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Grandma Wants To Finally Start Living For Herself, So She ‘Retires’ From Taking Care Of Her Grandkids, Upsets Her Daughter
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Grandma Wants To Finally Start Living For Herself, So She ‘Retires’ From Taking Care Of Her Grandkids, Upsets Her Daughter

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Family members should love and support one another, but there should always be boundaries. Unfortunately, enacting them can be emotionally exhausting and make you feel guilty. Cuz it’s your family, y’know—your family! How can you not do everything to make their life easier?

One very young grandmother had a dilemma that she decided to run by the AITA community to get their opinion on whether or not she was doing the right thing. She raised her own children, then she helped raise her daughter’s son, and now she’s decided to ‘retire’ from taking care of the grandkids full time and move elsewhere. Her daughter, however, didn’t like that idea.

Have a read through the full story below, dear Pandas. It’s an interesting one and I’m very curious to hear how you’d solve this sticky social situation.

A very young grandmother raised not only her own children but also one of her daughter’s kids. Now, she wants to ‘retire’ from grandparenting full time

Image credits: tamadhanaval (not the actual photo)

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The core of the dilemma is simple enough: the grandma, redditor EconomyCharge6507, thinks that she’s already done more than her fair share to help the family. She’s already gone above and beyond the call of duty and we salute her.

Meanwhile, her daughter has a slightly different understanding of how families support one another and believes that you can ask for unconditional help, forever.

The redditors of the AITA community overwhelmingly supported the grandma’s right to move away and start living for her and her husband. This doesn’t mean that they don’t love their children or grandchildren. The dynamic’s just going to be different.

Yes, they’ll be spending less time together, but you could argue that this time will actually be higher quality because they’ll have time to miss one another, instead of constantly living within a routine.

While everyone’s free to do what they wish with their lives, there are certain cultural pressures to take into account as well. Certain cultures encourage very tight-knit communities and living near your grandparents and other family members or visiting them very often isn’t all that uncommon.

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If you’ve ever traveled to Southern or Eastern Europe or Russia, then you’ll know the importance placed on local communities. Though, to be fair, as the world continues to modernize, traditional approaches to family life are changing, too.

During an earlier interview, counselor Katie Rose, who is a member of the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy, told me parents tend to feel the need to be perfect. However, that means trying and failing to meet “unreasonably high expectations” that we set for ourselves. Instead of aiming for the impossible, we need to give our children space to grow.

“In order for our children to learn and grow, they need to understand that we’re not perfect—in fact, that perfection doesn’t even exist. Instead, by failing them in small, manageable ways, we help them learn to tolerate the small frustrations that they will inevitably face in their everyday lives in the future, helping them grow into successful adults,” Katie told Bored Panda.

Here’s what some redditors said after reading through the grandma’s story

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One of them was curious to find out how much the grandma’s own parent were involved in the raising process

Most redditors agreed that the original poster’s daughter needs to learn how to raise kids on her own

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lazy panda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The daughter should probably stop having kids if she can't take care of them without her mom...

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im.bored.person
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i agree. even tho its possible she's not having them on purpose

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Viviane
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One of the commenters read my mind: was the daughter having a third child because she relied on someone else to care for them? The grandparents have done a good job of raising the oldest child. I wonder how well the two younger ones will turn out with an immature mother raising them. The father sounds pretty entitled, too.

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A teen mom requiring help is one thing. A 30-something whose husband is in the picture, has a good job, and she can afford to be a stay-home mom.... is another. The daughter, IMHO, should be glad her parents did that much for her and her first child.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. You don't want to take care of your children, then don't have children.

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Actually I would tell the daughter to simply say ""Good Riddance", Who needs a mother like that around.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like my sister. She drops her 3yo at my mom’s house whenever she feels like it, to go out for her own appointments & stuff. Without notice in advance. My mom is already swarmed with office work, elder care (my grandpop before he passed), & church accounting. (My mom is a superman who is unfortunately greatly taken advantage by everyone). While my sister herself comes in late to work - she works for my parents - whenever she wants & still expects favor from her parents like it is her given right. It reached a point where she get mad at my mom & said some hurtful things to my mom like “other granparents do more with taking care of their grandkids. Why aren’t you helping me?”.

