Woman Explains How Millennials Are Systematically Infantilized By Previous Generations And It’s Spot On
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According to the Pew Research Center, today roughly 24% of young adults could be deemed financially independent by 22 years old, compared to 32% in 1980. It was also found that almost half (45%) the adults between the ages of 18 to 29 receive financial help from their parents. Pew Research Center further reports that young adults today are staying in school longer and marrying and establishing their own households later compared to the previous generations.
While it’s easy to jump to reductive claims and say that the current generation is lazy and entitled, the financial independence and other adulthood markers are not so easy to reach for today’s youth. The point was proven perfectly by a young woman on Twitter – Louisa shared her opinion on the so-called adulthood markers. According to her, the system is built to keep people just barely above water while at the same time bullying them for not conforming to the standards set by previous generations. Scroll down below to read Louisa’s tweets and don’t forget to tell us what you think in the comment section.
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Recently, one woman shared her opinion on the ‘infantilized generation’
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Louisa argues that today’s young adults are infantilized against their own will and then mocked for not being able to meet the expectations of adulthood. She says that people in power price the youth out of the aforementioned adulthood markers (a house, wedding, nuclear family) and makes them unreachable. Quickly enough, Louisa received praise for her on-point thread, but not everyone was agreeing with her. “Being financially independent is not hard. Pay off your debt. You can easily do this by living without using a credit card and living within your means. Then once your debt is paid off, build wealth. Budgeting will save your life,” one person wrote. Another man argued that the secret is, “kids as soon as you have room in your heart,” and then, “the money works itself out.”
Soon enough, Louisa’s thread on Twitter went viral
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People chimed in by offering a further extension of Louisa’s list
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People were particularly annoyed by the forced monetization of one’s hobbies and argued that “any hobbies or sources of enjoyment (i.e playing an instrument, drawing, photography, etc.) [are] only valuable if they are used as a source of income.”
“Don’t forget that the money spent on a said hobby, no matter how small, is a sign of our immaturity and the reason we can’t afford the things they had,” someone added.
People found Louisa’s thread relatable and some even responded with memes
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Boomer here and I think the article is spot on. We didn't have cell phones, internet, and most of the new electronic miracles back in the day. What we did have is a decent wage, almost free health care, jobs-jobs-jobs that paid real wages and had these weird things they used to call "benefits". Oh yes, and there were pensions so you didn't have to sock away money for your retirement. While interest rates were higher, the cost of housing (and everything else) was WAY cheaper. Examples: gas bill for heat $3.50/month, first cable bill in 1978 was $6.50/month. My grandparents purchased their 1st home in Philadelphia around 1905 for $600. My father purchased my childhood home for $12,000 in 1960. I purchased my 1st home for $49,000 in 1983. My childhood home sold recently for $250,000. See anything wrong with this picture?
Thank you. Lost Generation/Gen Y here (my parents are Boomers and my youngest sister's a millennial, so I'm the 'in-between' that no one bothers to remember exists) and if anything, we have it worse than the millennials. My generation is stuck with all the problems listed above, and we've been stuck there for longer. Saying these same things and having no one listen to us, or even admit that we *are* our own generation. Look, I was born in 1980, and I don't care where your 'arbitrary generational years' are, I'm not a millennial, because I was 20 by the time the millennium happened. But I'm certainly not a Gen Xer either; they're all older than me by a decade. Sorry, got sidetracked there a bit; what I was meaning to say is that you're one of the rare people that not only admits there's a problem, but you want to help fix it. Thanks for that.
@Carol Emory no Carol your weak assumptions are completely incorrect. I graduated college in 2013. I should have graduated in 2011 but I couldn't afford to do I worked full time between 2010 and 2013 and went to school online WHEN I had the extra cash. My wife and I bought our first home in Denver for 240K in Oct of 2012.... Right before the market started to get better. We sold that home in summer of 2017 for just short of $400K. We moved to Ohio for a better work/life balance and bought a home a few doors off Lake Erie for just under $200K. with the equity we earned from Denver, we put down $125K and now we are down to about 50K left. Your husband should transition to a network engineer or a systems administrator... thats where the $$$ is. My brother just got out of the USMC and is making $80K as a network admin. Your husband just chose a career thats a bit hard to make 6 figures... nothing wrong with that either.
Oh..and not every illness is foreseeable. I like how people say "Well if you eat right and exercise, you won't get sick." Slightly off point but very very true. I was young attending university, met a guy with stable job, vehicle, dated for years and got engaged, had baby....fiance got into drugs became abusive, put on anklet very dangerous and unpredictable....I left: since then 8 years of harassment from him, and then my health went. From age 24 to 30 (considering i already have spinabifida) I had a severe clot in my vein, one in my artery, went into sepsis and had half my intestines taken, shattered my femur slipping in kitchen while making bottle, raised son from 5 months to 2 years on a zimmerframe unable to carry him, used a stroller indoors......my point is, after all this, i receive criticism for being in an abusive relationship, having a kid when i have poor health, being a single mum, needing govt supported living allowance to get by (nm I worked hard until illness) X(
My parents purchased our 2200 sf home in '74 for $36k. It sold in '17 for $480k. The only real change to the home is the swimming pool my parents put in around '80. $480k. That is insane.
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Thanks Monty (python?), GenX here, my parents are not boomers though, but had the same priviledges than you. The problem really is the attitude of a few boomers, who had a sheer number of demographics supporting them, that every thing belongs to them. I call that: "Big Brother Syndrome"; a bigger brother comes into your room, takes your toys and locks them up in his closet: "they're mine now. You'll do the same to your younger bro". See what I mean? The boomers who didn't want that deal got assassinated (JFKennedy, JHendrix, MLKing...) by the CIA and als. It's in fact crazier than reality: it started in 1776 with the Illuminati of Bavières. They had a plan: 432Hz (note: A or La) to 440Hz, so music is a bit off the real natural frequencies (Real Natural C: 1Hz, C: 2Hz and G: 3Hz, so when you get to A it's 432Hz). You should tune your instruments to 432Hz instead of 440Hz: it's healing properties that come from natural symmetrical vibrations (cymatics). The Rockefeller Foundation is (*).
The Rockefeller and Rothschild are owning the World Bank through "Commision for International Settlement" (BIS), central banks fund them (Federal Reserve, Bank of Canada, Europe's banks, etc) as well as their own kind of people, rich, wealthy and crooked. The trilateral commision is under the WB: Them, Russia and Asia. That's how they planned to steal the world. Now you know: Bilderberg group has Bill Gates (PC) and all media owners and politicans talk under seal of secrety every year: WHERE is DEMOCRACY? Ask your politicians about it. Power to the People is what DemoCracy means. Get yourself a free education by reading as many wikis you can: download the pages for further access (Farenheit451 (Louis Malle) should be coming soon to a theater near you). If you haven't watched "The Matrix", take the blue pill, 'cause every one loves Keanu, right? Good Luck, Neo!
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And you probably have the top of the line cell phone plan, cable, newer car, refuses to have a roommate and eats out multiple times a week. What a piece of shit you are.
@m o'connell Agreed but one also has to account for the population explosion since then: every person thinks they need a child regardless of expense or practicality so supply and demand have outpaced availability of traditional homes - skyrocketing price.
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Those numbers you just threw out mean nothing. You need to factor in inflation across the board.
$12,000 in 1960, factored for inflation becomes just over $100,000 in 2019 dollars. I would be ABLE to buy a house for $100,000!! The only houses that cheap around here are usually hell-holes being auctioned for back-taxes, or foreclosures.
And minimum wage equivalent to the 80's should be $17, at least as of a few years ago. It's higher now. But they're SCREAMING that the country will collapse if they pay it. Every time they raise the minimum wage, the economy has gotten better over the next few years. If you want to good information on this from an actual investor, check out the essays of Nick Hanauer, the only original non-family-member investor in Amazon. "The Pitchforks Are Coming" is one of his best & shows the games corporations play to make people voluntarily give up their hard-earned pay.
