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Controversial Comic Reveals What You’re Really Saying When You Support Gender Equality, But Not Feminism
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Controversial Comic Reveals What You’re Really Saying When You Support Gender Equality, But Not Feminism

Gender equality is the state in which access to rights or opportunities is unaffected by gender. Feminism is the advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. As you can see from this funny cartoon by Nathan Yaffe from CollegeHumor however, even though the two terms share many similarities, some people have very different ideas about what they actually mean.

While feminism is fundamentally about gender equality, some folks think that true equality can only come about by oppressing and persecuting men in the same way that men have done to women throughout history. It makes for a funny cartoon, but in reality it’s important to remember that this is far from what gender equality actually means! Do you think the artist made his point? Let us know in the comments below. (h/t: collegehumor)

People had some pretty strong opinions about the cartoon

What do you think?

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Aaaa Bbbb
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This cartoon illustrates the danger in trying to encapsulate a philosophy in a catchy name. No one's beliefs are cookie-cutter enough to fit a label.

Margie Lazou
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comic has hit the nail on the head. Feminism is fighting for equal treatment and equal rights, not worsening the treatment towards men or going eye for an eye. It's for raising the standard for women, not lowering the standard for men.

Linda Selto
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like the way these cartoons show the difference between true feminism which is about gender equality.....raising the standard for women not lowering the standard for men or getting back at them for the sins of their fathers.

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June Pixeld
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes people get more focused on terms than the concept itself.How are we ever going to really find the answers when we cannot agree on the language used to formulate the question..

Laury M.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While there should be more focus on the actual issues, don't forget that words have weight as well. From what I've seen - and my experience is limited - people who tend to vocally reject the term feminism also tend to minimize the issues that women face, and feel like we're much closer to actual equality than we currently are. That is a problem, because how do you want to truly help a cause when you're unable to recognize the depths of the issues?

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Me.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I say I'm for gender equality I think nothing CLOSE to this! Some crazies might and some feminists do.

Adriana E. Henricy
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are extremists in everything. But you can't judge the whole movement just for a few! Feminism is about equality for the sexes, gender, sexuality, race, religion! It's more broad than just that :)

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KK
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh wow this comic really backfired. It looks like some people are fighting to oppress men. But in fact this is a comic FOR feminism and AGAINST calling it gender equality. It's an argument about the name of the movement.

celebriank
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Too many women use the term "feminist" to oppress men and put women above men in all situations. That's not what feminism is supposed to be about. It's supposed to be about gender equality. It pisses me off SO MUCH when I hear someone say ,"I'm a feminist" and then go on to say how women should be superior in more than one sense.

stella
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not trying to defend anyone but...but when I was a kid air didn't want to be a Feminist. Why? Because I thought that people who promoted or declared themselves as Feminists were Bossy. I felt this because I studied at an All-Girls School and I was bullied and treated as an Outcast by Girls. I, for some reason have always gotten along better with the Male Sex. But then I realised that I could be a better version of people I met. I can be assertive without being arrogant, I never gossip and never Bitch about any man or women. This is just a note to every women out there. We are our BIGGEST enemies. We need to be more accepting and less judgemental about other women and men. If a woman aborts or if she doesn't - support her anyways,it's her life. If a Woman-gains or loses weight, divorces or marries, eat 2 whole pizzas or goes on a diet, is a chauffeur or a doctor, is white or black or red or blue...just accept her. We have a right to our own lives,and how to live them is our decision

Karen Klinck
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mark: I hate to point this out, but there is at least one movement that DOES call for white people to be enslaved. At one point Louis Farakan had a movement going, and that is exactly what he was proposing.

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Jennifer Baker
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So blah blah whine whine, what's people's problem with this? Any man who says he's oppressed by women's rights is either stupid or full of shit. Period.

Adarious Mistdancer
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell that to a guy that gets passed up for a job simply based on a female applying as well..seen it (part of the liberal PC effect...check Google's recent story to see what happens when an employee speaks up). Tell that to the father who gets divorced and has his butt handed to him by the court and no chance of custody as it is biased towards the mother (even my mother saw this and took action to make it more fair to them both). I might also add that in today's atmosphere...it's only sexist if it's against a woman. There is no situation I've ever seen where anything anyone can say or do would be considered 'sexist' against a man...nothing. Oh I almost forgot one. All a woman has to do these days is 'claim' a guy did something (over the phone or otherwise) to authorities and they take it as fact. I fell victim to that shortly after my dad died .. and it was later debunked...but not until going through a whole lot of crap in the process.

