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Guy Tells Story Of Friend Taking 3 Trash Bags From Work And Getting Fired, Now People Are Sharing Similar Stories
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Guy Tells Story Of Friend Taking 3 Trash Bags From Work And Getting Fired, Now People Are Sharing Similar Stories

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While some consider theft a black-and-white situation, whereby it doesn’t matter what you steal, it’s still stealing and it’s wrong, others tend to find a gray area between the two. You know, like it depends on what exactly is stolen and what the circumstances are.

Or more specifically, what if it was 3 empty garbage bags from a massive fast food chain, and the employee wasn’t really hiding the fact that he was taking them. This is what happened in u/BilbosBagholder’s post shared in the r/AntiWork subreddit that’s all about ending work.

Needless to say, it did divide the lovely people of Reddit a little bit, who were trying to decide who was wrong and who wasn’t, while others shared similar stories.

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We don’t think much of garbage bags, but companies do, especially if they are used for personal ends

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So, Reddit user BilbosBagholder shared a story of how back in the day, a friend of his took 3 garbage bags from the McDonald’s he worked at to be used for packing some of his clothes he was planning to get rid of at home.

Well, the Assistant Manager offered the friend a ride home and happened to notice the trash bags on him. He inquired whether those bags were from work—the friend was truthful about it, didn’t hide it at all, and didn’t even make a big deal about taking them in the first place.

An internaut shared a story of how his friend got fired for taking 3 trash bags from work

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Guy Tells Story Of Friend Taking 3 Trash Bags From Work And Getting Fired, Now People Are Sharing Similar Stories

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Nothing really happened until the next day when the employee found out his job contract was terminated. Turns out, the Assistant Manager reported the theft to the Manager, who took action and dismissed the thief.

“The AM held his head down and wouldn’t make eye contact with my friend. Didn’t say anything or apologize,” elaborated Bilbo.

In light of the story, the Reddit user also pointed out how he now sees a lot of fast food joints desperately looking for people to work, saying how the tables have turned that previously restaurants were fire-happy while now there’s an extreme shortage of people working in the field.

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The post has managed to garner nearly 32,000 upvotes in under 12 hours, engaging with people to a degree where there are now over 4,000 comments and over 30 Reddit awards on the post.

While for the most part people were supportive of the fired one, considering the trash bags quite a minor thing to take from work and sharing their own stories of how they got fired from similar establishments, there were also some who argued the opposite.

They claimed stealing is stealing, it doesn’t really matter what is stolen, pointing out that he’s lucky no charges were brought upon him, as it could’ve gotten very ugly very quickly.

Besides debating the right and wrong, many shared some of their “being fired” stories

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You can read more comments by checking out the Reddit post, but before you go, tell us your thoughts on this. Was he wrong to steal, was the manager wrong to jump to such a conclusion without confronting the employee? Was everyone wrong, or nobody? Discuss and debate in the comment section below!

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hedwards avatar
H Edwards
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A warning would have been more appropriate. Kid clearly didn't know he was doing anything wrong, so they could have just put him straight and that would be that.

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Big Blue Cat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. A warning with explanation why he shouldn't do that. (If they let people help themselves with small stuff, where does it end? It can lead to loss of big bucks over time.)

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Jerry Mathers
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay, so for the theft is theft folks, how you stand on this? Employee A clocks out and is walking out the door when they are stopped by their manager who gets them to help lift a box onto the counter. The employee does, then leaves. Is that theft? How about your boss calling you outside of work hours? Unpaid time to help the business is technically theft by the employer. Proportionality it's the same. It's just a few cents. But technical it's theft of labor. This kind of stuff routinely happens. I don't know if there is a name for it, but I call it being a human. We overlook the small crap, do what we can, and the world is smoother. A warning would have been the most that should have happened.

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ChimeraBubbles
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jerry, I upvoted you because you are absolutely right. Companies think nothing of the theft of labour and then get hopping mad about small item loss. I worked at a big company in the early 00s that accepted this was a reality and let a lot of it slide. This was because the CEO was well aware of the small but extra minutes that employees put into the company outside of paid time. Small item loss from the company was equalled out by small time loss from the employees. What's a real shame is the number of people who don't seem to (want to) understand this concept and routinely defend corporations' own terrible behaviour. I can't see them as anything other than turkeys voting for Christmas at this point.

