Manager Says She Doesn’t Employ People Who Don’t Send A Thank You Email, Gets Roasted Badly
Getting a job is already as hard as it is, but in addition to constantly worrying about your financial state and what will happen if you don’t get the job you also have to suffer through those dreadful interviews. After all of this, there’s still the terrible period of time where you have no idea whether or not you impressed them and you just have to patiently wait to receive that wonderful call which basically states that from now on you’re going to spend the majority of your time working only to survive. All of this sounds absolutely terrible and along with being one of the worst experiences in an adult’s life, getting a job requires knowing unwritten social rules that give you an edge over the other applicants. If only we could be judged solely on our skills, what a dream.
Recently, an executive managing director wrote an article where she claimed she had only “one simple rule” when it comes to hiring people
In her article, she states:
“As a hiring manager, you should always expect a thank-you email, and you should never make an offer to someone who neglected to send one.” This post started a huge debate online about whether or not it is okay to judge someone based only on their social skills and knowledge of unwritten rules.
Even though a few people agreed with the article
The majority were absolutely furious about this rule
Many claimed that this was not only unfair for those who lack social skills but was also disrespectful to the candidate who dedicated their entire day for the interview. People believed that this type of thinking also belittles the candidate and their knowledge and the possible value they might bring to the company, all of this just because they didn’t send a thank you email.
Others were really interesting to know if the author herself sends a thank you email to every candidate
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When you are hiring you can have any rules you damn well please. That said, if one candidate stood out amongst the rest but you didn't hire them because they didn't send a redundant email (I'm sure during the interview they thanked you) then you're a f*****g idiot who should not be hiring people. Forget your ego (or race, gender etc), hire the most competent person, period.
You can make any rules you want but that doesn't make them legal.
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Okay, I have to ask: Is sending such emails common courtesy in the USA and/or other countries? I‘m German and I‘ve never heard of anyone here sending thank you emails for job interviews. To an outsider, this seems quite weird. „Thank you for allowing me to ask you if you would hire me.“ I can understand sending thank you emails if they hired you, or if they re-scheduled your job interview for you (happened to me once when my train was delayed by over two hours) or similar. But just for allowing you to speak to them?
As a Brit I have literally never heard of this practice either! Must be a US thing?
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I already thank them at the end of the interview, I would feel uncomfortable sending them an email thanking them AGAIN. I would feel like I'm bothering them, that I'm taking up their precious time by having them read an email with redundant information (because it's the exact same message). And it feels needy, like you're begging them to please please please hire you, instead of just waiting patiently. So I would assume they would find it annoying to get those emails. Now I'm wondering whether it is common in my country as well, or different in each country.
Exactly. It lacks integrity. That person doesn’t want employees, she want brown-nosing a*s-kissers.
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So the university I work for has a policy that you must post a position so that it is open to all to apply and be potentially interviewed. It sounds like a good idea. However, almost always we already know who we are going to hire. So all these people fill out the application which takes hours of work, they come in for an interview and that gets their hopes up, then we hire the person we knew we were going to hire from the start. I feel terrible as a lot of the interviews include a full panel, as in our entire office is just grilling you. No need to thank us for that. Tip for people applying for jobs, during the interview when they ask if you have any questions, ask if they have an inside candidate they are considering. Sometimes they will tell the truth and it just helps to let you know where your expectations should be. Also, ask for feedback, what they are looking for, if they have concerns you could address about your ability to meet those expectations. Ask for feedback right then.
What about the recruiters that take your CV and you never hear another word from them... Not a "sorry you were not selected because..", Sorry they have filled the position", "sorry they have put the position on hold". Absolute silence, and that goes for EVERY company on linkedIn as well.
I've applied to companies, had an interview, even a second interview and then sat for a week waiting for nothing because they didn't have the courtesy to send out an email stating they filled the position or decided to hire within. But I'm supposed to thank them for even considering me? They're looking for an employee, I'm qualified, I interview. Seems weird to say thanks for the chance.
Send her a thank you email... for what exactly? Doing her job? That she gets paid to do? I wonder how many people send surgeons thank you emails or small presents...
more people than you think. For the surgery he performed on our daughters feet we have thanked him, given him a gift card, and invited him to come watch her play lacrosse so he can see the joy he has returned to her life. It's called courtesy and respect.
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So - THIS is how all those wholly incompetent Managers/Team Leaders got hired! "Mr/Ms X has 3 degrees, 10 years experience and excellent feedback for this position, yet Mr/Ms. Bumkisser Jones with no experience, terrible feedback and a horrible track record for constantly messing things up got promoted to Director of Operations? Oooh... how'd THAT happen?"
Most of the times, the hiring personal of a big company, has less skills than the people that got interviewed, so they try to use the leverage they got to feel good with themselves. "Draw a house and an animal, please" "I´m an engineer, do I have to?" "I said PLEASE!"
