Leaving your home state isn’t easy. Changing jobs is tough. Moving houses is not something I’d recommend trying out for fun.

Imagine what a whole different experience it is to leave the country altogether. With your friends and fave coffee place far behind, new life begins, posing as many challenges as opening new horizons.

But we can never step into the shoes of ex-American residents without letting them speak for themselves. Luckily, a redditor u/whizzythorne put up a question asking “Ex-Americans of Reddit, how has your life changed since moving out of the US?” on the r/AskReddit subreddit, giving us a better idea of everything that waits there on the other side of the world.

The answers are in down below and they surely give a lot of food for thought.

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#1

I an an American living in Sweden. I have lived here for 34 years and I love it. The weather is crap but otherwise everything is great.

Almost free healthcare. My 2 c-sections cost me 0 money. 0! A visit to the doctor otherwise is like 10 dollars.

Free school with free lunch. Amazing lunch!

I have 7 weeks off from work a year. And many great benefits such as healthcare extra money (300dollars /year) to spend on a gym membership or other health related activities.

My kids are at daycare every day. I pay around 150 dollars a month. And I pay the highest amount because I have a fairly high income. The people who make less pay a lot less. Like 50 dollars a month. The daycares are wonderful with a curriculum and great organic food an awesome outdoor areas.

I have lived almost my whole life I Sweden but have lived in Chicago and LA as an adult.

Nothing compares to Sweden. And my American dad who moved here when he was 30 say the same.

But the weather sucks!

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Noez 🇸🇪
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4 months ago

I can confirm the weather does indeed suck. Also, we love to complain about it. It's a rule.

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#2

American that immigrated to Canada here,

I’m no longer surrounded by political extremists all the time. In America, a huge chunk of going to work was arguing with idiots that thought the world was 6000 years old, Trump was some kind of savior and I was a stupid millennial that would understand that all of this is true when I’m older. In Canada, most conversations with people at work are about what happened on the weekend.

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Ami Temi
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4 months ago

Awww, I love Canada and everything about it! The difference must be so liberating and I can imagine that one can be much happier with so much more positivity.

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#3

Uh, I'm still American. I'm definitely never giving up my citizenship.

I moved to France at the end of 2017. My husband is French, and with Trump getting elected it made more sense for me to move there than for him to come to the US.

It has really opened my eyes to the rest of the world. I feel like America is in this weird bubble of being hyper focused on ourselves. My knowledge of history, politics, and different cultures has jumped considerably. I've met people from so many different countries that it truly amazes me.

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Ana Arena
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4 months ago

This is what we always told you!! You are really hyper focused on yourselves to the point you dont know nothing about the rest of the world. In Europe that kind of exchange is normal!

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It’s not entirely clear how many American citizens live abroad, but the Association of American Residents Overseas reported that an estimated 8.7 million Americans were living abroad in 2016. The number today is likely to be much greater.

The AARO has also stated that among the most popular destinations are the Western hemisphere and Canada, Central and South America, which make up to 40% of emigrants.

Other destinations include Europe with 26%, as well as East Asia and the Pacific with 24%, which is the same as the Middle East.

#4

Moved to Switzerland 5 years ago. The biggest difference is that there is more vacation time and higher salaries. This causes lower stress in general—people are always talking about their next holiday. In fact it’s hard to get together with friends sometimes because someone is always on holiday!

Less road rage and better drivers and public transit goes absolutely everywhere. We drive much less here and didn’t have a car for the first three years.

Subsidized pre-school (spielgruppe). No school on Wednesdays. Two hour lunch breaks. All the shops are closed on Sundays and holidays.

No Mexican food :(

We cook a lot more because eating out is incredibly expensive. We also lost about 10 lbs each from walking everywhere / eating better.

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Francis
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4 months ago

live in switzerland, can confirm :D everything is a bit more expensive but the quality is great :D i love living here (original from germany..)

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#5

American in Canada for about 15 years now.

F**kin' love it up here bud.

Canada is truly what America is supposed to be. I know that this is going to rankle the MAGA crowd, but I feel a hell of a lot freer up here than I ever did in the States.