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Lets break that down to buying power of the dollar as it relates to inflation. 1905: House Cost $600. Average income was $438/year 1978: Gas and cable in was $10 total. Income back then was $15,060 on average. 1983: House was $49,000 and income was $25,400 TODAY: Average house $315,000. Average income $83,000. From what I see, even boomers could make the same argument against the previous generation. Im not well off, I didnt get a scholarship or free college, and I worked my ass off. I didn't believe the lie of taking out student loans is how you go to college and I worked 50+ hours a week from the age of 16 till about 25. And now at 31, I have about $50k left on my mortgage, my wife and I bring in just over 100K a year and we havent had any debt other than the house from the day we were married.
Just don't get seriously sick or injured. I've seen many smug people talk about how they are just fine & everyone else is lazy, until a crisis hits.
Totally, your anecdotal story is proof that everyone is just whining and have no point to make. Unfortunately you didn't even include the Boomer generation in your stats, weird that you would leave them out. But your point remains, that things have progressively gotten worse to the point that they are now untenable. That is what you were trying to say, correct?
Explain to me how you worked 50 hours per week and still managed to attend classes and complete coursework.
Oh..and not every illness is foreseeable. I like how people say "Well if you eat right and exercise, you won't get sick." Yeah..well car accidents and cancer don't give a crap how much kale you eat or how much yoga you do each week. And being healthy while giving birth to a healthy baby doesn't keep you from receiving a $12,000 hospital bill that includes the hospital charging you for "skin to skin contact" meaning they charge you for holding your own baby after it's born. And don't even give me the "Well if you can't afford kids, don't have them." That's just the kind of statement I would expect from a TINK.
I wanna know what fantasy world you live in where the average income is $83,000. My husband is a professional Web Developer and he's never been able to crack above 65k in the 19+ years he's been doing it because he's self taught and doesn't have a college degree to attract the big businesses into hiring him. Every job he's had has never had health benefits which means we pay insurance and medical costs that nearly equal our rent each month. And our rent has nearly doubled in less than 10 years while our salaries have not. And if you only have $50k left on your mortgage, then you bought it long before the real estate prices jacked up to over 3 times their original price just 10 years ago. My father's home was worth about $140k not more than 15 years ago. It's listed today at $556k. That's not a normal increase when minimum wage only increased about 40 cents an hour in that same time frame.
Alpha puck..given your statements, I'm guessing you went to college back in the late 80's, early 90's when colleges were much cheaper than they are today. Which means, that's when you most likely bought your home, worked your way through college, and managed to do it all without taking out student loans. College costs have radically increased since your day and jobs are not as frequent or pay as much as you think. College apartments in our small town cost upwards of $650 per person...not a flat rent rate like most normal places..that's per person. And before you say "Live in the dorms," there aren't enough dorms to go around. In-state tuition for a 4-year college including books is over $20k a year..and that doesn't include living expenses. Now if you earn minimum wage at 50 hours per week (and that's 2 jobs..because places that pay minimum aren't going to pay overtime), you can make $18,850/year. Hmm...see a problem here. I can't imagine why they take out financial aid loans?
It seems that some people here don't like the truth to be told. But that's BP today; Either you go with the flow and don't critise or you get loads of downvotes.
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@M O'Connell dont be petty. Surely you are bright enough to realize that during the school months, I didn't work 50 hours. I would usually work 25 hours a week during school and 50+ during the summer months. And it still paid for my college. Lets try to use that big brain of yours! I know you can do it!
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Alphapuck - thank you. Only sane, intelligent comment so far.
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@Renee Gauthier I have saved enough money to pay my deductible and the percentage of what my insurance wont pay up to a $500,000 health crisis. But you are also right in saying that people say just dont get sick... eat healthy and exercise and you can control a great portion of that. If you dont do that, then yes you are lazy. Stop making excuses for your poor decisions.
GenX here and this article is correct. Except! These rules apply to ALL of us. Yes, my generation got a head start. I do have wealthy friends but most of my friends are like me: struggling to keep up and get by every month, and knowing the system is stacked against EVERYone but the wealthy. Many Boomers and Silent Generations are also feeling this pain, if they were working class, if they did not save enough, if they are ill or in an accident (in the U.S., where illness can make you homeless) if they were not rich to begin with. So it's idiotic for anyone to knock Millennials when we are all in the same boat that pits us against each other and is perfectly unbalanced to favor the rich. We need to join forces and take down the systems that harm decent, hardworking people.
Gen X was the beginning of the end, thanks to Reagan. I kept wondering when companies would realize that the less they paid their employees, the less money they spent at those companies. However, I didn't count on the same people not worrying about their companies making money, but just gambling with stocks prices & bailing with their golden parachutes. Individual CEOs were making money even as the companies were crashing & burning & laying off people. Then they'd start the next round. I was born in 1963, on the cusp between Boomers & Gen X, so I had a bit of insight on both & was affected somewhat by the financial crisis. I started out okay, then in the late 80's & early 90's, our basic 7% annual raise was changed to 3%. It's now 0%. I did get a pension, but since my salary hasn't gone up much, it won't be much, but I'm still better off than most millenials. However, it wasn't just Boomers who did this. Too many Gen X took the Reagan mythology & greed is good to heart.
Greed isn't a magic emotion that makes our economy run. It's what they told us so they (and we) could justify our greed & think we were helping the economy. While we were listening to that, they were picking our pockets.
You're absolutely right! Reagan's policies destroyed the middle class and produced our nightmare health care. So many blame just Trump, but he's finishing off what Reagan started. The lower classes are paying more in taxers than huge corporations and the ultra-wealthy. That's what Trump's tax break did; I wish so much people would educate themselves.
Alib: "We need to join forces and take down the systems that harm decent, hardworking people." We must do it pacifically. Heal yourselves first with 432hz music (A is now 440Hz). Just get an app that shifts 440 to 432 for your mp3, or make music yourself with string instruments tuned in 432Hz. It's between A and G#, so it feels a lot smoother and deeper in your body. Electronic instruments can be tuned too, just with a turn of a knob. 444Hz for A is also a very good healing frequency tuning. Play your usual 60s, 70s, 80s hits in 432hz, or get an app or device that tells you the tuning of the audio, so you shift it to 432 manually. Test it and see for yourself, hear for yourself. If it works, wake up someone else. 2020 is the year of action: The Woman of the Year according to TIME said their generation is ready. Join forces, wake up the hearts and minds, every one is in the same boat, and they are Men in a Highcastle (PKDick): UnGlorious Basterds (Tarantino): fascist/communist/globalist
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"We need to join forces and take down the systems that harm decent, hardworking people.". This is so ignorant it's almost unbelievable. This system has brought about raising the standard of living all over the world at a rate that's almost unfathomable. In almost every metric possible the world has gotten better but people want to tear that system down. Sure, take down the rest of the word's progress because you can't afford everything you want. That's the most selfish, entitled thing ever. I'm saddened that a genxer has decided to join the cult of victimhood.
Full Name - I am not a victim; I'm empowered. I agree that the world now has a higher standard of living, but the power gap and the wage gap is rapidly growing, and it's the wealthy who feel entitled and selfish, not I. There is much to be done to improve living conditions and healthcare for those of us who work hard and find ourselves in vulnerable situations because of the greed and entitlement of corporations.
