Someone Says Employing People Based On Their Skills Is Bad, So People Start Posting Hilarious Examples Of Such Employees
Billionaire founder of Microsoft, Bill Gates, is one of the most successful college dropouts of all time – but his lack of a diploma didn’t mean he had a lack of work skills. No matter what route you take, most people agree that the best, brightest and most skilled deserved to be hired. Take for example the artist Davian Chester who drew a Junteeth illustration for Google that went viral. The artist was hired by the company for his talent and not for his work experience.
Well, one social media user thinks that hiring people for entry-level jobs based on their skills is not a fair way to run the labor market. Their controversial tweet has spread across different platforms and ignited some entertaining responses about inclusivity and employment etiquette.
Someone tweeted out a controversial view on what skills should be required to get hired
The tweet sparked a lively debate across the internet
Some people saw his perspective and partially-agreed with his point
An issue that many college graduates or anyone applying for jobs find is the level of experience listed. Recruitment search group TalentWorks analyzed a random sample of almost 100,000 jobs and found that 61pc of all full-time ‘entry-level’ simple jobs require more than three years of experience. So how does someone with “no experience” get hired then? According to The Muse, this strategy is used to narrow the pool of applicants. “You’d be surprised to learn what can qualify as “relevant experience,” says contributor Lily Zhang, adding to focus on transferable skills, and clearly state your “ability to contribute directly.” Former agency recruiter and an HR manager Jaclyn Westlake writes: “If you meet at least 80% of the requirements listed in a particular posting, don’t overthink it—just apply.”
While others completely disagreed
I dont know which is stupidest, the tweet or the fact that there is an article on the tweet..or maybe the fact that I am commenting on the stupid tweet article...
I hate to say this, but OP is probably not trolling. I have actually met people like that.
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This reeks of entitlement. Yes, most companies want someone who can perform the job right off the bat, thus require experience, just as we all prefer to go into a store and talk to the more experienced attendant/clerk. However there are plenty of entry-level jobs which are willing to train, but they come with entry-level salaries and you have to accept that. The first couple years of an entry level job are the chance for 'equal opportunity', when you will demonstrate what kind of employee you will be.
Yes. And you can always find non-profit organizations, churches and community centers who will let you volunteer a few hours a week to get experience and training for various positions. Sometimes you have to take a less desirable job in the meantime, just to pay the bills. Also, a lot of businesses do let you prove your skills with a test or trial period, but you have to ask. They don't advertise it because it would get chaotic if they did that for every applicant. I got a job as an office manager because I was helping a district manager (who was a friend) file papers and do data entry in my spare time. I was hoping to get some verifiable experience for a secretary position. The office manager at the company quit unexpectedly and my friend recommended me for the position. The owner let me come in for a trial period (one day, four hours). He hired me on the spot.
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I never understood that. How are you supposed to get job experience if no one will hire you so you can get experience?
Smaller companies tend to prefer experience because they lack the manpower to train new employees. Big-box stores are excellent places to gain experience because they usually take whoever shows up.
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We have those unskilled people where I work. But it's not like they're doing a bad job; they just don't work at all. They get away claiming they don't have the know how and obv the workload falls to someone else. But hey, as long as they're not ostracized.
Then they have crappy bosses who aren't doing their job either. If you don't manage staff properly and give them the resources and support that encourages and enables them to do their job then it's never going to work.
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When you are quoted with your face and name pixelated, you know it's something gonna bring shame
But why is it switched to pixelated Trump in the thumbnail?
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And yet people seem to think that people with no civic experience will suddenly become good political leaders. Go figure.
Companies hire unqualified people all the time, we call them "Managers".
If the poster means entry level I agree. But for higher level. A chef that can’t cook. A pilot that can’t fly. A financial advisor that knows just as much as you do etc. What is the point of having these jobs if no one can do them. Also it can lead to someone needing to take a job below their skill level for example someone with a bachelors degree in say automotive technology needing to fill the entry level job because Jim unskilled, with his highest education being a high school diploma, is head mechanic.