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Viviane
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your sister is doing the next-generation version of "Why can't you be more like so-and-so's kid?" That's gaslighting.

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Hans
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is great for children to have grandparents, and it is great for grandparents to have grandchildren. It is nice if parents can rely on their own parents, and it is nice if parents know their children will call them when in need. But the grandparents' contribution should be no obligation – not from either side. The parents decide how much the grandparents can visit, and the grandparents decide if they visit! And the grandchildren just enjoy!

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Ramona Rhein
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m a grandmother to 6 grandchildren, all to single (one whose husband has pushed child rearing all on her) daughters. None of their fathers are in the picture. I know they need help, but I reserve the right to say no for my own sanity. I help when I am able, but when I can’t, they accept that. I raised my own alone and think I help as much as I can. But I’m useless if it’s forced on me.

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Minnie-me
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

why have kids if you don't want or can't handle the responsibility?

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Znaya
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe you should stick to your plans and not feel any type of guilt. You and your husband deserve to be put first. You deserve to do exactly what you want to do when you want to do it. She has a husband with a good job and if she needs extra help she can hire a nanny 😀, just my opinion!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where are the smaller children's other grandparents? I can maybe understand if they are not on the scene and daughter needs someone to look after the two year old while she's in labour (not an unreasonable ask - it's a small amount of babysitting and, yes, that IS the role of a grandparent, along with staying up past bedtime and having two lollypops), but other than that she's chosen to be a SAHM. Which means she is staying at home to raise her children. Any additional help she needs should be amazingly limited to exceptional circumstances (like her being in hospital and needing someone to watch the other child). NTA. Move house and enjoy your time.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not an unreasonable ask, if they live in the same city as you. Should they stay there just for those more necessary scenarios? I can see why the daughter is scared of having a toddler and a newborn and suddenly losing the help and support that she thought she'd always have. But I think it's fair for the grandparents to move away & enjoy their retirement. Hopefully there is somebody else in the daughter's life who can help when she is in labour or otherwise in need of help.

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Cheyenne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Grandma paid her dues. She does not have to be anyone's babysitter.

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Ian Kelly
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Course she's pregnant again, and why not? Have all the fun without the chore of raising a kid. Theres a big parenting tip that lies within the old saying, "you've made your bed, so now lie in it."

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Kitty Jordan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who's pregnant right now and despising every second of it, being pregnant is reason enough not to be pregnant again! I kid... you're absolutely right. She should have been thinking of grandma helping out as a bonus that might happen occasionally instead of counting on it. If she doesn't think she can have a kid without relying on grandma, then she and her husband shouldn't be having another.

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Renate Stargardt
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my second son was 1 year old, I had the opportunity to take a well-paid, full-time job. Before I even considered applying for the job, I asked my mom, if it was OK for her to take the boys, when I was working. I regularly gave her money for her extra expenses, like for food etc ... which she gladly accepted (we come from a rather humble background). I've never seen, (or used) my mom as an unpaid babysitter, that I could access whenever.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

well i can think its kinda hard to tell your children to go and take care of their children themselves. but its the right thing to do, you had your share on raising the first grandchild and how can they be so selfcentered to tell you to not move and enjoy your retirement. tell them to go be adults and take care of their kids themselves. its not grandma and pa job to help them have "easy" life by full time babysit the kids.

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Sandra
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well if you are not up to raise your kids dont have them. Its not the grandma duty to raise them, not even to help. They do it if they want and can but it is not a must happen. And I get het point, she wants time with her husband

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Manuela Martins
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The parents should perhaps have set limits from the beginning? The daughter is used to it and of course did not expect it to ever end, which is immature and selfish, imho. Move away, enjoy your life, she will get over it. You have done more than enough. And no, it's NOT my parents' job to raise MY children.