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Lyric Karter
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

thiscomic isa clear representation of sarcasm that also doubles into a whatif scenario ifmen were treated as women. Some are exaggerated tho

bianca johnson
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's exactly what I saw! It's really weird how differently we read things

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zef rose
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just wish people would stop and think for one moment: All those things (that are so funny when reversed) actually HAPPENED to women for many many centuries, and in many places in the world, are still happening.

Sarah White
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They AREN'T funny when reversed, that's the point. It's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable and realise that discriminating men also isn't the right way to go (...obviously) but yes, that is why feminists exist in the first place! To help out all of those people!

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Giuliano Taverna
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This comic is awesome, as a student of history it pretty much nails every aspect of the historical oppression of women and turns it on its head. Its utterly subversive and its exactly what is needed to counter the toxic absurdity of anti feminist bloggers and "activists."

Daniel Real
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where does it "hit the nail"? I didn’t see any women going to war, or working in all the shitty and dangerous jobs, becoming 97% of a the job fatalities, neither I saw women being the majority of the homeless people, having almost no shelters available for them while men have way more shelters regardless of being less affected by homelessness. This comic just cherry-picks what the author considers to be the “oppression of women” while pretending men always got the best deal in society. A complete miss in my opinion.

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Adriana E. Henricy
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol I get this, its funny. But its also confusing for a lot of people, the "real gender equality" person is saying to literally reverse the roles, so both genders have had good times and bad times for equal. But thats not gonna happen and its not what feminists want :P

Allie Orona
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...That's the thing. People are more extreme about feminism, making it ridiculed. I don't care what we call it. I don't care how we do it. Can't we just love and respect one another?? It's not that hard, especially on an individual level. Don't choose a candidate BECAUSE they're a male or female, choose them for their credentials, for their individual traits - and those traits don't include things like gender, race or height. It's about what they do, what they've experienced and who they are inside. Individualism, not about being different from the crowd, but individualism about seeing people for who they are and not what they look like.

Jazz Akins
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Men bashing is going so far away from equality. Just because I'm a women doesn't mean that anything a man does is offensive. When y husband holds the door for me it's not because he doesn't think I can,it's just because he's nice.

A. Najime
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All humans are born equal, but what do you expect from a fucked up society, evil people are in power all over the world.

Laury M.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People are not born equal. Your gender identity, socio-economic class, race, sexual orientation, are all factors that will determine how society will treat you, and it will never let you forget it. It's a nice ideal, it is how it should be, but it's not reality.

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Stijn V.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i felt a bit opressed reading this.

Lavinia Q
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is no equality nor equal rights. There is only justice.

Zori the degu
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I got confused, I'm now not sure what to think about feminism. Please, don't hate me, I'm not too bright young woman and I usually get confused when it comes to political questions. However, I think some points in the comic are well-made.

Kori K. Warriner
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Feminism is about equality - for men and women. Although a lot of so-called feminists think that women are better than men - they are not true feminists. And a subculture of men think that all feminists are like that.

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Miguel Angel
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In fact, she should exchange terms, current feminism is what she calls 'real equality' and vice versa.

Nick Cox
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4 years ago

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WolfTitan Model 1
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I say that we should just let people do what they want besides rape, theft, murder. basically anyone can do what the hell they want as long it doesn't affect someone else in a negative way and if you affect someone in a negative way then eye for an eye unless rape, then we tie you up and let the victim beat the crap out of you till they feel at peace.

Sarah White
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eh, but that also gets complicated. Technically, being gay could affect someone in a negative way by making them uncomfortable. But its shouldn't be illegal to be gay, should it? My general rule is "do whatever you want as long as everyone involved is consenting". But even that doesn't work all of the time. No one can set one standard rule to everything, why do you think so many laws have passed? Everyone is different, you'll treat everyone differently, that's just how it works.

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Mai Meyer
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I completely disagree. Non of these comics are about gender equality. They are about the disadvantages that women have faces for millennium, turned on it's head to focus on how it would look like if males were in "traditional" female roles - nothing about equality.

frank0ys
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...Humane equality. Anyone?

Jonathan Eatsalot
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is to touchy a subject..............should have went with abortion or religion instead

Brooklynn Jackson
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1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Read this: https://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2014/9/emma-watson-gender-equality-is-your-issue-too

David
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What you're really saying when you say "I'm a feminist": All of these things.

