Someone Asked People To Share Red Flags From Employers That Potential Workers Might Not Immediately Spot, 30 Deliver
The Great Resignation is alive and well — nearly 4.3 million people quit their jobs in January trying to run away from toxic culture, entitled bosses, and burnout. Although it’s a difficult time for businesses, some workers also feel quite stressed while looking for better opportunities, fearing ending up in the "same company, different name" kind of situation.
Luckily, the internet is here to lend a helping hand. User taylortaylortaylorrr decided to ease the pressure for people on their job hunting journey. They asked members of Ask Reddit to share the signs from an employer that people might not immediately recognize as a red flag. Two months later, more than 18.4K people voiced their precious knowledge.
From asking "Do you plan to have children?" to saying "Nobody works here for the money", Bored Panda wrapped up some of the things people should be on the lookout for before signing on the dotted line. Scroll down to read these pieces of advice, upvote your favorites, and share your own experiences with us in the comments!
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Interview question someone actually asked me: "What would you do if I told you at 3 PM on a Friday that I really needed something done by Monday morning that would take 36 hours of coding?"
I told him "I would tell you to find someone who works weekends and walk out the door."
"Thanks for bringing up that scenario! It reminds me to ask: what is the company policy for overtime/reimbursement in this circumstance? (assuming I'm able to clear my weekend schedule on such short notice, of course)"
"What would you do if I tried to make my lack of planning into your emergency?"
If that was an actual interview question, I would assume that they'd be doing that on the regular. Have I had to work evenings or weekends now and then because of some emergency? Yes. People in this industry do expect that will happen. That's typically when there's some issue that's in the field and affecting customers. Then it's all hands on deck. It should be rare in a well run organization, and it's normal to get comped with extra paid time off for it. If they're asking me this in an interview, that tells me they're short staffed, poorly organized, or both. Heck, I even pulled an all-nighter once that was over 30 hours straight. Once. In over 20 years in the industry. Once. Would I be prepared to do it again if it was a massive emergency? Yes. If that was just the plan for how my work was supposed to be? Heck no.
It’s funny how no one asks for things when you are on the clock because they don’t want to pay extra. This s**t only happens when you are salaried. I think all salaried employees need to get their pay split hourly. No more than 8 hours a day. And if they ask for extra, you add that on daily. You see how fast they stop then.
If hourly position, make sure hiring manager knows you are familiar with overtime labor laws and ask about double time and meals payout.
So...lie? Most people have no clue. Do you mean overtime?
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Me: "I would advise you to review these new requirements with the full dev team in the next sprint meeting so we can assign story points and determine who has capacity to complete it in this sprint or the next, assuming it's a priority over existing backlog items..."
"Well, obviously you are charging them more for work that is on such short notice. I mean you don't normally have scheduling issues like this do you? In this case I would expect a percentage of the contract for my over time with the ability to say "no" without any fallout."
If you're a good employer that earned my loyalty, and I know my devotion will be rewarded: 'itll be ready'. If you're anything less: 'I'll see you Monday. If that' I work hard, but I don't work for free. Nothing personal it's just business.
Oh it's never about incompetent management, it's all about employee work ethic, isn't it?
People making schedules that include weekends and holidays as a "working day" needs to be shot. I've lost my temper too many times telling off these asshats to manage things realistically. Instead of say, making it look pretty for the "bosses". These "project managers" presented some unrealistic numbers to their bosses and try to make that up by squeezing vendors. So you want my guys coming in on Saturday? Well too bad, I cut their checks and I bill you on days I count as working days so they ain't doing that crap. What a bunch of brown nosing glorified slave drivers.
Sounds like y'all messed up in managing a project. maybe, idk, get the managers that mismanaged time to do it.
I'm reminded of one I read about, where a recent law school grad was hired as a junior attorney at a firm. One of their senior attorneys was his boss. She tells him, on a Monday, that there's a hugely important project that has to be submitted to the courts no later than the following Monday. He busts his tail every day that week--coming in early, staying late, working all through the weekend. Junior gives Senior the project on Monday--then he's surprised when he doesn't see it on the court docket. When Junior asks Senior about it, she smirks, and says, "Well, the project wasn't actually due for another *month,* but you need to learn to always be prepared, and to think on your feet!" Then Senior was surprised when Junior complained to the head of the firm, asked to be transferred to a different Senior for supervision--and the transfer was granted.
"You just broke the 'letting your subordinates rest during the weekend' code."
Real talk we need a whole new way of evaluating who should n shouldn't be a boss. Just gevause someone is a high performer doesnt mean they will.be a great leader. Ass kisses, c**k super performers, bosses kids or relatives NEED NOT APPLY!
"You're not very organized, are you?" Would have been my response as I walked out the door and blocked work on my phone for the weekend.