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Holes2Heaven
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your daughter needs to learn to stand on her own two feet! She's a grown woman who should be able to handle raising her children. Do what you want to do and don't feel guilted or shamed into what she wants.

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Effseven Six
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After your 18 it's a gift and not a right that your parents help you. At that point they have done thier time and deserve to have lives of their own. Im very close with both my parents and aways respected their need for their own life when I was done being raised.

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Natalie Kudryashova
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sure, that is what grandmothers do - IF and WHEN they choose to. The OP had never promised her daughter to take care of all of the daughter’s children forever and ever.

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DC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people keep asking strangers to reinforce their belief in not being the asshole? I mean, likely they aren't - but each and every story of that kind is one-sided at best, we don't know the entire situation - unless someone truly is beyond and below their mind, demanding stuff like essential oils to be chosen over actual evidence-based medicine. Most times, even NTA are TA for asking. Of course, Grandma can retire, but what might possibly be relevant and unknown to the audience? Maybe, that knowledge would be a true gamechanger now and then...

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John Dough
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In this situation I can see the daughter doing so much guilt tripping and gaslighting that she just wants some validation for a situation she's conflicted about. Many of these AITA articles are absurd but this one I get.

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Ian Kelly
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Course she's pregnant again, and why not? Have all the fun without having the chore of raising it. There's a big parenting tip that lies within the old saying "you made your bed, so lie in it."

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Don't Look
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mistake was made early on in the daughters life and she was too enabled. It’s not the grandmas fault. It’s simply… lessons delayed in life.

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True, if they didn`t jump in to raise the first grandchild she would have to figure it out on time. It would be hard but it would be a lesson learned. This way they cushioned the fall and rewarded her ill decision by helping much more then they should have, basically taking all responsibility of the daughter so she could finish school and have a better life. No wonder she learned nothing

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Bee Diaz
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your daughter is a selfish beyatch and entitled as well. If she does not want to or cannot care for her children then she should quit making them. Go ahead and live your lives, your daughter is living hers. It is time she grow the hell up and start being responsible for the decisions she makes. What a selfish, entitled monster.

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Stille20
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfortunately the grandmother enabled her daughter and now has to cut the apron strings, but apparently now is that moment.

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Jackie Porter
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mum made it abundantly clear as I was growing up that she wouldn't be caring for any children I might have while I went to work. She drilled that in to both my sister and myself. Luckily we both never wanted kids anyway.

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MagicalUnicorn
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i'm 35 and have zero kids, couldn't imagine having grandkids at my age, but damn, rest up and enjoy, your daughter will have to raise her kids herself

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Mary Thompson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a grandma of 5 and couldn't imagine, (although would if it was needed), taking on one of my grandchildren basically full time. I believe it changes the dynamic of the relationship of grandchild and grandparent. It becomes a job, and resentment can build. The grandmother helped at a time in her daughters life when that help was needed. Now it's time for the daughter to grow up and think about the welfare of her mom and dad and their needs.

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Lara Kristelle
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or they badly need help, why not hire a nanny? They’re capable anyway. Do enjoy your life while you can OP.

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elfin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Caring for a child may not be a chore, but it hard work and a big responsibility. Retirement is a sensible option. Your daughter, on the other hand, is too young (and too pregnant) to retire.

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Nancy Massi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Please retire and live your lives. You've already raised a grandson and your daughter, who elected to be a stay at home mom, is using emotional blackmail. Move far away!

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Lindy Mac
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The grandparents ( OP and hubby) should enjoy their life in what ever place they want. They have worked hard for so many years it is time to relax, socialize with people in their own age group if they want , instead of reading Green Eggs and Ham every night. Hope you have a long and happy life where ever you decide to move to. 😎🌵🏌️‍♂️🏄‍♀️🏊🚴🌴❤️

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Leslie Burleson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not the a-hole at all. My autistic daughter had a child at 19, and we've been helping her raise him ever since. It's like having another child. She hadn't even figured herself out yet , let alone figured out being an adult. It has been a long difficult road, but she's getting there. We will never be empty nesters and that is difficult sometimes.