Melviya Mathews
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

people need to stop confusing feminists with femiNAZIS! It's soo annoying! feminist-f...fd90e7.jpg feminist-feminazi1-5d791c7fd90e7.jpg

Hendrik Little
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

20% of women actively identify as feminists. 80% of women actively identify as supporting equality. Saying that feminism equates with equality or is necessary for it is a straight up lie.

Jada Collier
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like this comic. It really shows the government from a femminazi point of view and they don't stop and think about their actions and consqeuneces (sorry for my bad spelling). We need a name for this: Feminazitrcy.

Bogdi Herald
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder... if(like a miracle) all the changes that feminist want truly happen, how many guys will strange about the society(even if its more equal like this).

Kiki
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry but most feminists today actually support what the "non-feminist" is talking about. Maybe at one point feminism stood for equality, but now it stands for man-hating.

Person2638
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Feminism IS gender equality. THAT is not gender equality, that is misandry. Equality is self-explanatory. How do you fuck up such a simple term like that?

Greg Howser
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think we'd be perfecty justified in completely dominating all of men for thousands of years. serves you fuckers right for centuries of horror. but that's not feminisim, that's me wanting vengence.

Themadglitcher
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why are people who are saying feminism is not about equality getting their comments hidden?

Dusk Ealain
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Feminism is a political movement and ideology. It doesn't and cannot hold a monopoly on the idea of gender equality. "If you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist!" Okay, by that logic, if you believe in taking a holiday, you're a nazi.

Dusk Ealain
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Feminism is a movement and political ideology. It does not hold a monopoly on gender equality, especially considering the blatant sexism modern-day feminism perpetuates.

SRAMLNS
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is the exact opposite. The feminists are the people who you're talking about. Feminists want gender roles switched.

SRAMLNS
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If it's for equality, why call it femanism?

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Natalia Sanchez
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my country, feminists are known to express hate towards males. I've been myself confronted by feminists coming from a march, and questioned why was I dressed with a skirt, that a skirt is surely to please male eyes, that my heels belonged to a phallocentric society... and more of such nonsense. Feminists (in my country) also stand against a father claiming custody of his children, even is the kids express that thay don't want to live with their mother, and a lot of other nonsense that instead of giving more power to females, they mean to achieve "equality" by lowering male' rights. So no, I'm not a feminist. I prefer to be called equalist and give more rights to females, not stripping males from theirs. I repeat, in the context of MY country that is Argentina. Maybe in other countries, feminists have a more logic approach.

Karen Klinck
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Every group has their extreme (i.e. nutcase) element. After all, we still have some men who think the women's right to vote should be repealed, others who think there's nothing wrong with rape,because all women 'secretly want it'. So it's not unusual that some feminists go overboard in the opposite direction. I tend to try avoiding *all* fruitcakes.

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Harmony Keane
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why does it matter what terminology we use? I prefer to be called an equalist, myself. But I don't care if someone calls themselves feminist. I just don't like to be defined as someone who's always fighting for something. But maybe others do. Why these days all the quibbling about what's the "correct" way to call something?

E L Frederick
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ever met a feminist? I mean without being called a rapist, and a pig simply for being a guy before you even had the chance to do something to offend them? I haven't yet met one who wasn't offensive to start with.

Katinka Min
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My God, some guys in the comment section.... Mimimi, it's not all about me mimimi. What a bunch of whiners.

Jack Barnes
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Feminism is about equality!" Except the words and actions of prominent and influential feminists say otherwise.

Becca The Bear
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

honey, those are not feminists. those are SEXISTS. buy a fuckin dictionary.

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Dimitris L.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think my legs are strongly victimized. They do all the job, walk, run, keep the hole body standing...This is enormous discrimination and against hands and legs equality. I am going to start walking with my hands, legs can really do the same things as hands do. #legsandhandsareequal.

Karen Klinck
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Go for it, sweetie. Maybe you can outdo the time of the guy who climbed the Statue of Liberty on his hands.

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Pi...
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Damn! I have SO much to say on this, but it all seems redundant...

Aunt Messy
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is hilarious! I see all of the butthurt little boys who are so happy to try and shut us up are frantically commenting and spewing their hysterical terror across the boards. Don't they realize they're proving just how childish and ineffectual they are? It makes you look so small, boys. MEN don't need to do that.

