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In a way, this post is basically the movie version of shower thoughts. Bear with me. After Twitter user @jazz_inmypants asked people to share bothering movie details that aren't common knowledge, his thread received quite a few interesting insights. For example, Grease (1978) might be described as a story that teaches you to change yourself until other people like you. And Belle's (Beuty and the Beast (1991)) neighbors are probably doing something shady if the village can support such an extensive bookstore when she's the only reader and doesn't even pay. The tweet by @jazz_inmypants has already received over 30K likes and 1K comments, many of which filmmaking students could definitely rework into term papers.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OMG This is so mine.... and the fact that Charlie PREFERRED to take Grandpa Joe rather than his Mum whose life was a depressing painful prison.... It just made me want to smack that kid.

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Altogether, a film can seem incredibly complicated, but the reasoning behind every decision nearly always comes down to how it is working with the story and how it is affecting the viewer. With that in mind, the New York Film Academy has prepared some tips for reviewing a film and coming up with your own insights.

Watch it. "Once is necessary twice is preferable," the academy wrote. "Taking notes is also a good idea and will help the writing process by making it easy to refer to your in-the-moment thoughts and reactions."

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because he wanted to look deferent than his foster apes. He shave his beard with his deceased father's knife every day.

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Express your initial thoughts and support your criticism. "Professional reviewers do not shy away from telling their readers whether they thought the movie was good bad or indifferent, and in fact readers come to rely on those reviewers whose tastes reflect their own when deciding whether or not to spend their time and money. Professional reviewers also have watched a lot of movies and can express why and how they came to their criticism. Be sure to back up your thoughts with specifics–a disappointing performance, a ridiculous plot, beautiful cinematography, difficult material that leaves you thinking, and so on."

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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, Santa does seem to only give expensive presents to rich kids, doesn't he? XD

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Evaluate the acting. "Many casual filmgoers will be inspired to see a movie if a favorite actor is in it, so you should probably spend a little space talking about the performances: seasoned actor in a new kind of role, brilliant performance from a rising star, excellence despite a lackluster script, dynamics in an ensemble, and so much more can be said about the actors in any given film."

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Give Harvey a break. He's been hospitalized, is missing half his face and is probably hopped up on sedatives. Of course he's going to have trouble recognizing that his nurse is the Joker.

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Directing, cinematography, special effects... This is where your inner film geek can really shine. Consider the highlights or missteps of directors, cinematographers, costume designers and CGI magicians. What worked, what surprised, what fell short of expectations, are all great questions to address.

It's also important to look at a film’s story from a structural viewpoint. Try to to keep in mind that the vast majority of films fall into the three-act structure: a beginning, middle, and end. It's not because the screenwriters are lazy, but because the formula simply works. In screenplays, the first thing you should look out for is the inciting incident. Generally, about 10 minutes into the film, there will be a moment that forces the protagonist to exit their comfort zone and start their journey towards a new goal. Around the thirty-minute mark, there is usually a major turning point. At this moment, the hero can't go back, that signals the beginning of the second act where the majority of the film will take place. Finally, around the ninety-minute mark, the second turning point will signal the film’s drive towards both its conclusion and resolution.

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Of course, some films don’t fit perfectly into the three-act structure, but the vast majority of films do and you can start to get a sense of when important moments or changes will occur when you know the general format.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did you know that this movie is based on the German book "Das doppelte Lottchen" from Erich Kästner? The girls are Luise and Lotte from Vienna and Munich respectively. The book was written around 1945 so the story makes much more sense regarding the timeframe. Today its stupid of course but back then it wasn't that easy to keep in contact when miles apart.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really hated his character and Andy's friends. They sure jumped at the chance to get some goodies for free, but also constantly critizised her and made fun of her for her new job. What a bunch of s**t friends. She should have severed ties with all of them.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One or both parents are actually dead or die during the movie. Some serious daddy/mommy-issues there at Disney

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This has always bothered me... Glad someone else picked it up.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They also don't tell you that Hera drove Hercules insane so that he kills his wife Megara and his 5 children

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, but he is supposed to be only 18 I think. Swayze is not 18, but neither is Jennifer Gray. 18 and 16 is not too bad.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

hmmm... do we know that in the original timeline Biff tried that? It was only because Marty was there that the two of them were parked, and Biff turned up. It's possible he didn't attack Lorraine in the original '55. Just a thought...