Problems happen. If it is a special case, no problem. I'm there for my company. However, if it's the expectation, that is completely different.
I did this a lot as a system admin. 20 years. Carried pager cell continuously. I made about 140 k a year by not refusing this stuff. Anybody can do sysadmin work, but will they do it at 2 a m on sunday? Some of these commenters cant possibly work in i.t
"Carried pager cell continuously." I don't think that counts as 36 hours of work. Being on callout is very different from being given 36 hours of work to be done over a weekend.
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Wait, what is the coding for? I was presented the same situation, and the coding was to get funds for facilities caring for the elderly. I did it without hesitation. It was not about me.
BAHAHAH id just start laughing my ass off. I already think the typical American work week of 40 hrs is too much so stuff like that to me is just hilarious. Why bother even having a life if all ur gonna do with it is work urself 2 death and be exhausted and anxious all the time? When I worked as a bartender/server 34-38 hrs a wk I barely had a life cuz all I did when I was home was sleep. I could barely even take care of my other responsibilities, I certainly had no energy or time 2 clean or cook (sometimes I went days barely eating cuz I was 2 tired 2 make food & 2 poor 2 afford pre made food) eventho I was single and in my 20s. 4 some of that time I was in school part time as well. the only way I survived was cuz of adderall but my apt was a toxic waste zone (my dogs were very destructive & impossible 2 potty train) & I was able 2 get my hrs down to about 32-34 so I made it happen
I don't know where the great resignation is taking people in general. Can you afford to buy food under Joe Biden? Can you afford to heat and cool your home under Joe Biden?Are you safer anywhere you live under Joe Biden? Can you afford your rent or mortgage payment under Joe Biden? The fact is glamorizing people quitting their jobs it's pointless and not fruitful in any consideration. People that are quitting their jobs are generally between 16 and 26 years old mostly Generation Z who want their safe spaces and for old baby boomers to pay for everything they are pathetic as is anybody that supports their foolhardy notion of a handout Society. AOC and her dim-witted minions are simply that, a bunch of throwbacks to the Berkeley Woodstock mentality of Sha Na Na live for today. These kids and any stupid adults that want to act like a kid need to man up, nut up and realize a job is a means to an end make your paycheck pay your bills and figure out what the next step is.
Old man yelling at clouds alert... Hey Nimrod every generation says that .. all the way back to the Greeks. They've never been right and neither are you...
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How will the overtime be compensated, and is there an additional bonus? - That's how a former company did it, and it did pay out well for those to helped to get through difficult times. Sometimes, emergencies happen.
A couple old senior partners, lots of young employees and nothing in between.
That means there’s no opportunity to move up, they can’t get people to stay, and can’t get lateral transfers. They work young folks for as long as they can, and the young folks leave once they figure out the company sucks.
The phrase “we all wear a lot of hats” it’s corporate speak for we are cheap bastards that make you do things outside your job description
Is money the only reason you work??????
Yes. Yes it is.
No, most people don’t work for the money, they just work because it’s so much fun.
Had an interview somewhere they offered 20-23 starting. Being new in this field, when they asked how much I was expecting to be paid I said "well you guys are offering 20-23 starting and being new in the field I think 20 would be good."
Their response was "oh....well that's kind of a red flag for us....usually when someone starts with us they'll say 'I'll take 17 dollars until I can prove to you that I'm worth the $20' so you'll see why we're hesitant."
My response "then why would you offer $20 at your low end?"
I didn't get a call back.
"Competitive pay" but they wont tell you what the pay actually is in the posting or even the interview
It’s certainly not competitive if they’re unwilling to reveal it. Just a Big Red Flag!
“The company doesn’t pay for coffee, employees chip in if they want it in the office”… yeah if you are too cheap to provide coffee, I will never get a raise.
Anything that the manager says in the interview that doesn’t line up with the job description..
“yea we posted it’s a manager level position, but this is actually a coordinator role”.
“yea the description says travel is 25% but it might be closer to 50 it just depends”.
“We did post it as a remote job, but we prefer people to be in the office X days a week”
“Yea we phrase it that way in the job description because corporate says we have to”
All of those are red flags. ANYTHING a company is vague about should be a red flag.
Amazon does this a lot. They always have positions open starting at 17 an hour but when you get there it's always 'that position has been filled but we still have starting positions open'...yet mysteriously the ad remains open for months. It's so misleading.
Asking if you are somebody who's "willing to put in the time to make sure deadlines are met/work is done" or if you're "the type of person who leaves when the 'workday' is finished?".
This is generally corporate speak for "we will be forcing you to work unpaid overtime".
I would have told them I’d be willing to stay, but I would definitely be expecting 1-1/2 pay for my time after the legal eight hours.
