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Philosophers and writers have long debated the roles people have played in influencing the progress of civilization. While Thomas Carlyle, for example, felt that great figures are key to guiding us forward, Leo Tolstoy, on the other hand, was of the belief that no individual can single-handedly steer the course of humanity, no matter what position they held.

Regardless of what the case might be, there are two kinds of people: those who are forgotten and those who live on in our collective memory. In an attempt to figure out if some of the latter are getting undeserved praise, Reddit user TGYHJDFGH made a post on the platform, asking everyone: "What beloved person in history should be hated?" and it was immediately flooded with answers.

But before you scroll down to check them out, I want to make things a little bit more interesting and/or complicated for you. Tell me, can we judge someone's morals after hundreds of years, when the entire cultural landscape has changed course? And where do we draw the line between what we can and cannot accept about someone's personal life if their work has transcended time and allowed countless people to find meaning?

I know, these are pretty tough questions. But humans are walking contradictions and it would be irresponsible to instantly dismiss the legacy of, say, the Founding Fathers or Mother Teresa.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Christopher columbus...didnt discover s**t and brought misery wherever he went.

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This needs to be higher. Columbus was THE WORST. Slavery, murder, torture, you name it.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Mother Theresa. My father was a taxi driver in Australia and one of his customers was a man who'd been raised in Mother Theresa's orphanage. He said she beat him terribly.

Another user also added: She was obsessed with preventing wartime sexual abuse victims from getting abortions.

Her order sold babies.

She buddied up to dictators and accepted stolen cash from them.

Collected millions in donations and never spent them on her "houses of the poor" which were vermin infested crapholes where people went to die.

Refused pain medication for the dying and ill because she believed suffering = being close to god.

Had nothing but top of the line medical care for herself.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Teresa was a horrible human being. She believed that only through pain you can reach Christ, so let the people suffer in her care. And it was backed by the Catholic Church so that she can convert as many people as possible to Christianity. And the Western world backed her with billions in donations. (Read 'Missionary Position' By Christopher Hitchens)

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Thomas Edison. I’ll never forgive him for what he did to Tesla.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He electrocuted an elephant to death to prove his point about AC/DC electricity and I will forever detest him for that.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Ronald Reagan - moved somewhere between 50-80 TRILLION from middle class to upper 1%. Ruined America!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Reagan is the reason why America is in such a mess right now. He was the original cult leader, before Trump took over the GOP.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Coco Chanel was a goddamn Nazi spy. Yes, she was an incredible designer, and she's probably one of the most influential humans of the 20th century, based on the number of people who have worn clothing directly inspired by her over the past 100 years. She really did change the way women dress in a truly radical way, and I respect that - knitwear, feminized menswear, ditching the corset, transforming black into an everyday color, the essential skirt suit, costume jewelry, synthetic fragrances in perfume, the list goes on.

But she was a goddamn Nazi spy. Coco was a wretched anti-Semite, like so many other members of the European elite during the 30s. She dated a number of staggeringly wealthy British aristocrats and they'd all sit around talking about the Protocols of Zion and s**t, trying to figure out whether any members of the royal family were secretly Jews, etc. When war broke out, the two Jewish brothers who ran her perfume empire (aka Chanel No 5, the best selling perfume in the world then and now) had to flee to the US for safety. How did Coco respond? By writing to the Nazis to ask them to transfer ownership over to her, a good Aryan, so she could make more money. But that's not the half of it.

She fell in love with a dashing German spy named "Spitz" who'd been seducing bluebloods all over France and England for years leading up the war. Coco was a useful woman - she was simply one of the richest women in the world, and she knew everyone in the British aristocracy, including her old hunting buddy and dear friend, Winston Churchill himself. She and Spitz socialized with all the biggest Nazi names in town, especially Otto Abetz, the Nazi ambassador to France, who invited them to every party in town. Spitz convinced her to join the Abwehr (aka the German secret service) and make trips to Spain. Operating under the code name "Westminster", she attempted to broker a "separate peace" between Germany and England. (In the meantime, she may or may not have reported at least one woman at the Hotel Ritz whom she suspected of being Jewish to the SS.) She had a grand old time going on her adventures, and wrote about the excitement of working for the Abwehr in her private notes.

