Customer Finds Out Tattoo Artist Is Convicted Felon And Demands Their Money Back, Shop Responds In Best Way
Getting a tattoo is a big decision to make, so obviously you want to know what you are doing. Choosing the right design, the right location on the body and a reputable artist that you can trust are all essential. This person was very thorough, even researching the background of the artist, and I think it’s fair to say that they didn’t like what they found.
So they decided to cancel the appointment, doing so in a snooty and judgmental way and even going as far as to demand an ‘inconvenience fee.’ The tattoo shop duly delivered the epic response that the uppity client deserved, and sparked a debate about rehabilitation and the prison system in the process. Scroll down below to see how it all unfolded, and let us know what you think in the comments!
Someone checked the background of their tattoo artist and didn’t like what they found
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Here’s how people reacted to the tattoo shop’s epic response
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I'd be interested to hear what this person thinks ex cons should do for money if they aren't allowed to work. IMHO some of the biggest criminals aren't behind bars, plenty in business and politics don't seem to have to pay for their crimes.
i dont even like the term "ex cons" they have paid their price and entitled to be regarded as ordinary people
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Just a side note: do people really think, that only bad people are in prisons? Sometimes good people do bad things (intentionally or not, does not matter) but that does not make them bad in general. Some of the entries suggest otherwise.
Hell, sometimes innocent people get accused for doing bad things and end up in prison for it. You never can know.
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It's important to do all your research about your tattoo artist before you even approach them for an appointment at all. You need to know if they do the style you're looking for, and if you like their work. I'm curious to know how this "client" found out AFTER they put down this deposit. And what an a*s to demand a "inconvenience fee"! What a loser!
why do so much research about a tatto artist - just look at their work -- -when i had mine it never crossed my mind to ask her if she had ever been in prison
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If an artist/shop has enough of a reputation that they require a deposit for a session, there will always be a statement in the boilerplate that says if the session is cancelled the deposit is forfeit. It's standard business practice, for good reason. By cancelling an appointment you've prevented the artist from making any money for that 2-4 hour time period. Tattoo artists don't get paid hourly, they get paid only when they do work. So the owner was well within their rights to keep the deposit when she cancelled, as clearly stated in the contract she signed when she paid the deposit. Also, we dont know *why* he was in jail. You can speculate all you want, but the length of the sentence doesn't automatically mean it was a violent crime. I've seen people sentenced to 20 years because they had one pot plant in their house under 'intent to distribute' laws. I've also seen lengthy sentences after the person who was robbing them at gunpoint was injured the gun went off accidentally. We don't know. Our justice system is screwed up and has been for decades, so assuming that the length of the sentence implies a specific class of crime is asinine.
Financial crimes usually get the big sentences. I agree we shouldn't speculate though.
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Funny if she really feels that strongly about ex-cons, then she is in for a wake up call if she ever goes out to eat.
Seriously. I am a manager of pizza place and if I turned someone down because they made a poor choice as a child, I'd have like 3 employees lol
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the guy did his time and he's come out and tried to do something with his life. I'm assuming he didn't kill anyone or anything truly horrible, if so he deserves the right to make a go of his life.
Seven years out of jail, working hard, staying out of trouble, to then get called a Monkey...that kind of reaction is a bit overboard, if it was some kind of health concern whatever, but that language was demeening garbage. A movie based on a true story had a kid sentenced to alcatraz for stealing food from a store to feed him and his sister, store was also a post office, he was penalised for some crazy federal crime. Anything could have caused 13 years, if the boss trusts him, coworkers feel safe, then boo on that mean customer.
Hi. Look at me. Privileged white girl here. I also was convicted of a felony four years ago for possession. After all this time, including probation, I can finally have it expunged. It's taken this long for one mistake that I paid for and have learned from. The point is, almost every day you're doing something that any state could deem illegal you just haven't been caught. A lot of luck mixed with a dose of stupidity but nevertheless I shouldn't be valued any less of a human being
Everyone who has served time as a punishment for wrongdoing-Absolutely needs to be able to move on and put it behind them. Have it wiped out and be able to become valuable members of society. Why should something stupid and fairly minor done as an idiot teenager follow someone their entire lives
I knpw people have their own standing on this. But people can do bad things even the best people. Of course i believe some people just beyond help. But there are a whole lot other ex- convict trying to live their live normally after prison! And we should gave them a chance to do so.