Dear Employers, as prospective employees, we'd really appreciate a response to NOT getting a job, rather than waiting....and waiting....and waiting........
Agreed. Especially if they waste my time with multiple interviews or a lengthy application process and then decide to hire someone's less qualified relative.
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A thank you email for an interview? 95% of the companies I've applied to don't even acknowledge they got the application
Thank you for what? For having the honour of talking to her? Who does she think she is? The Queen of England? It's symbiosis: a worker needs a job, and a company needs good workers. And not only "talent" workers, but also responsible workers for the basic tasks. Or is this entitled, classist b***h going to sweep the floors and clean the toilets? Without her employees, in two weeks she would be covered in rubbish. Everybody is important, even the humblest workers.
I send thank you notes only for jobs that I really am interested in getting. If at the end of an interview I don't think it's a good fit, I won't. But if I send a thank you and you don't choose me for the job, you better damn well at least send me something back saying so. I also was scheduled for an interview with someone who was 100% not interested in having me be there, even though I knew I was qualified for the job. He tried to tell me that I wasn't, and wanted to end the interview then and there. I knew I didn't want to work for this jerk, but I flat out told him I took the time to write the cover letter and drive there, the least he could do was give me 2 minutes of his time. He did NOT get a thank you card.
I never thanked someone for interviewing me for a job. Why should I? They are searching people, I'm offering my services and we discuss our compatibility. That's the whole deal. They can decide to hire me, I can decide that I'd rather not have that job.
I hire people. Personally I think that getting a thank you email after the fact is never really sincere. They're doing it to make sure you remember them. That's all well and good, but the last think I need when I'm scouring 100s of emails for employment is another 100 of "Thanks". Impress me during the interview, not after.
And if we don’t get the job should we send a follow-up email that says thank you for wasting my time?
What a total sack of s**t. This is the most entitled trash I have heard all week. The entitlement of people is astonishing. I guarantee she underpays her employees.
I'm a 45 years old (employed) person who has been interviewed for jobs and this is the first I've heard of this expectation. It seems cultural (nevermind very condescending), and thus it would be biased against people from cultures that does not have the same expectation.
I ACTUALLY TOTALLY AGREED WITH THE HIRING MANAGER WHO WROTE THE ARTICLE, INITIALLY THAT IS, AND WAS GOING TO POST A COMMENT THAT WAS FAVORABLE TO THE HIRING MANAGER AND THE ARTICLE THAT SHE WROTE ABOUT NOT HIRING ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEND A THANK YOU NOTE. BUT A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON MY WAY TO POST SAID COMMENT, AS I SCROLLED THROUGH THE OTHER COMMENTS, WHICH I NATURALLY READ WITH AN OPEN MIND, AND THE COMMENTS OPPOSED TO THE HIRING MANAGER AND HER ARTICLE WERE SO WELL ARTICULATED, AND MADE SO MANY GOOD POINTS AS TO WHY THE HIRING MANAGER AND HER UNWRITTEN RULE IS WRONG I COULDNT HELP BUT CHANGE MY OWN OPINION ON THE MATTER. KUDOS TO THE INTERNET AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO OPENED MY EYES AND CHANGED MY MINE ABOUT HOW I FELT ABOUT SOMETHING. NOTHING BETTER THAN DEBATING SOMETHING AND HAVING YOUR ORIGINAL THOUGHTS CHANHED BY PEOPLE WHO MAKE SENSE AND CAN CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHY YOUR ORIGINAL THOUGHTS ARE WRONG. I CAN INLY HOPE THE HIRING MANAGER HAD A CHANGE IF HEART BY THESE COMMENTS LIKE I DID
I'm not sure is you are being serious or sarcastic. Lol.
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I've been to a lot of interviews and I've sent a few "thank you" emails - 100% as an excuse to ask for feedback as I've heard not a peep back - that is extremely rude from a company. Actually they should at least thank ME for wasting travel money that I don't have (or refund it if not hired).
I've also hired people for over 10 years. I have never expected thank-you notes. I've received a few, and that's cool, but I would never disqualify a candidate for the lack of a thank you note. Seems rather petty to me.
I'm from Europe and I have never heard of sending "Thank you" e-mails.
How's that work then..... Do I get the job and then find out a few days later that you have rescinded the offer. Nope, I don't think you get away with that in the workplace, that's tribunal territory. You'd find yourself looking very small in front of professional people and HR will probably find someone who cares about their staff to replace you. I'm guessing she hasn't been doing it for 10 years, what rubbish.
Probably she expects a thank-you email the very next day. If she takes a couple of days to decide, that gives her time to see who thanks her and who doesn't.
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Sounds like a typical HR dictator. I once worked for a company that was 'controlled' by the HR department. 'The tail wagging the dog' was a common expression among the people actually doing the work. HR are there to provide a service and get the right people as directed by management. In my experience they often have a far too inflated opinion of themselves and a misplaced sense of importance.