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Fat Harry
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the whole problem with the US's "at-will" employment laws. Yes, you can fire someone for gross misconduct in the UK, but you can't simply fire someone because you don't like the look of their face like you can in the US. The more I learn about the US, the more messed up that country seems to be.

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Kathryn Baylis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s why we need to unionize more workplaces. I had a union job once, and it was like night and day. Management really has to make an ironclad case for firing you, or it just doesn’t happen. It was nice to know the union had my back, and I wouldn’t have to fight for my job alone. Ended up leaving anyway, to go back to college full time and get my Masters.

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Claire Stanfield
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with the perspective that they were looking for a reason to fire him, and settled on that when it came up.

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Paul Davis
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't believe how many crazy "stealing trash bags is wrong" lunatics were responding. I'm not saying stealing is okay, but the point is letting a willing employee go for such a triviality is massively stupid and short-sighted considering the cost v. benefit of having to hire and train a new person to do the work. And the loon who said this would cause a rash of trashbag thefts by every employee in the company...seriously? Even if it happened it wouldn't make a blip against all the other waste and issues these companies have. That guy really must live under a flipping rock, with no real life experience at all.

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H Edwards
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are a lot of people who refuse to accept that there are any ethical grey areas in life. Many of them like to comment on Reddit posts. Thankfully I find that most people IRL seem to be a little more open minded.

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Alexis Draskinis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister got fired from a deli for eating a slice of cheese. It was cut already but made it overweight. Customer wanted it under. It was wasted out, meaning the company will be compensated for along with other waste items for the say, & would otherwise have gone in the garbage. Another employee asked her if she wanted it. They fired her anyway cause it was on camera. Literally fired over a $.05 slice of cheese that they already accounted for...its bullshit

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King Joffrey
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This could have been an informal warning. To fire someone for that is just silly.

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NsG
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do I get compensated by the CEO stealing the pens I bought with my own money and brought into the office because the stationary drawer was always empty? I consider it a fair exchange if I then write the time of a doctor's appointment on a post it note and take it home with me.

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DC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Work don't pays for my pen and paper. If I print out a navigation sheet for work, I will reuse the backside for shopping lists not associated with work, unless I buy a new pen or so... People should just see the proportion. While stealing is stealing, of course, the value does matter. A warning may have been legit, firing him not. Also - I know a guy who stole toilet paper and got fired over it ... after he developed a massice diarrhea from the crappy food at work and his shift ended in the middle of the night, so no chance buying some on his own. Unfair? Sure. But he also didn't hide anything or so...

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Awsomemom52
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked in a sewing factory. At some point I talk to one of my colleagues about how I could certainly make a nice patchwork blanket, out of the leftover fabric we had at the time. I jokingly said: I should take some to sew a pillowcase out of it ... just to see how it turns out. The next day I was called to the office. My boss first insulted me, accused me of theft and then fired me. He wanted me to admit it and apologize to him. I told him that I'm not desperate enough to steal from someone like him yet ... even though he payed me such a ridiculous hourly wage. Then I turned around and just left. The scraps of fabric were only 3 by 3 inches ... and were thrown away.

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The Starsong Princess
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Generally, when you catch someone stealing, even something small, it’s not the first time they stole from the company, it’s just the first time they got caught. Over the years, I had two employees who stole small things (stapler and staples for one, shoe polish for another}and both times I regretted not letting them go on the spot. One guy ended up getting arrested in our store for theft elsewhere . The second guy left on his own but we kept finding things missing for months. He stole everything from $300 cowboy boots to our broom!

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Missy Moo Moo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I thought it meant 3 bags filled with rubbish, but it means 3 rubbish bags empty.... right? So they took 3 plastic bags?

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Phil Vaive
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay, let's see it from the manager's POV. If this kid is casually taking garbage bags without permission, in full view of the assistant manager, what is he doing wrong when the management isn't around? Or what if he escalates to taking food, or money from the till? If the manager's bosses found out that they kept this kid on after knowing he was already stealing, the manager could be fired. There are probably also company policies about that (it's Mcdonalds, I'm certain they have policies for literally any possible scenario), and part of the manager's job is simply to follow them. For all of the "just let it go" people, where do you draw the line? From a corporate perspective, theft is theft. That's the line. If he had just asked, then this situation wouldn't have come up.

