Misogyny is all around us. But as writer Nina Renata Aron pointed out in The New York Times, the word, which conventionally means hatred of women and was once a radical accusation has become like a synonym to the gentler "sexism" and "chauvinism" in popular use, and with the term's popularity comes a better understanding of what it encompasses.
And one Reddit user found a way to illustrate it. On Friday, u/horridhollowhead made a post on the subreddit r/AskWomen saying, "What is some internalized misogyny you have to continuously remind yourself to unlearn?" And many ladies came through with their experiences and realizations. From the language they use to the way they look at themselves, here are some of the things that stood out in the comments.
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Sayin « son of a b**ch » to insult a guy. Like seriously if i want to hurt him why I’m insulting his mother
If i say « bastard » well it means that his mom cheated on his father
Crazy how so much slurs are related to women
Have to stop sayin that
A-hole is fine, it's inclusive and won't insult any group of people, because we all have one
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Bastard just means that the parents were unmarried. No-one needed to cheat on anyone. Although still not the child's fault.
We're all shocked by this realisation, but do we realise we're so self-righteously insulting "parents" whenever a child misbehaves? I think these types of insults originate from a time when we humans were more family/community oriented. A mentality which is still pretty much ingrained into our hearts and minds because of our very nature. This is not bad neither good in itself, just a thing to think about. (Btw, I don't use this insult myself, I prefer anything poop related)
WE ARENT, According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term bitch comes from the Old English word bicce or bicge, meaning "female dog", which dates to around 1000 CE. It may have derived from the earlier Old Norse word bikkja, also meaning "female dog".[6][7] "Dog" has long been used as an insult toward both women and men. In ancient Greece, dog was often used in a derogatory sense to refer to someone whose behavior was improper or transgressive.
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By calling someone, anyone, a "son of a b*tch" you are calling them a dog. No more or less. You are simply stating that they are less than human. This does not intended to insult their mother, merely to be a thought provoking way of saying "you animal"
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term bitch comes from the Old English word bicce or bicge, meaning "female dog", which dates to around 1000 CE. It may have derived from the earlier Old Norse word bikkja, also meaning "female dog".[6][7] "Dog" has long been used as an insult toward both women and men. In ancient Greece, dog was often used in a derogatory sense to refer to someone whose behavior was improper or transgressive.
That second one doesn't mean his mum cheated on his father. It means "a person born of unmarried parents". Interestingly the second definition from the dictionary website I got that from was "a person, especially a man"!
When you say "f**k the police" you dont litteraly mean that. The word a**e used to be just a word for a body part but when the french language invaded england it was only used by the lower classes and became considered crass. This is how swears work. Yeah they might have roots in history, but at this point they no longer really carry those connotations for most people, theyre a concept unto themselves. Most sayings are like this too, "curiosity killed the cat" has a second part: "but satisfaction brought it back". The original saying is the complete opposite of the way we use it now. Language evolves and changes, the meanings of words are dependent oh how the people speaking them use those words, not on what someone did in history or wrote in a dictionary. I agree the connotation of these swears is problematic, but saying it automatically implies misogyny is a reach. When people just repeat what they hear without knowing the history of those words or ever really thinking about the implied meaning, that cant be misogyny, internalized or not, its at best ignorance or apathy. To most people any of those phrases are just a way of swearing at people.
I understand what you’re saying, I think the thing about internalized misogyny is that one isn’t aware of it as it’s woven into the fibres of ones being. To become aware does require excavating ones history, unravelling and teasing apart to find the roots and the roots of misogyny run very very deep.
Load More Replies... eh. I only just realized bastard could also have this meaning. I always assumed someone being a bastard meant dad took off and left the kid to the mom. I mean, in the times of ruling monarchs, bastard meant the king or some royal did the deed with the helpless help, got her pregnant and refused to openly address the child as his son. Think Ramsay Bolton in GoT.
me and my friends call each other this, it inst an insult to us and it makes us laugh. I'm known as bitch and my best friend is known as asshole.
I think the worst thing I've ever called a guy is "useless, stupid and weak". Trust me, he deserved it. It was after 2 years of beating/stalking.
"Bastard" doesn't imply cheating, it just means being born out of wedlock.
"Bastard" does not mean a woman cheated on a husband/partner, it means a child was born out of wedlock.
SOAB is very American, we only use it over here when doing an impression of an American really, plus it's a s**t insult for this very reason.
