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Someone Asked “What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?”, Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers
Philosophers and writers have long debated the roles people have played in influencing the progress of civilization. While Thomas Carlyle, for example, felt that great figures are key to guiding us forward, Leo Tolstoy, on the other hand, was of the belief that no individual can single-handedly steer the course of humanity, no matter what position they held.
Regardless of what the case might be, there are two kinds of people: those who are forgotten and those who live on in our collective memory. In an attempt to figure out if some of the latter are getting undeserved praise, Reddit user TGYHJDFGH made a post on the platform, asking everyone: "What beloved person in history should be hated?" and it was immediately flooded with answers.
But before you scroll down to check them out, I want to make things a little bit more interesting and/or complicated for you. Tell me, can we judge someone's morals after hundreds of years, when the entire cultural landscape has changed course? And where do we draw the line between what we can and cannot accept about someone's personal life if their work has transcended time and allowed countless people to find meaning?
I know, these are pretty tough questions. But humans are walking contradictions and it would be irresponsible to instantly dismiss the legacy of, say, the Founding Fathers or Mother Teresa.
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Christopher columbus...didnt discover s**t and brought misery wherever he went.
This needs to be higher. Columbus was THE WORST. Slavery, murder, torture, you name it.
Mother Theresa. My father was a taxi driver in Australia and one of his customers was a man who'd been raised in Mother Theresa's orphanage. He said she beat him terribly.
Another user also added: She was obsessed with preventing wartime sexual abuse victims from getting abortions.
Her order sold babies.
She buddied up to dictators and accepted stolen cash from them.
Collected millions in donations and never spent them on her "houses of the poor" which were vermin infested crapholes where people went to die.
Refused pain medication for the dying and ill because she believed suffering = being close to god.
Had nothing but top of the line medical care for herself.
Teresa was a horrible human being. She believed that only through pain you can reach Christ, so let the people suffer in her care. And it was backed by the Catholic Church so that she can convert as many people as possible to Christianity. And the Western world backed her with billions in donations. (Read 'Missionary Position' By Christopher Hitchens)
Thomas Edison. I’ll never forgive him for what he did to Tesla.
He electrocuted an elephant to death to prove his point about AC/DC electricity and I will forever detest him for that.
Ronald Reagan - moved somewhere between 50-80 TRILLION from middle class to upper 1%. Ruined America!
Coco Chanel was a goddamn Nazi spy. Yes, she was an incredible designer, and she's probably one of the most influential humans of the 20th century, based on the number of people who have worn clothing directly inspired by her over the past 100 years. She really did change the way women dress in a truly radical way, and I respect that - knitwear, feminized menswear, ditching the corset, transforming black into an everyday color, the essential skirt suit, costume jewelry, synthetic fragrances in perfume, the list goes on.
But she was a goddamn Nazi spy. Coco was a wretched anti-Semite, like so many other members of the European elite during the 30s. She dated a number of staggeringly wealthy British aristocrats and they'd all sit around talking about the Protocols of Zion and s**t, trying to figure out whether any members of the royal family were secretly Jews, etc. When war broke out, the two Jewish brothers who ran her perfume empire (aka Chanel No 5, the best selling perfume in the world then and now) had to flee to the US for safety. How did Coco respond? By writing to the Nazis to ask them to transfer ownership over to her, a good Aryan, so she could make more money. But that's not the half of it.
She fell in love with a dashing German spy named "Spitz" who'd been seducing bluebloods all over France and England for years leading up the war. Coco was a useful woman - she was simply one of the richest women in the world, and she knew everyone in the British aristocracy, including her old hunting buddy and dear friend, Winston Churchill himself. She and Spitz socialized with all the biggest Nazi names in town, especially Otto Abetz, the Nazi ambassador to France, who invited them to every party in town. Spitz convinced her to join the Abwehr (aka the German secret service) and make trips to Spain. Operating under the code name "Westminster", she attempted to broker a "separate peace" between Germany and England. (In the meantime, she may or may not have reported at least one woman at the Hotel Ritz whom she suspected of being Jewish to the SS.) She had a grand old time going on her adventures, and wrote about the excitement of working for the Abwehr in her private notes.
Chanel was arrested only a few days after the liberation of Paris - absolutely everyone in town knew what she'd been doing and who she'd been doing it with - but for rEaSoNs UnKnOwN she was released without charges. It's widely believed that Winston Churchill personally intervened. It might be because the two of them had been close friends for decades. It might be because she was going to embarrass the s**t out of Britain by outing all the anti-Semites and pro-Nazis in the British aristocracy - including the recently abdicated Edward VIII who used his f***ng honeymoon as an excuse to tour Nazi Germany and shake Hitler's hand. She spent the rest of her life being a nasty, bitter morphine addict living in the Hotel Ritz. The House of Chanel has very, very little to say about the matter, and every few years a few more bits of damning evidence are declassified from the vaults.
If you want to learn more, I did a whole episode about her Nazi days in my French history podcast: "The Collaborator"
Pablo Picasso, he was misogynistic and sexually assaulted women
Gandhi. After learning all the colorist and racist s**t he would say to those who had darker complexion or those of African descent in my 8th grade year i haven’t seen him the same.
Bill Cosby. America's dad. Up until those allegations started
he had creepy eyes IMO even when I was little, and being little, I'd say "creeper eyes"...
Woodrow Wilson.