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Max
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pay your employees a living wage and they wont have to steal rubbish bags.

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Mike Beck
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Theft is theft, regardless of the value and should be disciplined. But the scale of this particular action warrants nothing more than a warning that it's not allowed. Businesses hurting for help as much as they are, I doubt this was a model employee. Also, such a perfect employee who never did wrong would never have considered walking out with anything without asking. On the other hand, businesses do retain the right to shoot themselves in the foot if they want to.

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Lovin' Life
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stealing is stealing and is unacceptable. It doesn't matter if it a trash bag or a car. It's just plain wrong!!!

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MarieTDr
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are you familiar with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs? If a starving man steals a loaf of bread to feed his starving family, etc? You would let the man starve. I would offer him a loaf of bread.

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Elmie Pumpkinbush
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Kanuli
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crazy. Worked at a swiss chocolate factory, and guess what: people took tons of chocolate home. Usual rule was the line manager has to accept, and then it’s fine. Some weeks before christmas 100-200kg were missing 😂🤣

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, if it belongs to corporate/business owner/business? It's not yours. Ask a favor, whatever, but working STEM, believe me, those "little nothings" add up to a lot.

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Linny H
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you say " took 3 garbage bags" what you really mean is "stealing from the company he works for". What if the environment of the workplace was " hey! Take whatever you want"? The cost of that!! Let me remind you you that theft is built in to every single the you pay for at every store you shop at. Wouldn't it be nice if your friend bought his own damn trash bags??

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Mari Bryant
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, it's just "3 garbage bags", but what if each employee took "just 3"? He should have gotten a warning, but to be mad at the employer isn't right. They have instructions to follow as well, and are doing their job. If there is a zero tolerance on theft, they did what they had to do.

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Devil's Advocate
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the UK at least, almost all McD's are a franchise so it's up to the manager to set all the rules, but as already stated the kid could have asked for them, the manager probably saw it as "what else is he taking when he wants to, or what else will he take later on? More importantly though, my brain still hurts from reading "posted notes", argh!!!!!

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April Stephens
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like many commenters, I stand by "all stealing is wrong" but because of scale "he should have just gotten an informal warning." I just want to point out how weird I think it is to take garbage bags home from work. I understand grabbing a pen to use and accidentally pocketing it instead of putting it back on the counter, or jotting a personal note on a Post-it, but deliberately carrying bags home for the particular purpose of getting rid of your old clothes? It's not socially acceptable. It's inappropriate like pumping hand soap from a public restroom into a ziplock bag to take home... Or helping yourself to a light bulb from a lamp at work... It's just not done!

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Vishy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of its office property never take it home. If you want to ask first. It might just be something ordinary, or inexpensive but it's still office property. Uou wouldn't like me take something from your home without asking you would you?

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square coats
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just gotta point out that one person said "this isn't s**t that's going in the bin anyway", but like uh technically yeah it is lol

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Hollie Marie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the issue is he didn't ask he just took which isn't acceptable. Alright I think firing him was the extreme but maybe they could have written him up and explained to the staff why they can't take those things because as someone pointed out it all adds up if everyone did it. I can't even take cardboard home without having to ask first

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Sinkvenice
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think firing him is too harsh but he should've received a warning. He didn't buy those garbage bags so helping himself to a few is essentially stealing. He should've asked first for permission instead of just taking it. He shouldn't have lost his job over it though, that's really dumb.

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TTorrest Author
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was 15, I worked at a bakery. We were allowed to eat anything we wanted, provided we logged it on “the munchie list.” At the end of her shift, my friend grabbed a couple cookies on her way out the door, held them up and said, “I’m taking these.” Owners saw her “running out the door with stolen cookies” and fired her the next day.

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BasedWang
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds petty, but is technically stealing and as a huge corp, Im sure it was written in their employee handbook which would give them the A-okay for the firing

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Marcellus II
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Reminds me of the Johnny Cash song, "One piece at a time", where he works in a Detroit car factory and steals a car part every day. So in the end he can build his entire car, struggling to bodge it together to make a '53 engine fit the '72 transmission etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18cW_yHo3PY

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buttonpusher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At my ex's job they steal everything. Bin bags, the food, screws, random machine parts.. One guy hasn't bought toilet paper for years because he swipes it all.