Kostas
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it's a comic on the internet so this must be true..

Me.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks like the two labels got switched around...

Chad McFarland
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The word some feminists are working towards is "egalitarian". The belief that all persons should be treated with equal respect and care regardless of any other factor but simply that they are human. Thus I am not a feminist bevause the very word itself MAY be defined as being pro-female OVER men or at the very least only working towards "equality" for one side. But you know... big words and language and all... meanings and definitions. Nobody seems to care because humanity appears to be getting dumber and dumberer every year and stupidity affects both men and women.

Lindsay Ameye
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

LOL, these comments are an analogy of "not all men". Anyway, the point is moot. Gender inequality will be a thing of the past really soon. I won't explain this any further because it takes a certain awareness of what is going on, on this planet, on a much deeper level than a mainstream brain can comprehend.

Laurel Evans
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He entirely missed the point. When people say they want gender equality, they mean from this point on. Not going back to dowries and telling men not to go to school so they can learn to raise families lol... Even suggesting that is what people want is ridiculous.

Laury M.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But... a lot of those things still happen to women. Even if you don't personally see it.

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Mitch Strenke
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a cute attempt to try and kill the very fair statement "I'm not a feminist I'm an egalitarian". It's easy to tear apart the people who are out and out bigots who simply fear all men and call us evil; but the problem with even more general and mainstream feminism is it does harbor similar feelings. The problem is feminism's culture A. Doesn't believe in or want mass debate, convtreversial ideas are often framed as education, disagreement is simply ignorance, and B. It runs off a false victim narrative, whether it be in the form of "women were oppressed for hundreds of years" or even just the idea that to quote from this comment section "Raising the standards for women is a first step, because they are the most disadvantaged - especially when factoring in race and ethnicity, age, religion, etc." This basically all means that even if you can show that men have issues to at best it's simply paid lip service and at worst it's either minimized. Feminism is not about equality.

Becca The Bear
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

feminism ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/ noun the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

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Billie Ariel
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. Just stop. Don't say anything if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Valefar
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5 years ago

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Feminism is cancer.

Heather Keedy Bateman
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5 years ago

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Actually, I think the opposite is true. Gender equality erases all those issues while feminism represents "woman power". Just saying...

Laury M.
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mistake you're making is that "woman power" is not about power over men. It's power over ourselves (like choosing what we do with our body and having that respected) and over our life choices (like opportunities to pursue careers without being discouraged because of our gender, or entering a work environment that is hostile to women). Feminism is that at its essence, it's just that like every single other movement and ideology, there are radicals who tend to be more vocal. Changing the name doesn't serve anything else than distracting from the actual goal, and the only reason people get so hung up on the name is that it refers to women - who, to this day, are still the least privileged of the two, and a LOT of the issues men face can be traced back to misogyny and the negative perception of femininity.

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Hugo Raible
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5 years ago

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The "strong opinions" are spot on.

Mark mckenzie
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5 years ago

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It's calling out people that say that they don't support feminism they support gender equality because feminist despite claiming to want gender equality is really about revenge and female supremacy. The comic kind of fails in what it's trying to achieve, it's basically saying that real gender equality would mean that men would have to go through the years of suffering and oppression that women had to get to the point they're at now in the west, and that feminist only want to be treated fairly. Well the fact that the feminist that wrote this piece believes that gender equality means men would having to go through what women had too is proving the point that the people that support gender equality but not feminism are making, that feminist believe that gender equality is about getting even not being treated equal. I do not believe that all feminist think like this I'm only pointing out that this comic fails in what it's trying to achieve.

Valefar
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5 years ago

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Still, feminism is cancer.

Becca The Bear
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

omg yay it matches ur personality then; cancerous.

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NIMDA
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5 years ago

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What has 3rd wave feminism accomplished? I don't know.

Bipolar King
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5 years ago

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The fact as a man I'm scared of commenting on this post tells you how polarized our society has become your entire lively hood can end with a single unpopular opinion.

Dave Roger
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or I mean... you could just be reasonable and agree that women and men should be equal so there would be no need to give a "polarizing opinion" on something like this.

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Zatch Magem
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5 years ago

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Feminists (the ones that actually help) should just change the name of their movement. Because is not about women, is about human rights.

Popescu Adina
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5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They can't as the name honors the brave women who fought for our rights. A lot of terms are man related so why does it bother people when this one term/name is female related?

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