Jim might have had on the job training and years of experience though. I had a staff member that felt the constant pursuit of qualifications was going to get her miles ahead of her colleagues who were actually learning on the job. Depends on the industry but it wasn't working for her as she wasn't good at actually doing the work. Has to be a balance.
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You can’t read? You are now a librarian! You can’t talk? You’re now a speech specialist! You can’t walk? You are a personal trainer now! Gosh that person is stupid.
My first reaction is that this is moronic . However I have two autistic children. My son is 20 and has been applying for jobs for two years. Nobody will hire him. We are talking fast food jobs. I agree with the post about this being an entry level job problem. My son isn't capable of doing much because he has physical handicaps and learning disabilities . He can do fast food work or collect grocery carts ... but nobody will hire him. He has a stutter , and has had somebody call him for an interview , and because he started to stutter they hung up on him.
Fast food jobs are not an ideal setting for your son, but I have suggestions. If there is a Good Will in your area, contact them. The Good Will in my area hires special needs individuals to do clean up and serving in their conference centers (they may know of other opportunities as well, some of them do job fairs and training programs). Try smaller stores. One of my autistic clients got a job at a little junk shop in his town. He goes in three days a week and helps the owner organize stuff. Churches and community centers hire people for various things (these places may also know of other places that are hiring). Talk to your neighbors. I've hired kids to help me in my garden and check on my house when I was out of town. One kid was getting a few bucks from everyone on my street for putting our bins by the road on trash day. I know your son is getting discouraged. Tell him I believe in him and the people who refused to hire him didn't know what they were missing out on.
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Yeahhh im pretty sure the first tweet was satirical to begin with...
I am a fully qualified RN and Midwife, with teaching experience. When my children were small, and not wanting to work full time while I cared for them, I applied for a morning job in sandwich bar - making sandwiches. I didn't get it - I was told I had no experience in sandwich making !!!
You should have made a resume saying that you had so many years experience at Pamela's Catering Service. *I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not*
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What about farmers? They only want people with experience. My husband grew up working on farms as a child helping family out family friends. This was old equipment and most of these family farms went under after the children went to college because farming didn't suit them. The patriarchs died off and new farms pop up. New farms, new equipment, and my husband who adores the quiet country life would go back to it but can't. He cannot prove he has experience on the old equipment because he was a teenager not on actual payroll, being paid under the table. Because of this farmers refuse to even train on the new tractors(which are basically the same as old ones just with added GPS so you do even less work). If you can work the GPS on your phone, you can handle these "new tractors". Then, farmers complain that none of these young bucks are interested in farming anymore and pretty soon the whole world will suffer. They are interested. The farmers have poor logical reasoning.
Sometimes you have to fudge the info on your resume. It would be unwise to falsely claim to have skills, but... If you actually have the skills, beef up your resume by shifting focus. Find someone (anyone) who worked on the farm during that time (or anyone who knows you worked there) and ask them to be your reference. Depending on where you live, you probably aren't required to bring "paper trail" proof of a previous employer. I've had plenty of under-the-table jobs and I simply asked the owner, or a supervisor, to verify my employment over the phone. Also, be aware that the GPS on the farm equipment may not be like the GPS on your cell phone. It may be more like the systems that truckers use, or military modules (not as user friendly). Watch some YouTube videos for those (There are users manual PDFs online too). Learn a few key phrases relating to those GPS systems and add them to your resume. I hope this helps. Good luck!
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My first job was as a waitress at Dunkin’ Donuts. Wish I knew I could have jumped to the head of the line and got a job as a physical therapist. Imagine all the calories I would have avoided!
Meet Bob, he will be your cardio thoracic surgeon so I can take the day off. He's going to make life or death decisions for you. Essentially play God with your life. Lets hope he remembers what he saw on the last medical drama tv show.