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Brian Bennett
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry to say this but maybe you should have put you should have put your foot down before. In other words you raised two children (your kid and her kid). Maybe be you should have ingrained a little responsibility in your kid to raise her kid. What is the famous saying "JUST SAY NO" to your kid. Amen!

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Alejandra Lima
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This, people, is why many women should never have kids. Why do they plan motherhood based on other people's free time? And just say NO when someone wants you to be a free babysitter... they should have planned better their lives before having kids.

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Lola
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A perfect example of people who should not be having children at all. I hate to say but you taught her to be this way by raising the first child for her. I understand that she was very young, but it doesn’t seem to me like she took any responsibility for her actions. Naturally, now she thinks she owns you as her full time, free babysitters. She is nothing more than a spoiled brat. I won’t be surprised if she never lets you see the kids if you do move away. Your decision is very simple. Go live your life and let them take care of their responsibilities. It doesn’t seem like your daughter appreciates you even if you raise ten of her kids.

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fu yu
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Daughter sounds brain-damaged. She chose to have the baby. HER actions, HER responsibility.

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Kotryna M
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well the grandparents have the right to live their own lives the way they want. Most likely the daughter got used to have someone take care of her child instead of her. She is probably afraid to deal with her life choices on her own. I am not defending her, just trying to understand. Best course of action is to just move the way grandparents want to and the daughter will adjust to the change and learn to take care of herself.

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im.bored.person
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i mean grandma did a good job taking care of her daughters kid. im actually glad the mom actually quit working so she can take care of her 2nd kid

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QueenMiri
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You give birth. You take care of it. End of the conversation. If you don't want to take care of a child, don't have one. Abortion is an option. Otherwise do your job and be a parent. Getting help from family and friends is great but they are not responsible for raising your child. They have their own lives.

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Arctic Fox Lover
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like this lady has a very irresponsible daughter. She's nta. Her daughter is.

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I I
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i remember my mums mum looking after us while she worked or went away for the weekend but never my dads mum , is it different rules or something ? i can't wait too look after my gran kids , my daughters have no plans as yet but you never know

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Dorothy Parker
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Was the OP consulted before her daughter conceived this fetus? Or the child before them? If not, then her daughter made a rather broad assumption.

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Evelyn Haskins
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not so selfish as hinted at. We left our kids just as they were producing grandchildren for us. I really really feel I've missed out severely only seeing my grandchildren rarely. I also missed out knowing my grandparents well because my parents moved across the continent. So Sad.

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John Dough
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stop projecting. There is no reason to think these grandparents won't still be frequent visitors.

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ayupama
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Assume the consequences: You did not educated your daughter and everything in life has consequences.

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Lara Mig
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Grandma's in for a nursing home when she gets old, instead of aging in place supported by family. Hope she's ok with that after her "retirement". Moving away from family to age is not a good idea.

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"I was a 16 year old teen mom. My parents gave me a great deal if support in raising my son, who just turned 18, for which I'm very grateful. As a result if all the time they spent together my son has a super close bond to his grandparents. Now I'm in a much better place, married, with a two year old and another child due soon. I've been lucky enough to be able to be a SAHM this time around, so while we see my parents fairly often I've only asked them to babysit a handful of times. I though we had agreed they would watch my two year old when I was in the hospital. Now just before my baby is due my mom has informed me she and my dad are retiring out of state. She tells me she's "retiring from childcare " Shes made it sound like the time spent with my oldest was a terrible obligation she's glad to be done with. She doesn't seem the least bit sad that see won't see her younger grandchildren much at all as they grow up. We'll be lucky if we see them once a year now. I'll admit I'm feeling hurt, and sad that my children won't grow up with grandparents around, but my mom's acting like I'm the bad guy."

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Thus is just a hypothetical, because I feel like most of these AITA posts are by nature from a very slanted perspective. Maybe there is more to the story. I was particularly struck by the part, " They say I make it sound like caring for my grandson was a chore " it makes me think maybe the daughter's reaction is more hurt, than entitlement.