Guy was majorly racist, segregated the military, kicked black people out of the government, he screened a KKK movie in the White House and was a strong defender of the KKK. Even for his time he was considered racist
PT BARNUM.
Most people know but due to the romanticization of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did an ungodly experiments on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them, and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.
John Lennon. Treated like s**t during his childhood, whinges about it his whole life, then does the exact same thing to his son Julian.
Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her
Elvis Presley. He groomed a then 14 year old and slept with her while he toured.
Actually Pedophiles are attracted to children that haven't gone through puberty yet. He just had a thing for teenagers.
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She was 14, he was 24. Priscilla herself said they would go upstairs & make out & other things but they never had sex (if you believe that) but she was 14 with a grown man. That’s not normal & Elvis fans need to stop coming up with excuses like it was a different time. No.
Then they married, she had a baby and Elvis lost all interest in her because she was a mother now.
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Very common though for the time and place. My grandfather was in his 50s when he married my 16 grandmother. One aunt married a guy in his 60s when she was a teen.
It's really only been in the last generation that we've expanded our understanding of adolescence beyond high school. Even in my generation, Gen X, I have a few classmates who married teachers. Of course, it was also a Christian high school, so grooming is pretty much baked in.
Load More Replies... I am SO GLAD people are finally talking about this. For decades, since I first read excerpts of Elvis and Me as a 14 year old myself, I knew this was completely effed up, and while Priscilla's parents are questionable AF, the cult of celebrity and yes-men around Elvis clearly demonstrates how if you're rich and famous, you can have whatever you want, whenever you want it, no matter who it hurts.
I hate when it’s brought up people from the era say, oh but it was different times and you just gave permission as a parent to let them take your 14 yr old daughter with him etc because he’s famous 😒
This is another example of "product of his time" is it creepy by today's standards? Absolutely. Was it commonplace for the era? Absolutely. It wasn't weird for college age guys to date high school age girls, nor was it that uncommon for 15/16/17 year olds to be married to someone 10 years their senior, with children up through the 1960's. Trying to vilify someone for something that was the social norm at the time, isn't really useful.
My Mom was 15 and my Dad was 21 when they got married in 1974
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If I remember correctly, he was 18 and stationed in germany when he met his future wife, when she was 14.
He was in his 20s. He registered at 18, but he was 21-22 when he was sent over, and 22-23 when he met 14-year-old Priscilla.
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I mean, the prophet Mohammad took a 9 year old wife, but people worship him.
The 14 years old was not other but Priscilla Presley and she mentions in her bio that they didn't have sex before they got married. Their daughter was born exactly 9 months after their wedding. Meanwhile he had other women and she was even angry about that but he didn't have sex with her. With a little bit of research you can easily find more info about this.
Also add Mick Jagger and David Bowie to the list of rock gods that really shouldn’t be. Both have a long history of this kind of thing, especially during the 1970s.
This was a product of the hippie era, and the idea that you should have sex/marry young, especially girls. It was part of the Vietnam thing, "You think we're old enough to die for our country, but we're not old enough to vote, drink, f*ck, get married, buy ___." Teens were seen as adults, and this is when the term "young adult" developed. So these teen girls were absolutely understood as women who could and did consent. It was about rights and personal freedoms. We have a better understanding of the mentalities of adolescence now, though, and brain development at this stage, so we can completely get that the power imbalances mean that actual consent was impossible, but we also can't redefine those experiences for the women who had them. Pamela Des Barres book is always a great read!
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I couldn't stand Him, his music, everything about him. I think he was the most overrated person in existence.
"Great Balls of Fire" guy (can't think of his name, Jerry Lee Lewis maybe?) not only groomed a young girl and married her, she was his cousin!
I never did like the greaser, and I didn't think he could sing. But what do I know?
Elvis was a complete hypocrite. He acted as the face of the president's anti-drug campaign, but was totally addicted to opiods and had a private doctor giving him an endless supply.
What 14-year-old girl wouldn't have slept with him at the time? In his day, it was common for girls to get married at 14 years of age, sometimes younger. Not taking up for the King, but that was they way the world was then.
He was also a career copier of other peoples music..Very little of what he did wasn't done by someone else first..so in a nutshell, your "king" was nothing but a cover artist..he had some looks and some talent, and that's what got him by. There were many more talented and more deserving than him. The idolization makes me sick. and to those who insist on thinking he was the purveyor of rock and roll was around long before he came around and it did very well without his dumb a** hangin' around.
Name an Artist from that time who wasn't copying someone else. Music was passed around back then. It wasn't like today. Everyone was recording over popular tunes with their own lyrics. It was a time before copywriting and almost everyone was okay with it. You literally don't have a clue as to what you're even saying. Bands that also copied tunes: Almost every country singer from the 40's. Almost every Blues singer from the 40's, The Beatles, Johnny Cash, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Devin Townsend, Every Reggae Band in existence, Ect.... Everything has been done. Literally. The 40's were a different time and you're just Ignorant. I don't condone Presley for anything, I just don't agree with your idiotic statement at all.
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Back then it was normal. Plenty of songs about it. Not say it’s right but they were also extremely racist.
So did the lead singer from Aerosmith who convinced the mother to sign over parental rights to him.
What about Paul Walker? Almost scared to ask....
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He was a Hillbilly, and 14 is the age of consent there I understand. Can marry too,
It's insulting to his wife Priscilla to say groomed, like she didn';t have a brain.
Grooming doesn't mean someone doesn't have a brain. It means someone doesn't have a choice.