Canada's not perfect, but they f**king try - and compared to the US, they get a lot closer to being right on a lot more things, in my opinion.

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Pete H
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4 months ago

As a Kid, America seemed like this amazing place that you needed to go to. As an adult, I'd take Canada any day. A few weeks of seeing the news, my kids no longer want to go to Disney world or Grand Canyon.

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#6

I'm living in Germany. What I love is the city is designed for people. There's a park every couple of blocks, the sidewalks are super wide and well maintained, bike lanes are well observed by drivers, well marked, everything. Going to the doctor is awesome. I rarely need to go but they can fit me in right away, write referrals, and I still don't know what I paid. I never want to live in the US again. Not till they fix the system. Germany has 2 or 3 months of paid sick leave and it's super difficult to fire an employee. I have this ease and peace of mind. I don't have to worry about illness or injury ruining my life. I really miss salsa, fish tacos, and dill pickles but the finest chocolate is cheaper than the US cheap stuff. I'll accept that trade. Oh, other bonus: groceries are subsidized. It's about 20% cheaper to buy good food. Seeing the affordable food prices reminds me I'm living in a government that cares about its people. I can live without a car, I can fly all over Europe for super cheap. We travel once a month now. I feel like I'm living an extravagant lifestyle but our income hasn't increased that much.

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Dee Hunter
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4 months ago

Where in Germany does this person live that there are no dill pickles? Try your friendly supermarket next door, they probably have a shelf with at least ten varieties of pickles - including dill.

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Bored Panda reached out to Jessica Cutrufello, the creator of the blog A Wanderlust For Life, who is passionate about European food, travel, and expat life, to find out more about the ups and downs of moving to live abroad.

Jessica was born and raised in the mountains of Virginia, then moved to very flat Amsterdam in the summer of 2014 and never looked back.

She recounted the life-changing decision: “Confident [her husband] would get work quickly, we sold everything, packed a couple of bags, and moved to Amsterdam in temporary housing until we figured it all out.” It took some luck, planning, and desperation of wanting to stay and the couple now owns their first home in Amsterdam.

#7

My quality of life has increased 1,000 fold. I am surrounded by much more intelligent people who are much more responsible to not only their fellow man, but also great lovers of animals. I have never been treated with such respect in my life as since I've lived here. I have never before seen a people take such good care of their children. I have never before seen a people love and respect animals as I have witnessed here. I'm in love with the west side of Turkey.

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Ami Temi
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4 months ago

Turkey is a beautiful country with amazing people! You sound so happy and I'm happy for you!!!

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#8

Not an ex-American (I don't think that very many US citizens abroad would identify as "ex-Americans"), but a US citizen and cultural American living abroad. The biggest systemic difference I notice (8 years abroad, mostly in Germany) is that people here do not discuss:

1. The cost of studying

2. Medical expenses (at all. At all. Just imagine this.)

3. Whether or not they should see a doctor or dentist for a problem

4. The fear of losing their jobs

5. Getting a third job

6. The s**t hitting the fan on a personal economic level

7. The guilt of taking two days off work in a row to recover from illness

Instead, people discuss:

1. Politics and economics, on a high, evidence-based, internationally-minded level. Of course, people bitch about how dumb their local representatives are and whatever stupid thing someone said at a press conference, but there is so much more content-based discussion over a historical perspective.

2. Family and friends

3. Hobbies and travel

4. Books

5. You get the idea

Of course there are exceptions, but generally the basic well-being of the people in Germany is so secure that there is much more breathing room for average people to engage in completely different discussions. In the beginning it was frustrating. I often thought that everyone here was whining about pointless first-world problems, but now I see that it is a massive luxury. As a result, I would argue that the national discourse is healthier and more relevant. Germany has its issues, but it still feels utopian to me.

Keeping in mind that I moved from the US to Germany, I absolutely cannot fathom what it is like moving between two countries of vastly different economic and social levels

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4 months ago

let's say you are an immigrant

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#9

Moved to Japan 7 years ago. It's nice to finally have health care and to be able to actually afford medicine / the hospital when I need it. The language barrier was a little steep at first, but luckily my first job here afforded me plenty of time to study.