As a Professional Tattoo Artist for over 10years and among the top tattoo artists from Bangalore, India. I totally understand that you will always find a few odd people like these. I have been asked for a refund of a tattoo deposit I took 5 years back. By someone who claimed to be in a tough situation because of Corona! So I just returned it although it was that many years back. Because i felt it was the ethical thing to do! Money comes and goes but I felt that there is no point in holding on to the money of a jackass. But that’s just me, in a different situation I agree with how the studio dealt with this.
I'd go there just to stare at him LOL so handsome jokes aside, why aren't we evolving as human beings? somehow a lot of people stopped and are teaching their young the same stupid things they have in their brains.
Good on the boss for saying that as a response. Customer is a judgemental goose. Have they not seen the prison shows where they tattoo others with whatever they can? Magic work, imagine with a real tatt gun!!!
It is incredible how racism has thousands of facetes....discrimination, injustice...wake up guys it is not this attitude that will make you happy here on earth!
Yeah, this sucks a freaking rotten egg! And I just bet, these are the people who don’t help anyone but themselves, too... gives humans a bad name. And .. I bet they scream for all immigrants to go home too... but the work that all our wonderful immigrants do perform, those I’m too good to have a convict touch me, wouldn’t do if their life depended on it. I just have to imagine how unfulfilled and boring their lives must be, and how very hard it must be, to walk around with a giant stick up their asses.. I’m not sure, but I think their brains may be smaller as they don’t use it so much!
I regularly watch a show on Animal Planet called Pitbulls and Parolees in which the woman who runs this shelter for piitbulls hires parolees because nobody else will. And God bless that woman and her family for their kindness and generosity.
To be honest, prisons aren't "rehabilitative facilities", they are businesses run solely for profit here in America. That is why so many petty crimes get such harsh sentences. They get so much money from the government for each prisoner. That is also why it's so hard to get out and so many don't do well after they get out. Many of them have no desire to help a person who has been there do any better, and many times families, businesses, and the general public are no better. I'm all for someone wanting to do the right thing and never go back, and not have it trail them for life. With one big caveat here, those who are truly don't want to do better or are truly capable of crimes they would simply do again because they like it. Serial murderers, pedophiles, con men who commit crimes of no remorse, etc. People who murder because they see no way out of a situation, the person who is arrested for a bag of weed.
Couldn't finish my thought here, the person who commits a minor crime has no business in a prison. Americans have let the government sell us down the river like so much trash and I don't hold out any hope for it changing any time soon. If the problem doesn't affect you personally most people are going to change it.
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I'd like to ask the customer "Who would you like to meet in a dark alleyway, someone who's been in prison and not been given a chance to better him/herself, or someone who's been in prison and now has been given a second chance by a society that doesn't discriminate?" Both would probably be alright, but if I had to choose, I know which of the two...
I would view 13 years in prison as a positive from an art perspective. He's had time and practice to get his craft on point. I go to an artist who has a solid portfolio filled with the type of art and work I personally prefer, and a client base affirming that his shop and methods are hygienic and the artist is sober and professional at work. I ask questions at the consultation to make sure he knows how to use his tools and understands what I want.
I can almost guarantee that this person lives in a dwelling that has ex-cons work on it at some phase during construction. Time to move into a cardboard box then I guess. They also live in a country that has crooked politicians and bankers. Better stop using the banks and paying taxes then. Oh wait, if you do that you go to jail. Look, it's fine to pick and choose who you'd like to support, but to ask for a 10% fee because, because nothing is a soft form of attempted extortion (which is also illegal).
I love it - prison monkey! As someone whose spent time in prison the dude has a chip on his shoulder. Don't come back in my shop - like the guy is going to come back after you just took his deposit lol.