No system can ever be perfect, human nature just doesn't seem to allow this. The creation of buy now pay later, an excellent way for banks to make revenue, great on paper...not great in real life experience. I'm sure I read a piece a while back that talked about capitalism in that it has always been expected, to some extent, that it is a model designed to ultimately get too big and fall (similar to rome), but the first half of the model is so prosperous ppl couldn't resist. Look at China, although socialist it's commerce is capitalistic: they are where we westerners used to be in that phase, with high industry and pollution, growing wealth and middle class expanding. This is because we started earlier than them, we are now at the unavoidable end phase of this model: money shifting to an extreme ownership by few, and a disappearing middle class. I really really hope the projection model got the societal collapse part wrong...but my cynical self knows what is coming
I find it annoying that political discusions are put under generation tags. This way, it seems it is an issue between younger and older people. In fact, we are looking at political failures of the last 50 or so years.
Unfortunately it is a generational issue, because it's a particular generation of people that were the overwhelming cause of the problem. The postwar 'Baby Boom' generation got what they wanted out of life, but screwed every generation that followed them in the process. And most of them not only won't apologize for it, they blame us for it. Which is patently untrue.
We boomers did NOT get 'what we wanted' as adults - yes, lots of us lived in comfy houses in suburban neighborhoods as kids, but by the time we were adults, wages were becoming static,and taxes were being cut for the wealthy but not low and middle class earners. Furthermore, companies that had once shown that they valued the humanity of their workers by offering good benefit and pension plans found during the Reagan years that profits were much more important than anything (or anyone) else, and therefore it was perfectly acceptable to close factories in the states and move production overseas, where they could pay sweatshop wages and offer no benefits at all (not to mention being able to avoid having to meet all those inconvenient environmental standards imposed by the federal government). I don't know all the answers - all I know is that people need to pay more attention to the news, and go to the polls and vote.
Generations were split against one another on purpose: so that we don't communicate with each other. Now you know. Talk to each other, elders need the child and children need the elder. Everyone's in the same boat, but the chinese new year is the Rat: When the rats come out, the boat is sinking... they are the first to know. Sign O' the Times?
Do you know the series: Asterix and Obelix? It's an old but very good comic series for kids of all ages, written by Goscinny & drawed by Uderzo. It comes from France, and you should watch the movies in french with subtitles: your kids will love it, but you will understand better what's happenned. "Les 12 travaux d'Astérix" and "Astérix et Cléopâtre" are the most important to watch. Now, the world is "La Zizanie" (Zizany): it means: every people who were the same are split against one another... it's part of the PLAN: Novus Ordo Seclorum (1$ bill US verso) The New World Order for Millenia. The Roman Empire didn't die, it hid under the British Empire, and then in Financial Empire of Rothschild family (banks) + Rockefeller family (oil and mass control). And now Star Wars: we are the rebels, we are over 99%, they are less than 1%. They know it, but we didn't. Now we do. Lets play Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" in their face! Let's get the world back one heart at a time: let's make MUSIC!
Every generation since Moses has complained about the generation before/after them. In about 25 years there will be 20-somethings telling GenX that they are old, out of touch and clueless. And GenX will be telling those 20-somethings how they are ruining everything with their attitude and ethics. To quote Sir Elton, it's the circle of life.
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I kind of doubt it. GenX will gloss over with a sigh and a 'whatever'. Put their music back on and ignore the world. This dogfight is between the big generations. GenX just trying to survive, stay out of retirement homes, and die in peace. I am right between GenX and Millenials.
Powers that be do everything they can to upset us, and divide us. We have to fight off the impulse to succumb to that. Let's be supportive of young people. Life is hard and we need each other. Refuse to be made to feel like everyone else is "other" from you. We have WAY more in common than we do crap that divides us.
Yep, people are so worried that someone will get something they didn't get that they don't want anyone to have anything.
They did a study that basically checked out two scenarios: when ppl are offered a chance to have say $20 bux if another stranger gets $5, will do it. But when offered $20 and knowing a stranger would get $100, they chose not to accept the 20 so no one got anything. An interesting insight into humanity
"Refuse to be made to feel like everyone else is "other" from you." Are you shitting me? Rich people scream from a mountain top that anyone can be like them. It's the SJW's that are dividing people .
Did you know that the phrase "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" was originally created to describe something that is impossible? So when someone talks about how the poor just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, even thought they MEAN it should be easy, they're actually using an incredibly apt description of the difficulty of the situation.
Thank you! I have always wondered about that phrase, as it seems akin to trying to sail a boat by blowing on your own sail. But that makes sense ^-^
7. Criticize said generation so much that the word "millennial" is akin to an insult. 8. Get offended when millennials start calling out boomers.
Subsequent generations of post-Boomers have been steered or even railroaded into tertiary rather than stigmatised trades, resulting in huge student debt for often unuseful qualifications, at the same time causing a shortage of tradespeople to build housing and manage the other nuts and screws of society.
Except, those too, have been saturated.
The trades pay well and don't take 8 years of study to get into. Hey millennial pussies: go into the trades. By the time your friends have their useless BA's, you'll get paid a good wage and be debt free with money in the bank.
That's a man, baby!!
My son complained about never having enough money to live on. I told him I could cut his budget by 25% in a few minutes... He's got a rolls royce cell phone plan costing $150/mo, refuses to have a roommate, refuses to drive a car more than 3 years old, eats out instead of at home at least 4-5 nights a week, has to have the top of the line cable channels, and wonders why he never has money? Not my problem once he's graduated college.
NOT Necessarily “Infantilised By Previous Generations”, but ordinary people definitely have been Systematically Controlled & Fooled by the Greedy Selfish Top 1% of the Wealthy at Their Disposal, so that they can Grow Wealth for themselves and their offspring ... generations to come! In other words, the ordinary people have become the Slaves to produce fortune only for the Wealthy [Masters]!
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But it's always been like this. The strongest caveman at the best and had the most women. Kings ruled over peasants. At least now it's possible to move up into a higher class. It's not quite as easy as it was 30 years ago but it's still incredibly easy compared to most of human history.
Actually, as the Author indicates, it has become the Opposite, i.e. It has been getting More Difficult to truly move Up into a Higher Class. But, the author specifies The Younger generations are The ones having this kind of hard time. I say it is The Times/Eras, i.e. NOT the Ages, meaning all ordinary people at current time having this kind of Hard Time/Difficulty, comparing to the ordinary people ... quoting your time frame ... 30 years ago; and the ordinary people 30 years ago had their Hard Time, comparing to their 30 years ago. Making More $$$$$ is Neither Equal to Moving into A Higher Class, Nor the ONLY requirement to move into A Higher Class.
Rich | Poor
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It's over enjoy your little life and that's it
Omg this is spot on and I'm crying inside. There's no hope for anything because the rulers are a small group of really rich people and they come up with any excuse to fuck the classes below them even going so far in government as to create obstical courses for anyone trying to climb the class ladder
What a bucket of B U L L S H I T .. a whole generation of morons who refuse to take responsibility for their own shortcomings.
Dear Americans, get degrees that are actually required in the job market, and stop whining. Also, some trades pay very well. Love, Dan
But who's to blame for their complete and total lack of personal responsibility for their actions and choices? Everything is automagically someone else's fault. But as a gen-x'er and certified nihilist, I don't really care. Disaster-g...24c002.jpg
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There is no way my husband and I could have paid $35,000 for a home in Sunnyvale in 1963. Family paid for the home. We moved back to SF; the home with a master bdrm and bath, two other smaller rooms, hall bath, LR with dining area, fairly large galley kitchen and two car garage just sold for $750,000. It was a standard tract home with a front patio and lawn. There was a back patio with a lemon tree and large lawn. It was suburbia on steroids; the local public school had no windows at kid level, because it would have been a distraction. Lockheed moved in and home prices went through the roof after we moved. We bid on a home in SF in an estate sale; our bid would have won except for a consortium from Chinatown bidding higher with a suitcase full of cash. This was in early sixties. The SF home was a lovely '20's building with cedar closets, master BR and bath; the family left a Steinway grand piano in the LR. it would no doubt go for well over 1M today.