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is a YouTube channel dedicated to these little details in super hero films (and other). How It Should Have Ended. Very skillfully made funny videos.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And no one ever has a password on their phone. Anyone can just pick it up and see what they've been texting.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To be fair, the size of houses in most American movies and TV series' is ridiculous. A teacher and a nurse living in a massive house? No wonder immigrants think it's the place to be.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was to keep his mind relaxed and clear so he wouldn’t be in a panic when they arrived and instead could go full send on the booby traps

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jenny was broken from childhood. This may bother you but it happens a lot in real life so it's not unrealistic.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Disagree. The point of the whole movie was Bueller getting Frye to live beyond his fears.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still can't handle how so many of the retired Bella's could afford to just jet off to Denmark

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are actually a few good reasons why the eagle plan would have been a lot riskier. 1) The Ring has a will of its own and often drops from the grasp of whomever holds it. If, during flight, the Ring fell, the heroes would most likely never find it again before Sauron did -- especially if it fell over Mordor or the Dead Marshes. 2) While maybe not as strong as the Eagles in the air, the Ringwraiths are quite comfortable in the skies and I'm certain the Ringbearer would be less safe aloft than on the ground, where there are hiding places and escape routes. 3) As an intelligent race of Middle-Earth, the Eagles are as susceptible to the corrupting influence of the One Ring as any other. Discord would have been sown in the ranks of the Eagles and the Heroes, and that is another complication that Gandalf probably wouldn't have risked.

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Carol Emory
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And..in the books, they said that the Eagles were a neutral race that did not get involved in the affairs of other groups in Middle Earth. They wouldn't have gotten themselves involved until after the battles were over.

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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Eagles were not just some animals that Gandalf could do whatever he wanted with. They are their own race and while Gandalf was their friend he was not their master. Saving Frodo and Sam was a favour. It would have been a great risk to fly to Mordor, because Sauron would have seen them and sent the Nazguls after them. Going by ground gave Frodo and Sam cover they wouldn't have had in the air. All of this is better explained in the book. It would have been good if the script had done a bit more to explain the logic behind it.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do they actually mention the possibility in the books? Been a while since I've read them, I don't remember that part.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m so sick of hearing this ridiculous argument. First of all, why would you think the eagles would agree to fly into Mordor on a possible suicide mission? Second, the risk is too high. Sauron would undoubtedly see them coming and send the Nazgul after them. What if in the ensuing battle they dropped the Ring in Mordor? Would Frodo willingly give the Ring to them? A halfling is the one to stand - the prophecy matters. Jesus, get a grip with the eagles. Stop relying on the silly movies and read the books, the history, the languages, before you, a regular dumbass, start to believe you’ve discovered some massive loophole that a genius like Tolkien would overlook. F**k.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THIS! I get to annoyed when people bring up the Eagle thing, because Sauron wouldn't definitely just let them fly in??

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because, if you READ THE BOOK, you will see that the eagles are elusive and unreliable

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Christine Blackburne-Kowal
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It does discus this in The Hobbit. The eagles where a proud race that strictly preferred not to much about in the afairs of other races. They could not be looked to for help. Now TOM BOMBADIL ... ;0) LOTR FANS ...

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Super nerd comment from me, they do consider Tom Bombadil in the council but say he doesnt recognise the importance of the ring and would most likely lose it as it has no power over him...although Tom doesnt really fit into LOTR much in tone and purpose, Tolkien probably only put him in as his character was one of the first stories he wrote and appears in a few shorts and poems before he wrote hobbit etc.. For reference he was originally envisioned as a spirt of the (english) countryside, one of the few actual analogies Tolkien intended. He was pretty clear that LOTR was not a metaphor for war or facisim or anything else, just a story and the reader could read into it whatever they wished. Unlike his mate CS Lewis and his heavy jesus banter...

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The point was to stay undetected from Sauron. That's why a creature so petite and insignificant had to do this task without the too obvious huge flying eagles. The eagles would ruin the element of surprise whilst Aragorn was attacking the hordes of Sauron in the Black Gates.

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Carol Emory
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So my comment was deleted because it made sense. Perhaps people need to read the books to understand why the movies went in the direction they did..because the book explains why they couldn't take the Rocs (not eagles.)

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Natasha Alber
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This WAS brought up in the books. The reason is that the eagles said NO! They wouldn't take them any closer to Mordor than they did.

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Lauren Caswell
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you Natasha! Ppl always complain about the eagles but it's bn dealt with! Also, they already rescued them from the burning trees, the book is the hobbit not the eagles lol

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe that the most common explanation for this one is that the Gandalf doesn't really have the ability to call on/summon the Eagles. They just kinda show up when they feel like helping. Another theory is that Gandalf had a plan in place that would have involved meeting up with the Eagles at some point, but didn't tell anyone else because Wizard logic. Then he got killed by the Balrog and no one else knew about this plan so they just continued on in whatever way they could.