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I'd read somewhere that he also liked to host slumber parties with teenage girls. Dude seemingly never got past the age of 13 🤦🏻♀️
Yeah, he was just a performer and never claimed to be anything more. Why is that considered bad, particularly in the face of the above.
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Also Elvis Presley stole Rock and Roll from a Black musician who created it by the name of Muddy Waters. Waters was on his way to try and be famous and make Rock and Roll the new thing but Presley stole his music during a taxi drive and beat him to Hollywood performed the genfd and called it his own. No credit was given to Waters to this day.
Big Mamma Thornton, a rock and roller before him. I hope I spelled her name correctly.
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King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain.
He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.
Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren
Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..
He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute.
In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly.
Sick f**k, who would do this to their own child.
"Who would do this to their own child". In that era? Quite a few people, unfortunately. The lobotomy at that time was peddled as a "cure" ----- they truly didn't know better.
8000 comments so it might be here Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.
John Wayne was definitely racist. Remember the playboy article where he said “I believe in white supremacy,” he said, and spoke harshly about African Americans, saying, “We can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks.” “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,” he said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. And Clint Eastwood talks to invisible people in chairs.
Einstein wasn’t a great guy. Brilliant, sure, but kinda douchy in his personal life.
He refused to marry his long time lover for years, even after she got pregnant. The child was assumed to be given up for adoption, but no record has ever been found.
He and his wife, Mileva Marić, worked together on their research. People saw them do it. They made jokes about it at parties. He proudly told people that she did all his calculations. They only put his name on their work and he went on to claim all the credit - ignoring any work she had done. Part of their agreement was that she would get the Nobel prize money but he tried to prevent that.
She raised two children - one schizophrenic - took care of the house and tutored to bring in extra money because he couldn’t get a job for a long time. He started getting more notoriety and then began an affair with his first cousin.
He moved to a different country to be with his new hillbilly mistress. He divorced his wife and quickly married the new, younger model. He had rules she had to abide by, such as leaving the room immediately when told and not expecting or asking for any sort of affection except when necessary for appearances sake.
Elsa, his second wife, was dying and he worked nonstop because he didn’t know what to do (I guess). She was basically abandoned her last few months.
He cheated on both his wives, numerous times. Ignored his children. Oh - and he was pretty into his second wife’s daughter and thought about marrying her instead.
About the missing child, there is a series called The Missing By Marget Peterson Haddix, book fives discusses it
Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress.
Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he tried to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad
People (men, or ok "not all men") still try to label women as crazy or mentally unfit to get what they want.
Joseph Smith-
I grew up LDS and left with my family when I was in junior high. After some reading and learning from historical documents without church bias, I realized how drastically different he was when he wasn’t viewed in the eyes of the church.
Joseph Smith...Big pimpin' (I saw that on a t-shirt that I regret not buying. 😭)
Churchill. He started the Bengal Famine which killed 3 million people. He also was incredibly racist and liked killing through gas.
Winston Churchill, a hero according to the UK & US. Churchill carried out a genocide in India (4+ million killed through deliberate famine). And Churchill believed that eugenics could solve race deterioration and reduce crime and poverty. US & UK were very much on the side of Hitler, until they realized that he posed a threat to their power on the global stage. That seems to be missing in the narrative of why WW2 started.
Andrew Jackson.
He’s always presented as the “common man’s president” but he treated the Native American’s terribly . He also had a huge rowdy party and trashed the White House
Oliver Cromwell
Tried to make England a republic, ended up being a king in all but name. Butchered the Irish, banned Christmas and is partially responsible for the puritans (who fled to America after the monarchy was restarted)
Charlie Chaplin definitely. Dude groped/assaulted girls and married a woman 40 years younger than him
First wife had (falsely) announced a pregnancy at 16, then they married, later divorced. Second wife announced pregnancy at 15, he married her, otherwise might have been prosecuted because she was a minor when she got pregnant. Also divorced. Marriage no. 3 was relatively unspectacular age wise (she was 21). Within and in between marriages multiple affairs. His last wife, Oona, was 18 when they married (he was 54). They stayed together until his death, had eight children. (All according to Wikipedia - not good, but I found no 40 year age gap).
Benito Juárez
He was the type of president who kills his opposition instead of negotiating. He did a lot of illegal executions.
He was going to be executed in Guadalajara, however one of his ministers convinced the soldiers not to kill him with a famous phrase "alto, los valientes no asesinan", the soldiers forgave his life and risked theirs as the disobey an order. Well, as soon as Juarez returned to Mexico city, he immediately ordered to kill all of those soldiers with no mercy (source: my sister worked with the Sargent's descendant)
After Juárez's government, there's a period Known as the porfiriato, where Porfirio Díaz was Mexico's president for 30 years. It was possible just because there was no opposition alive
Juarez suddenly died in 1872 from a heart attack. It's believed that a woman, to avenge his husband, worked on his home as a maid, and when she had the opportunity, she put an infusion of "veintiunilla'" a herb known by the natives for being poisonous and cause a heart attack 21 days (veintiún dias) after it was drank
This. Not to mention he reformed the Mexican state by removing the church influence (which was not wrong) only to enrich himself and his family with all the resources confiscated. Also, he was indigenous but ashamed of it so he was extremely racist. If he hadn't died, he was ready to change the law to stay in power indefinitely.
Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser.
The book Edie is a great read, but sad.