Also, it's really nice to be able to go for a walk or explore the woods and not have to worry about someone shooting me. I have never felt safer than I do in this country. It's a surreal experience.

I miss real pizza and decent hamburgers though.

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elia 84631
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4 months ago

But it's better that what McDonald's offer

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Jessica said that she truly misses her “local creamery's milk and ice cream.” Also, she said she would like to be able “to pick up A1 steak sauce in the supermarket.” However, she appreciates social norms better in the Netherlands. “It's a culture that's direct, which is incredibly refreshing. There's also more inherent trust all around.”

The travel blogger and expat life enthusiast has also said that “Even though our taxes are way higher, we feel safer, we feel more taken care of, and we are able to travel around Europe quickly and easily because we have an airport that's a main hub and super close to our house.”

In comparison, it used to take the family 2 hours to drive to the airport when they lived in Virginia.

#10

Great! Moved to Canada after Trump was elected. Never looked back. More and more I feel like it was the right choice.

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Mike Crow
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4 months ago

The issue here is not that a president he dislikes got elected, but rather that president is causing (or not stopping) several issues that are affecting the American people’s lives a very negative way.

arjelio mas
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4 months ago

That's a big part of it. The other 70% is the freedom to exercise their stupidity that the "president" unleashed in the people as "smart" as he is.

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Lisa Chambers
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4 months ago

Ah so some people DID leave! Can you possibly send this note to a few that promised and never left? We need a break.

William Clark
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4 months ago

Good stay there.

Debbie Archimedes
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4 months ago

Dont miss you at all!

Wouldn't You Like to Know
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4 months ago

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So glad you and your type are gone. Did you take Rosie with you or is that fat bitch still in the USA?

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if your reason for leaving was politics, then you won't like canadian politics much more either. Seriously.... you have this wonderful country of great opportunity in front of you and your overwhelming take on it is trump !!!. so will you move back to the US when trump leaves office?? .. I dont think so. Canada is a wonderful country with flaws like any other ( I've lived there), but to see your presence there through political lens is to delude yourself.

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#11

Like most ppl here, still American, just live in Australia. I am so much happier and less stressed than in America. My employer treats me with respect, no doctors notes, no guilt trip if I want to see my kid run in the school sports carnival.

I went from being the right wing Republican my parents raised me to be to a huge advocate for universal healthcare and sensible gun control because I live in a country where both have been implemented and both have improved the lives of the people who live here.

Also, preferential voting us amazing and I think it is superior to first past the post.

Everything is a bit more expensive here. That's the biggest downside.

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Sasy
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4 months ago

I love this one...child of single parent in Oz, greatest memory is being at the sports carnival, middle of week day and looking up to see my Mum who left work for a few hours to see me. 40 years on, still a great day.

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#12

I'm not even close to as worried about the Coronavirus as if I still lived in the US. I live in Germany now.

I also eat much smaller portions. Not because I want to eat less in general, but because Americans eat giant food portions.

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Dynein
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4 months ago

From what I heard, it's not just portion size but also how much calories the food has per... volume or whatever. I know a few people who've been to the US, and they don't just talk about the portion size, they also talk about how they ate a small portion even by German standards (like, a single cookie) and felt full and could go on for hours and hours without food before even feeling remotely hungry again.... I swear a lot of people in America could probably lose weight eating the same amount of food but in a different country...

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The biggest thing that Jessica she didn’t realize she was worrying about until the family moved to the Netherlands was the healthcare. “We don’t have to worry about it anymore.”

Jessica also revealed that she finds it very refreshing and time-saving that Dutch people are extremely direct. “Americans often see it as rude, which I totally understand, because many of us are taught to walk on eggshells, tell little white lies to make people not feel bad, and just dance around every possible issue,” the woman explained.

#13

I no longer have to determine if I'm sick enough to go to the doctor or ER because of costs. Medical treatment here is almost entirely covered by taxes, and it's an amazing feeling after living in the US. I won't lose my savings if I get cancer or have a car accident. If I don't feel well, I just pop down to my doctor for a free visit. (Yes, I know nothing is truly free.)