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Attila Ángyán
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe there was something else in the background and the manager was just looking for the opportunity to fire the guy? Just a guess, seen that before...

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Fatér Dezső
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

sometimes a bin bag costs lot more than you'd think, you pay the garbage collection company their services by buying bags from them, might be $10/bag, which includes the collection, handling and "proper" disposal of them. BUT in this case you'd have to warn your employees, because if a bag gets damaged, you can exchange it with the company and also they'll know it's valuable so they won't just take one.

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SB
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was a teenager there was sooo much I didn't know. I grew up in a very rural area and I'm a bit clueless besides. If he was an otherwise decent employee (even showing up when you say you will is fairly rare) I would have done a lot to keep him. Just let him know more about what is and isn't acceptable. If he did it again that's something else, but it sounds like he had no idea what he was doing could be construed badly.

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Pascale Pierloot
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He took something without explicit permission. That's more like not realizing you should ask before assuming it's yours for the taking. Was that even made clear that you should not take anything home that was considered property of the employer. It's also true that if everyone starts taking something home this could add up after a while. Still it doesn't really make it reason enough to get fired for it. They could have taken it out of his wages and put ample warning that nothing was to be taken home or he could maybe given them back too. Managers could also do with some courses on how to handle their staff and make sure there's a pleasant and jovial contact between all staffmembers. Putting down he is a thief is making sure he will not find another job anytime soon...That's not showing a lot of compassion and overkill.

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Donae Sommerfeld Lugo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you have a reliable employee who has had no performance or attendance issues, and rather than talking to him, you terminate him for "theft being theft." No. Absolutely not. I work in HR and if one of my managers came to me with that, I'd tell them to get a friggin brain and use common sense. You coach to that. You don't act like a monster. This is why they can't hire anyone.

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Aleksandra
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I took a lot of tea boxes from my workplace when i was leaving it.. It was great quality tea ordered basically specially for me by the owner himself. The other receptionist didn't drink that tea and had her own kind ordered for her x.x It was really nice workplace

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Donkey boi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I first moved out to live on my own, I took A LOT of things from work. Washing up liquid, Brillo pads, sponges, rubber gloves, bin liners, Tea, coffee, sugar, milk... you name it I took it. One day I get called into a meeting room and general manager is there with the head of HR both looking very serious! They tell me they think there is a thief in the building and asked me 'as the most trusted employee' to keep an eye out. I started planning my raids around the same time as new starters or peoples leaving dates (we had a high turnover of staff). About 5 months later I get called into a meeting again, GM & HR looking very angry. They tell me they are going to put a lock on the store cupboard and they want the GM and me to be the key holders. They were going to make me responsible for ordering the supplies and that would be the end of the matter! Only a month later and I get a phone call from the CEO saying he knew the GM was embezzling but couldn't prove it. Cont.....

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Donkey boi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The GM had cost all the staff their annual bonus. I told the CEO I could pin something on the GM but it would mean admitting I'd done something wrong. The CEO agreed he would let me off whatever it was provided he could find a reason to get the GM. I told him about all the supplies I'd taken and how me and GM are now the only key holders. I told him if he was will willing to back me then the only other possible culprit would be the GM. CEO agreed, and arranged to come in conference. The day prior, I raided the storeroom like I'd never done before. The day of the conference I gave the a Tour, including our "Fully stocked storeroom". At the end of the day I "noticed" the empty shelves and, as I had been in conference with the CEO all day it could only have been the GM. He was dismissed on the spot for stealing from the company and if he tried to contest then the CEO would involve the police and press charges.

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H Edwards
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A warning would have been more appropriate. Kid clearly didn't know he was doing anything wrong, so they could have just put him straight and that would be that.

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Big Blue Cat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. A warning with explanation why he shouldn't do that. (If they let people help themselves with small stuff, where does it end? It can lead to loss of big bucks over time.)

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Jerry Mathers
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay, so for the theft is theft folks, how you stand on this? Employee A clocks out and is walking out the door when they are stopped by their manager who gets them to help lift a box onto the counter. The employee does, then leaves. Is that theft? How about your boss calling you outside of work hours? Unpaid time to help the business is technically theft by the employer. Proportionality it's the same. It's just a few cents. But technical it's theft of labor. This kind of stuff routinely happens. I don't know if there is a name for it, but I call it being a human. We overlook the small crap, do what we can, and the world is smoother. A warning would have been the most that should have happened.

