think someone with an allergy (especially) would even think about annoying a bee.
Load More Replies... I don't think that was his first step. From his edits it seems like he put them up after a fellow redditor made a suggestion that the neighbors might try to harm the bees so security cameras may be a good idea .
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