I have more free time and less stress. Work-life balance is valued more here. No one questions or cares if I take a sick day or need time to go to an appointment. I'm able to pursue hobbies and have a decent social life without other areas of my life being impacted. Life is just more laid back. It took me about five years to adjust to it, but I've fully embraced it now. When I visit the US, I'm always very glad that I no longer live there.

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Karin Jansen
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4 months ago

Where are you living at the moment?

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#14

Moving back to the US after 6 years away was harder than moving away. My mind set changed. I appreciate national health care, gun control, a more open mindset to other cultures. It was hard coming back and not having these things and not having people who think in the middle and not the extreme.

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If you appreciate gun control then please leave again...

#15

Life in New Zealand is amazing. The work-life balance feels, you know, balanced, and I've had many more opportunities to go traveling (ironically, since NZ is about as far as possible from anywhere else).

But the biggest change is probably becoming a parent. New Zealand offers free IVF to citizens/permanent residents (if they meet qualifying criteria) - I would not have been able to afford treatment in the US.

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RaroaRaroa
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4 months ago

I don't think it's free for an endless number of times though.

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#16

Still American, but I have lived in England for 16 years.

I have a better job here than what I did in the US and free healthcare.

The weather can be a downer, especially when I have to take the dog for a walk. And I have to take vitamin d supplements.

I have some great friends and a boyfriend, 2 cats a dog, car and a flat. before I left the US I was in retail and recently divorced. With maybe 1 friend and I was living with my Mom.

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Ian Milne
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4 months ago

I don’t get why you would need vitamin D supplements for the UK. Sure there’s plenty of cold and wet days, but there’s more than enough sunlight to negate the need for supplements. I’m from the UK, we’re not all walking around bow legged due to the rickets we’re suffering from!

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#17

I've lived in a few countries outside of the US: Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Georgia (the republic)

Main everyday benefits are public transportation is really easy, convenient, and cheap to use every day. I also eat out a lot more because it's much cheaper and more relaxed.

I haven't had to deal with health stuff much, but when I have, it's awesome and life changing. For example, I recently partially dislocated my shoulder and am able to afford out of pocket service at one of the best physical therapists in my city. In the US, I can't afford insurance and would just not see a doctor since it isn't extremely painful or life threatening.

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RaroaRaroa
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4 months ago

Maybe this is what's behind so much anger in the US these days. The reason people go off at each other so easily is because they're in physical pain because they don't go and get it seen to. Being in pain all the time would really put you on edge.

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#18

My life is good. I expected the language and culture. Didn't expect that I'd be happier here honestly, but I'm happier and can smile more. Moved US to Germany.

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Karin Lange
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4 months ago

I am glad to read this. Enjoy your time here. :-)

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#19

I moved from America to Northern England around early December last year to finally live with my ldr spouse and partner of 6 years. I can say with confidence that I have gone to get doctor visits MULTIPLE times in the past couple of months at basically no cost, it's pretty surreal and awesome. Also, the food in general is much better, as far as quality and taste goes, but you have to go shopping every few or couple of days because they don't last on the shelf for as long. I also really like how public transport is EVERYWHERE, it's not always perfect (buses often are late and even broke down once), but it's a step up from having no car in the USA and being helpless lol.

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George-Florin Constantin
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4 months ago

Food not lasting for very long means it hasn't been treated with preservatives or iradiated or genetically engineered.

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#20

I can see a much needed therapist for free. Even though it was a whole process. It's still f**king free. I will have to go on mood stabilizers soon. Free. I get chronic migraines. They are debilitating. I stay home. I still get payed. I took a month of Vacation time last year. Still get payed. My last job in the states I had 5 sick days a year. 5 vacation days a year. Honestly the worker rights in my current country (and most) need to still be improved drastically. But the US is a different kind of wage slavery.