Erm - sending a thank you email surely shows that you are keen to get the job. A thank you email isn't really to say thank you at all, it's to remind the hirer about yourself. The hirer may have seen 10 candidate that day, she may be making a decision between two or three of you - if you send that email you put yourself in her mind as someone really keen to work for that firm, and that furthers your cause. Hirers also know that most people are applying for several jobs at the same time - she might decide to hire you only for you to accept a job at a different firm which you prefer - so when she receives your email then she knows that you are serious about working for her and are less likely to go somewhere else. Rule of thumb - if it's a job you want in a company you want, it's a good idead to send an email (if you're in America where this seems to be a thing. Try it in Britain they probably won't hire you for being too pushy!).
Exactly! (Am in the US.) ,It's about name recognition. When you are job seeking, you are selling yourself. A thank you note is another point of contact to get your name and your message in front of the right people. I try not to just say "thanks for considering me," though. I reassure them that after the interview I am still interested in the job (or let them know in some cases that I am not). I like to ask a question about something that was mentioned in the interview, hopefully something they can easily answer. That way I maybe increase my odds of getting a response from the hirer so that I at least know I got the correct email address. Years ago, the standard was a paper note to every person you came in contact with at the company. Of course, years ago the company sent you a follow-up too!
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And what about the fact that if the company hires someone else, they should be emailing or communicating with you. I have spent many weeks waiting to hear back from a job opening and to be meet with nothing. I have even reached out and called to be meet with silence. It works both ways!
I'm pretty sure this is exactly how previous wholly incompetent managers/Team Leaders in some of my previous jobs were hired (and keep getting hired). "Oh Mr./Ms. X has 3 degrees directly related to this job, Yet Little Mr/Ms Bumkisser Jones with a cute laugh just got hired as the Director of Operations? How did THAT happen I wonder?"
D. Pitbull, you are probably right. I'm pretty sure I know how Mr/Ms Bumkisser Jones gets prompted too. The boss is like, "I like them, they must be motivated because they reply to all my emails immediately and they always agree with me". They are the only ones who CAN reply quickly because they aren't doing anything else. They agree with everything you say because they aren't actually doing any work. That's how lazy people get promoted.
Load More Replies... Maybe she should send out thank you for interviewing with us emails. It’s her job to be there and do that. An applicant has to do a lot to prepare, find time off work, etc. to be there.
"You should be thanking me for the privilege of even considering you for this job".
A lot of the times these days the position ma y have already been filled and the organisation is just going through the motions with advertising and interviews and never intend to hire anyone, why would someone send a thank you email to someone literally wasting their time?
Here in Finland most companies do not reply anything if you apply for a job. And if they invite you to a job interview then you probably hear nothing about them after that.
@Bored Fox It happens like that in America too. Sometimes companies will wait weeks before calling you for an interview and they will get upset if you found a different job in the meantime.
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So what you're saying is, if they don't have any qualifications, but send an email thanking you for doing your job, they are hired? Honestly, I'd rather have the competent employee over the desperate kissass. Ten years of ego stroking morons must have been a thrilling accidental success, but the reality of your choices has to have come up more than a time or two.
If no one sends back thank you emails then (no one does in general) then u will get no bloody employees
Wait, a thank you note, right after the interview? I've never heard of that.. Cultural difference maybe? If the employer sends me an update on the hiring process, which I think is a very polite thing to do and makes me want to work there more, I always send a thank you e-mail, but not right after the interview. Feels kinda silly, tbh. Because I also thanked them for their time and interest in me AT THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW. The worst thing is when they invite you for an interview and after that never ever contact you again. Though at least then I know I most likely dodged a bullet on that company (or school, in my case).
When I was job-hunting, companies did NOT want you to waste their time with unnecessary extra communication like thank-you notes or calls, or follow-ups to 'see where it's at' - naggers were dropped. Mind you I heard of plenty arbitrary signal-rules including no single-sheets or no multiple sheets, no binders, no colored-paper or no white-paper, cover-sheet or no cover-sheet (as opposed to cover letter - which is always necessary but is often tossed without reading...
So what was the point of the interview if you didn't even listen to what the person was all about? Not a professional manager, I think. A professional manager is about people. In person. Eye to eye. Listening. Not social appearances, most of which are simply a fake learned behavior.
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I appreciate this article because it informs me to never apply for a job with this person. This is NOT the kind of person that would be good to work for.
Your company is hiring. It's your job to interview people and hire them. You get paid to do it. So do you expect your boss to thank you every day for doing your job? I always thank my interviewers before I leave the interview, but making it obligatory to send a thank you email? Ridiculous.
As someone that just hired a hopefully fantastic co-worker, I was quite impressed when he told me that he sent a thank you to an interview he took earlier in the day before he took a job with us. There are a lot of people that think they deserve a job and don't realize that you actually earn a job.