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You raised a self-entitled brat, lady. But good for you for sayin' hell no...

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or perhaps she never raised her that way. She just ended up being like that. Sometimes kids have personalities they didn't get from their parents.

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Daughter should have her tubes tied. And her children taken from her. Also, if the parents basically gave up and raised the kid themselves, they are partly responsible for their daughter being a fckn irresponsible slob, though. They clearly didn't raise her well

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The grandparents have the typical Boomer retirement mentality. No previous generation ever had "retirement"; no previous generation ever considered it a "right" to move "somewhere warm" at a certain age & spend the rest of their lives in self-absorbed leisure; & no previous generation ever prioritized this over being close to family & continuing to contribute & participate in multi-generational family life. Tbh, I see this attitude in tons of Boomer & early Gen-X grandparents, & it pretty much disgusts me. Their generation treated their own parents & grandparents like garbage (nursing homes, anyone?), & now that same "me first" attitude is directed towards their kids & grandkids. Boomers/early Gen-X are the most spoiled, self-absorbed generation to ever live. When I'm a grandmother, I will be part of my family's everyday lives right until the end. Being needed & useful & helping raise the young is what gives elders a sense of purpose & meaning; it keeps the aged young at heart... "retirement" is the epitome of Western decadence.

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Otter
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, rely on your parents from unlimited free babysitting, do you? Seriously, you're the first person to criticize the OP grandma, everyone else things she's totally within her rights.

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lazy panda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The daughter should probably stop having kids if she can't take care of them without her mom...

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i agree. even tho its possible she's not having them on purpose

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Viviane
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One of the commenters read my mind: was the daughter having a third child because she relied on someone else to care for them? The grandparents have done a good job of raising the oldest child. I wonder how well the two younger ones will turn out with an immature mother raising them. The father sounds pretty entitled, too.

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A teen mom requiring help is one thing. A 30-something whose husband is in the picture, has a good job, and she can afford to be a stay-home mom.... is another. The daughter, IMHO, should be glad her parents did that much for her and her first child.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. You don't want to take care of your children, then don't have children.

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Actually I would tell the daughter to simply say ""Good Riddance", Who needs a mother like that around.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like my sister. She drops her 3yo at my mom’s house whenever she feels like it, to go out for her own appointments & stuff. Without notice in advance. My mom is already swarmed with office work, elder care (my grandpop before he passed), & church accounting. (My mom is a superman who is unfortunately greatly taken advantage by everyone). While my sister herself comes in late to work - she works for my parents - whenever she wants & still expects favor from her parents like it is her given right. It reached a point where she get mad at my mom & said some hurtful things to my mom like “other granparents do more with taking care of their grandkids. Why aren’t you helping me?”.

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Viviane
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your sister is doing the next-generation version of "Why can't you be more like so-and-so's kid?" That's gaslighting.

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Hans
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is great for children to have grandparents, and it is great for grandparents to have grandchildren. It is nice if parents can rely on their own parents, and it is nice if parents know their children will call them when in need. But the grandparents' contribution should be no obligation – not from either side. The parents decide how much the grandparents can visit, and the grandparents decide if they visit! And the grandchildren just enjoy!

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Ramona Rhein
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m a grandmother to 6 grandchildren, all to single (one whose husband has pushed child rearing all on her) daughters. None of their fathers are in the picture. I know they need help, but I reserve the right to say no for my own sanity. I help when I am able, but when I can’t, they accept that. I raised my own alone and think I help as much as I can. But I’m useless if it’s forced on me.

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Minnie-me
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

why have kids if you don't want or can't handle the responsibility?