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ChimeraBubbles
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jerry, I upvoted you because you are absolutely right. Companies think nothing of the theft of labour and then get hopping mad about small item loss. I worked at a big company in the early 00s that accepted this was a reality and let a lot of it slide. This was because the CEO was well aware of the small but extra minutes that employees put into the company outside of paid time. Small item loss from the company was equalled out by small time loss from the employees. What's a real shame is the number of people who don't seem to (want to) understand this concept and routinely defend corporations' own terrible behaviour. I can't see them as anything other than turkeys voting for Christmas at this point.

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Fat Harry
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the whole problem with the US's "at-will" employment laws. Yes, you can fire someone for gross misconduct in the UK, but you can't simply fire someone because you don't like the look of their face like you can in the US. The more I learn about the US, the more messed up that country seems to be.

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Kathryn Baylis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s why we need to unionize more workplaces. I had a union job once, and it was like night and day. Management really has to make an ironclad case for firing you, or it just doesn’t happen. It was nice to know the union had my back, and I wouldn’t have to fight for my job alone. Ended up leaving anyway, to go back to college full time and get my Masters.

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Claire Stanfield
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with the perspective that they were looking for a reason to fire him, and settled on that when it came up.

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Paul Davis
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't believe how many crazy "stealing trash bags is wrong" lunatics were responding. I'm not saying stealing is okay, but the point is letting a willing employee go for such a triviality is massively stupid and short-sighted considering the cost v. benefit of having to hire and train a new person to do the work. And the loon who said this would cause a rash of trashbag thefts by every employee in the company...seriously? Even if it happened it wouldn't make a blip against all the other waste and issues these companies have. That guy really must live under a flipping rock, with no real life experience at all.

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H Edwards
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are a lot of people who refuse to accept that there are any ethical grey areas in life. Many of them like to comment on Reddit posts. Thankfully I find that most people IRL seem to be a little more open minded.

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Alexis Draskinis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister got fired from a deli for eating a slice of cheese. It was cut already but made it overweight. Customer wanted it under. It was wasted out, meaning the company will be compensated for along with other waste items for the say, & would otherwise have gone in the garbage. Another employee asked her if she wanted it. They fired her anyway cause it was on camera. Literally fired over a $.05 slice of cheese that they already accounted for...its bullshit

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King Joffrey
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This could have been an informal warning. To fire someone for that is just silly.

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NsG
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do I get compensated by the CEO stealing the pens I bought with my own money and brought into the office because the stationary drawer was always empty? I consider it a fair exchange if I then write the time of a doctor's appointment on a post it note and take it home with me.

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DC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Work don't pays for my pen and paper. If I print out a navigation sheet for work, I will reuse the backside for shopping lists not associated with work, unless I buy a new pen or so... People should just see the proportion. While stealing is stealing, of course, the value does matter. A warning may have been legit, firing him not. Also - I know a guy who stole toilet paper and got fired over it ... after he developed a massice diarrhea from the crappy food at work and his shift ended in the middle of the night, so no chance buying some on his own. Unfair? Sure. But he also didn't hide anything or so...

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Awsomemom52
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked in a sewing factory. At some point I talk to one of my colleagues about how I could certainly make a nice patchwork blanket, out of the leftover fabric we had at the time. I jokingly said: I should take some to sew a pillowcase out of it ... just to see how it turns out. The next day I was called to the office. My boss first insulted me, accused me of theft and then fired me. He wanted me to admit it and apologize to him. I told him that I'm not desperate enough to steal from someone like him yet ... even though he payed me such a ridiculous hourly wage. Then I turned around and just left. The scraps of fabric were only 3 by 3 inches ... and were thrown away.

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The Starsong Princess
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Generally, when you catch someone stealing, even something small, it’s not the first time they stole from the company, it’s just the first time they got caught. Over the years, I had two employees who stole small things (stapler and staples for one, shoe polish for another}and both times I regretted not letting them go on the spot. One guy ended up getting arrested in our store for theft elsewhere . The second guy left on his own but we kept finding things missing for months. He stole everything from $300 cowboy boots to our broom!