Firstly, it's worth noting that there is no singular way of guaranteeing you the best results in an interview. One interviewer will see a "thankyou note" as a sign of interest & politeness. Others, will see it as kiss-a**e and pathetic. And *that* is the thing with humans - we all have different expectations. That being said, from a *networking* point of view, a quick email can be of benefit: because you're letting the interviewer know, that after finding out more about the job, that YOU are still interested in them (as opposed to you trying to kiss a**e). Because during interviews, more is found out about the position - & not all applicants still want the job. A quick "thankyou for taking the time out of your busy day to speak to me. Having found out more about the position, I'm excited about this opportunity & look forward to hearing from you soon". From a *networking* point of view, this can be highly effective.
It's worth also noting, that in this context I'm discussing the follow-up email is NOT about saying "thankyou for letting me to apply for a job you need fulfilled. I really want the job". It's about considering yourself valuable enough to be choosing who YOU want to work with, and clarifying that after meeting them, yes, you do want the job (because we have all had interviews that have made us decide there is no way in hell we want to work for the interviewer!!)
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ok, can some posters please stop generalizing by saying this ia an "American thing"? not everyone here is like that, and i doubt many, from years of personal experience. i empathize for those who fall victim to aggravating pickiness
this kind of f****d up b******t embarrasses me as a US-born citizen...smh
I think sending a thank you email shows a good attention to detail and some basic manners - which can be a way to differentiate between two equally qualified candidates. To use it to rule out a candidate irrespective of their qualifications or personality is pretty damn stupid. Having said that, what is more concerning is the response of people "roasting" her with this view that businesses should be "lucky" to have them. Owning my own business and having hired a fair number of people I can vouche that there is an attitude amongst some people in their early 20s that they deserve to be paid way beyond their experience and are well within their rights to demand promotions and raises without proving anything. This sense of entitlement I put down to them not having yet experienced a recession and the whole cult of personality where everyone is great and deserves everything they want. It is a concerning outlook on life which really does need to change
I always, always, always send a thank you. Even when I don't want the job. They took the time to schedule you in and talk to you. They have a lot going on - not just that particular position. On the other hand, when they don't communicate with you at all and just leave you hanging - that's so rude. I didn't do that when I was hiring. I made my decision quickly and the only person I really disliked knew immediately.
It’s almost as if the person searching for employment might also have a lot going on and took time to schedule and talk. Hmm. HMMM.
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A fair and reasonable rule. I've worked in office for 14 years with co-workers ranging in age from early twenties to early sixties. It's astonishing how many of them are completely lacking in good manners and email etiquette. Every day I receive emails, requesting my assistance on important tasks, that don't say "please" or "thank you", use poor grammar, are missing necessary information, and overall sound like texts written by pre-teens. These are sent by college educated adults with previous office experience. I only have a high school education, and my own correspondence seems valedictorian by comparison. It's not snobbish or overbearing to hold people to this standard. It's smart management.
B***h should be thanking people not the other way around. What a stupid c**t. People who are unemployed going out of their way, wasting time and precious funds to go to see some c**t. Then get sent off without any feedback and a lot of the time not even you didn't get the job message just f*****g nothing. Most are likely already checking out another place after that one
As the mother of a recent college grad looking for gainful employment, it was interesting to see that booklet he got from his University. Inside were tips on resume' writing, cover letter writing, and a two page spread on Thank You notes. The whole shebang: why, how, when, etc. Apparently, manners are not dead. If you don't understand them, it doesn't mean they aren't expected. Ask. Learn.
Imagine being so entitled that you thought manners were a one way street like Kelly does. Gross.
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Stop whining about wanting your participation trophy. Nobody owes you a pat on the back for doing your job. Learn hard word principals like real Americans and stop begging to be thanked and acknowledged like a f*****g weakling. Only a butter soft weakling needs to be thanked for conducting an interview. Your generation is soft as s**t.
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RAAAAAGE!!!!!!! Welcome to McDonald's, may I take your order, please? Get f****d.
My son recently graduated from college. He received a booklet from his university with a lot of information; resume' writing, cover letter composition, and a full two page spread on Thank You notes. The whole shebang- how to, why to, when to... It's still very much expected and noted; whether you do or do not send one.
If YOU are the one who needs to be thanked then it is about your ego. Stop expecting people to perform the job before you’ve even hired them. None of them give a f**k about you or the job. Ever. In any way. They are trying to make money to fulfill their dreams or simply survive.
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You're not supposed to send a response because it comes across as being needy.
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Imagine being so self absorbed you think employees can’t please clients because YOU didn’t get a thank you note / written participation trophy. You must be from the entitled generation.
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What you are saying is completely different. If you are not going to appear to an appointment it's only normal you call to cancel. It doesn't matter if it's a very important appointment or just a meeting with friends. What she expects has nothing to do with creating a respectful working environment. She is just a petty, entitled b***h who uses her position to feel superior to other people.