Xer here. I think this is spot on, but I also think that in general the millennial generation lacks the work ethic of the past. I have seen several mils come and go from a company that pays a decent wage, offers good benefits (80% employer paid) the Monday after you start work, retirement plans, and a host of other perks. The first time they don't get their way or are asked to deviate from their schedule or their normal routine in any way, they quit. In speaking with many of my contemporaries, this is often the case. Just this week, we had a 26 year-old female that was hired in at 47K to do admin work and when she was asked if she could adjust her lunch hour (go one hour later) for ONE WEEK to accommodate some training, she threw a fit, refused and left without notice stating, "She was not going to be disrespected." This is not an isolated incident with Mils quitting over the smallest of slights or reasonable requests. This is where the bad reputation comes from.
I think every generation is mocked and infantilized by their older generations. I'm a Gen Xer and I remember everything about my world being put down by older people.
Millennials are currently 24-39 years old. This is more apt for Generation Z.
A millennial is someone who became an adult in the last 20 years. Gen Zs are kids.
The education thing is absolutely correct. I have a bachelor's degree and applied to get a job at my local state hospital and couldn't get the job. My mother said that the degree is probably the reason I didn't get the job because they don't know why someone with that level of education wants to work there. I have an answer for them: because it's a job and it pays well. However my local pizza place didn't think twice when I applied there. I got hired right away.
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The whole argument is sad. It's ALL about money, whichever perspective is expressed. Who cares! Life is not a race. And you don't have to see it as one. Meaning - who cares who thinks what. Let them moan! Play your own game. Be as successful and healthy or not as you wish - it's an INDIVIDUAL experience.
Yes, I agree that this is our struggle, but I am also tired of hearing people complain about it. Sure there are a lot of barriers in our way, and I may never own a home, but we have different strengths and resources that our parents never did. Frankly Millennial are adults now. We have to figure our shit out, even if it just means redefining success for ourselves.
A lot of them are not just complaining. They're getting active in politics. That's a good thing. It should have happened back it he Reagan days before deregulation went rampant. Why is Amazon as big as it was? You couldn't have monopolies when I was growing up. Heck, they split up Ma Bell & that was at least regulated more strictly since it was a utility. And now we pay less money for cell phones/mini-computers with unlimited long distance than we did for a landline. Thank competition.
The earth can't support humanity expanding even more, so not having kids/having kids later is NOT selfish. It's being environmentally responsible.
There is more to this story than the post. I know many Millenials who have a college degree who struggle to find a decent paying job. All of them, 100%, have a Bachelor's or Master's Degree in Communication or Art History or Sociology or similar. These degrees have never paid a decent salary... ever, even when Boomers were young. They chose these programs because they were easy to get a degree in compared to those that start out with excellent pay, such as Accounting, Mechanical/Electrical/Chemical Engineering and Risk Assessment/Actuary. These programs are more difficult but certainly not unattainable. On top of that, they go into deep debt because they want that major University experience instead of taking the bulk of their classes at a far less expensive fully accredited Junior College or Community College and transferring to the Major University. These are things I did while in college to keep my debt down and go for a degree that would pay me back on my investment quickly.
May I ask where you live? I know engineers in the UK, France and the Netherlands who struggled to find any kind of job. On the contrary, high-paying companies like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, the Big 3 (think: graduates on £55,000 pa) are mad about history, sociology and political science graduates.
This sounds like a bunch of whining and complaining by a generation that, for some reason, think they get paid less than I got paid straight out of school...which was, by the way, less than $30,000 in the NYC METRO AREA!!!!! They are not special and they are not the only people today struggling with finances, life and the concept of adulthood. The difference is they think they are owed these things by the world because they got a trophy for spitting up and peeing on the potty.
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I love how the author just can't see how they are the epitome of what they are complaining about. They are the entitled brat who thinks they should have it better than the previous generation just because they were born.
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GET THE FUCK OVER IT. Your 20's will be over in a blink of an eye and you can join the rest of us who don't give a flying fuck about your stupid ass whining.
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Wow, sounds like someone has some Daddy issues! I suggest a bigger allowance.
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Hahahahha. Louisa is absolutely the type of pussy the boomers accurately make fun of. Whining that "the old people have priced us out of the market". Wah. Yeah it's much more expensive now, but once you get in you make much more money off your house now. Just because the previous generation had it easier doesn't mean you can blame all your problems on them, snowflake. It's funny how millennials get so butthurt about being told they are too butthurt. Cracks me up.
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like millenial Don't treat boomers like shit. we can see that with the 'ok boomer' . i'm in the middle of that and i can see both treat others like shit but both have their flaws
Millennials were just returning the shade brought by Boomers. If Boomers didn't want to be critiqued they should have kept their mouths shut in the first place.
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#6 is the primary motivation for infantilizing generations. Gen X slackers faced the same thing. The whole system is rigged and TWO generations will not be as well off as the previous ones. However, the same previous generations have been saying, 'Stop whining and just be thankful you have a job', for like decades...
why be thankful if you cant afford to live on your own because that job doesnt pay enough
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So the solution is socialism? I DON'T THINK SO!
When you get run over by a car you'll be begging for socialism
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You know what makes you successful? Here are the 3 (non rocket science) factors: Knowing the job market. You will never make a decent living if you go into a field that is saturated already, you know why? Because you are easily replaceable. Although these jobs aren't "glamorous" or "hip" there still is plenty of need for plumbers, electricians, truck drivers etc - all make close to or over $100k a year. Second is putting in the work. You aren't going to land a management position paying $120k right off the bat (unless you decide to be a pharmacist which requires a doctorate, so again hard work). Lastly is money management. Live within your means! Skip that morning Latte, keep using your old, functioning IPhone. Those who blame previous generations or other people for their failures in life will always be failures.
Wow, thanks for assuming that we don't work hard and that you somehow know how I'm spending my money. Way off base.
Jay is spot on. I'm so fucking sick of whiny pussies not doing the things he talks about, yet complain constantly. I see them all the time. Time to grow up, people.
Most people who are struggling are already doing this. I'm not saying I know exactly what the problem is, but it sure as hell isn't any of what you're talking about.
Bob 2.0 what
Bob 2.0 no
Also, if we all took service jobs, who would be doing those other necessary jobs? You know, the ones that will eventually lead to management but don't currently pay a wage that allow me to buy a house?
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If you are working those jobs that dont pay you a wage to buy a house yet you are old enough to own a house, you arent working to your full potential... or even half potential. I bought my first house in Denver at at 24 years old because I knew that working the types of jobs you talk about is setting me up for long term paycheck to paycheck living.
Jay, you seem pretty oblivious with your comment about truck driving jobs. Automation and robot drivers are going to replace the entire driving industry in maybe less than a decade. Have you not heard anything about that? Robots are going to replace humans in many lines of work. That is why we may need something like universal basic income. One industry that they say won't be replaced by the robots is programmers (I guess the robots can't program themselves yet).
You seem pretty oblivious with your comment. Yes, it's true that jobs will disappear. But that's a normal. Tinkers don't exist anymore and you'll have a hard time finding a linotype operator. 30 years ago webdesigners didn't even exist. So robots replacing people to do boring, dangerous or straining jobs is fine, because they'll also create new jobs in maintenance, supervision and programming. And don't forget that when people have more free time they'll need something to entertain them, which creates new jobs.