Warhol wasn't great as a person, but I've done a little research into him. He was a complex person who suffered in some ways. He did horrible things, but he also served at his church's homeless shelter well into his later years. Derinitely suffered from trauma and possibly depression.
Dr Suess cheated on his partially disabled wife and she eventually committed suicide because of how distraught she was.
“I am too old and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you,”
Kinda coming much more into light now but The Founding Fathers, all of them owned slaves and by modern day standards they would be horrible people. But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time.
What history books didn't mention that fact? I learned that in the 1970s! And we had debates in Ethics class about this stuff....
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I really dislike the impulse to classify people as 100% good or 100% bad. Humans are flawed. Just because some of their actions were contemptible (by todays standards) doesn't mean their accomplishments should be erased from history. Just because they accomplished great things doesn't mean that their misdeeds should be brushed under the carpet.
Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.
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Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke
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Elon Musk should be top of this list. Donald Trump, too. And for all that "Foundation" stuff, I've heard Bill Gates is a real..... But they're all idolized by many. To the devotees of Elon, please bear in mind we're not all Elonites, and can state our opinions without it rending the fabric of time-space to shreds :-)
But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.
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The problem with some of these is that people often do both good and bad things with their lives. Same with each of us, many of us have done bad things. Different shades of grey. Without a doubt, most of the peeps in this list are darker shades of grey, don’t get me wrong! But if we discredit anything someone does because of something bad they’ve done, well, there’d be no good person list. Lennon for example…surely a d*^k, but we also can’t discredit the impact he’s had on music. I feel it’s ok to recognize both the good and bad a person’s done, and to not ignore either.
It's gone now, but that John Wayne one was a crazy night. It was the Oscars and Marlon Brando was awarded something. But he sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline and instead read a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native American culture and history. Wayne was certainly a piece of work in is own right, and went to pull her off stage but was restrained by a bunch of people so never actually laid a hand on her. It was quite the scandal and nothing since has really compared to the impact of that night.
There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?
Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.
Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.
Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/
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Surprised at how far I had to scroll to see his name come up! A horrible racist who even ensured that his racist movies could not be remade
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Comments about racism for most of these people seems a little thoughtless. Is racism bad? Of course. However, all of the people are products of their time period and judging them based on values of the currently evolved societal values is not logical or fair
Exactly. If you're raised in a racist community, you will become racist too. It's hard to break this circle
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Some of these I don't think should be on this list. Others definitely should though. I kind of think some people are getting false information for a couple of them. Just be sure to do your research people, before idolizing or hating. And remember that we are all humans that are victim to our time of living! Such as slavery and racism. It is absolutely not okay, but in their time, it was not widely understood.
Every-one have a right to their opinion,right or wrong,reserched or not...like Cnn and Fox-news...all I know is that a friend of mine,English.worked as a voluntary for Mother Theresa in Calcutta for two years in the end 60ties....never saw or talked of abuse...she did become a vegetarian,saying having seen so many open wounds put her off meat...can well believe it.. India is not known for their compassion with the plight of poor people and Mother theresa was the first to take in the lowest of the lowest to better their lives....If it went to her head later in life,who knows?? power corrupts...
I have mixed feelings about some individuals on this list. Humans are human. If you dig deep enough into any individual, you’ll find something dark. However, I have less respect for individuals that acted on those dark thoughts in a way that affected others negatively.
So much of what men in positions of control and dominance (I refuse to keep misusing the word - power) did is only now being fully questioned. So yes, all those from the past might have done good deeds in their professions, but personal lives were horrifically flawed due to emotional immaturity as we see today, the cause and root of all our woes. Humanity needs a wake up call to all the still engaged immaturity actions in order to correct the issues we are still dealing with from all the fallout of that emotional irresponsibility.
I would hazard a guess that, if you ALL looked back far enough in your own family trees, you'd be surprised at some of the evil shite that you'd find there. Are some of these people evil? Certainly, without a doubt... but the majority of these posts are of long dead people, and in every case, only one side of the story is told. There are THREE sides to every story... what "party A" said, what "party B" said, and what REALLY happened. Not ONE single, reliable source has been included in these posts to prove what the poster has stated. "Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones". I do not condone the actions of anyone mentioned in these posts, and I despise evil in all its forms, but I can pretty much guarantee that there isn't a single person posting in this article, whose family tree does not have some evil roots somewhere down the line. NONE of us are perfect.
All people are flawed and make mistakes, because they are people, hopefully so we or others can learn from them. They behaviour was related to the time they lived in; to write a character assassination of people who have done great things that have benefited the world is just distasteful, woke, cancel culture snowflake b******t, even though they may have done horrible things, haven’t we all. Im not sure anyone of us should judge.
Nature is cruel and makes many people have troublesome urges. Yet there are still plenty of people who think whatever is natural is good. No surprise people used to be cruel through most of the history, especially as the urges of those in power were normalized.
I don't understand how Rhodes, of "The Rhodes Scholar" fame, didn't make the list.
Michelangelo! He was run out of multiple towns, he was repeatedly suspected of pedo crimes against his young models. The Catholic Church in part helped him stay ahead of the claims, and paid him to continue the abuse under the guise of “art.”
Too often “genius” comes with an enormous slice of poor character. This just substantiates it.
Lol. Weird use of the word "genius" when I look at list above. Scientifically I can only see 1 on the list (though the list partially debunks that claim...)
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Anybody who likes this kind of stuff should check out the podcast "Evil Genius" by Russell Kane, which essentially puts a comedy spin on this. Though hosted and panelled by comedians, it is genuinely thought provoking and there's several people featured on the show with whom my perception has been significantly altered.