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Ami Temi
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4 months ago (edited)

Reading all these posts, I can imagine these people being baffled by the differences and now seeing the insanity of the system in the USA. That system is poisoning everyone. Keeping their countrymen stupid and having worries all the time that shouldn't be there, stops the average American from thinking about it or knowing that they can easily have a better life. In a country where there's so much talk of God and patriotism, a few have a paradise, while the rest seems to be stuck in a purgatory for their entire lives. No wonder Americans are stressed out, obese and out of touch with the world... Plus, working more hours doesn't make the system more productive or the people more hard working, while people who receive a positive attitude from their employer and are not burnt out, are more productive in our normal 38-40 h/week. I'd rather pay +/- 40% income taxes in my country and be secure, than paying a significant amount and not getting anything in return like an average Joe in the USA. A small step towards improvement would be not voting again for the guy who thinks he owns the world. Even though Biden Is far from perfect, he's still a hundred times better as a person or politician!

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#21

Newly minted ex-pat. Just coming up on my first year in Europe.

Pros --

• public transportation. We don't have a car and have rarely even had the need for it. When we do, we can always grab a Vozilla (or similar)

• healthcare -- just went for an annual checkup. Had a dr consult, EKG, full blood work/labs -- out of pocket was $9 USD. My wife just spent 9 days in the hospital, lots and lots of testing. Total OOP for that was $0. Knowing that, when you leave the hospital or doctor's office, you will never get a bill in the mail is so liberating, it's really hard to oversell how big of a relief that is.

• Food -- much fresher and more flavorful from the markets and cheaper in the restaurants

• Beer is much cheaper and flavorful

Cons --

• Not knowing the language is tough. I'm still able to get through the day, but it's a lot tougher than it has to be and I plan on getting lessons very soon.

• As others have stated, shopping is usually done at much smaller "bodega" type stores so you might have to go to a few stores to get all the ingredients for a single meal

• Just about everything is closed on Sundays (except the last Sunday of the month), so you have to plan accordingly

Overall, it's been a very positive experience and I don't plan on going back to live in the states

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Francis
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4 months ago

why do you want to go grocery shopping on sundays? just enjoy your free day :D if you work in shifts you will have plenty of other days to go shopping :D

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#22

Amazing. We save a nice amount of money. The advertisements here are of useful everyday things. Overabundance is absurd in the US. Exercise is not a gym or a pill it's just walking to get groceries. Or just being outside to walk to a cafe. The food is way better. Not full of chemicals. Fresh food tastes like its supposed to.

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RaroaRaroa
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4 months ago

I wish these people would say where they are.

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#23

I've lived in several different countries so the changes were different in each one. The one major/constant one is that I travel a lot more now. Not because I have some sort of passion for travel or because I feel like I missed out on it living in the US (I traveled a lot as a kid). It's just so damn easy, that it's not even much of a thought. Traveling outside of your state is a hassle but outside of the U.S., that's a major trip. Traveling to a neighboring country now is a 1-2 hour train and I am in a completely different culture, with a different language, different food, etc.

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Mimi777
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4 months ago

My parents grew up in an Eastern Europe country my mom always tells me stories about how she and her cousin would travel to Italy, or Greece or wherever on the weekends and it was so much fun.

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#24

I moved to Canada in 2013, so not a drastic change culturally. The biggest difference is that I was able to build myself as a freelancer and artist without the fear that I wouldn't have health insurance. I was able to join a union pretty easily and I get all kinds of supplemental perks from that. Things are more expensive here, but even accounting for the currency conversion I make triple what I did in the same job in my home state.

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#25

I was living in Hong Kong for a few years but returned due to the protests.

The best things were public transit, having fast, reliable public transit and just getting on a double-decker bus after work and spacing out on my phone or jumping on a train and being on a beautiful mountain ready to hike within 40 minutes was amazing.

The food was incredible. I think a lot of westerners go and get pizza or pasta or whatever they're used to but it's expensive and not very good. The little dumpling shops and random Sichuan noodle places though can't be beat.

And of course healthcare. There's an inexpensive public option that you have to wait for and also an expensive private option that still has to compete with the public option. So the prices aren't bad at all even with the private doctors and you get something for the extra cost. I never waited more than a couple minutes for a scheduled appointment and the care was far superior to anything I've ever dealt with in the US.