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I've lived and worked in five different countries in three continents, and I've never heard if this stupid "rule". In a normal working environment you don't thank people for doing their job. If they did something "extra", like sending feedback after the interview, or giving reasons why they have chosen other candidates, it could be a good idea. But expecting the candidates to send you a thank-you email just for the interview is ridiculous.
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When I changed jobs and started doing the resume/interview process, I was told *not* to send a thank you note. So what you're saying has more to do with your viewpoint than anything. Plus, Millennials? Some of them are nearing FORTY!
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When you are hiring you can have any rules you damn well please. That said, if one candidate stood out amongst the rest but you didn't hire them because they didn't send a redundant email (I'm sure during the interview they thanked you) then you're a f*****g idiot who should not be hiring people. Forget your ego (or race, gender etc), hire the most competent person, period.
You can make any rules you want but that doesn't make them legal.
Load More Replies... Okay, I have to ask: Is sending such emails common courtesy in the USA and/or other countries? I‘m German and I‘ve never heard of anyone here sending thank you emails for job interviews. To an outsider, this seems quite weird. „Thank you for allowing me to ask you if you would hire me.“ I can understand sending thank you emails if they hired you, or if they re-scheduled your job interview for you (happened to me once when my train was delayed by over two hours) or similar. But just for allowing you to speak to them?
As a Brit I have literally never heard of this practice either! Must be a US thing?
Load More Replies... I already thank them at the end of the interview, I would feel uncomfortable sending them an email thanking them AGAIN. I would feel like I'm bothering them, that I'm taking up their precious time by having them read an email with redundant information (because it's the exact same message). And it feels needy, like you're begging them to please please please hire you, instead of just waiting patiently. So I would assume they would find it annoying to get those emails. Now I'm wondering whether it is common in my country as well, or different in each country.
Exactly. It lacks integrity. That person doesn’t want employees, she want brown-nosing a*s-kissers.
Load More Replies... So the university I work for has a policy that you must post a position so that it is open to all to apply and be potentially interviewed. It sounds like a good idea. However, almost always we already know who we are going to hire. So all these people fill out the application which takes hours of work, they come in for an interview and that gets their hopes up, then we hire the person we knew we were going to hire from the start. I feel terrible as a lot of the interviews include a full panel, as in our entire office is just grilling you. No need to thank us for that. Tip for people applying for jobs, during the interview when they ask if you have any questions, ask if they have an inside candidate they are considering. Sometimes they will tell the truth and it just helps to let you know where your expectations should be. Also, ask for feedback, what they are looking for, if they have concerns you could address about your ability to meet those expectations. Ask for feedback right then.
What about the recruiters that take your CV and you never hear another word from them... Not a "sorry you were not selected because..", Sorry they have filled the position", "sorry they have put the position on hold". Absolute silence, and that goes for EVERY company on linkedIn as well.
I've applied to companies, had an interview, even a second interview and then sat for a week waiting for nothing because they didn't have the courtesy to send out an email stating they filled the position or decided to hire within. But I'm supposed to thank them for even considering me? They're looking for an employee, I'm qualified, I interview. Seems weird to say thanks for the chance.
Send her a thank you email... for what exactly? Doing her job? That she gets paid to do? I wonder how many people send surgeons thank you emails or small presents...
more people than you think. For the surgery he performed on our daughters feet we have thanked him, given him a gift card, and invited him to come watch her play lacrosse so he can see the joy he has returned to her life. It's called courtesy and respect.
Load More Replies... So - THIS is how all those wholly incompetent Managers/Team Leaders got hired! "Mr/Ms X has 3 degrees, 10 years experience and excellent feedback for this position, yet Mr/Ms. Bumkisser Jones with no experience, terrible feedback and a horrible track record for constantly messing things up got promoted to Director of Operations? Oooh... how'd THAT happen?"
Most of the times, the hiring personal of a big company, has less skills than the people that got interviewed, so they try to use the leverage they got to feel good with themselves. "Draw a house and an animal, please" "I´m an engineer, do I have to?" "I said PLEASE!"
Dear Employers, as prospective employees, we'd really appreciate a response to NOT getting a job, rather than waiting....and waiting....and waiting........
Agreed. Especially if they waste my time with multiple interviews or a lengthy application process and then decide to hire someone's less qualified relative.
Load More Replies... A thank you email for an interview? 95% of the companies I've applied to don't even acknowledge they got the application
Thank you for what? For having the honour of talking to her? Who does she think she is? The Queen of England? It's symbiosis: a worker needs a job, and a company needs good workers. And not only "talent" workers, but also responsible workers for the basic tasks. Or is this entitled, classist b***h going to sweep the floors and clean the toilets? Without her employees, in two weeks she would be covered in rubbish. Everybody is important, even the humblest workers.