I think these are just turns of phrase and don't necessarily reflect on someone's actual beliefs. I say "oh my god" and I'm a confirmed atheist. That doesn't mean I secretly believe in a sky daddy. I just say the phrase. The only one I don't like is when people use "pussy" as an insult, when pussies are pretty much the strongest and most amazing things in the world!
This has more to anger someone than insulting them. The origins of this goes way back. If you insult someone you may not be able to get a reaction, if you insult someone they cherish however, they will be more likely to react. Say for instance you are about to duel with your opponent and trying to make him angry. This was a more surefire way of accomplishing that. It is funny to see this misogynistic insult came to be because men were more sensitive to insults to their mothers than themselves. Talk about irony.
Bastard does NOT imply any cheating wtf is wrong with you? It just means the parents were not married to,each other at the time of birth.
Those insults point to the weakness of men: the fear of being cuckolded.
There are some situations where both the mother and the son are bitches, however you probably shouldn't go off insulting random women you don't know
Yes, this is the biggest problem in the world today. Bad names that were thought up a billion years ago, and have become offensive today. Move over world hunger, raping and killing. This is what has to be solved!
You are definitely one of those ones where people are specifically talking about slurs against women & you need to post the male equivalent… no one is saying it doesn’t happen to men too, it’s that the whole article is solely about Misogyny.
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Because it insults the mother completely unnecessarily. It is insidious misogyny of the kind that goes over many people's heads because they don't think deeply about it. You proved the point.
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Assuming prestigious positions (judge, CEO, etc) are men before I know their gender. Caught myself doing it when my attorney referred to the judge who would be at our hearing as "her" and I was surprised.
It's scary how subtle it can be, and how it can pop up without you even realizing those things were internalized.
My knowledge isn’t less valuable or accurate than a man’s knowledge.
That sex is not something women give to men, but something BOTH parties (should) enjoy.
In my opinion, a good sex life is essential for a strong relationship. And, in order for both parties to enjoy it, they need to communicate with each other. Saying that, I understand that this would probably not apply to asexuals.
That my worth and existence as a woman isn't entirely decided by my appearance. That I don't need to achieve a standard of prettiness before I'm worthy of respect, love and self-confidence
That my value as a human being won't suddenly disappear the second I turn 30. Even though on average women spend 65 years of our lives as an adult, we're only considered "young enough" for 12 of them. For the remaining 53 years, or 82% of our adult lives, we're made to feel like old hags by society. It sucks
I don't have to dye my greying hair if I don't want to. On the flip side, I can have it rainbow coloured if I feel like it.
It's OK to be outside with unshaven legs. It's hair. It's just hair
yes......hair is not unhygienic....unless a doc tells me so.....n this is not sarcasm ///
That I don't have to have a husband or kids to live a fulfilling existence. (Totally cool that some women do though!)
I was downtown one day and saw this woman in leggings, boots, and a jacket. She had a pony tail and Starbucks. I thought "Ha, look at this basic bi-" and had to stop myself. I then thought "No, she looks comfy and caffeinated, and that pony tail looks great!"
I often catch myself judging stereotypes for no damn reason.
That other women aren't my competition.
Women are always in competition with each other. Men are always in competition with each other. We all compete all the time. Whether it is in work, in relationships, or within family. It can be as destructive as it is beneficial, but we still do it.
The not like the other girls trope. I'm just like other women, and I like most of them.
If you think you're not like other girls, that's because you haven't met enough of them yet. Expand your horizon. Meet more people. Be honest. Be vulnerable. You have more in common with other girls than you think, and there's nothing wrong with that.
The hatred of hairy armpits in pictures. Idk if I’ll ever unlearn this one. I just hate how it looks (particularly on me).
That women who do make up, nails, or pay attention to the way they look are not shallow or self-conceited. “Girly” should not be an insult.
That i dont owe prettiness to anyone
here’s a qoute by Erin Mckean about it:
“You don’t owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don’t owe it to your mother, you don’t owe it to your children, you don’t owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked ‘female’.”
Thank you. It is years since I read this quote and I'd forgotten who said it.
Formerly raised Christian woman here: sl** shaming. I'm much better about it now but basically do not judge women's character who are promiscuous.
Also women who are hyper feminine. As long as they don't tell me I need to be the same I can respect their lifestyle as long as it's for them not to solely please men when they don't even like wearing all that stuff.