People who hurt children, are scum and I don't disagree with your sentiment. What I am writing here is NOT a defence of paedophilia at all (which I find repugnant). It is an explanation. Paedophilia refers to an enduring sexual interest in prepubescent children, which may or may not be acted on. Not all paedophiles offend in anyway (people can suppress their desires!). Not all those who sexually abuse children are paedophiles, with many abusers acting opportunistically or due to something other than a sexual preference for children. So it isn't just paedophiles we have to be concerned about when protecting children from sexual abuse. Again, this is not a defence - the problem is far broader sadly. Though I doubt that will save me from a shed-load of downvotes.
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How about his victims? Does being released from prison automatically say that he is forgiven by his victim? How about if the victim died? How about the love ones of the victim who died? Do-gooders always talk about the ex-convict who wants to have a new life to live.How about the victims? How about their lives that were destroyed because someone who is selfish took something from them? We do not know his crime but 20 years conviction is not shoplifting or breaking a car's windshield. In my country that would have been murder, rape, kidnapping, illegal drug dealing, banditry, and the likes which would have left the victim dead, disabled or pregnant with STD. He is enjoying his new life now, how about the victims? do they have a life now?
I wouldn't want to get work done by a violent ex-offender (not saying this guy is). Especially if the criminal act was aimed at children or women, the need to control and dominate or molest never goes away. The crims either learn to live with it by self-control or having ongoing psychological sessions...which they probably can't afford and is rarely provided by the state. Imagine if you were telling him about your three year old daughter and his vision is blurring at the thought of what he'd like to do with her.
I have a feeling that you are the living embodiment of the term "douche".
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It's not our fault you are too stupid to know how to manage your money.
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Bradley has paid his debt to society and has a right to make a life for himself. What this complainant should have done is researched the tattooist first. They didn't. They made an appointment and took up a slot someone else could have filled and then they did the research. They have to accept that the deposit was non-refundable, that would have been made clear when booking and is not unreasonable. They also didn't ask for another member of staff, they just demanded their money back and a ridiculous 'inconvenience fee'. That doesn't make the customer's assumptions correct in anyway at all as nothing was taken from them that shouldn't have been. They don't have to use the services of an ex-con but I highly doubt that they are making their way in life and not coming across them unknowingly.
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Fine. She doesn't trust him. So what? She is NOT entitled to get her deposit back, and all tattoo places make their customers sign an agreement to that effect. She chose not to read what she signed, so she is SOL on this one. Plus, she's an a*****e.
Load More Replies... I'd be interested to hear what this person thinks ex cons should do for money if they aren't allowed to work. IMHO some of the biggest criminals aren't behind bars, plenty in business and politics don't seem to have to pay for their crimes.
i dont even like the term "ex cons" they have paid their price and entitled to be regarded as ordinary people
Load More Replies... Just a side note: do people really think, that only bad people are in prisons? Sometimes good people do bad things (intentionally or not, does not matter) but that does not make them bad in general. Some of the entries suggest otherwise.
Hell, sometimes innocent people get accused for doing bad things and end up in prison for it. You never can know.
Load More Replies... It's important to do all your research about your tattoo artist before you even approach them for an appointment at all. You need to know if they do the style you're looking for, and if you like their work. I'm curious to know how this "client" found out AFTER they put down this deposit. And what an a*s to demand a "inconvenience fee"! What a loser!
why do so much research about a tatto artist - just look at their work -- -when i had mine it never crossed my mind to ask her if she had ever been in prison
Load More Replies... If an artist/shop has enough of a reputation that they require a deposit for a session, there will always be a statement in the boilerplate that says if the session is cancelled the deposit is forfeit. It's standard business practice, for good reason. By cancelling an appointment you've prevented the artist from making any money for that 2-4 hour time period. Tattoo artists don't get paid hourly, they get paid only when they do work. So the owner was well within their rights to keep the deposit when she cancelled, as clearly stated in the contract she signed when she paid the deposit. Also, we dont know *why* he was in jail. You can speculate all you want, but the length of the sentence doesn't automatically mean it was a violent crime. I've seen people sentenced to 20 years because they had one pot plant in their house under 'intent to distribute' laws. I've also seen lengthy sentences after the person who was robbing them at gunpoint was injured the gun went off accidentally. We don't know. Our justice system is screwed up and has been for decades, so assuming that the length of the sentence implies a specific class of crime is asinine.