A visit for food poisoning and flu ran me $45 USD with prescriptions. $80 USD for the dentist. $700 usd for 3 months of concerta and a meeting with a specialist. Now I'm back in the US, my wife had to go to an appointment at the nicer local hospital. We waited for an hour in a dirty waiting room with furniture that's falling falling apart for a scheduled appointment that lasted all of 15 minutes, and talked to the doctor for just 2 minutes. $650 without any medications.

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AlphaPuck
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4 months ago

So you lived in the most free part of China, but left when people there protested Mainland china from taking over to be communist, so you came back to the US, where dipshits are protesting Freedom and wanting communism. Makes sense.

#26

Left the US years ago. Still an American (since it's a long process to get new citizenship and I like having options)

I moved to Japan. I was able to buy a house in the countryside that was a decent price. I'm able to afford a house, a car and a kid on a single income. I can afford going to the doctor which is cool.

For the most part, it's easy to get Western media such as Netflix and Disney deluxe.

Food is crazy expensive. Like a $1 for a single apple or heaven forbid if I want watermelon

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nanashi
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4 months ago

watermelon is mostly to brag how much money you have leftover that you can afford a watermelon, is what I'm told by some Japanese exchange students some years ago. I thought they were just messing with me though...

#27

I enjoy not getting harassed on the street by random strangers, even in a country where I stick out as a foreigner like a sore thumb. People leave each other alone, with the exception of the occasional drunk old man or generally rude ***hole (everywhere in the world's got at least a few). Civilized societies are nice.

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Nicola Roberts
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4 months ago

This is interesting. I don't remember the post, but an American was proud of the friendly, outgoing nature of strangers especially in the South. He was comparing it the impersonal unobtrusive chat found in Europe. As a European, if you're not walking a dog, smiling and eye contact is just weird! x

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#28

Dual citizen. 20 years in Nz. Some positives are: plenty of work, don't have to worry about health insurance or paying for an ambulance, gun control ( I grew up hunting). Also when there is a major issue the country needs to decide, we have referendums. They mail out a voting form and you tick yes or no on the issue and post back. I dont remember doing this in the states. Some negatives are: house prices are pretty high. NZ is Sooo far away from anywhere, I've only been home 4 times for a 2 week visit. My parents missed out on my kids childhood.

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Sue Hazlewood
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4 months ago

Bet it feels good to be Sooo far away at the moment though huh?

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#29

I'm an expat American, which is not an "ex-American." I left the US in the 1980s.I've always had healthcare, as have my kidd. I've had 4 operations myself and my kids have had another 4 in total, and I never paid a penny for them.I've had sick days at every job I've ever had. Jobs must pay transportation costsI've been able to pay my bills without writing a check for decades. Most are done by direct order these days.My salary is directly deposited in my bank once a month. Taxes are automatically deducted.I don't have to pay for incoming cellphone calls.Most official things are done by text these days. For example, when I get a package, the post office notifies me by text rather than sending a slip.

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George-Florin Constantin
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4 months ago

All this is just normal stuff in Europe. Isn't it the same in the US?

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#30

I am a Norwegian-American and I have lived in Iceland, Norway, and the Faroe Islands. I am now living in Moscow, Russia, waiting for my residency to be processed. The main change from moving from the States to Russia is the availability to great health care without buying health insurance. I had an MRI done for $20 and they gave me a thumb drive of the scans so I can take it to whichever other clinic I might want to. Then I had 3 ultrasounds during one session, with blood work, and it all only cost around $45 dollars. These appointments were all done on the same day I called to make them and within a 5 mile radius of my home. This was all with a private healthcare clinic too, which is more expensive than just the State run healthcare. So yeah, it's amazing to have that. It's also nice to be able to buy a nice apartment and Summer house without taking a mortgage. I'll just add that life in Russia is much more similar to the United States than it ever was while living in the Nordic countries that I had lived in.

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Lady Phoenixx
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4 months ago

Human rights in Russia are atrocious.banning gay marriage,making people disappear the list goes on

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