After all they were human beings. The way these persons were brought up and the prevailing social norms decided their personality & behaviour. Moreover common man always try to find lacuna among stalwarts. Karamchand Gandhi doesn’t deserve Mahatma title nor Mother Teressa a Noble prize or sainthood. ( Without any prejudice, they had immense good qualities, but their dark secrets never come in limelight)
I agree with many of these, but a lot of them are "Heroes always have feet of clay" kinds of things. Show me any person who has done great work in the world and it's likely you will find other things they've done that are horrible. Maybe don't worship people no matter what good things they've done. A few of these were people who behaved exactly as was expected of them culturally at the time. That doesn't make it okay, but it does mean that we are not in a position to judge. I guarantee that 100 years from now some of our greatest figures will turn out to have had some pretty horrible skeletons in their closets.
There's some real propaganda believers in some of these incomplete bios.
Where much is given, much is taken away. You really shouldn't ever meet people who achieve greatness; they're always deeply flawed and missing other areas.
Stauffenberg. Everybody remembers the attempted assassination of Hitler. Nobody remembers the fact he was just as much of a nationalist antisemite.
really disappointing to see bored panda promoting 'hate'. there is no such thing as a perfect human being. no one's life should be dismissed, nor should someone be hated, simply because they were, as all of us are, flawed human beings.
We just need to accept that men before a certain time, did not think of women as human beings. Many still don't. In the mind of these men, women, POCs, handicapped people are all inferior creatures - something akin to trained monkey - and treated as such.
This is such black and white thinking. And not everyone is racist lol good grief guys
I miss Martin Luther here. He, basically, wrote all the jew-related parts of "Mein Kampf" 500 ears before, Mr. Hitler just had to copy them. More than once, he did so word for word, and still, Luther is seen as that liberator of europe. He never was. Other Theologians of his time were disgusted about his antijudaism and how he'd like it executed.
Those that scream the loudest for extreme measures, will be those that the future will show to have been doing horrible things. The only difference is that while just until the recent past any spoken or written word disapeared into nothingness quite quickly and tge vast majority of the population of bad people was never punished for their actions and words. This will be different in the future. Both, extreme left and right sentiments will be punished in the future. And only people using their brain will make the cut in the long run. This, or society collapses.
Ah, and all people are pretty or horrendously horrible by todays standard. Some by the standard the time they lived. But depending on how history plays out, it differs. One example: if a rightful heir to tge zarist throne would exist, and would help the West to overthrow Putin, but wanted to establish a different form of russia, we would celebrate, even if it came at a horrible price. If Putin wins and gradually establishes a new Worldorder, ppl would be brainwashed, and sing Songs about defending Putin. And hate the evil heir, and the West. If you believe that you were not brainwashed, you err. Everybody is. The crux is to use your brain, to inform yourself, and to think. But don't follow Conspiracies. Find your own path.
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How about Frank Lloyd Wright who left his wife with six children, defaulted on child support, and lived a luxurious life style? FLW treated his married mistress to a life of extended travels to Japan and Europe. She also had to worry, though, about how he never paid his bills and had to skirt these issues with him, as well as some trust issues. Women were very attracted to him because of his fame as an architect and high living. He moved her up to his home, Taliesen, in Spring Green, Wisconsin, leaving her alone to manage their workers while he commuted back and forth to Oak Park and Chicago, where he worked for the Century of Progress World’s Fair prior to its opening. This ultimately led to her gruesome death and those of her two children. He had sent her a Barbadosian couple as servants to help out.Unfortunately, they were not emotionally stable, and caused a grisly death scene of fire and machete. Frank grieved for a short time, then went on to several more mistresses and wives.
I didn't know about many details, but in general, I don't tend to like historical figures, precisely because I really ignore what they really were like. As some people said, history is written by the winners, and though not everything is about wars, in general obviously most of what we know about these figures is basically hearsay. Heck, even people that is alive today or that you got to know in your lifetime, you don't really get to know them personally, but at least you have a closer idea than someone that has been dead for decades. Personally, other than Britney Spears I've never idolized anyone, and even I recognize her defects.
All these posts neglect that people do bad things, atrocious things at times, because we all fail to be perfect. Yet even with the flaws in their character, many people still contribute to society thru their creativity and innovation, which does not negate their bad behavior, if true, but also does not negate what they contributed.
If anybody would ever take the time to actually read the Bible instead of just bashing it it clearly tells us in the book of Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in nobles. Nor in the son of earthly man to whom no salvation belongs. Cant put it any clearer.
Not everyone believes in your Bible so your point doesn't stand. I've read the Bible I'm a recovering Catholic it furthered my justification in atheism.
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Honestly..... Are we even surprised at this? Humans are awful creatures. Higher intelligence does not make for a better species. We all suck.
sooooo humans being (bad) humans. Just cuz they are famous doesn't make any of them good.
So basically humans suck and nothing has changed since the beginning of time.
Well we now have about 1-5% of the worlds population that is no longer enslaved. Technically that's a big increase from a thousand years ago. Wonder if it's a linear adoption curve or....
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David Bowie ... he slept with and dated a 13-14 year old, who he cheated on with several men and women.
Steve Tyler of Aerosmith groomed a 14 yr old got her parents to sign rights over to him so he could adopt her then moved her into his home got her pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.