Financial crimes usually get the big sentences. I agree we shouldn't speculate though.
Load More Replies... Funny if she really feels that strongly about ex-cons, then she is in for a wake up call if she ever goes out to eat.
Seriously. I am a manager of pizza place and if I turned someone down because they made a poor choice as a child, I'd have like 3 employees lol
Load More Replies... the guy did his time and he's come out and tried to do something with his life. I'm assuming he didn't kill anyone or anything truly horrible, if so he deserves the right to make a go of his life.
Seven years out of jail, working hard, staying out of trouble, to then get called a Monkey...that kind of reaction is a bit overboard, if it was some kind of health concern whatever, but that language was demeening garbage. A movie based on a true story had a kid sentenced to alcatraz for stealing food from a store to feed him and his sister, store was also a post office, he was penalised for some crazy federal crime. Anything could have caused 13 years, if the boss trusts him, coworkers feel safe, then boo on that mean customer.
Hi. Look at me. Privileged white girl here. I also was convicted of a felony four years ago for possession. After all this time, including probation, I can finally have it expunged. It's taken this long for one mistake that I paid for and have learned from. The point is, almost every day you're doing something that any state could deem illegal you just haven't been caught. A lot of luck mixed with a dose of stupidity but nevertheless I shouldn't be valued any less of a human being
Everyone who has served time as a punishment for wrongdoing-Absolutely needs to be able to move on and put it behind them. Have it wiped out and be able to become valuable members of society. Why should something stupid and fairly minor done as an idiot teenager follow someone their entire lives
I knpw people have their own standing on this. But people can do bad things even the best people. Of course i believe some people just beyond help. But there are a whole lot other ex- convict trying to live their live normally after prison! And we should gave them a chance to do so.
As a Professional Tattoo Artist for over 10years and among the top tattoo artists from Bangalore, India. I totally understand that you will always find a few odd people like these. I have been asked for a refund of a tattoo deposit I took 5 years back. By someone who claimed to be in a tough situation because of Corona! So I just returned it although it was that many years back. Because i felt it was the ethical thing to do! Money comes and goes but I felt that there is no point in holding on to the money of a jackass. But that’s just me, in a different situation I agree with how the studio dealt with this.
I'd go there just to stare at him LOL so handsome jokes aside, why aren't we evolving as human beings? somehow a lot of people stopped and are teaching their young the same stupid things they have in their brains.
Good on the boss for saying that as a response. Customer is a judgemental goose. Have they not seen the prison shows where they tattoo others with whatever they can? Magic work, imagine with a real tatt gun!!!
It is incredible how racism has thousands of facetes....discrimination, injustice...wake up guys it is not this attitude that will make you happy here on earth!
Yeah, this sucks a freaking rotten egg! And I just bet, these are the people who don’t help anyone but themselves, too... gives humans a bad name. And .. I bet they scream for all immigrants to go home too... but the work that all our wonderful immigrants do perform, those I’m too good to have a convict touch me, wouldn’t do if their life depended on it. I just have to imagine how unfulfilled and boring their lives must be, and how very hard it must be, to walk around with a giant stick up their asses.. I’m not sure, but I think their brains may be smaller as they don’t use it so much!
I regularly watch a show on Animal Planet called Pitbulls and Parolees in which the woman who runs this shelter for piitbulls hires parolees because nobody else will. And God bless that woman and her family for their kindness and generosity.
To be honest, prisons aren't "rehabilitative facilities", they are businesses run solely for profit here in America. That is why so many petty crimes get such harsh sentences. They get so much money from the government for each prisoner. That is also why it's so hard to get out and so many don't do well after they get out. Many of them have no desire to help a person who has been there do any better, and many times families, businesses, and the general public are no better. I'm all for someone wanting to do the right thing and never go back, and not have it trail them for life. With one big caveat here, those who are truly don't want to do better or are truly capable of crimes they would simply do again because they like it. Serial murderers, pedophiles, con men who commit crimes of no remorse, etc. People who murder because they see no way out of a situation, the person who is arrested for a bag of weed.