That my first sexual experience was my choice and that virginity is a concept. That nothing was taken from me. I chose to do it and we did an action together. Period.
That it's not my job to monitor everyone's emotional status, and take care of their feelings and mental health.
It's okay to piss someone off by speaking up.
No matter your gender, try to be diplomatic, if you can. But sure, you shouldn't hide your opinion, even if it pisses somebody.
I can wear whatever length skirt or pants I want. I’m not a wh**e for wearing ones that end anywhere above my knee.
"Girls suck."
As a 90s kid, this was the theme and in order to not suck, you had to be "not like other girls."
And as soon as you realize they don't suck, you're pitted against each other and aren't able to enjoy how awesome they are.
Turns out, girls are the s**t and their virtues don't detract from yours!
Sometimes when I'm out and about I still feel this vibe coming at me from other women and I understand that where they're coming from has nothing to do with me. Now, I just give them a nice, big smile. 9 times out of 10 they break into the sweetest smile you can imagine and I love that moment. We friends, y'all.
Ah yes, the 90's. When we still thought women should either serve as an aesthetic or the target of insulting jokes.
That I don't have to listen to men. I can't count how many times random men I barely knew started telling me deeply personal crap like it's my job to listen/care about their problems.
Ha YES!! Like a man telling me that "xyz" isn't attractive... ah so what?? Like makeup, or some item of clothing. Eewww what makes them think I want to be attractive to them?
That saying no and having an opinion doesn't make me mean/unattractive
Calling ppl pussies as a sign of weakness. Pussies are actually very resilient and strong.
Betty White famously said: Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding.
Referring to women in their 20’s and 30’s (including myself) as “girls”
I don’t owe my partner sex. For my whole life I’ve operated off this notion that my role as girlfriend is to give my boyfriend sex and if I say no too many times it’s legitimate cause for him to want out of the relationship.
I dunno, it seems like a perfectly legitimate cause for someone to want out of a relationship. If I'm only okay with having sex once a month but my partner wants sex every 3 days then our sex drives are not compatible. There's no shame in ending a relationship for that reason.
That when the house is dirty/messy it is not because I am a failure. Chores are not divided by gender and self worth doesn’t come from the outward appearance of perfection.
This one is heavily ingrained in women and I've tried with all my partners to ask them to not do it. As soon as guests are coming over, whooooosh the house gets a whirlwind clean. I mean really? They're my friends. They're much bigger slobs. They really won't see, know, or care.
Being "girly" is not wrong. The disrespect shown towards "typical" female interests, i.e. pumpkin spice, yoga, makeup, etc. is because it is considered female. Even though women are more than half the population, their interests are considered "silly".
That I don't need to be "sweet" all the time. I was always so scared of being perceived as rough or mean. I felt that I needed to be nice all the time like a Disney princess, and never be bothered by anything ever. And never cuss cause ladies don't do that.
I don't go out of my way to be mean. It's good to be good. But that doesn't mean I pretend to be okay when I'm bothered or watch how I'm perceived all the time to be attractive to men.
ThAt I need to have a steady boyfriend or husband for my Survival and fulfillment. I. Do. NOT.
Saying sorry for everything when you haven't actually done anything wrong. At least in the states this is a very common for women to basically apologize for existing or making someone else's life slightly inconvenient with their incredibly reasonable actions. "I'm sorry to bother you" when reaching out, someone holds the door "sorry, thank you", speaking up about something "sorry, but". We don't need to apologize for any of these things. Men rarely if ever do this.
One time I apologized because my sister pointed out that I looked really shaky, and then she gave me a weird look and I realized it was stupid to apologize and wondered why I did in the first place
Okay so pink and purple are neat colours, but mainly that there’s no need to feel guilty about not wanting kids. I know the person I am and I know I wouldn’t be a kind mother. Sometimes it’s good to know your limits
My dad thinks I'm lying about not wanting/liking kids because I like to babysit my baby cousin. I mean, dude, I like watching her because I don't have to do it everyday, I'd be an awful parent if I had to do it everyday
That women can be experts on things - often I’ll be watching the news and catch myself believing a woman specialist less than if she were a man. It’s the one misogynistic thing that’s really stuck in my brain and I catch myself out and correct myself every time but still it persists - so weird and annoying and against all of my values!