Chanel was arrested only a few days after the liberation of Paris - absolutely everyone in town knew what she'd been doing and who she'd been doing it with - but for rEaSoNs UnKnOwN she was released without charges. It's widely believed that Winston Churchill personally intervened. It might be because the two of them had been close friends for decades. It might be because she was going to embarrass the s**t out of Britain by outing all the anti-Semites and pro-Nazis in the British aristocracy - including the recently abdicated Edward VIII who used his f***ng honeymoon as an excuse to tour Nazi Germany and shake Hitler's hand. She spent the rest of her life being a nasty, bitter morphine addict living in the Hotel Ritz. The House of Chanel has very, very little to say about the matter, and every few years a few more bits of damning evidence are declassified from the vaults.

If you want to learn more, I did a whole episode about her Nazi days in my French history podcast: "The Collaborator"

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Pablo Picasso, he was misogynistic and sexually assaulted women

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Gandhi. After learning all the colorist and racist s**t he would say to those who had darker complexion or those of African descent in my 8th grade year i haven’t seen him the same.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Bill Cosby. America's dad. Up until those allegations started

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

he had creepy eyes IMO even when I was little, and being little, I'd say "creeper eyes"...

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Woodrow Wilson.

Guy was majorly racist, segregated the military, kicked black people out of the government, he screened a KKK movie in the White House and was a strong defender of the KKK. Even for his time he was considered racist

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers PT BARNUM.

Most people know but due to the romanticization of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did an ungodly experiments on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them, and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i loved the greatest showman and i knew these things but i didn’t realize how the greatest showman was covering up the true stories of how shitty he was

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers John Lennon. Treated like s**t during his childhood, whinges about it his whole life, then does the exact same thing to his son Julian.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Elvis Presley. He groomed a then 14 year old and slept with her while he toured.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain.

He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The royal family have more secrets than the Vatican and are just as determined to hold onto the devotion, worship and wealth.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Steve Jobs. The way he treated his family is horrible.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Indeed. He was a miserable sonofabitch who used his skill to belittle, mock and humiliate actresses.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..

He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute.

In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly.

Sick f**k, who would do this to their own child.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Who would do this to their own child". In that era? Quite a few people, unfortunately. The lobotomy at that time was peddled as a "cure" ----- they truly didn't know better.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers 8000 comments so it might be here Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

John Wayne was definitely racist. Remember the playboy article where he said “I believe in white supremacy,” he said, and spoke harshly about African Americans, saying, “We can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks.” “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,” he said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. And Clint Eastwood talks to invisible people in chairs.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Einstein wasn’t a great guy. Brilliant, sure, but kinda douchy in his personal life.

He refused to marry his long time lover for years, even after she got pregnant. The child was assumed to be given up for adoption, but no record has ever been found.

He and his wife, Mileva Marić, worked together on their research. People saw them do it. They made jokes about it at parties. He proudly told people that she did all his calculations. They only put his name on their work and he went on to claim all the credit - ignoring any work she had done. Part of their agreement was that she would get the Nobel prize money but he tried to prevent that.

She raised two children - one schizophrenic - took care of the house and tutored to bring in extra money because he couldn’t get a job for a long time. He started getting more notoriety and then began an affair with his first cousin.

He moved to a different country to be with his new hillbilly mistress. He divorced his wife and quickly married the new, younger model. He had rules she had to abide by, such as leaving the room immediately when told and not expecting or asking for any sort of affection except when necessary for appearances sake.

Elsa, his second wife, was dying and he worked nonstop because he didn’t know what to do (I guess). She was basically abandoned her last few months.

He cheated on both his wives, numerous times. Ignored his children. Oh - and he was pretty into his second wife’s daughter and thought about marrying her instead.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

About the missing child, there is a series called The Missing By Marget Peterson Haddix, book fives discusses it

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress.

Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he tried to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People (men, or ok "not all men") still try to label women as crazy or mentally unfit to get what they want.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Joseph Smith-

I grew up LDS and left with my family when I was in junior high. After some reading and learning from historical documents without church bias, I realized how drastically different he was when he wasn’t viewed in the eyes of the church.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Joseph Smith...Big pimpin' (I saw that on a t-shirt that I regret not buying. 😭)

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From generations of experience, the Mormon church, Mormonism, all of it is a disgusting lie, and most of it all is just to cover up mediocre white men's desires to f*ck virgins, spread their seed, keep out others, and then be worshipped as gods themselves. It's the most sad, pathetic inept male fantasy that hundreds of stupid people back in the day, including my ancestors, fell for. There is nothing redeeming about Mormons/LDS.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Any "religion" or cult that takes many women and young girls as sex partners or "wives" is just a child and women abuse system. No exceptions. None.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. When you take it without the LDS lens, you realize that LDS members are taught to view him with unquestioning adoration. Eventually Smith's politics became "attack anyone outside our church before they attack us". For those wondering if they've encountered a Mormon? If you read Twilight? Its author is Mormon, and IIRC, practicing. Yep, sparkly vampires...

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Twilight is called "Mormon Abstinence Pr0n" for a reason, after all. Prized virginity? No sex until marriage, but marry at 18 instead of college/job/life and it's all twinkly-perfect? Have a baby that's already found a husband before it says its first word? "Imprinting"? Yeah, that's straight out of the Temple mentality.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think he built an entire religion around his pedophilia.

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K Wit
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most religions have been founded by a pedophile some were convicted pedophiles. I really can't think of any religion that wasn't founded by a man that wanted an excuse to have sex w children and physically abuse the women that carry their next conquest.

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Thomson StClair
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Hey guys, I started a new religion where God says I get to straight up f**k your wives and daughters. Who's on board with me?"

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Literally nothing and nobody in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does or has done that. Get a real argument, stop spreading lies.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So I have a mutual friend named Joseph Smith, and when I saw this post, I thought, like, a time traveler who knew him and wrote this and also thought LDS was LSD. I'm stupid lol.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hi, I'm Mormon and I agree that Joseph Smith was not the best guy. He practiced polygamy and probably did other stuff too. But I want to say that our religion isn't all bad. There is definitely some stuff I don't agree and there are a LOT of old white men running it and i'm even considering switching religions but there is also a lot of good stuff too. We donate a bunch of stuff to charity, a big part of our religion is helping people, and we are just trying to be our best selves. So it is ok if you guys don't agree with our religion but if you could please not say mean stuff like that it would be great because some of that stuff if really mean and you don't really know about our religion so don't assume you know everything about it. Thank you.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m a atheist and I donate a “ bunch of stuff” to charity and I give my time to helping people and I give money to causes that are not popular with mainstream society. I , an Atheist , do these things because it’s the right thing to do and Not because some fairy story person who lives in the clouds told me to. I know a lot of religious people cannot fathom the thought of not having “god” looking over their shoulder and guilting then into behaving like a good person should, but I know I don’t need any relationship with a mythological creature. I do “ good” because it’s the right thing to do and not because a bunch of old white men told me to.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mormonism wasn't even his first attempt at a religion. He had been run out of several towns for heresy. But something about them go then tablets in that green Angel made this one a go.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If y'all wanna hear a wild story about a Native American trafficked through the Mormon church and diver deeper into their b******t I highly recommend going to findingNikita.com Her story will blow your mind!!!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what is so beloved about this guy? I think he is a hippocryte and a creep.

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Marla Singer
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He was a total con man, the creation of the Mormon church just happening to be his most successful gambit.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How can u say that. He and his families live were constantly treated. He was feathers and tarred for his beliefs and then imprisoned and killed with his friends and brother. Why would anyone go through that. At any time he could of said it’s all a hoax but he didn’t.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Convicted as a con man-stole from his followers, colossal liar, sexual deviant, failed every test to prove what he was saying. And yet people raced to join his cult. Oops, sorry, that's Trump.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That group is like an Incel dream, the men can have multiple wives who must all be seen and not heard not to mention do all the work whilst the man pretends to be studying his "good book"(the dumbest term ever since there's nothing good about that book).