Sounds like someone jealous of others' education. This reminds me of Asimov's quote: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Once again I do not agree with this post at all. The fact is that people are being employed based on their skills and experience without looking at other things. The thing is that most people can LEARN. You don't need to take someone super experienced, you just need someone inteligent enough to learn. Of course this does not apply to super specific jobs such as doctors or pilots. But the car mechanic is a great example how this is stupid - can't you just take someone young who is used to helping his dad and teach him everything? Same goes to any administrative/office job. Why do they require 10 years of experience for a boring a*s office assistant? The thing is that if you employ a super experienced person they will get bored soon and just quit. But if you take someone who will actually learn something, they might stay much longer. So while I see the original post was kind of badly worded I do agree with the message it said.
In other words: where are the apprenticeship-positions in the US, yes? Because that (usually) is how you learn how to properly work in a trade here in Germany, you become an apprentice who learns hands-on stuff in the company that hired you and additional theoretical stuff in a special school for that trade. You get paid a little in that time and when you are finished you have a certificate that says you can work in that trade.
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Affirmative Action in a nutshell. Yet many of you BP commenters love that s**t.
Please tell me what part of the car the "breaks" are? Because I don't want to drive a vehicle with breaks in it. Or splits, cracks, and craters. But brakes - yes I do want brakes.
I know someone who hires random people based on how little they will accept for a pay. It's bad. They went through 20 people so far. They don't want to learn. Don't want to work hard. Don't like being shown or told how to do something. Just money. Then they quit. And it starts all over. Good thing it's a skilled job.
As you get older you think you've heard every stupid thing that anyone could say.... and then THIS
Things you don't want to hear from your attorney: "Now, I don't have much experience, but don't you worry. I saw an episode of Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was down, but I think I got the gist of it." These entitled half-wits need to learn how to get by and function in a competitive society instead of having everything handed to them. And I'm not just blaming them, I'm blaming the parents for raising these coddled children.
Excuse me? Not needing certification as a mechanic? The ignorance is astounding. Believe it or not, mechanics DO get certified and even go to school for a degree. I know, education, who would have thought? My fiancé is the end shift of a major car dealership, he is the only guy with enough experience to make sure your car gets emergency fixed the night before you go on your family road trip tomorrow. That is an accumulation of training at a prominent tech college for 2 years and a constant upkeep of certification for the 10 years after that, because, you know, technology changes. I know the person that posted the response isn't reading that but, my gosh, that made my blood boil.
I barely read this article and I'm certain that the hiring process is difficult especially if others don't get individuals interest. I'm not sure how they determine how to hire a professional because I have rarely been in a circumstance of such. Yet I know for a Fact that finding employment opportunities and filtering spammers, is difficult. I'm looking forward to new opportunities and i find that most people do things like hiring on networking or whom you know terms. If you don't know many individuals its like a repetition of sameness. And repetitively doing things over and over gets old.
This is why HR agencies exist. In a good one they will test you and then they will offer you to employers. There you will get experience and you can leave the agency and enter the job market on your own. How do you thing I got my possition? They would not hire me as I was told recently if the agency wouldn't put a good word for me and if I wouldn't impress my future teamleader with how pathetic I was. She decided to go against her boss and she even put a bet on me. I didn't know that for three years. BTW, she won.
I see this possibly as a problem with Tweets. Since you have a super limited number of characters so much is taken out of context. We will never know (unless the original tweeter responds with a few dozen more tweets) if they seriously meant quite literally: "Everyone should be hired for whatever they want just 'cuz that's equality, and I don't care who dies"...............................................or if the Tweeter would have explained out: "If the educational background and qualifications are the same, the person who has 2 years 'experience' should not be automatically chosen over the fresh out of grad school individual. There might be other aspects where the person who doesn't have experience is actually better at said job because they get along better with others and are able to learn and adapt, whereis the person with experience might be stuck in their ways and frequently offends someone, you don't know" - etc. etc. etc.
To the person who said they needed Experience to be a receptionist... are you good with people? Do you have a good phone voice? Are you able to multitask? How are you under stress? I went from restaurants to retail, to receptionist. Get over yourself, apply for the job, and someone will take a chance on you.
I guess as long as there are people with Experience looking for a job, and new bies with no experience willing to work for free as interns, newbies with no experience and no money to survive for a year are going to be in trouble. Unless regulations stipulate that unpaid internships are illegal.
Me: I have no skills, but I'll have a crack at anything. Boss: Welcome to NASA.