Load More Replies... Basically none of these are beloved. Most of them achieved some kind of widespread good, we celebrate that part, we don't really celebrate any of them as a person.
If being literally considered a saint is not celebrating someone as a person, then I don't know what is.
Load More Replies... Please add Margret Mead, Ayn Rand, Margret Thatcher, Joan Crawford, and Pope John Paul 2.
What did Margaret Mead do that was wrong, out of curiosity? I've studied her in a couple classes and we've not really been told anything bad about her.
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To all the people actively contributing to hate - I recommend the photo of a mirror as the number 1 post. Like so many of us are loveable saints... 🙄
I doubt that many of the commenters are widely beloved/idolised and, from the other side, sold children, enslaved people etc.
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Enid Blyton. the British children's Author famous for The Famous Five, The Secret Seven, Mallory Towers, Noddy, Mr. Galliano's Circus and The Faraway Tree etc. She was a prolific writer' but a horrible person. She had a series of affairs, including a lesbian relationship with one of the children's nannies. In 1941, Blyton met Kenneth Fraser Darrell Waters, a London surgeon with whom she began a serious affair. Pollock discovered the liaison, and threatened to initiate divorce proceedings. Due to fears that exposure of her adultery would ruin her public image, it was ultimately agreed that Blyton would instead file for divorce against her husband Major Hugh Alexander Pollock Blyton promised that if he admitted to infidelity, she would allow him parental access to their daughters; but after the divorce, he was denied contact with them, and Blyton made sure he was subsequently unable to find work in publishing. Pollock, having married Crowe on 26 October 1943, eventually resumed his heavy drinking and was forced to petition for bankruptcy in 1950.
All this "reimagining" of historic figures and events reeks of its own racism. I'll no longer be following your page. The cism and slavery that occured in America, more than 200 years ago, does not justify anyone being racist now. The focus on American slavery highlights how little black Americans know about the history of slavery in general. Look up the tomb of Ramesses III, it was built thousands of years before American slavery existed and one of the first things you will notice on the left wall near the entrance is a scene of DISTINCTLY African slaves engraved into it. (You can explore the burial site yourself on the Matterport website, it's free and doesn't require registration) my point is so much blame is put on America's past that black American's aren't learning about other important times in history. Depriving them of the knowledge of their past, especially in their native homeland, is a negative for everyone. I hope you guys check out the tomb in Egypt, it is truly amazing.
Well, it's abote people who are generally beloved, so the number of communists is bound to be small
Load More Replies... This rant is nonsensical. Idk what you're trying to achieve. Most of these people should've been in prison. Yeah some are being outed as liar cheaters bad parents so what? We can all make up our minds about that as well. Why are you so against the truth? It's not judgment when it's a factual statement. I can forgive or understand when people make mistakes I've made mistakes I've hurt people I've also taken responsibility and I also know I can't force anyone to accept my apology and will forever be not liked by someone. However I can't forgive rapists or pedophiles I don't have it in me.
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I really dislike the impulse to classify people as 100% good or 100% bad. Humans are flawed. Just because some of their actions were contemptible (by todays standards) doesn't mean their accomplishments should be erased from history. Just because they accomplished great things doesn't mean that their misdeeds should be brushed under the carpet.
Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.
Load More Replies... Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke
Load More Replies... Elon Musk should be top of this list. Donald Trump, too. And for all that "Foundation" stuff, I've heard Bill Gates is a real..... But they're all idolized by many. To the devotees of Elon, please bear in mind we're not all Elonites, and can state our opinions without it rending the fabric of time-space to shreds :-)
But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.
Load More Replies... The problem with some of these is that people often do both good and bad things with their lives. Same with each of us, many of us have done bad things. Different shades of grey. Without a doubt, most of the peeps in this list are darker shades of grey, don’t get me wrong! But if we discredit anything someone does because of something bad they’ve done, well, there’d be no good person list. Lennon for example…surely a d*^k, but we also can’t discredit the impact he’s had on music. I feel it’s ok to recognize both the good and bad a person’s done, and to not ignore either.
It's gone now, but that John Wayne one was a crazy night. It was the Oscars and Marlon Brando was awarded something. But he sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline and instead read a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native American culture and history. Wayne was certainly a piece of work in is own right, and went to pull her off stage but was restrained by a bunch of people so never actually laid a hand on her. It was quite the scandal and nothing since has really compared to the impact of that night.
There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?
Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.
Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.
Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/
Load More Replies... Surprised at how far I had to scroll to see his name come up! A horrible racist who even ensured that his racist movies could not be remade
Load More Replies... Comments about racism for most of these people seems a little thoughtless. Is racism bad? Of course. However, all of the people are products of their time period and judging them based on values of the currently evolved societal values is not logical or fair
Exactly. If you're raised in a racist community, you will become racist too. It's hard to break this circle
Load More Replies... Some of these I don't think should be on this list. Others definitely should though. I kind of think some people are getting false information for a couple of them. Just be sure to do your research people, before idolizing or hating. And remember that we are all humans that are victim to our time of living! Such as slavery and racism. It is absolutely not okay, but in their time, it was not widely understood.
Every-one have a right to their opinion,right or wrong,reserched or not...like Cnn and Fox-news...all I know is that a friend of mine,English.worked as a voluntary for Mother Theresa in Calcutta for two years in the end 60ties....never saw or talked of abuse...she did become a vegetarian,saying having seen so many open wounds put her off meat...can well believe it.. India is not known for their compassion with the plight of poor people and Mother theresa was the first to take in the lowest of the lowest to better their lives....If it went to her head later in life,who knows?? power corrupts...