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have never been made to feel less than men in my church and I’ve held callings where what I say is what we do. Some people are jerks like everywhere else but it’s not common or true practice.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

HUH???? I though he was view by all but his followers as a Mad Man and immoral

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Bobbie Meyers
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Didn't this psycho hear from God in a hat....and people believed it?? You're all delusional!

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Martha
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have been finding out about what MONSTERS there are in the Mormon church from a friend who left. New movie about it I think called CHEWED GUM

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Linda Robinett
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He was a con man. When asked to reproduce destroyed parts of the Book of Mormon, he could not because there were no golden tablets to reference.

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Janet Crain
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He admitted to fraud and attempts to bamboozle the religious people of the day to get money. Not surprising, now, that the Mormon Church is now one of the richest in the world.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We humans want to believe so badly that we get destroyed when we find out that our saints were only humans.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was raised in a militantly Mormon family & community. There is more not said than what is actually going on. Give a man power & religion to hide behind & the devil has a hay day. - Not all Mormons are bad, like any group of people there are genuinely good people amongst the bad ones, but you have to admit, religion is all geared towards the subjugation of women so men can get away with horrific behavior & acts. As a woman, I escaped, & could never recommend organized religion to any woman. Ever. RUN! As far away as you can get!

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Laura Capshaw
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oy! Are you dissing the inventor of the special magic underwear? ;)

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BUMMERS
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A proven liar & con man, who failed tests to back up anything he said, & yet a huge number of people joined his cult. Oh wait, that's Trump.

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歌凛
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i assume LDS means latter day saints only after reading some of the comments. people, please stop using acronyms assuming everyone knows what they mean.

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TheLadyMagic
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Mormon religion says Jesus and Satan are brothers. Both sons of god but by different wives.

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Yukon Charlie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not true. We believe that God only had one wife, and that all his children came from that relationship. Please don't spread false information.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people here commenting about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are honestly dead wrong. The church has its whole history posted and reviewed. All of the facts are laid out in plain sight. You can research all of the archives that the world has about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and the rest of church history here. Literally any subject: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics?lang=eng There are pages and pages of "horrible" stuff that Joseph Smith Jr. Did on the internet from other sources that are all lies. Why? Because at the time 'Mormons' were persecuted and hunted down. All types of lies were invented, and all types of false information was brought up against him because the religious contempt was horrible at that time. The proof: Joseph Smith was arrested 42 times. Arrested and brought in for trial. He was ultimately found guilty: Zero times. doesn't that say something? Why dont you read the book of Mormon and then judge him?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have read the book of Mormon and it is something else. In a good way. Please read it, it's amazing.

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Yukon Charlie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is not true. He didn't send other men away to marry their wives. And in regards to the 14 year old wife, her father wanted to connect himself with the leaders of the church, so he took it into his own hands to marry his daughter to Joseph. They did not live together nor did they sleep together, and as one critic of Smith said "their relationship was spiritual in variety". Regardless of any of this, younger people married far older people during that time period. Some of the earliest age of consent laws came out in 1885, and they varied from age 10-12 depending on the state. So for his time period, it was quite progressive for Joseph to tell people to wait until they were 16 to have sexual relations with their spouses.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Him or Brigham Young? Have not read too deeply but there seems to be a big divergence in the organization with the change in leadership. Both were questionable but give "credit" to the right person.

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Larissa Herrboldt
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where is this information in the comments coming from? It all sounds extremely false.

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Aly
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish it was all false, but having grown up Mormon and done lots of research I can tell you this is true. If you want more info read the CES Letter, it has a website with all the references and quotes from church leaders

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Maxwell Mulcock
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've looked through all these comments and it seems that Mrs. Jan Glass has a lot of opinions but no sources to back them up.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maxwell, you are perfectly capable of going to a library, or looking up court cases, or even just talking to others. There are huge communities of ex-Mormons who will provide you with more information. There are plenty of sources. I have been doxxed by the Mormon church before, and there is no way I am giving you any information that will include my family's names/identifying information. You want sources? I mean it: go talk to ex-Mormons. Ask one or two questions. That's all you have to do. They will make sure you have documents, stories, books, histories, tax records, whatever you need. You won't, though, because you are afraid to question it.