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Carol Emory
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because Sauron's eye would have seen them making the trip by air and strike them down before they reached their destination. The idea was for them to travel under the radar. And they're Rocs...not Eagles.

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Marnee DeRider
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is such an old question, and there are actually legitimate reasons.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you all of you!!! This is not a "big plot hole" it has several very reasonable explanations!

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Big Bang Theory ask this question first. They also compared it to Wizard of Oz.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Clint Eastwood in The Mule was a LILY aficionado. The whole reason he became a drug mule was because he lost his business where he grew LILIES. All he did was grow prize-winning LILIES, to the extent that he bailed on his only child's wedding.The daughter he named IRIS. (NB: I know irises are a type of lily, but come on...!)

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nope. The Nazgul did not mount the flying creatures till Glorfindel (Arwen in the movies) drowned their horses, which was way after Frodo left the Shire.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Biggest thing that annoys me about LOTR is the journey they make. All through the first 2 1/2 films you can see Mount Doom some way off in the distance and they never seem to get any closer to it. Then suddenly towards the end of the third film they are there.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You never have had to walk a long distance, and never have lived in an area which wasn't fairly polluted. You can see tall mountains on a clear day at least 150 Mi. A normal person walks, of a good day, about 15-20 miles. If the ground is broken, no roads or trails, it's more like 10 or less. That's two weeks or more, and that's without all the issues of dodging orcs, and other hostile forces, and they weren't walking directly to Mt Doom. Furthermore, they weren't seeing Mt Doom, they were seeing the mountains surrounding Mordor. They only saw Mt Doom after they crossed those mountains (all the Shelob scenes). Also, Frodo wasn't seeing Mt Doom, he was having visions of Mt Doom. Finally, the Middle Earth may have been flat. meaning that you could see a lot farther than on earth. So they could have seen Mt Doom for hundreds of miles.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. In the LOTR Gandalf can set up major fires just saying aloud few commanding words. . What excactly would you expect to happen those feathered fire-ball candidates when flying valiantly in airspace controlled by all-seeing eye of an even more powerful entity..

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't even have to read the books to know flying on the Eagles is a bad idea.... c´mon, people. It's like you dont think about the implications of anything.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

*deep breath* I could go on and on about this, but this video by Film Theory explains it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMXX2YsrxsE (not counting the intro of course)

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's amazing me how thin skinned people are when you post something that explains their stupidity and instead of saying "Oh...now I see" and deleting the post..they delete your comment. Mikey..if you posted this and you're the one that keeps deleting my explanations of why they never took the Eagles (actually Rocs) to Mordor..then you need to get a life dude.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Supernatural so many problems but the one that constantly annoys me Is that every single time they finally find a monster the monster kicks their asses ....is there no growth

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

doesn' Gandalf tell them to fly you fools when he falls with the balrog

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Elena Martinez
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going on a quest is character building. The Whitest Kids you Know did a very funny skit on this..that would be very politically incorrect today(look it up)

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Silly question, 'cuz there would have been no way Gollum would've been able to follow an eagle in flight. . . unless of course he'd been able to grab a tail feather. . .

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Silly question, 'cuz that would only have been a 10 minute movie instead of 3 hours. . .

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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean, obviously this was an oversight on Tolkien's behalf, but I can imagine three scenarios that would account for it. 1) Gandalf plain forgot about the eagles. 2) Gandalf worried some of the eagles might betray the ring bearer. 3) Sauron keeps a close eye on the eagles (they are old foes after all) and it was only the fight with Aragorn that let them leave their roosts without being intercepted.

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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was inspired to get geeky and read up on this. There is a fourth possible scenario. Canonically the Great Eagles were sent by the gods to observe evil, not directly intervene. Like Gandalf, they cannot use their full power to simply make evil disappear, they can only offer minor help so the mortals save themselves.

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they shoulda been flying those damn eagles everywhere, who's going to war on horseback when you can fly on a damn giant eagle. i didn't see any of their horses grabbing orcs with their big scary HOOVES!

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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First..not Eagles, they're Rocs. Second...why would you obviously fly into a dangerous area where you can seen by everyone..including an all seeing evil eye? Wouldn't you rather stay under the radar? After all..Navy Seals and special forces teams could be dropped off at the front door of dictators and ruthless war criminals, but they wouldn't be so stupid because they open themselves to get taken out before completing their mission. Nothing nerdy about that.

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There is some nerd explanation you can probably find on reddit or youtube. The logical one is- a) the plot of the books/ movies had to happen or b) Tolkien wrote himself in a corner, but didn't want to kill off Frodo.

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