I have mixed feelings about some individuals on this list. Humans are human. If you dig deep enough into any individual, you’ll find something dark. However, I have less respect for individuals that acted on those dark thoughts in a way that affected others negatively.
So much of what men in positions of control and dominance (I refuse to keep misusing the word - power) did is only now being fully questioned. So yes, all those from the past might have done good deeds in their professions, but personal lives were horrifically flawed due to emotional immaturity as we see today, the cause and root of all our woes. Humanity needs a wake up call to all the still engaged immaturity actions in order to correct the issues we are still dealing with from all the fallout of that emotional irresponsibility.
I would hazard a guess that, if you ALL looked back far enough in your own family trees, you'd be surprised at some of the evil shite that you'd find there. Are some of these people evil? Certainly, without a doubt... but the majority of these posts are of long dead people, and in every case, only one side of the story is told. There are THREE sides to every story... what "party A" said, what "party B" said, and what REALLY happened. Not ONE single, reliable source has been included in these posts to prove what the poster has stated. "Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones". I do not condone the actions of anyone mentioned in these posts, and I despise evil in all its forms, but I can pretty much guarantee that there isn't a single person posting in this article, whose family tree does not have some evil roots somewhere down the line. NONE of us are perfect.
All people are flawed and make mistakes, because they are people, hopefully so we or others can learn from them. They behaviour was related to the time they lived in; to write a character assassination of people who have done great things that have benefited the world is just distasteful, woke, cancel culture snowflake b******t, even though they may have done horrible things, haven’t we all. Im not sure anyone of us should judge.
Nature is cruel and makes many people have troublesome urges. Yet there are still plenty of people who think whatever is natural is good. No surprise people used to be cruel through most of the history, especially as the urges of those in power were normalized.
I don't understand how Rhodes, of "The Rhodes Scholar" fame, didn't make the list.
Michelangelo! He was run out of multiple towns, he was repeatedly suspected of pedo crimes against his young models. The Catholic Church in part helped him stay ahead of the claims, and paid him to continue the abuse under the guise of “art.”
Too often “genius” comes with an enormous slice of poor character. This just substantiates it.
Lol. Weird use of the word "genius" when I look at list above. Scientifically I can only see 1 on the list (though the list partially debunks that claim...)
Load More Replies... Anybody who likes this kind of stuff should check out the podcast "Evil Genius" by Russell Kane, which essentially puts a comedy spin on this. Though hosted and panelled by comedians, it is genuinely thought provoking and there's several people featured on the show with whom my perception has been significantly altered.
After all they were human beings. The way these persons were brought up and the prevailing social norms decided their personality & behaviour. Moreover common man always try to find lacuna among stalwarts. Karamchand Gandhi doesn’t deserve Mahatma title nor Mother Teressa a Noble prize or sainthood. ( Without any prejudice, they had immense good qualities, but their dark secrets never come in limelight)
I agree with many of these, but a lot of them are "Heroes always have feet of clay" kinds of things. Show me any person who has done great work in the world and it's likely you will find other things they've done that are horrible. Maybe don't worship people no matter what good things they've done. A few of these were people who behaved exactly as was expected of them culturally at the time. That doesn't make it okay, but it does mean that we are not in a position to judge. I guarantee that 100 years from now some of our greatest figures will turn out to have had some pretty horrible skeletons in their closets.
There's some real propaganda believers in some of these incomplete bios.
Where much is given, much is taken away. You really shouldn't ever meet people who achieve greatness; they're always deeply flawed and missing other areas.
Stauffenberg. Everybody remembers the attempted assassination of Hitler. Nobody remembers the fact he was just as much of a nationalist antisemite.
really disappointing to see bored panda promoting 'hate'. there is no such thing as a perfect human being. no one's life should be dismissed, nor should someone be hated, simply because they were, as all of us are, flawed human beings.
We just need to accept that men before a certain time, did not think of women as human beings. Many still don't. In the mind of these men, women, POCs, handicapped people are all inferior creatures - something akin to trained monkey - and treated as such.
This is such black and white thinking. And not everyone is racist lol good grief guys
I miss Martin Luther here. He, basically, wrote all the jew-related parts of "Mein Kampf" 500 ears before, Mr. Hitler just had to copy them. More than once, he did so word for word, and still, Luther is seen as that liberator of europe. He never was. Other Theologians of his time were disgusted about his antijudaism and how he'd like it executed.
Those that scream the loudest for extreme measures, will be those that the future will show to have been doing horrible things. The only difference is that while just until the recent past any spoken or written word disapeared into nothingness quite quickly and tge vast majority of the population of bad people was never punished for their actions and words. This will be different in the future. Both, extreme left and right sentiments will be punished in the future. And only people using their brain will make the cut in the long run. This, or society collapses.
Ah, and all people are pretty or horrendously horrible by todays standard. Some by the standard the time they lived. But depending on how history plays out, it differs. One example: if a rightful heir to tge zarist throne would exist, and would help the West to overthrow Putin, but wanted to establish a different form of russia, we would celebrate, even if it came at a horrible price. If Putin wins and gradually establishes a new Worldorder, ppl would be brainwashed, and sing Songs about defending Putin. And hate the evil heir, and the West. If you believe that you were not brainwashed, you err. Everybody is. The crux is to use your brain, to inform yourself, and to think. But don't follow Conspiracies. Find your own path.