@Everyone below this comment: I have a feeling you fail to understand how infrequently modern robotics equipment requires maintenance. It's not like the early 20th century where some guy needed to oil every moving part manually every day, bearings lasted 6 months, and everything needed daily inspection. You could do 100% of the maintenance on a fleet of a dozen robotic trucks with 2 or 3 people. All the moving parts are monitored by sensors inside the vehicle (just like your own car), and any maintenance issues are reported remotely, and scheduled to be handled without any inspectors at all. Also, once "programming" is complete, there's little else for a "programmer" to do in this situation. Take my own vehicle as an example. I've driven it 150k miles with no maintenance of ANY KIND other than oil changes and new tires. Go back 50 years and your car needed to visit a mechanic every 5k miles. How many maintenance jobs were lost there?
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What AlphaPuck said is true, in no way they can maintain a working robot that is outside a factory. The cost that it would make in maintenance and the people that works on it's programming would definitely be sky rocket of bills. Don't downvote the guy, as he is only saying the truth and I don't where did you get that information of yours Terd Fergison.
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Are these predictions by the same people that predicted we would be under water by 2020? You also with new robots are going to need people to maintain and program them. So we may lose some driving jobs but we will gain them back in the form of IT and techs. Dont be foolish and think that UBI works via VAT. Im from Germany and its a pyramid scheme.
Boomer here and I think the article is spot on. We didn't have cell phones, internet, and most of the new electronic miracles back in the day. What we did have is a decent wage, almost free health care, jobs-jobs-jobs that paid real wages and had these weird things they used to call "benefits". Oh yes, and there were pensions so you didn't have to sock away money for your retirement. While interest rates were higher, the cost of housing (and everything else) was WAY cheaper. Examples: gas bill for heat $3.50/month, first cable bill in 1978 was $6.50/month. My grandparents purchased their 1st home in Philadelphia around 1905 for $600. My father purchased my childhood home for $12,000 in 1960. I purchased my 1st home for $49,000 in 1983. My childhood home sold recently for $250,000. See anything wrong with this picture?
Thank you. Lost Generation/Gen Y here (my parents are Boomers and my youngest sister's a millennial, so I'm the 'in-between' that no one bothers to remember exists) and if anything, we have it worse than the millennials. My generation is stuck with all the problems listed above, and we've been stuck there for longer. Saying these same things and having no one listen to us, or even admit that we *are* our own generation. Look, I was born in 1980, and I don't care where your 'arbitrary generational years' are, I'm not a millennial, because I was 20 by the time the millennium happened. But I'm certainly not a Gen Xer either; they're all older than me by a decade. Sorry, got sidetracked there a bit; what I was meaning to say is that you're one of the rare people that not only admits there's a problem, but you want to help fix it. Thanks for that.
@Carol Emory no Carol your weak assumptions are completely incorrect. I graduated college in 2013. I should have graduated in 2011 but I couldn't afford to do I worked full time between 2010 and 2013 and went to school online WHEN I had the extra cash. My wife and I bought our first home in Denver for 240K in Oct of 2012.... Right before the market started to get better. We sold that home in summer of 2017 for just short of $400K. We moved to Ohio for a better work/life balance and bought a home a few doors off Lake Erie for just under $200K. with the equity we earned from Denver, we put down $125K and now we are down to about 50K left. Your husband should transition to a network engineer or a systems administrator... thats where the $$$ is. My brother just got out of the USMC and is making $80K as a network admin. Your husband just chose a career thats a bit hard to make 6 figures... nothing wrong with that either.
Oh..and not every illness is foreseeable. I like how people say "Well if you eat right and exercise, you won't get sick." Slightly off point but very very true. I was young attending university, met a guy with stable job, vehicle, dated for years and got engaged, had baby....fiance got into drugs became abusive, put on anklet very dangerous and unpredictable....I left: since then 8 years of harassment from him, and then my health went. From age 24 to 30 (considering i already have spinabifida) I had a severe clot in my vein, one in my artery, went into sepsis and had half my intestines taken, shattered my femur slipping in kitchen while making bottle, raised son from 5 months to 2 years on a zimmerframe unable to carry him, used a stroller indoors......my point is, after all this, i receive criticism for being in an abusive relationship, having a kid when i have poor health, being a single mum, needing govt supported living allowance to get by (nm I worked hard until illness) X(
My parents purchased our 2200 sf home in '74 for $36k. It sold in '17 for $480k. The only real change to the home is the swimming pool my parents put in around '80. $480k. That is insane.
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Thanks Monty (python?), GenX here, my parents are not boomers though, but had the same priviledges than you. The problem really is the attitude of a few boomers, who had a sheer number of demographics supporting them, that every thing belongs to them. I call that: "Big Brother Syndrome"; a bigger brother comes into your room, takes your toys and locks them up in his closet: "they're mine now. You'll do the same to your younger bro". See what I mean? The boomers who didn't want that deal got assassinated (JFKennedy, JHendrix, MLKing...) by the CIA and als. It's in fact crazier than reality: it started in 1776 with the Illuminati of Bavières. They had a plan: 432Hz (note: A or La) to 440Hz, so music is a bit off the real natural frequencies (Real Natural C: 1Hz, C: 2Hz and G: 3Hz, so when you get to A it's 432Hz). You should tune your instruments to 432Hz instead of 440Hz: it's healing properties that come from natural symmetrical vibrations (cymatics). The Rockefeller Foundation is (*).
The Rockefeller and Rothschild are owning the World Bank through "Commision for International Settlement" (BIS), central banks fund them (Federal Reserve, Bank of Canada, Europe's banks, etc) as well as their own kind of people, rich, wealthy and crooked. The trilateral commision is under the WB: Them, Russia and Asia. That's how they planned to steal the world. Now you know: Bilderberg group has Bill Gates (PC) and all media owners and politicans talk under seal of secrety every year: WHERE is DEMOCRACY? Ask your politicians about it. Power to the People is what DemoCracy means. Get yourself a free education by reading as many wikis you can: download the pages for further access (Farenheit451 (Louis Malle) should be coming soon to a theater near you). If you haven't watched "The Matrix", take the blue pill, 'cause every one loves Keanu, right? Good Luck, Neo!
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And you probably have the top of the line cell phone plan, cable, newer car, refuses to have a roommate and eats out multiple times a week. What a piece of shit you are.
@m o'connell Agreed but one also has to account for the population explosion since then: every person thinks they need a child regardless of expense or practicality so supply and demand have outpaced availability of traditional homes - skyrocketing price.
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Those numbers you just threw out mean nothing. You need to factor in inflation across the board.
$12,000 in 1960, factored for inflation becomes just over $100,000 in 2019 dollars. I would be ABLE to buy a house for $100,000!! The only houses that cheap around here are usually hell-holes being auctioned for back-taxes, or foreclosures.
And minimum wage equivalent to the 80's should be $17, at least as of a few years ago. It's higher now. But they're SCREAMING that the country will collapse if they pay it. Every time they raise the minimum wage, the economy has gotten better over the next few years. If you want to good information on this from an actual investor, check out the essays of Nick Hanauer, the only original non-family-member investor in Amazon. "The Pitchforks Are Coming" is one of his best & shows the games corporations play to make people voluntarily give up their hard-earned pay.
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Lets break that down to buying power of the dollar as it relates to inflation. 1905: House Cost $600. Average income was $438/year 1978: Gas and cable in was $10 total. Income back then was $15,060 on average. 1983: House was $49,000 and income was $25,400 TODAY: Average house $315,000. Average income $83,000. From what I see, even boomers could make the same argument against the previous generation. Im not well off, I didnt get a scholarship or free college, and I worked my ass off. I didn't believe the lie of taking out student loans is how you go to college and I worked 50+ hours a week from the age of 16 till about 25. And now at 31, I have about $50k left on my mortgage, my wife and I bring in just over 100K a year and we havent had any debt other than the house from the day we were married.
Just don't get seriously sick or injured. I've seen many smug people talk about how they are just fine & everyone else is lazy, until a crisis hits.