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Znaya
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe you should stick to your plans and not feel any type of guilt. You and your husband deserve to be put first. You deserve to do exactly what you want to do when you want to do it. She has a husband with a good job and if she needs extra help she can hire a nanny 😀, just my opinion!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where are the smaller children's other grandparents? I can maybe understand if they are not on the scene and daughter needs someone to look after the two year old while she's in labour (not an unreasonable ask - it's a small amount of babysitting and, yes, that IS the role of a grandparent, along with staying up past bedtime and having two lollypops), but other than that she's chosen to be a SAHM. Which means she is staying at home to raise her children. Any additional help she needs should be amazingly limited to exceptional circumstances (like her being in hospital and needing someone to watch the other child). NTA. Move house and enjoy your time.

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Parmeisan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not an unreasonable ask, if they live in the same city as you. Should they stay there just for those more necessary scenarios? I can see why the daughter is scared of having a toddler and a newborn and suddenly losing the help and support that she thought she'd always have. But I think it's fair for the grandparents to move away & enjoy their retirement. Hopefully there is somebody else in the daughter's life who can help when she is in labour or otherwise in need of help.

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Cheyenne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Grandma paid her dues. She does not have to be anyone's babysitter.

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Ian Kelly
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Course she's pregnant again, and why not? Have all the fun without the chore of raising a kid. Theres a big parenting tip that lies within the old saying, "you've made your bed, so now lie in it."

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Kitty Jordan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who's pregnant right now and despising every second of it, being pregnant is reason enough not to be pregnant again! I kid... you're absolutely right. She should have been thinking of grandma helping out as a bonus that might happen occasionally instead of counting on it. If she doesn't think she can have a kid without relying on grandma, then she and her husband shouldn't be having another.

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Renate Stargardt
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my second son was 1 year old, I had the opportunity to take a well-paid, full-time job. Before I even considered applying for the job, I asked my mom, if it was OK for her to take the boys, when I was working. I regularly gave her money for her extra expenses, like for food etc ... which she gladly accepted (we come from a rather humble background). I've never seen, (or used) my mom as an unpaid babysitter, that I could access whenever.

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h to da izzle
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

well i can think its kinda hard to tell your children to go and take care of their children themselves. but its the right thing to do, you had your share on raising the first grandchild and how can they be so selfcentered to tell you to not move and enjoy your retirement. tell them to go be adults and take care of their kids themselves. its not grandma and pa job to help them have "easy" life by full time babysit the kids.

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Sandra
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well if you are not up to raise your kids dont have them. Its not the grandma duty to raise them, not even to help. They do it if they want and can but it is not a must happen. And I get het point, she wants time with her husband

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Manuela Martins
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The parents should perhaps have set limits from the beginning? The daughter is used to it and of course did not expect it to ever end, which is immature and selfish, imho. Move away, enjoy your life, she will get over it. You have done more than enough. And no, it's NOT my parents' job to raise MY children.

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Holes2Heaven
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your daughter needs to learn to stand on her own two feet! She's a grown woman who should be able to handle raising her children. Do what you want to do and don't feel guilted or shamed into what she wants.

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Effseven Six
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After your 18 it's a gift and not a right that your parents help you. At that point they have done thier time and deserve to have lives of their own. Im very close with both my parents and aways respected their need for their own life when I was done being raised.

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Natalie Kudryashova
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sure, that is what grandmothers do - IF and WHEN they choose to. The OP had never promised her daughter to take care of all of the daughter’s children forever and ever.

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DC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people keep asking strangers to reinforce their belief in not being the asshole? I mean, likely they aren't - but each and every story of that kind is one-sided at best, we don't know the entire situation - unless someone truly is beyond and below their mind, demanding stuff like essential oils to be chosen over actual evidence-based medicine. Most times, even NTA are TA for asking. Of course, Grandma can retire, but what might possibly be relevant and unknown to the audience? Maybe, that knowledge would be a true gamechanger now and then...

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John Dough
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In this situation I can see the daughter doing so much guilt tripping and gaslighting that she just wants some validation for a situation she's conflicted about. Many of these AITA articles are absurd but this one I get.

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Ian Kelly
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Course she's pregnant again, and why not? Have all the fun without having the chore of raising it. There's a big parenting tip that lies within the old saying "you made your bed, so lie in it."