Wow, two people were involved in writing this article and yet neither of them noticed that the original post was being Ironic?
Facetious. Sarcastic. Not ironic. Thanks Alanis for totally f'ing up what an entire generation thinks ironic means.
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I have had zero training and have no skills but let me be you surgeon today, it’s okay I used to play the game operation as a child.
What really needs to be done is some employers (depending on field) have lower expectations when it comes to advertising their jobs available. For example some places advertise for juinors with experience or experience a must etc. How the hell are you supposed to get on the job experience when no one will hire you without experience in the first place. Do they not see the irony in that.
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Miklos just reminded us that he doesn't understand the word "meritocracy". LOL
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I dont know which is stupidest, the tweet or the fact that there is an article on the tweet..or maybe the fact that I am commenting on the stupid tweet article...
I hate to say this, but OP is probably not trolling. I have actually met people like that.
Load More Replies... This reeks of entitlement. Yes, most companies want someone who can perform the job right off the bat, thus require experience, just as we all prefer to go into a store and talk to the more experienced attendant/clerk. However there are plenty of entry-level jobs which are willing to train, but they come with entry-level salaries and you have to accept that. The first couple years of an entry level job are the chance for 'equal opportunity', when you will demonstrate what kind of employee you will be.
Yes. And you can always find non-profit organizations, churches and community centers who will let you volunteer a few hours a week to get experience and training for various positions. Sometimes you have to take a less desirable job in the meantime, just to pay the bills. Also, a lot of businesses do let you prove your skills with a test or trial period, but you have to ask. They don't advertise it because it would get chaotic if they did that for every applicant. I got a job as an office manager because I was helping a district manager (who was a friend) file papers and do data entry in my spare time. I was hoping to get some verifiable experience for a secretary position. The office manager at the company quit unexpectedly and my friend recommended me for the position. The owner let me come in for a trial period (one day, four hours). He hired me on the spot.
Load More Replies... I never understood that. How are you supposed to get job experience if no one will hire you so you can get experience?
Smaller companies tend to prefer experience because they lack the manpower to train new employees. Big-box stores are excellent places to gain experience because they usually take whoever shows up.
Load More Replies... We have those unskilled people where I work. But it's not like they're doing a bad job; they just don't work at all. They get away claiming they don't have the know how and obv the workload falls to someone else. But hey, as long as they're not ostracized.
Then they have crappy bosses who aren't doing their job either. If you don't manage staff properly and give them the resources and support that encourages and enables them to do their job then it's never going to work.
Load More Replies... When you are quoted with your face and name pixelated, you know it's something gonna bring shame
But why is it switched to pixelated Trump in the thumbnail?
Load More Replies... And yet people seem to think that people with no civic experience will suddenly become good political leaders. Go figure.
Companies hire unqualified people all the time, we call them "Managers".
If the poster means entry level I agree. But for higher level. A chef that can’t cook. A pilot that can’t fly. A financial advisor that knows just as much as you do etc. What is the point of having these jobs if no one can do them. Also it can lead to someone needing to take a job below their skill level for example someone with a bachelors degree in say automotive technology needing to fill the entry level job because Jim unskilled, with his highest education being a high school diploma, is head mechanic.
Jim might have had on the job training and years of experience though. I had a staff member that felt the constant pursuit of qualifications was going to get her miles ahead of her colleagues who were actually learning on the job. Depends on the industry but it wasn't working for her as she wasn't good at actually doing the work. Has to be a balance.
Load More Replies... You can’t read? You are now a librarian! You can’t talk? You’re now a speech specialist! You can’t walk? You are a personal trainer now! Gosh that person is stupid.
My first reaction is that this is moronic . However I have two autistic children. My son is 20 and has been applying for jobs for two years. Nobody will hire him. We are talking fast food jobs. I agree with the post about this being an entry level job problem. My son isn't capable of doing much because he has physical handicaps and learning disabilities . He can do fast food work or collect grocery carts ... but nobody will hire him. He has a stutter , and has had somebody call him for an interview , and because he started to stutter they hung up on him.