Totally, your anecdotal story is proof that everyone is just whining and have no point to make. Unfortunately you didn't even include the Boomer generation in your stats, weird that you would leave them out. But your point remains, that things have progressively gotten worse to the point that they are now untenable. That is what you were trying to say, correct?
Explain to me how you worked 50 hours per week and still managed to attend classes and complete coursework.
Oh..and not every illness is foreseeable. I like how people say "Well if you eat right and exercise, you won't get sick." Yeah..well car accidents and cancer don't give a crap how much kale you eat or how much yoga you do each week. And being healthy while giving birth to a healthy baby doesn't keep you from receiving a $12,000 hospital bill that includes the hospital charging you for "skin to skin contact" meaning they charge you for holding your own baby after it's born. And don't even give me the "Well if you can't afford kids, don't have them." That's just the kind of statement I would expect from a TINK.
I wanna know what fantasy world you live in where the average income is $83,000. My husband is a professional Web Developer and he's never been able to crack above 65k in the 19+ years he's been doing it because he's self taught and doesn't have a college degree to attract the big businesses into hiring him. Every job he's had has never had health benefits which means we pay insurance and medical costs that nearly equal our rent each month. And our rent has nearly doubled in less than 10 years while our salaries have not. And if you only have $50k left on your mortgage, then you bought it long before the real estate prices jacked up to over 3 times their original price just 10 years ago. My father's home was worth about $140k not more than 15 years ago. It's listed today at $556k. That's not a normal increase when minimum wage only increased about 40 cents an hour in that same time frame.
Alpha puck..given your statements, I'm guessing you went to college back in the late 80's, early 90's when colleges were much cheaper than they are today. Which means, that's when you most likely bought your home, worked your way through college, and managed to do it all without taking out student loans. College costs have radically increased since your day and jobs are not as frequent or pay as much as you think. College apartments in our small town cost upwards of $650 per person...not a flat rent rate like most normal places..that's per person. And before you say "Live in the dorms," there aren't enough dorms to go around. In-state tuition for a 4-year college including books is over $20k a year..and that doesn't include living expenses. Now if you earn minimum wage at 50 hours per week (and that's 2 jobs..because places that pay minimum aren't going to pay overtime), you can make $18,850/year. Hmm...see a problem here. I can't imagine why they take out financial aid loans?
It seems that some people here don't like the truth to be told. But that's BP today; Either you go with the flow and don't critise or you get loads of downvotes.
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@M O'Connell dont be petty. Surely you are bright enough to realize that during the school months, I didn't work 50 hours. I would usually work 25 hours a week during school and 50+ during the summer months. And it still paid for my college. Lets try to use that big brain of yours! I know you can do it!
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Alphapuck - thank you. Only sane, intelligent comment so far.
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@Renee Gauthier I have saved enough money to pay my deductible and the percentage of what my insurance wont pay up to a $500,000 health crisis. But you are also right in saying that people say just dont get sick... eat healthy and exercise and you can control a great portion of that. If you dont do that, then yes you are lazy. Stop making excuses for your poor decisions.
GenX here and this article is correct. Except! These rules apply to ALL of us. Yes, my generation got a head start. I do have wealthy friends but most of my friends are like me: struggling to keep up and get by every month, and knowing the system is stacked against EVERYone but the wealthy. Many Boomers and Silent Generations are also feeling this pain, if they were working class, if they did not save enough, if they are ill or in an accident (in the U.S., where illness can make you homeless) if they were not rich to begin with. So it's idiotic for anyone to knock Millennials when we are all in the same boat that pits us against each other and is perfectly unbalanced to favor the rich. We need to join forces and take down the systems that harm decent, hardworking people.
Gen X was the beginning of the end, thanks to Reagan. I kept wondering when companies would realize that the less they paid their employees, the less money they spent at those companies. However, I didn't count on the same people not worrying about their companies making money, but just gambling with stocks prices & bailing with their golden parachutes. Individual CEOs were making money even as the companies were crashing & burning & laying off people. Then they'd start the next round. I was born in 1963, on the cusp between Boomers & Gen X, so I had a bit of insight on both & was affected somewhat by the financial crisis. I started out okay, then in the late 80's & early 90's, our basic 7% annual raise was changed to 3%. It's now 0%. I did get a pension, but since my salary hasn't gone up much, it won't be much, but I'm still better off than most millenials. However, it wasn't just Boomers who did this. Too many Gen X took the Reagan mythology & greed is good to heart.
Greed isn't a magic emotion that makes our economy run. It's what they told us so they (and we) could justify our greed & think we were helping the economy. While we were listening to that, they were picking our pockets.
You're absolutely right! Reagan's policies destroyed the middle class and produced our nightmare health care. So many blame just Trump, but he's finishing off what Reagan started. The lower classes are paying more in taxers than huge corporations and the ultra-wealthy. That's what Trump's tax break did; I wish so much people would educate themselves.
Alib: "We need to join forces and take down the systems that harm decent, hardworking people." We must do it pacifically. Heal yourselves first with 432hz music (A is now 440Hz). Just get an app that shifts 440 to 432 for your mp3, or make music yourself with string instruments tuned in 432Hz. It's between A and G#, so it feels a lot smoother and deeper in your body. Electronic instruments can be tuned too, just with a turn of a knob. 444Hz for A is also a very good healing frequency tuning. Play your usual 60s, 70s, 80s hits in 432hz, or get an app or device that tells you the tuning of the audio, so you shift it to 432 manually. Test it and see for yourself, hear for yourself. If it works, wake up someone else. 2020 is the year of action: The Woman of the Year according to TIME said their generation is ready. Join forces, wake up the hearts and minds, every one is in the same boat, and they are Men in a Highcastle (PKDick): UnGlorious Basterds (Tarantino): fascist/communist/globalist
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"We need to join forces and take down the systems that harm decent, hardworking people.". This is so ignorant it's almost unbelievable. This system has brought about raising the standard of living all over the world at a rate that's almost unfathomable. In almost every metric possible the world has gotten better but people want to tear that system down. Sure, take down the rest of the word's progress because you can't afford everything you want. That's the most selfish, entitled thing ever. I'm saddened that a genxer has decided to join the cult of victimhood.
Full Name - I am not a victim; I'm empowered. I agree that the world now has a higher standard of living, but the power gap and the wage gap is rapidly growing, and it's the wealthy who feel entitled and selfish, not I. There is much to be done to improve living conditions and healthcare for those of us who work hard and find ourselves in vulnerable situations because of the greed and entitlement of corporations.
No system can ever be perfect, human nature just doesn't seem to allow this. The creation of buy now pay later, an excellent way for banks to make revenue, great on paper...not great in real life experience. I'm sure I read a piece a while back that talked about capitalism in that it has always been expected, to some extent, that it is a model designed to ultimately get too big and fall (similar to rome), but the first half of the model is so prosperous ppl couldn't resist. Look at China, although socialist it's commerce is capitalistic: they are where we westerners used to be in that phase, with high industry and pollution, growing wealth and middle class expanding. This is because we started earlier than them, we are now at the unavoidable end phase of this model: money shifting to an extreme ownership by few, and a disappearing middle class. I really really hope the projection model got the societal collapse part wrong...but my cynical self knows what is coming
I find it annoying that political discusions are put under generation tags. This way, it seems it is an issue between younger and older people. In fact, we are looking at political failures of the last 50 or so years.
Unfortunately it is a generational issue, because it's a particular generation of people that were the overwhelming cause of the problem. The postwar 'Baby Boom' generation got what they wanted out of life, but screwed every generation that followed them in the process. And most of them not only won't apologize for it, they blame us for it. Which is patently untrue.