You have no idea how often this one bites people in the a$$, medically speaking.
I might be a girl and I might be the oldest but it is not my job to manage my parents' feelings and expectations. It took nearly 50 years to learn that lesson but at least I did it - and hopefully I managed to pass it on to my kid, so that she won't waste nearly the time on it I did.
Rest isn’t just for men. My husband doesn’t do the dishes when he visits his parents and I feel bad for not always doing the dishes when I visit my parents.
One hundred percent THIS. I'd like to rest too, I hate being expected to help with cooking and dishes while the guys (brothers and husbands) don't!
I don't see the men in my life putting the time energy or give-a-damn into: getting rid of body hair, or keeping their skin perfect, or being the perfect body 110% of the time. I'm allowed to just be me and be comfortable in that.... But sometimes it digs into my subconscious that I SHOULD want these things. Trying my best.
It's okay if she isn't wearing something of conventional/"weird" clothing but something which she loves.
Again we're back on the clothing thing, but I must say it's definitely swung in favour of women at the moment. Try be a woman and wear a suit. You might get some sexist remarks that you are trying to be macho or dominating. Try be a man and wear a dress/skirt. If you don't get beaten up you will certainly be insulted. I get insulted for merely wearining non-blue clothing. Literally. Maybe this is a side-effect of living in Africa. We had a case where one guy publicly announced that he'd beat a woman who was wearing pants... but he was a rural guy. In cities, women wear pants all the time. I've only ever seen a man in a skirt at a scottish parade.
I can not like another woman for whatever dumb reason I care to name, but if I go after her looks instead of the real issue between us I am the one in the wrong.
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Yes. Toxic masculinity is internalised sexism from men to themselves and other men. So this is toxic femininity. Sexism harms everybody
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My mother said this to me when I was about ten: "You don't need a man to be a person". And that has shaped my thinking more than I realize ever since, after I read this post. Memo: Thank Mom again.
but is the goal to be a person or to be happy? my mom thought me i don't need a man to be happy.
Load More Replies... For me it's that I don't always have to be in control and be as level-headed as I can, because losing my patience or getting emotional would mean I'm 'getting hysterical'.
Someone needs to get Damon a bubba, a binky n a blankey n put him back to bed.
For me it is that its ok to like flowers. I love nature and that is fine in my head. But i also love bouquets of flowers and that makes me feel guultt and shallow. Only quite recently i started getting them for myself and now my partner buys them occasionally (like cheap ones not too expensive)
is that a misogynyst thing to like bouquets? my wife likes them and i have my own favorite flowers. i always thought it would be the other way gender wise.
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TBH, I got somewhat pissed off that a couple of men decided to try to monopolize this whole post. I found this to be quite obnoxious. To me the title of the article and the introductory paragraphs make it pretty clear that it is inviting *women* to discuss this issue/phenomenon. When a man is displaying misogynistic behavior can that even be called internalized? Isn't that just plain misogyny? The phenomenon being discussed here is specific to women, is it not?
The topic is internalized misogyny but the floor is everyone's to share their thoughts.
Load More Replies... Acceptable womanhood has been defined by men for centuries. Feminism has helped us move some way towards moving us away from this, but some of that message has been lost in man-hating rhetoric, both from the female side, and from men trying to negate the forward movement of feminism. I think a really good question to ask yourself, and be honest with yourself about, is: am I doing this because I want to/because it makes me happy, or am I doing this to please a man? Whether it's your appearance, your job performance, what you choose to say or not say, etc.
I had to undo a a lot of negative associations with my gender I developed growing up as a hyperactive girl and It's definitely been worth it trying actively to undo them.
Also, I don't have to wear heels If I don't want to. One woman once told me: "If I want to feel like a woman, I wear high heels. " Well, I feel like a woman regardless of my shoes.
Agree. And wearing heels often damages feet. Heels also slow you down if you need to run anywhere or are being stalked.
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Why "empowered" ? Can someone explain me the meaning of this word exactly ?
Here, empowered refers to women who already have some level of awareness regarding the patriarchal social programming that we all receive from birth. We are aware of it and we reject it because of the inferior, servile position it places us into in virtually every single society in the world. Instead of accepting this imposed identity, we strive to assert and define ourselves for ourselves.