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Missy Moo Moo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I thought it meant 3 bags filled with rubbish, but it means 3 rubbish bags empty.... right? So they took 3 plastic bags?

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Phil Vaive
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay, let's see it from the manager's POV. If this kid is casually taking garbage bags without permission, in full view of the assistant manager, what is he doing wrong when the management isn't around? Or what if he escalates to taking food, or money from the till? If the manager's bosses found out that they kept this kid on after knowing he was already stealing, the manager could be fired. There are probably also company policies about that (it's Mcdonalds, I'm certain they have policies for literally any possible scenario), and part of the manager's job is simply to follow them. For all of the "just let it go" people, where do you draw the line? From a corporate perspective, theft is theft. That's the line. If he had just asked, then this situation wouldn't have come up.

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Max
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pay your employees a living wage and they wont have to steal rubbish bags.

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Mike Beck
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Theft is theft, regardless of the value and should be disciplined. But the scale of this particular action warrants nothing more than a warning that it's not allowed. Businesses hurting for help as much as they are, I doubt this was a model employee. Also, such a perfect employee who never did wrong would never have considered walking out with anything without asking. On the other hand, businesses do retain the right to shoot themselves in the foot if they want to.

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Lovin' Life
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stealing is stealing and is unacceptable. It doesn't matter if it a trash bag or a car. It's just plain wrong!!!

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MarieTDr
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are you familiar with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs? If a starving man steals a loaf of bread to feed his starving family, etc? You would let the man starve. I would offer him a loaf of bread.

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Elmie Pumpkinbush
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Kanuli
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crazy. Worked at a swiss chocolate factory, and guess what: people took tons of chocolate home. Usual rule was the line manager has to accept, and then it’s fine. Some weeks before christmas 100-200kg were missing 😂🤣

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, if it belongs to corporate/business owner/business? It's not yours. Ask a favor, whatever, but working STEM, believe me, those "little nothings" add up to a lot.

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Linny H
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you say " took 3 garbage bags" what you really mean is "stealing from the company he works for". What if the environment of the workplace was " hey! Take whatever you want"? The cost of that!! Let me remind you you that theft is built in to every single the you pay for at every store you shop at. Wouldn't it be nice if your friend bought his own damn trash bags??

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Mari Bryant
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, it's just "3 garbage bags", but what if each employee took "just 3"? He should have gotten a warning, but to be mad at the employer isn't right. They have instructions to follow as well, and are doing their job. If there is a zero tolerance on theft, they did what they had to do.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the UK at least, almost all McD's are a franchise so it's up to the manager to set all the rules, but as already stated the kid could have asked for them, the manager probably saw it as "what else is he taking when he wants to, or what else will he take later on? More importantly though, my brain still hurts from reading "posted notes", argh!!!!!

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April Stephens
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like many commenters, I stand by "all stealing is wrong" but because of scale "he should have just gotten an informal warning." I just want to point out how weird I think it is to take garbage bags home from work. I understand grabbing a pen to use and accidentally pocketing it instead of putting it back on the counter, or jotting a personal note on a Post-it, but deliberately carrying bags home for the particular purpose of getting rid of your old clothes? It's not socially acceptable. It's inappropriate like pumping hand soap from a public restroom into a ziplock bag to take home... Or helping yourself to a light bulb from a lamp at work... It's just not done!

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Vishy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of its office property never take it home. If you want to ask first. It might just be something ordinary, or inexpensive but it's still office property. Uou wouldn't like me take something from your home without asking you would you?

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square coats
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just gotta point out that one person said "this isn't s**t that's going in the bin anyway", but like uh technically yeah it is lol

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Hollie Marie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the issue is he didn't ask he just took which isn't acceptable. Alright I think firing him was the extreme but maybe they could have written him up and explained to the staff why they can't take those things because as someone pointed out it all adds up if everyone did it. I can't even take cardboard home without having to ask first

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Sinkvenice
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think firing him is too harsh but he should've received a warning. He didn't buy those garbage bags so helping himself to a few is essentially stealing. He should've asked first for permission instead of just taking it. He shouldn't have lost his job over it though, that's really dumb.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was 15, I worked at a bakery. We were allowed to eat anything we wanted, provided we logged it on “the munchie list.” At the end of her shift, my friend grabbed a couple cookies on her way out the door, held them up and said, “I’m taking these.” Owners saw her “running out the door with stolen cookies” and fired her the next day.