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mistake was made early on in the daughters life and she was too enabled. It’s not the grandmas fault. It’s simply… lessons delayed in life.

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True, if they didn`t jump in to raise the first grandchild she would have to figure it out on time. It would be hard but it would be a lesson learned. This way they cushioned the fall and rewarded her ill decision by helping much more then they should have, basically taking all responsibility of the daughter so she could finish school and have a better life. No wonder she learned nothing

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Bee Diaz
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your daughter is a selfish beyatch and entitled as well. If she does not want to or cannot care for her children then she should quit making them. Go ahead and live your lives, your daughter is living hers. It is time she grow the hell up and start being responsible for the decisions she makes. What a selfish, entitled monster.

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Stille20
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfortunately the grandmother enabled her daughter and now has to cut the apron strings, but apparently now is that moment.

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Jackie Porter
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mum made it abundantly clear as I was growing up that she wouldn't be caring for any children I might have while I went to work. She drilled that in to both my sister and myself. Luckily we both never wanted kids anyway.

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MagicalUnicorn
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i'm 35 and have zero kids, couldn't imagine having grandkids at my age, but damn, rest up and enjoy, your daughter will have to raise her kids herself

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Mary Thompson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a grandma of 5 and couldn't imagine, (although would if it was needed), taking on one of my grandchildren basically full time. I believe it changes the dynamic of the relationship of grandchild and grandparent. It becomes a job, and resentment can build. The grandmother helped at a time in her daughters life when that help was needed. Now it's time for the daughter to grow up and think about the welfare of her mom and dad and their needs.

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Lara Kristelle
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or they badly need help, why not hire a nanny? They’re capable anyway. Do enjoy your life while you can OP.

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elfin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Caring for a child may not be a chore, but it hard work and a big responsibility. Retirement is a sensible option. Your daughter, on the other hand, is too young (and too pregnant) to retire.

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Nancy Massi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Please retire and live your lives. You've already raised a grandson and your daughter, who elected to be a stay at home mom, is using emotional blackmail. Move far away!

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Lindy Mac
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The grandparents ( OP and hubby) should enjoy their life in what ever place they want. They have worked hard for so many years it is time to relax, socialize with people in their own age group if they want , instead of reading Green Eggs and Ham every night. Hope you have a long and happy life where ever you decide to move to. 😎🌵🏌️‍♂️🏄‍♀️🏊🚴🌴❤️

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Leslie Burleson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not the a-hole at all. My autistic daughter had a child at 19, and we've been helping her raise him ever since. It's like having another child. She hadn't even figured herself out yet , let alone figured out being an adult. It has been a long difficult road, but she's getting there. We will never be empty nesters and that is difficult sometimes.

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Brian Bennett
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry to say this but maybe you should have put you should have put your foot down before. In other words you raised two children (your kid and her kid). Maybe be you should have ingrained a little responsibility in your kid to raise her kid. What is the famous saying "JUST SAY NO" to your kid. Amen!

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Alejandra Lima
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This, people, is why many women should never have kids. Why do they plan motherhood based on other people's free time? And just say NO when someone wants you to be a free babysitter... they should have planned better their lives before having kids.

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Lola
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A perfect example of people who should not be having children at all. I hate to say but you taught her to be this way by raising the first child for her. I understand that she was very young, but it doesn’t seem to me like she took any responsibility for her actions. Naturally, now she thinks she owns you as her full time, free babysitters. She is nothing more than a spoiled brat. I won’t be surprised if she never lets you see the kids if you do move away. Your decision is very simple. Go live your life and let them take care of their responsibilities. It doesn’t seem like your daughter appreciates you even if you raise ten of her kids.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Daughter sounds brain-damaged. She chose to have the baby. HER actions, HER responsibility.