We boomers did NOT get 'what we wanted' as adults - yes, lots of us lived in comfy houses in suburban neighborhoods as kids, but by the time we were adults, wages were becoming static,and taxes were being cut for the wealthy but not low and middle class earners. Furthermore, companies that had once shown that they valued the humanity of their workers by offering good benefit and pension plans found during the Reagan years that profits were much more important than anything (or anyone) else, and therefore it was perfectly acceptable to close factories in the states and move production overseas, where they could pay sweatshop wages and offer no benefits at all (not to mention being able to avoid having to meet all those inconvenient environmental standards imposed by the federal government). I don't know all the answers - all I know is that people need to pay more attention to the news, and go to the polls and vote.
Generations were split against one another on purpose: so that we don't communicate with each other. Now you know. Talk to each other, elders need the child and children need the elder. Everyone's in the same boat, but the chinese new year is the Rat: When the rats come out, the boat is sinking... they are the first to know. Sign O' the Times?
Do you know the series: Asterix and Obelix? It's an old but very good comic series for kids of all ages, written by Goscinny & drawed by Uderzo. It comes from France, and you should watch the movies in french with subtitles: your kids will love it, but you will understand better what's happenned. "Les 12 travaux d'Astérix" and "Astérix et Cléopâtre" are the most important to watch. Now, the world is "La Zizanie" (Zizany): it means: every people who were the same are split against one another... it's part of the PLAN: Novus Ordo Seclorum (1$ bill US verso) The New World Order for Millenia. The Roman Empire didn't die, it hid under the British Empire, and then in Financial Empire of Rothschild family (banks) + Rockefeller family (oil and mass control). And now Star Wars: we are the rebels, we are over 99%, they are less than 1%. They know it, but we didn't. Now we do. Lets play Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" in their face! Let's get the world back one heart at a time: let's make MUSIC!
Every generation since Moses has complained about the generation before/after them. In about 25 years there will be 20-somethings telling GenX that they are old, out of touch and clueless. And GenX will be telling those 20-somethings how they are ruining everything with their attitude and ethics. To quote Sir Elton, it's the circle of life.
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I kind of doubt it. GenX will gloss over with a sigh and a 'whatever'. Put their music back on and ignore the world. This dogfight is between the big generations. GenX just trying to survive, stay out of retirement homes, and die in peace. I am right between GenX and Millenials.
Powers that be do everything they can to upset us, and divide us. We have to fight off the impulse to succumb to that. Let's be supportive of young people. Life is hard and we need each other. Refuse to be made to feel like everyone else is "other" from you. We have WAY more in common than we do crap that divides us.
Yep, people are so worried that someone will get something they didn't get that they don't want anyone to have anything.
They did a study that basically checked out two scenarios: when ppl are offered a chance to have say $20 bux if another stranger gets $5, will do it. But when offered $20 and knowing a stranger would get $100, they chose not to accept the 20 so no one got anything. An interesting insight into humanity
"Refuse to be made to feel like everyone else is "other" from you." Are you shitting me? Rich people scream from a mountain top that anyone can be like them. It's the SJW's that are dividing people .
Did you know that the phrase "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" was originally created to describe something that is impossible? So when someone talks about how the poor just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, even thought they MEAN it should be easy, they're actually using an incredibly apt description of the difficulty of the situation.
Thank you! I have always wondered about that phrase, as it seems akin to trying to sail a boat by blowing on your own sail. But that makes sense ^-^
7. Criticize said generation so much that the word "millennial" is akin to an insult. 8. Get offended when millennials start calling out boomers.
Subsequent generations of post-Boomers have been steered or even railroaded into tertiary rather than stigmatised trades, resulting in huge student debt for often unuseful qualifications, at the same time causing a shortage of tradespeople to build housing and manage the other nuts and screws of society.
Except, those too, have been saturated.
The trades pay well and don't take 8 years of study to get into. Hey millennial pussies: go into the trades. By the time your friends have their useless BA's, you'll get paid a good wage and be debt free with money in the bank.
That's a man, baby!!
My son complained about never having enough money to live on. I told him I could cut his budget by 25% in a few minutes... He's got a rolls royce cell phone plan costing $150/mo, refuses to have a roommate, refuses to drive a car more than 3 years old, eats out instead of at home at least 4-5 nights a week, has to have the top of the line cable channels, and wonders why he never has money? Not my problem once he's graduated college.
NOT Necessarily “Infantilised By Previous Generations”, but ordinary people definitely have been Systematically Controlled & Fooled by the Greedy Selfish Top 1% of the Wealthy at Their Disposal, so that they can Grow Wealth for themselves and their offspring ... generations to come! In other words, the ordinary people have become the Slaves to produce fortune only for the Wealthy [Masters]!
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But it's always been like this. The strongest caveman at the best and had the most women. Kings ruled over peasants. At least now it's possible to move up into a higher class. It's not quite as easy as it was 30 years ago but it's still incredibly easy compared to most of human history.
Actually, as the Author indicates, it has become the Opposite, i.e. It has been getting More Difficult to truly move Up into a Higher Class. But, the author specifies The Younger generations are The ones having this kind of hard time. I say it is The Times/Eras, i.e. NOT the Ages, meaning all ordinary people at current time having this kind of Hard Time/Difficulty, comparing to the ordinary people ... quoting your time frame ... 30 years ago; and the ordinary people 30 years ago had their Hard Time, comparing to their 30 years ago. Making More $$$$$ is Neither Equal to Moving into A Higher Class, Nor the ONLY requirement to move into A Higher Class.
Rich | Poor
AMERICA! The best government that corporations money can buy!
It's over enjoy your little life and that's it
Omg this is spot on and I'm crying inside. There's no hope for anything because the rulers are a small group of really rich people and they come up with any excuse to fuck the classes below them even going so far in government as to create obstical courses for anyone trying to climb the class ladder
What a bucket of B U L L S H I T .. a whole generation of morons who refuse to take responsibility for their own shortcomings.
Dear Americans, get degrees that are actually required in the job market, and stop whining. Also, some trades pay very well. Love, Dan
But who's to blame for their complete and total lack of personal responsibility for their actions and choices? Everything is automagically someone else's fault. But as a gen-x'er and certified nihilist, I don't really care. Disaster-g...24c002.jpg
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There is no way my husband and I could have paid $35,000 for a home in Sunnyvale in 1963. Family paid for the home. We moved back to SF; the home with a master bdrm and bath, two other smaller rooms, hall bath, LR with dining area, fairly large galley kitchen and two car garage just sold for $750,000. It was a standard tract home with a front patio and lawn. There was a back patio with a lemon tree and large lawn. It was suburbia on steroids; the local public school had no windows at kid level, because it would have been a distraction. Lockheed moved in and home prices went through the roof after we moved. We bid on a home in SF in an estate sale; our bid would have won except for a consortium from Chinatown bidding higher with a suitcase full of cash. This was in early sixties. The SF home was a lovely '20's building with cedar closets, master BR and bath; the family left a Steinway grand piano in the LR. it would no doubt go for well over 1M today.
Xer here. I think this is spot on, but I also think that in general the millennial generation lacks the work ethic of the past. I have seen several mils come and go from a company that pays a decent wage, offers good benefits (80% employer paid) the Monday after you start work, retirement plans, and a host of other perks. The first time they don't get their way or are asked to deviate from their schedule or their normal routine in any way, they quit. In speaking with many of my contemporaries, this is often the case. Just this week, we had a 26 year-old female that was hired in at 47K to do admin work and when she was asked if she could adjust her lunch hour (go one hour later) for ONE WEEK to accommodate some training, she threw a fit, refused and left without notice stating, "She was not going to be disrespected." This is not an isolated incident with Mils quitting over the smallest of slights or reasonable requests. This is where the bad reputation comes from.
I think every generation is mocked and infantilized by their older generations. I'm a Gen Xer and I remember everything about my world being put down by older people.