Load More Replies... How about Frank Lloyd Wright who left his wife with six children, defaulted on child support, and lived a luxurious life style? FLW treated his married mistress to a life of extended travels to Japan and Europe. She also had to worry, though, about how he never paid his bills and had to skirt these issues with him, as well as some trust issues. Women were very attracted to him because of his fame as an architect and high living. He moved her up to his home, Taliesen, in Spring Green, Wisconsin, leaving her alone to manage their workers while he commuted back and forth to Oak Park and Chicago, where he worked for the Century of Progress World’s Fair prior to its opening. This ultimately led to her gruesome death and those of her two children. He had sent her a Barbadosian couple as servants to help out.Unfortunately, they were not emotionally stable, and caused a grisly death scene of fire and machete. Frank grieved for a short time, then went on to several more mistresses and wives.
I didn't know about many details, but in general, I don't tend to like historical figures, precisely because I really ignore what they really were like. As some people said, history is written by the winners, and though not everything is about wars, in general obviously most of what we know about these figures is basically hearsay. Heck, even people that is alive today or that you got to know in your lifetime, you don't really get to know them personally, but at least you have a closer idea than someone that has been dead for decades. Personally, other than Britney Spears I've never idolized anyone, and even I recognize her defects.
All these posts neglect that people do bad things, atrocious things at times, because we all fail to be perfect. Yet even with the flaws in their character, many people still contribute to society thru their creativity and innovation, which does not negate their bad behavior, if true, but also does not negate what they contributed.
If anybody would ever take the time to actually read the Bible instead of just bashing it it clearly tells us in the book of Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in nobles. Nor in the son of earthly man to whom no salvation belongs. Cant put it any clearer.
Not everyone believes in your Bible so your point doesn't stand. I've read the Bible I'm a recovering Catholic it furthered my justification in atheism.
Load More Replies... Honestly..... Are we even surprised at this? Humans are awful creatures. Higher intelligence does not make for a better species. We all suck.
sooooo humans being (bad) humans. Just cuz they are famous doesn't make any of them good.
So basically humans suck and nothing has changed since the beginning of time.
Well we now have about 1-5% of the worlds population that is no longer enslaved. Technically that's a big increase from a thousand years ago. Wonder if it's a linear adoption curve or....
Load More Replies... David Bowie ... he slept with and dated a 13-14 year old, who he cheated on with several men and women.
Steve Tyler of Aerosmith groomed a 14 yr old got her parents to sign rights over to him so he could adopt her then moved her into his home got her pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.
Load More Replies... Basically none of these are beloved. Most of them achieved some kind of widespread good, we celebrate that part, we don't really celebrate any of them as a person.
If being literally considered a saint is not celebrating someone as a person, then I don't know what is.
Load More Replies... Please add Margret Mead, Ayn Rand, Margret Thatcher, Joan Crawford, and Pope John Paul 2.
What did Margaret Mead do that was wrong, out of curiosity? I've studied her in a couple classes and we've not really been told anything bad about her.
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To all the people actively contributing to hate - I recommend the photo of a mirror as the number 1 post. Like so many of us are loveable saints... 🙄
I doubt that many of the commenters are widely beloved/idolised and, from the other side, sold children, enslaved people etc.
Load More Replies... Enid Blyton. the British children's Author famous for The Famous Five, The Secret Seven, Mallory Towers, Noddy, Mr. Galliano's Circus and The Faraway Tree etc. She was a prolific writer' but a horrible person. She had a series of affairs, including a lesbian relationship with one of the children's nannies. In 1941, Blyton met Kenneth Fraser Darrell Waters, a London surgeon with whom she began a serious affair. Pollock discovered the liaison, and threatened to initiate divorce proceedings. Due to fears that exposure of her adultery would ruin her public image, it was ultimately agreed that Blyton would instead file for divorce against her husband Major Hugh Alexander Pollock Blyton promised that if he admitted to infidelity, she would allow him parental access to their daughters; but after the divorce, he was denied contact with them, and Blyton made sure he was subsequently unable to find work in publishing. Pollock, having married Crowe on 26 October 1943, eventually resumed his heavy drinking and was forced to petition for bankruptcy in 1950.
All this "reimagining" of historic figures and events reeks of its own racism. I'll no longer be following your page. The cism and slavery that occured in America, more than 200 years ago, does not justify anyone being racist now. The focus on American slavery highlights how little black Americans know about the history of slavery in general. Look up the tomb of Ramesses III, it was built thousands of years before American slavery existed and one of the first things you will notice on the left wall near the entrance is a scene of DISTINCTLY African slaves engraved into it. (You can explore the burial site yourself on the Matterport website, it's free and doesn't require registration) my point is so much blame is put on America's past that black American's aren't learning about other important times in history. Depriving them of the knowledge of their past, especially in their native homeland, is a negative for everyone. I hope you guys check out the tomb in Egypt, it is truly amazing.
Well, it's abote people who are generally beloved, so the number of communists is bound to be small
Load More Replies... This rant is nonsensical. Idk what you're trying to achieve. Most of these people should've been in prison. Yeah some are being outed as liar cheaters bad parents so what? We can all make up our minds about that as well. Why are you so against the truth? It's not judgment when it's a factual statement. I can forgive or understand when people make mistakes I've made mistakes I've hurt people I've also taken responsibility and I also know I can't force anyone to accept my apology and will forever be not liked by someone. However I can't forgive rapists or pedophiles I don't have it in me.
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