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Kotryna M
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well the grandparents have the right to live their own lives the way they want. Most likely the daughter got used to have someone take care of her child instead of her. She is probably afraid to deal with her life choices on her own. I am not defending her, just trying to understand. Best course of action is to just move the way grandparents want to and the daughter will adjust to the change and learn to take care of herself.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i mean grandma did a good job taking care of her daughters kid. im actually glad the mom actually quit working so she can take care of her 2nd kid

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You give birth. You take care of it. End of the conversation. If you don't want to take care of a child, don't have one. Abortion is an option. Otherwise do your job and be a parent. Getting help from family and friends is great but they are not responsible for raising your child. They have their own lives.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like this lady has a very irresponsible daughter. She's nta. Her daughter is.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i remember my mums mum looking after us while she worked or went away for the weekend but never my dads mum , is it different rules or something ? i can't wait too look after my gran kids , my daughters have no plans as yet but you never know

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Dorothy Parker
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Was the OP consulted before her daughter conceived this fetus? Or the child before them? If not, then her daughter made a rather broad assumption.

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Evelyn Haskins
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not so selfish as hinted at. We left our kids just as they were producing grandchildren for us. I really really feel I've missed out severely only seeing my grandchildren rarely. I also missed out knowing my grandparents well because my parents moved across the continent. So Sad.

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John Dough
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stop projecting. There is no reason to think these grandparents won't still be frequent visitors.

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ayupama
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Assume the consequences: You did not educated your daughter and everything in life has consequences.

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Lara Mig
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Grandma's in for a nursing home when she gets old, instead of aging in place supported by family. Hope she's ok with that after her "retirement". Moving away from family to age is not a good idea.

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"I was a 16 year old teen mom. My parents gave me a great deal if support in raising my son, who just turned 18, for which I'm very grateful. As a result if all the time they spent together my son has a super close bond to his grandparents. Now I'm in a much better place, married, with a two year old and another child due soon. I've been lucky enough to be able to be a SAHM this time around, so while we see my parents fairly often I've only asked them to babysit a handful of times. I though we had agreed they would watch my two year old when I was in the hospital. Now just before my baby is due my mom has informed me she and my dad are retiring out of state. She tells me she's "retiring from childcare " Shes made it sound like the time spent with my oldest was a terrible obligation she's glad to be done with. She doesn't seem the least bit sad that see won't see her younger grandchildren much at all as they grow up. We'll be lucky if we see them once a year now. I'll admit I'm feeling hurt, and sad that my children won't grow up with grandparents around, but my mom's acting like I'm the bad guy."

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Thus is just a hypothetical, because I feel like most of these AITA posts are by nature from a very slanted perspective. Maybe there is more to the story. I was particularly struck by the part, " They say I make it sound like caring for my grandson was a chore " it makes me think maybe the daughter's reaction is more hurt, than entitlement.

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You raised a self-entitled brat, lady. But good for you for sayin' hell no...

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or perhaps she never raised her that way. She just ended up being like that. Sometimes kids have personalities they didn't get from their parents.

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Daughter should have her tubes tied. And her children taken from her. Also, if the parents basically gave up and raised the kid themselves, they are partly responsible for their daughter being a fckn irresponsible slob, though. They clearly didn't raise her well

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The grandparents have the typical Boomer retirement mentality. No previous generation ever had "retirement"; no previous generation ever considered it a "right" to move "somewhere warm" at a certain age & spend the rest of their lives in self-absorbed leisure; & no previous generation ever prioritized this over being close to family & continuing to contribute & participate in multi-generational family life. Tbh, I see this attitude in tons of Boomer & early Gen-X grandparents, & it pretty much disgusts me. Their generation treated their own parents & grandparents like garbage (nursing homes, anyone?), & now that same "me first" attitude is directed towards their kids & grandkids. Boomers/early Gen-X are the most spoiled, self-absorbed generation to ever live. When I'm a grandmother, I will be part of my family's everyday lives right until the end. Being needed & useful & helping raise the young is what gives elders a sense of purpose & meaning; it keeps the aged young at heart... "retirement" is the epitome of Western decadence.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, rely on your parents from unlimited free babysitting, do you? Seriously, you're the first person to criticize the OP grandma, everyone else things she's totally within her rights.

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