Millennials are currently 24-39 years old. This is more apt for Generation Z.
A millennial is someone who became an adult in the last 20 years. Gen Zs are kids.
The education thing is absolutely correct. I have a bachelor's degree and applied to get a job at my local state hospital and couldn't get the job. My mother said that the degree is probably the reason I didn't get the job because they don't know why someone with that level of education wants to work there. I have an answer for them: because it's a job and it pays well. However my local pizza place didn't think twice when I applied there. I got hired right away.
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The whole argument is sad. It's ALL about money, whichever perspective is expressed. Who cares! Life is not a race. And you don't have to see it as one. Meaning - who cares who thinks what. Let them moan! Play your own game. Be as successful and healthy or not as you wish - it's an INDIVIDUAL experience.
Yes, I agree that this is our struggle, but I am also tired of hearing people complain about it. Sure there are a lot of barriers in our way, and I may never own a home, but we have different strengths and resources that our parents never did. Frankly Millennial are adults now. We have to figure our shit out, even if it just means redefining success for ourselves.
A lot of them are not just complaining. They're getting active in politics. That's a good thing. It should have happened back it he Reagan days before deregulation went rampant. Why is Amazon as big as it was? You couldn't have monopolies when I was growing up. Heck, they split up Ma Bell & that was at least regulated more strictly since it was a utility. And now we pay less money for cell phones/mini-computers with unlimited long distance than we did for a landline. Thank competition.
The earth can't support humanity expanding even more, so not having kids/having kids later is NOT selfish. It's being environmentally responsible.
There is more to this story than the post. I know many Millenials who have a college degree who struggle to find a decent paying job. All of them, 100%, have a Bachelor's or Master's Degree in Communication or Art History or Sociology or similar. These degrees have never paid a decent salary... ever, even when Boomers were young. They chose these programs because they were easy to get a degree in compared to those that start out with excellent pay, such as Accounting, Mechanical/Electrical/Chemical Engineering and Risk Assessment/Actuary. These programs are more difficult but certainly not unattainable. On top of that, they go into deep debt because they want that major University experience instead of taking the bulk of their classes at a far less expensive fully accredited Junior College or Community College and transferring to the Major University. These are things I did while in college to keep my debt down and go for a degree that would pay me back on my investment quickly.
May I ask where you live? I know engineers in the UK, France and the Netherlands who struggled to find any kind of job. On the contrary, high-paying companies like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, the Big 3 (think: graduates on £55,000 pa) are mad about history, sociology and political science graduates.
This sounds like a bunch of whining and complaining by a generation that, for some reason, think they get paid less than I got paid straight out of school...which was, by the way, less than $30,000 in the NYC METRO AREA!!!!! They are not special and they are not the only people today struggling with finances, life and the concept of adulthood. The difference is they think they are owed these things by the world because they got a trophy for spitting up and peeing on the potty.
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I love how the author just can't see how they are the epitome of what they are complaining about. They are the entitled brat who thinks they should have it better than the previous generation just because they were born.
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GET THE FUCK OVER IT. Your 20's will be over in a blink of an eye and you can join the rest of us who don't give a flying fuck about your stupid ass whining.
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Wow, sounds like someone has some Daddy issues! I suggest a bigger allowance.
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Hahahahha. Louisa is absolutely the type of pussy the boomers accurately make fun of. Whining that "the old people have priced us out of the market". Wah. Yeah it's much more expensive now, but once you get in you make much more money off your house now. Just because the previous generation had it easier doesn't mean you can blame all your problems on them, snowflake. It's funny how millennials get so butthurt about being told they are too butthurt. Cracks me up.
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like millenial Don't treat boomers like shit. we can see that with the 'ok boomer' . i'm in the middle of that and i can see both treat others like shit but both have their flaws
Millennials were just returning the shade brought by Boomers. If Boomers didn't want to be critiqued they should have kept their mouths shut in the first place.
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#6 is the primary motivation for infantilizing generations. Gen X slackers faced the same thing. The whole system is rigged and TWO generations will not be as well off as the previous ones. However, the same previous generations have been saying, 'Stop whining and just be thankful you have a job', for like decades...
why be thankful if you cant afford to live on your own because that job doesnt pay enough
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So the solution is socialism? I DON'T THINK SO!
When you get run over by a car you'll be begging for socialism
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You know what makes you successful? Here are the 3 (non rocket science) factors: Knowing the job market. You will never make a decent living if you go into a field that is saturated already, you know why? Because you are easily replaceable. Although these jobs aren't "glamorous" or "hip" there still is plenty of need for plumbers, electricians, truck drivers etc - all make close to or over $100k a year. Second is putting in the work. You aren't going to land a management position paying $120k right off the bat (unless you decide to be a pharmacist which requires a doctorate, so again hard work). Lastly is money management. Live within your means! Skip that morning Latte, keep using your old, functioning IPhone. Those who blame previous generations or other people for their failures in life will always be failures.
Wow, thanks for assuming that we don't work hard and that you somehow know how I'm spending my money. Way off base.
Jay is spot on. I'm so fucking sick of whiny pussies not doing the things he talks about, yet complain constantly. I see them all the time. Time to grow up, people.
Most people who are struggling are already doing this. I'm not saying I know exactly what the problem is, but it sure as hell isn't any of what you're talking about.
Bob 2.0 what
Bob 2.0 no
Also, if we all took service jobs, who would be doing those other necessary jobs? You know, the ones that will eventually lead to management but don't currently pay a wage that allow me to buy a house?
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If you are working those jobs that dont pay you a wage to buy a house yet you are old enough to own a house, you arent working to your full potential... or even half potential. I bought my first house in Denver at at 24 years old because I knew that working the types of jobs you talk about is setting me up for long term paycheck to paycheck living.
Jay, you seem pretty oblivious with your comment about truck driving jobs. Automation and robot drivers are going to replace the entire driving industry in maybe less than a decade. Have you not heard anything about that? Robots are going to replace humans in many lines of work. That is why we may need something like universal basic income. One industry that they say won't be replaced by the robots is programmers (I guess the robots can't program themselves yet).
You seem pretty oblivious with your comment. Yes, it's true that jobs will disappear. But that's a normal. Tinkers don't exist anymore and you'll have a hard time finding a linotype operator. 30 years ago webdesigners didn't even exist. So robots replacing people to do boring, dangerous or straining jobs is fine, because they'll also create new jobs in maintenance, supervision and programming. And don't forget that when people have more free time they'll need something to entertain them, which creates new jobs.
@Everyone below this comment: I have a feeling you fail to understand how infrequently modern robotics equipment requires maintenance. It's not like the early 20th century where some guy needed to oil every moving part manually every day, bearings lasted 6 months, and everything needed daily inspection. You could do 100% of the maintenance on a fleet of a dozen robotic trucks with 2 or 3 people. All the moving parts are monitored by sensors inside the vehicle (just like your own car), and any maintenance issues are reported remotely, and scheduled to be handled without any inspectors at all. Also, once "programming" is complete, there's little else for a "programmer" to do in this situation. Take my own vehicle as an example. I've driven it 150k miles with no maintenance of ANY KIND other than oil changes and new tires. Go back 50 years and your car needed to visit a mechanic every 5k miles. How many maintenance jobs were lost there?
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What AlphaPuck said is true, in no way they can maintain a working robot that is outside a factory. The cost that it would make in maintenance and the people that works on it's programming would definitely be sky rocket of bills. Don't downvote the guy, as he is only saying the truth and I don't where did you get that information of yours Terd Fergison.
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Are these predictions by the same people that predicted we would be under water by 2020? You also with new robots are going to need people to maintain and program them. So we may lose some driving jobs but we will gain them back in the form of IT and techs. Dont be foolish and think that UBI works via VAT. Im from Germany and its a pyramid scheme.