Couldn't finish my thought here, the person who commits a minor crime has no business in a prison. Americans have let the government sell us down the river like so much trash and I don't hold out any hope for it changing any time soon. If the problem doesn't affect you personally most people are going to change it.
Load More Replies... I'd like to ask the customer "Who would you like to meet in a dark alleyway, someone who's been in prison and not been given a chance to better him/herself, or someone who's been in prison and now has been given a second chance by a society that doesn't discriminate?" Both would probably be alright, but if I had to choose, I know which of the two...
I would view 13 years in prison as a positive from an art perspective. He's had time and practice to get his craft on point. I go to an artist who has a solid portfolio filled with the type of art and work I personally prefer, and a client base affirming that his shop and methods are hygienic and the artist is sober and professional at work. I ask questions at the consultation to make sure he knows how to use his tools and understands what I want.
I can almost guarantee that this person lives in a dwelling that has ex-cons work on it at some phase during construction. Time to move into a cardboard box then I guess. They also live in a country that has crooked politicians and bankers. Better stop using the banks and paying taxes then. Oh wait, if you do that you go to jail. Look, it's fine to pick and choose who you'd like to support, but to ask for a 10% fee because, because nothing is a soft form of attempted extortion (which is also illegal).
I love it - prison monkey! As someone whose spent time in prison the dude has a chip on his shoulder. Don't come back in my shop - like the guy is going to come back after you just took his deposit lol.
People who hurt children, are scum and I don't disagree with your sentiment. What I am writing here is NOT a defence of paedophilia at all (which I find repugnant). It is an explanation. Paedophilia refers to an enduring sexual interest in prepubescent children, which may or may not be acted on. Not all paedophiles offend in anyway (people can suppress their desires!). Not all those who sexually abuse children are paedophiles, with many abusers acting opportunistically or due to something other than a sexual preference for children. So it isn't just paedophiles we have to be concerned about when protecting children from sexual abuse. Again, this is not a defence - the problem is far broader sadly. Though I doubt that will save me from a shed-load of downvotes.
Load More Replies... How about his victims? Does being released from prison automatically say that he is forgiven by his victim? How about if the victim died? How about the love ones of the victim who died? Do-gooders always talk about the ex-convict who wants to have a new life to live.How about the victims? How about their lives that were destroyed because someone who is selfish took something from them? We do not know his crime but 20 years conviction is not shoplifting or breaking a car's windshield. In my country that would have been murder, rape, kidnapping, illegal drug dealing, banditry, and the likes which would have left the victim dead, disabled or pregnant with STD. He is enjoying his new life now, how about the victims? do they have a life now?
I wouldn't want to get work done by a violent ex-offender (not saying this guy is). Especially if the criminal act was aimed at children or women, the need to control and dominate or molest never goes away. The crims either learn to live with it by self-control or having ongoing psychological sessions...which they probably can't afford and is rarely provided by the state. Imagine if you were telling him about your three year old daughter and his vision is blurring at the thought of what he'd like to do with her.
I have a feeling that you are the living embodiment of the term "douche".
Load More Replies... It's not our fault you are too stupid to know how to manage your money.
Load More Replies... Bradley has paid his debt to society and has a right to make a life for himself. What this complainant should have done is researched the tattooist first. They didn't. They made an appointment and took up a slot someone else could have filled and then they did the research. They have to accept that the deposit was non-refundable, that would have been made clear when booking and is not unreasonable. They also didn't ask for another member of staff, they just demanded their money back and a ridiculous 'inconvenience fee'. That doesn't make the customer's assumptions correct in anyway at all as nothing was taken from them that shouldn't have been. They don't have to use the services of an ex-con but I highly doubt that they are making their way in life and not coming across them unknowingly.
Load More Replies... Fine. She doesn't trust him. So what? She is NOT entitled to get her deposit back, and all tattoo places make their customers sign an agreement to that effect. She chose not to read what she signed, so she is SOL on this one. Plus, she's an a*****e.
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