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I think there is a lot of gender confusion about what femininity is - it's seems that if a young girl wants to kick about in jeans and t-shirt, short hair, play football, not bother with styling, make-up, clothes, accessories, that she must classify herself as non-binary or demi-girl. I think it's misogynistic, internal or otherwise, to say that a girl can't really be a girl unless you are into 'girlie' things.
One is that everyone assumes animals in videos or pictures are automatically male, even women! I think It's because people don't try to identify with women so sometimes it seems like they forget we exist
Hmm... guess it must be different for me. Grew up on a farm and so tend to look! Though a field of cattle I'd mostly assume would be female (very easy to spot the difference with cows!). Same for a field of sheep. The dogs we had were a mix but the cats were all tom cats so I never heard of the whole cats = female thing that elSti mentions. When I first read it (here on Bored Panda) I thought it was extremely strange. Personal experience makes such a difference.
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Yes. Toxic masculinity is internalised sexism from men to themselves and other men. So this is toxic femininity. Sexism harms everybody
Load More Replies... My mother said this to me when I was about ten: "You don't need a man to be a person". And that has shaped my thinking more than I realize ever since, after I read this post. Memo: Thank Mom again.
but is the goal to be a person or to be happy? my mom thought me i don't need a man to be happy.
Load More Replies... For me it's that I don't always have to be in control and be as level-headed as I can, because losing my patience or getting emotional would mean I'm 'getting hysterical'.
Someone needs to get Damon a bubba, a binky n a blankey n put him back to bed.
For me it is that its ok to like flowers. I love nature and that is fine in my head. But i also love bouquets of flowers and that makes me feel guultt and shallow. Only quite recently i started getting them for myself and now my partner buys them occasionally (like cheap ones not too expensive)
is that a misogynyst thing to like bouquets? my wife likes them and i have my own favorite flowers. i always thought it would be the other way gender wise.
Load More Replies... TBH, I got somewhat pissed off that a couple of men decided to try to monopolize this whole post. I found this to be quite obnoxious. To me the title of the article and the introductory paragraphs make it pretty clear that it is inviting *women* to discuss this issue/phenomenon. When a man is displaying misogynistic behavior can that even be called internalized? Isn't that just plain misogyny? The phenomenon being discussed here is specific to women, is it not?
The topic is internalized misogyny but the floor is everyone's to share their thoughts.
Load More Replies... Acceptable womanhood has been defined by men for centuries. Feminism has helped us move some way towards moving us away from this, but some of that message has been lost in man-hating rhetoric, both from the female side, and from men trying to negate the forward movement of feminism. I think a really good question to ask yourself, and be honest with yourself about, is: am I doing this because I want to/because it makes me happy, or am I doing this to please a man? Whether it's your appearance, your job performance, what you choose to say or not say, etc.
I had to undo a a lot of negative associations with my gender I developed growing up as a hyperactive girl and It's definitely been worth it trying actively to undo them.
Also, I don't have to wear heels If I don't want to. One woman once told me: "If I want to feel like a woman, I wear high heels. " Well, I feel like a woman regardless of my shoes.
Agree. And wearing heels often damages feet. Heels also slow you down if you need to run anywhere or are being stalked.
Load More Replies... Why "empowered" ? Can someone explain me the meaning of this word exactly ?
Here, empowered refers to women who already have some level of awareness regarding the patriarchal social programming that we all receive from birth. We are aware of it and we reject it because of the inferior, servile position it places us into in virtually every single society in the world. Instead of accepting this imposed identity, we strive to assert and define ourselves for ourselves.
Load More Replies... I think there is a lot of gender confusion about what femininity is - it's seems that if a young girl wants to kick about in jeans and t-shirt, short hair, play football, not bother with styling, make-up, clothes, accessories, that she must classify herself as non-binary or demi-girl. I think it's misogynistic, internal or otherwise, to say that a girl can't really be a girl unless you are into 'girlie' things.
One is that everyone assumes animals in videos or pictures are automatically male, even women! I think It's because people don't try to identify with women so sometimes it seems like they forget we exist
Hmm... guess it must be different for me. Grew up on a farm and so tend to look! Though a field of cattle I'd mostly assume would be female (very easy to spot the difference with cows!). Same for a field of sheep. The dogs we had were a mix but the cats were all tom cats so I never heard of the whole cats = female thing that elSti mentions. When I first read it (here on Bored Panda) I thought it was extremely strange. Personal experience makes such a difference.
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