I send thank you notes only for jobs that I really am interested in getting. If at the end of an interview I don't think it's a good fit, I won't. But if I send a thank you and you don't choose me for the job, you better damn well at least send me something back saying so. I also was scheduled for an interview with someone who was 100% not interested in having me be there, even though I knew I was qualified for the job. He tried to tell me that I wasn't, and wanted to end the interview then and there. I knew I didn't want to work for this jerk, but I flat out told him I took the time to write the cover letter and drive there, the least he could do was give me 2 minutes of his time. He did NOT get a thank you card.
I never thanked someone for interviewing me for a job. Why should I? They are searching people, I'm offering my services and we discuss our compatibility. That's the whole deal. They can decide to hire me, I can decide that I'd rather not have that job.
I hire people. Personally I think that getting a thank you email after the fact is never really sincere. They're doing it to make sure you remember them. That's all well and good, but the last think I need when I'm scouring 100s of emails for employment is another 100 of "Thanks". Impress me during the interview, not after.
And if we don’t get the job should we send a follow-up email that says thank you for wasting my time?
What a total sack of s**t. This is the most entitled trash I have heard all week. The entitlement of people is astonishing. I guarantee she underpays her employees.
I'm a 45 years old (employed) person who has been interviewed for jobs and this is the first I've heard of this expectation. It seems cultural (nevermind very condescending), and thus it would be biased against people from cultures that does not have the same expectation.
I ACTUALLY TOTALLY AGREED WITH THE HIRING MANAGER WHO WROTE THE ARTICLE, INITIALLY THAT IS, AND WAS GOING TO POST A COMMENT THAT WAS FAVORABLE TO THE HIRING MANAGER AND THE ARTICLE THAT SHE WROTE ABOUT NOT HIRING ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEND A THANK YOU NOTE. BUT A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON MY WAY TO POST SAID COMMENT, AS I SCROLLED THROUGH THE OTHER COMMENTS, WHICH I NATURALLY READ WITH AN OPEN MIND, AND THE COMMENTS OPPOSED TO THE HIRING MANAGER AND HER ARTICLE WERE SO WELL ARTICULATED, AND MADE SO MANY GOOD POINTS AS TO WHY THE HIRING MANAGER AND HER UNWRITTEN RULE IS WRONG I COULDNT HELP BUT CHANGE MY OWN OPINION ON THE MATTER. KUDOS TO THE INTERNET AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO OPENED MY EYES AND CHANGED MY MINE ABOUT HOW I FELT ABOUT SOMETHING. NOTHING BETTER THAN DEBATING SOMETHING AND HAVING YOUR ORIGINAL THOUGHTS CHANHED BY PEOPLE WHO MAKE SENSE AND CAN CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHY YOUR ORIGINAL THOUGHTS ARE WRONG. I CAN INLY HOPE THE HIRING MANAGER HAD A CHANGE IF HEART BY THESE COMMENTS LIKE I DID
I'm not sure is you are being serious or sarcastic. Lol.
Load More Replies... I've been to a lot of interviews and I've sent a few "thank you" emails - 100% as an excuse to ask for feedback as I've heard not a peep back - that is extremely rude from a company. Actually they should at least thank ME for wasting travel money that I don't have (or refund it if not hired).
I've also hired people for over 10 years. I have never expected thank-you notes. I've received a few, and that's cool, but I would never disqualify a candidate for the lack of a thank you note. Seems rather petty to me.
I'm from Europe and I have never heard of sending "Thank you" e-mails.
How's that work then..... Do I get the job and then find out a few days later that you have rescinded the offer. Nope, I don't think you get away with that in the workplace, that's tribunal territory. You'd find yourself looking very small in front of professional people and HR will probably find someone who cares about their staff to replace you. I'm guessing she hasn't been doing it for 10 years, what rubbish.
Probably she expects a thank-you email the very next day. If she takes a couple of days to decide, that gives her time to see who thanks her and who doesn't.
Load More Replies... Sounds like a typical HR dictator. I once worked for a company that was 'controlled' by the HR department. 'The tail wagging the dog' was a common expression among the people actually doing the work. HR are there to provide a service and get the right people as directed by management. In my experience they often have a far too inflated opinion of themselves and a misplaced sense of importance.
Erm - sending a thank you email surely shows that you are keen to get the job. A thank you email isn't really to say thank you at all, it's to remind the hirer about yourself. The hirer may have seen 10 candidate that day, she may be making a decision between two or three of you - if you send that email you put yourself in her mind as someone really keen to work for that firm, and that furthers your cause. Hirers also know that most people are applying for several jobs at the same time - she might decide to hire you only for you to accept a job at a different firm which you prefer - so when she receives your email then she knows that you are serious about working for her and are less likely to go somewhere else. Rule of thumb - if it's a job you want in a company you want, it's a good idead to send an email (if you're in America where this seems to be a thing. Try it in Britain they probably won't hire you for being too pushy!).