Fast food jobs are not an ideal setting for your son, but I have suggestions. If there is a Good Will in your area, contact them. The Good Will in my area hires special needs individuals to do clean up and serving in their conference centers (they may know of other opportunities as well, some of them do job fairs and training programs). Try smaller stores. One of my autistic clients got a job at a little junk shop in his town. He goes in three days a week and helps the owner organize stuff. Churches and community centers hire people for various things (these places may also know of other places that are hiring). Talk to your neighbors. I've hired kids to help me in my garden and check on my house when I was out of town. One kid was getting a few bucks from everyone on my street for putting our bins by the road on trash day. I know your son is getting discouraged. Tell him I believe in him and the people who refused to hire him didn't know what they were missing out on.
Load More Replies... Yeahhh im pretty sure the first tweet was satirical to begin with...
I am a fully qualified RN and Midwife, with teaching experience. When my children were small, and not wanting to work full time while I cared for them, I applied for a morning job in sandwich bar - making sandwiches. I didn't get it - I was told I had no experience in sandwich making !!!
You should have made a resume saying that you had so many years experience at Pamela's Catering Service. *I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not*
Load More Replies... What about farmers? They only want people with experience. My husband grew up working on farms as a child helping family out family friends. This was old equipment and most of these family farms went under after the children went to college because farming didn't suit them. The patriarchs died off and new farms pop up. New farms, new equipment, and my husband who adores the quiet country life would go back to it but can't. He cannot prove he has experience on the old equipment because he was a teenager not on actual payroll, being paid under the table. Because of this farmers refuse to even train on the new tractors(which are basically the same as old ones just with added GPS so you do even less work). If you can work the GPS on your phone, you can handle these "new tractors". Then, farmers complain that none of these young bucks are interested in farming anymore and pretty soon the whole world will suffer. They are interested. The farmers have poor logical reasoning.
Sometimes you have to fudge the info on your resume. It would be unwise to falsely claim to have skills, but... If you actually have the skills, beef up your resume by shifting focus. Find someone (anyone) who worked on the farm during that time (or anyone who knows you worked there) and ask them to be your reference. Depending on where you live, you probably aren't required to bring "paper trail" proof of a previous employer. I've had plenty of under-the-table jobs and I simply asked the owner, or a supervisor, to verify my employment over the phone. Also, be aware that the GPS on the farm equipment may not be like the GPS on your cell phone. It may be more like the systems that truckers use, or military modules (not as user friendly). Watch some YouTube videos for those (There are users manual PDFs online too). Learn a few key phrases relating to those GPS systems and add them to your resume. I hope this helps. Good luck!
Load More Replies... My first job was as a waitress at Dunkin’ Donuts. Wish I knew I could have jumped to the head of the line and got a job as a physical therapist. Imagine all the calories I would have avoided!
Meet Bob, he will be your cardio thoracic surgeon so I can take the day off. He's going to make life or death decisions for you. Essentially play God with your life. Lets hope he remembers what he saw on the last medical drama tv show.
Sounds like someone jealous of others' education. This reminds me of Asimov's quote: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Once again I do not agree with this post at all. The fact is that people are being employed based on their skills and experience without looking at other things. The thing is that most people can LEARN. You don't need to take someone super experienced, you just need someone inteligent enough to learn. Of course this does not apply to super specific jobs such as doctors or pilots. But the car mechanic is a great example how this is stupid - can't you just take someone young who is used to helping his dad and teach him everything? Same goes to any administrative/office job. Why do they require 10 years of experience for a boring a*s office assistant? The thing is that if you employ a super experienced person they will get bored soon and just quit. But if you take someone who will actually learn something, they might stay much longer. So while I see the original post was kind of badly worded I do agree with the message it said.
In other words: where are the apprenticeship-positions in the US, yes? Because that (usually) is how you learn how to properly work in a trade here in Germany, you become an apprentice who learns hands-on stuff in the company that hired you and additional theoretical stuff in a special school for that trade. You get paid a little in that time and when you are finished you have a certificate that says you can work in that trade.