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Nazda Pokmov
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He insisted it was perfectly fine to have a lot of wives.....

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Elijah Berhold
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We all live in a FREE country don't disrespect others religious belives

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bull. Religion in this country has taken away more rights than anything else. As long as Christians are going to call me a wh*re for having an abortion and tell LGBTQ+ citizens that they're going to burn in hell, I will disrespect their stupid, backward, idiotic beliefs until my dying day. To hell with religion.

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I don't understand why he would be on this list...even if he wasn't perfect, he didn't do anything bad enough to be included on this list.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Interesting that you don't think child rape, murder, and embezzlement is "bad enough." You might want to learn a little more about your buddy, hon. I know you won't, though, because religious people, especially Mormons, don't want to question their entire screwy belief system.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Churchill. He started the Bengal Famine which killed 3 million people. He also was incredibly racist and liked killing through gas.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Winston Churchill, a hero according to the UK & US. Churchill carried out a genocide in India (4+ million killed through deliberate famine). And Churchill believed that eugenics could solve race deterioration and reduce crime and poverty. US & UK were very much on the side of Hitler, until they realized that he posed a threat to their power on the global stage. That seems to be missing in the narrative of why WW2 started.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andrew Jackson.

He’s always presented as the “common man’s president” but he treated the Native American’s terribly . He also had a huge rowdy party and trashed the White House

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Travis Scott, still ain’t over what insane s**t he did

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Oliver Cromwell

Tried to make England a republic, ended up being a king in all but name. Butchered the Irish, banned Christmas and is partially responsible for the puritans (who fled to America after the monarchy was restarted)

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charlie Chaplin definitely. Dude groped/assaulted girls and married a woman 40 years younger than him

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First wife had (falsely) announced a pregnancy at 16, then they married, later divorced. Second wife announced pregnancy at 15, he married her, otherwise might have been prosecuted because she was a minor when she got pregnant. Also divorced. Marriage no. 3 was relatively unspectacular age wise (she was 21). Within and in between marriages multiple affairs. His last wife, Oona, was 18 when they married (he was 54). They stayed together until his death, had eight children. (All according to Wikipedia - not good, but I found no 40 year age gap).

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Benito Juárez

He was the type of president who kills his opposition instead of negotiating. He did a lot of illegal executions.

He was going to be executed in Guadalajara, however one of his ministers convinced the soldiers not to kill him with a famous phrase "alto, los valientes no asesinan", the soldiers forgave his life and risked theirs as the disobey an order. Well, as soon as Juarez returned to Mexico city, he immediately ordered to kill all of those soldiers with no mercy (source: my sister worked with the Sargent's descendant)

After Juárez's government, there's a period Known as the porfiriato, where Porfirio Díaz was Mexico's president for 30 years. It was possible just because there was no opposition alive

Juarez suddenly died in 1872 from a heart attack. It's believed that a woman, to avenge his husband, worked on his home as a maid, and when she had the opportunity, she put an infusion of "veintiunilla'" a herb known by the natives for being poisonous and cause a heart attack 21 days (veintiún dias) after it was drank

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. Not to mention he reformed the Mexican state by removing the church influence (which was not wrong) only to enrich himself and his family with all the resources confiscated. Also, he was indigenous but ashamed of it so he was extremely racist. If he hadn't died, he was ready to change the law to stay in power indefinitely.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser.

The book Edie is a great read, but sad.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Warhol wasn't great as a person, but I've done a little research into him. He was a complex person who suffered in some ways. He did horrible things, but he also served at his church's homeless shelter well into his later years. Derinitely suffered from trauma and possibly depression.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Dr Suess cheated on his partially disabled wife and she eventually committed suicide because of how distraught she was.

“I am too old and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you,”

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Kinda coming much more into light now but The Founding Fathers, all of them owned slaves and by modern day standards they would be horrible people. But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What history books didn't mention that fact? I learned that in the 1970s! And we had debates in Ethics class about this stuff....

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