Exactly! (Am in the US.) ,It's about name recognition. When you are job seeking, you are selling yourself. A thank you note is another point of contact to get your name and your message in front of the right people. I try not to just say "thanks for considering me," though. I reassure them that after the interview I am still interested in the job (or let them know in some cases that I am not). I like to ask a question about something that was mentioned in the interview, hopefully something they can easily answer. That way I maybe increase my odds of getting a response from the hirer so that I at least know I got the correct email address. Years ago, the standard was a paper note to every person you came in contact with at the company. Of course, years ago the company sent you a follow-up too!
Load More Replies... And what about the fact that if the company hires someone else, they should be emailing or communicating with you. I have spent many weeks waiting to hear back from a job opening and to be meet with nothing. I have even reached out and called to be meet with silence. It works both ways!
I'm pretty sure this is exactly how previous wholly incompetent managers/Team Leaders in some of my previous jobs were hired (and keep getting hired). "Oh Mr./Ms. X has 3 degrees directly related to this job, Yet Little Mr/Ms Bumkisser Jones with a cute laugh just got hired as the Director of Operations? How did THAT happen I wonder?"
D. Pitbull, you are probably right. I'm pretty sure I know how Mr/Ms Bumkisser Jones gets prompted too. The boss is like, "I like them, they must be motivated because they reply to all my emails immediately and they always agree with me". They are the only ones who CAN reply quickly because they aren't doing anything else. They agree with everything you say because they aren't actually doing any work. That's how lazy people get promoted.
Load More Replies... Maybe she should send out thank you for interviewing with us emails. It’s her job to be there and do that. An applicant has to do a lot to prepare, find time off work, etc. to be there.
"You should be thanking me for the privilege of even considering you for this job".
A lot of the times these days the position ma y have already been filled and the organisation is just going through the motions with advertising and interviews and never intend to hire anyone, why would someone send a thank you email to someone literally wasting their time?
Here in Finland most companies do not reply anything if you apply for a job. And if they invite you to a job interview then you probably hear nothing about them after that.
@Bored Fox It happens like that in America too. Sometimes companies will wait weeks before calling you for an interview and they will get upset if you found a different job in the meantime.
Load More Replies... So what you're saying is, if they don't have any qualifications, but send an email thanking you for doing your job, they are hired? Honestly, I'd rather have the competent employee over the desperate kissass. Ten years of ego stroking morons must have been a thrilling accidental success, but the reality of your choices has to have come up more than a time or two.
If no one sends back thank you emails then (no one does in general) then u will get no bloody employees
Wait, a thank you note, right after the interview? I've never heard of that.. Cultural difference maybe? If the employer sends me an update on the hiring process, which I think is a very polite thing to do and makes me want to work there more, I always send a thank you e-mail, but not right after the interview. Feels kinda silly, tbh. Because I also thanked them for their time and interest in me AT THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW. The worst thing is when they invite you for an interview and after that never ever contact you again. Though at least then I know I most likely dodged a bullet on that company (or school, in my case).
When I was job-hunting, companies did NOT want you to waste their time with unnecessary extra communication like thank-you notes or calls, or follow-ups to 'see where it's at' - naggers were dropped. Mind you I heard of plenty arbitrary signal-rules including no single-sheets or no multiple sheets, no binders, no colored-paper or no white-paper, cover-sheet or no cover-sheet (as opposed to cover letter - which is always necessary but is often tossed without reading...
So what was the point of the interview if you didn't even listen to what the person was all about? Not a professional manager, I think. A professional manager is about people. In person. Eye to eye. Listening. Not social appearances, most of which are simply a fake learned behavior.
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I appreciate this article because it informs me to never apply for a job with this person. This is NOT the kind of person that would be good to work for.
Your company is hiring. It's your job to interview people and hire them. You get paid to do it. So do you expect your boss to thank you every day for doing your job? I always thank my interviewers before I leave the interview, but making it obligatory to send a thank you email? Ridiculous.
As someone that just hired a hopefully fantastic co-worker, I was quite impressed when he told me that he sent a thank you to an interview he took earlier in the day before he took a job with us. There are a lot of people that think they deserve a job and don't realize that you actually earn a job.
Firstly, it's worth noting that there is no singular way of guaranteeing you the best results in an interview. One interviewer will see a "thankyou note" as a sign of interest & politeness. Others, will see it as kiss-a**e and pathetic. And *that* is the thing with humans - we all have different expectations. That being said, from a *networking* point of view, a quick email can be of benefit: because you're letting the interviewer know, that after finding out more about the job, that YOU are still interested in them (as opposed to you trying to kiss a**e). Because during interviews, more is found out about the position - & not all applicants still want the job. A quick "thankyou for taking the time out of your busy day to speak to me. Having found out more about the position, I'm excited about this opportunity & look forward to hearing from you soon". From a *networking* point of view, this can be highly effective.