Load More Replies... Affirmative Action in a nutshell. Yet many of you BP commenters love that s**t.
Please tell me what part of the car the "breaks" are? Because I don't want to drive a vehicle with breaks in it. Or splits, cracks, and craters. But brakes - yes I do want brakes.
I know someone who hires random people based on how little they will accept for a pay. It's bad. They went through 20 people so far. They don't want to learn. Don't want to work hard. Don't like being shown or told how to do something. Just money. Then they quit. And it starts all over. Good thing it's a skilled job.
As you get older you think you've heard every stupid thing that anyone could say.... and then THIS
Things you don't want to hear from your attorney: "Now, I don't have much experience, but don't you worry. I saw an episode of Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was down, but I think I got the gist of it." These entitled half-wits need to learn how to get by and function in a competitive society instead of having everything handed to them. And I'm not just blaming them, I'm blaming the parents for raising these coddled children.
Excuse me? Not needing certification as a mechanic? The ignorance is astounding. Believe it or not, mechanics DO get certified and even go to school for a degree. I know, education, who would have thought? My fiancé is the end shift of a major car dealership, he is the only guy with enough experience to make sure your car gets emergency fixed the night before you go on your family road trip tomorrow. That is an accumulation of training at a prominent tech college for 2 years and a constant upkeep of certification for the 10 years after that, because, you know, technology changes. I know the person that posted the response isn't reading that but, my gosh, that made my blood boil.
I barely read this article and I'm certain that the hiring process is difficult especially if others don't get individuals interest. I'm not sure how they determine how to hire a professional because I have rarely been in a circumstance of such. Yet I know for a Fact that finding employment opportunities and filtering spammers, is difficult. I'm looking forward to new opportunities and i find that most people do things like hiring on networking or whom you know terms. If you don't know many individuals its like a repetition of sameness. And repetitively doing things over and over gets old.
This is why HR agencies exist. In a good one they will test you and then they will offer you to employers. There you will get experience and you can leave the agency and enter the job market on your own. How do you thing I got my possition? They would not hire me as I was told recently if the agency wouldn't put a good word for me and if I wouldn't impress my future teamleader with how pathetic I was. She decided to go against her boss and she even put a bet on me. I didn't know that for three years. BTW, she won.
I see this possibly as a problem with Tweets. Since you have a super limited number of characters so much is taken out of context. We will never know (unless the original tweeter responds with a few dozen more tweets) if they seriously meant quite literally: "Everyone should be hired for whatever they want just 'cuz that's equality, and I don't care who dies"...............................................or if the Tweeter would have explained out: "If the educational background and qualifications are the same, the person who has 2 years 'experience' should not be automatically chosen over the fresh out of grad school individual. There might be other aspects where the person who doesn't have experience is actually better at said job because they get along better with others and are able to learn and adapt, whereis the person with experience might be stuck in their ways and frequently offends someone, you don't know" - etc. etc. etc.
To the person who said they needed Experience to be a receptionist... are you good with people? Do you have a good phone voice? Are you able to multitask? How are you under stress? I went from restaurants to retail, to receptionist. Get over yourself, apply for the job, and someone will take a chance on you.
I guess as long as there are people with Experience looking for a job, and new bies with no experience willing to work for free as interns, newbies with no experience and no money to survive for a year are going to be in trouble. Unless regulations stipulate that unpaid internships are illegal.
Me: I have no skills, but I'll have a crack at anything. Boss: Welcome to NASA.
Wow, two people were involved in writing this article and yet neither of them noticed that the original post was being Ironic?
Facetious. Sarcastic. Not ironic. Thanks Alanis for totally f'ing up what an entire generation thinks ironic means.
Load More Replies... I have had zero training and have no skills but let me be you surgeon today, it’s okay I used to play the game operation as a child.
What really needs to be done is some employers (depending on field) have lower expectations when it comes to advertising their jobs available. For example some places advertise for juinors with experience or experience a must etc. How the hell are you supposed to get on the job experience when no one will hire you without experience in the first place. Do they not see the irony in that.
Load More Replies... Miklos just reminded us that he doesn't understand the word "meritocracy". LOL
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