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BasedWang
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds petty, but is technically stealing and as a huge corp, Im sure it was written in their employee handbook which would give them the A-okay for the firing

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Marcellus II
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Reminds me of the Johnny Cash song, "One piece at a time", where he works in a Detroit car factory and steals a car part every day. So in the end he can build his entire car, struggling to bodge it together to make a '53 engine fit the '72 transmission etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18cW_yHo3PY

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buttonpusher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At my ex's job they steal everything. Bin bags, the food, screws, random machine parts.. One guy hasn't bought toilet paper for years because he swipes it all.

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Attila Ángyán
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe there was something else in the background and the manager was just looking for the opportunity to fire the guy? Just a guess, seen that before...

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Fatér Dezső
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

sometimes a bin bag costs lot more than you'd think, you pay the garbage collection company their services by buying bags from them, might be $10/bag, which includes the collection, handling and "proper" disposal of them. BUT in this case you'd have to warn your employees, because if a bag gets damaged, you can exchange it with the company and also they'll know it's valuable so they won't just take one.

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SB
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was a teenager there was sooo much I didn't know. I grew up in a very rural area and I'm a bit clueless besides. If he was an otherwise decent employee (even showing up when you say you will is fairly rare) I would have done a lot to keep him. Just let him know more about what is and isn't acceptable. If he did it again that's something else, but it sounds like he had no idea what he was doing could be construed badly.

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Pascale Pierloot
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He took something without explicit permission. That's more like not realizing you should ask before assuming it's yours for the taking. Was that even made clear that you should not take anything home that was considered property of the employer. It's also true that if everyone starts taking something home this could add up after a while. Still it doesn't really make it reason enough to get fired for it. They could have taken it out of his wages and put ample warning that nothing was to be taken home or he could maybe given them back too. Managers could also do with some courses on how to handle their staff and make sure there's a pleasant and jovial contact between all staffmembers. Putting down he is a thief is making sure he will not find another job anytime soon...That's not showing a lot of compassion and overkill.

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Donae Sommerfeld Lugo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you have a reliable employee who has had no performance or attendance issues, and rather than talking to him, you terminate him for "theft being theft." No. Absolutely not. I work in HR and if one of my managers came to me with that, I'd tell them to get a friggin brain and use common sense. You coach to that. You don't act like a monster. This is why they can't hire anyone.

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Aleksandra
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I took a lot of tea boxes from my workplace when i was leaving it.. It was great quality tea ordered basically specially for me by the owner himself. The other receptionist didn't drink that tea and had her own kind ordered for her x.x It was really nice workplace

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Donkey boi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I first moved out to live on my own, I took A LOT of things from work. Washing up liquid, Brillo pads, sponges, rubber gloves, bin liners, Tea, coffee, sugar, milk... you name it I took it. One day I get called into a meeting room and general manager is there with the head of HR both looking very serious! They tell me they think there is a thief in the building and asked me 'as the most trusted employee' to keep an eye out. I started planning my raids around the same time as new starters or peoples leaving dates (we had a high turnover of staff). About 5 months later I get called into a meeting again, GM & HR looking very angry. They tell me they are going to put a lock on the store cupboard and they want the GM and me to be the key holders. They were going to make me responsible for ordering the supplies and that would be the end of the matter! Only a month later and I get a phone call from the CEO saying he knew the GM was embezzling but couldn't prove it. Cont.....

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Donkey boi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The GM had cost all the staff their annual bonus. I told the CEO I could pin something on the GM but it would mean admitting I'd done something wrong. The CEO agreed he would let me off whatever it was provided he could find a reason to get the GM. I told him about all the supplies I'd taken and how me and GM are now the only key holders. I told him if he was will willing to back me then the only other possible culprit would be the GM. CEO agreed, and arranged to come in conference. The day prior, I raided the storeroom like I'd never done before. The day of the conference I gave the a Tour, including our "Fully stocked storeroom". At the end of the day I "noticed" the empty shelves and, as I had been in conference with the CEO all day it could only have been the GM. He was dismissed on the spot for stealing from the company and if he tried to contest then the CEO would involve the police and press charges.

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