It's worth also noting, that in this context I'm discussing the follow-up email is NOT about saying "thankyou for letting me to apply for a job you need fulfilled. I really want the job". It's about considering yourself valuable enough to be choosing who YOU want to work with, and clarifying that after meeting them, yes, you do want the job (because we have all had interviews that have made us decide there is no way in hell we want to work for the interviewer!!)
Load More Replies... ok, can some posters please stop generalizing by saying this ia an "American thing"? not everyone here is like that, and i doubt many, from years of personal experience. i empathize for those who fall victim to aggravating pickiness
this kind of f****d up b******t embarrasses me as a US-born citizen...smh
I think sending a thank you email shows a good attention to detail and some basic manners - which can be a way to differentiate between two equally qualified candidates. To use it to rule out a candidate irrespective of their qualifications or personality is pretty damn stupid. Having said that, what is more concerning is the response of people "roasting" her with this view that businesses should be "lucky" to have them. Owning my own business and having hired a fair number of people I can vouche that there is an attitude amongst some people in their early 20s that they deserve to be paid way beyond their experience and are well within their rights to demand promotions and raises without proving anything. This sense of entitlement I put down to them not having yet experienced a recession and the whole cult of personality where everyone is great and deserves everything they want. It is a concerning outlook on life which really does need to change
I always, always, always send a thank you. Even when I don't want the job. They took the time to schedule you in and talk to you. They have a lot going on - not just that particular position. On the other hand, when they don't communicate with you at all and just leave you hanging - that's so rude. I didn't do that when I was hiring. I made my decision quickly and the only person I really disliked knew immediately.
It’s almost as if the person searching for employment might also have a lot going on and took time to schedule and talk. Hmm. HMMM.
Load More Replies... A fair and reasonable rule. I've worked in office for 14 years with co-workers ranging in age from early twenties to early sixties. It's astonishing how many of them are completely lacking in good manners and email etiquette. Every day I receive emails, requesting my assistance on important tasks, that don't say "please" or "thank you", use poor grammar, are missing necessary information, and overall sound like texts written by pre-teens. These are sent by college educated adults with previous office experience. I only have a high school education, and my own correspondence seems valedictorian by comparison. It's not snobbish or overbearing to hold people to this standard. It's smart management.
B***h should be thanking people not the other way around. What a stupid c**t. People who are unemployed going out of their way, wasting time and precious funds to go to see some c**t. Then get sent off without any feedback and a lot of the time not even you didn't get the job message just f*****g nothing. Most are likely already checking out another place after that one
As the mother of a recent college grad looking for gainful employment, it was interesting to see that booklet he got from his University. Inside were tips on resume' writing, cover letter writing, and a two page spread on Thank You notes. The whole shebang: why, how, when, etc. Apparently, manners are not dead. If you don't understand them, it doesn't mean they aren't expected. Ask. Learn.
Imagine being so entitled that you thought manners were a one way street like Kelly does. Gross.
Load More Replies... Stop whining about wanting your participation trophy. Nobody owes you a pat on the back for doing your job. Learn hard word principals like real Americans and stop begging to be thanked and acknowledged like a f*****g weakling. Only a butter soft weakling needs to be thanked for conducting an interview. Your generation is soft as s**t.
Load More Replies... RAAAAAGE!!!!!!! Welcome to McDonald's, may I take your order, please? Get f****d.
My son recently graduated from college. He received a booklet from his university with a lot of information; resume' writing, cover letter composition, and a full two page spread on Thank You notes. The whole shebang- how to, why to, when to... It's still very much expected and noted; whether you do or do not send one.
If YOU are the one who needs to be thanked then it is about your ego. Stop expecting people to perform the job before you’ve even hired them. None of them give a f**k about you or the job. Ever. In any way. They are trying to make money to fulfill their dreams or simply survive.
Load More Replies... You're not supposed to send a response because it comes across as being needy.
Load More Replies... Imagine being so self absorbed you think employees can’t please clients because YOU didn’t get a thank you note / written participation trophy. You must be from the entitled generation.
Load More Replies... What you are saying is completely different. If you are not going to appear to an appointment it's only normal you call to cancel. It doesn't matter if it's a very important appointment or just a meeting with friends. What she expects has nothing to do with creating a respectful working environment. She is just a petty, entitled b***h who uses her position to feel superior to other people.
Load More Replies... I've lived and worked in five different countries in three continents, and I've never heard if this stupid "rule". In a normal working environment you don't thank people for doing their job. If they did something "extra", like sending feedback after the interview, or giving reasons why they have chosen other candidates, it could be a good idea. But expecting the candidates to send you a thank-you email just for the interview is ridiculous.
Load More Replies... When I changed jobs and started doing the resume/interview process, I was told *not* to send a thank you note. So what you're saying has more to do with your viewpoint than anything. Plus, Millennials? Some of them are nearing FORTY!
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