When you don’t get a review until you ask for a raise. Then, all of a sudden, you work is being questioned and you’re being berated.
'Nobody works here for the money.'
Why should they work there, then?
Whenever an ad says "Flexible schedule", it never ever means that you can work when you want. It always means that they can schedule you any time week to week without giving you any consistency.
When they refuse to tell you what your starting salary would be or when they just avoid the question all together. Like I didn’t apply to the job to be apart of some “family” work culture, I came here to get a job and be paid.
Say, "I need to know what you will be paying me to compare it my other job offers."
"We're a family here"
No. We're co-workers. I don't love you. I wouldn't do anything for you. We have boundaries.
Asking if I planned to have children in the interview (I was 19)
Old Machinists: Why doesn't anyone want to work, we can never keep any of these lazy millennials!
Also old machinists: I'm not gonna teach you anything, you little s**t, you're just gonna leave in a month anyway
Young new hire: Wow, this is a terrible place to work, buhbye
I always ask the question "why is this role open? Is it a new role, or am I replacing someone? Why did that person leave?" This really helps you seeing their reaction and if they look nervous it's because the person who left did it because they were not happy.
I also like asking how "senior" my team members are, if there's noone there more than 2 years I would also be concerned.
Final question, as I work in sales, I always ask "what's the KPIs and how many are actually hitting their quarterly and annual target?" This also reveals if they set their targets too high and you can expect to enter a grim working culture where you're never "good enough" and can always "do better".
Last one, I like asking about how they are working to establish a team culture as well, since this will tell you a lot if people at work are "friends" or just there to do their job
I'm 16 and looking for a job. I was reading through this to help me find the "red flags" but I was just wondering what KPI's are
Overall poor ratings from bad employee reviews on Glassdoor. Seriously - that site exists to give employees a place to review their employer anonymously. Use that info.
I worked at the same law firm twice…I told them when they hired me he first time that I would be moving abroad when I turned 50, so after 3-1/2 years I left, and then a year or so later I moved back to San Francisco and ended up working for them a second time. The corporate culture was good, and I liked nearly everything about my job. During this second stretch I came to realize that the company’s founder was an inveterate liar. She told both little and big lies, and I finally posted this anonymously on the firm’s Glassdoor page, but many, many months after my leaving there.
"Sorry no money for your annual raise due to the pandemic"
It's a lie.
There's a misery wall when walking into work. When you pass a certain point in the building the feeling changes significantly. If you know, you know.
I work for myself, from home, so have joyfully left this b******t behind. But I do remember that misery wall materializing the minute I walked out my own door, sometimes even before. I have worked places where I literally threw up from the stress of working in such a toxic work environment, while I was just getting ready to go into that same toxic work environment. Those were jobs I quit the millisecond I was offered another. I. Do. NOT. Miss. That.
MULTIPLE MANAGERS TO REPORT TO*
If you’re being interviewed/hired and they tell you have/will have multiple managers to report to. Basically if there is not a clear chain of command. What’ll happen is eventually one manager’s directions, goals or instructions will conflict with the other’s, and you’ll get caught in the middle of it. And one or both will use it against you in performance reviews.
The quality of the Toilet paper in the bathroom. There are minimal if any cost savings to 1 ply and it just shows they couldn't care about you at all.
Exception to this is in rural areas where plumbing and buildings can be 60+ years old and still working fine. Old pipes don't always handle the fancier TP. Also anything above 2ply is horrible for septic systems and the plumbing.
I know people (rightfully) like to hate on HR, but if a company brags about "not having an HR department to deal with," expect them to be very disorganized at a minimum.
If the job description has a nondescriptively massive salary range
($25,000-$100,000)
"So, how many are working for $25,000 and how many for $100,000?"
Listing something like "fast-paced environment" as a benefit
Or to put it another way, you'll drop with exhaustion at the end of every shift.
The job title says they’re looking to hire “rock stars.”
Worst job I ever had had this in the description when we were hiring newbies. I cringed when I read it.
Additional s***ty law firm red flags:
The firm gives you a free dinner from a nice restaurant if you have to stay after 7
gym in the office
free daycare services
You need to keep an extra suit in the office.
Free laundry service
unlimited time off
Translation: you will never leave the office.
They claim that overtime isn't mandatory and workers stay longer by choice.
Once someone’s in the sixth grade, they’re going to see through that!
Two or three really nice cars in the parking lot, and the rest are beaters.
Everybody is very young in a very old company.
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I can give you some red flags before you even have an interview and save you some trouble: 1. The ad says, fast-paced environment. 2. The ad says, Looking for a self-starter with 2 years of experience that knows (follows with a list of 50 different software apps, programming languages, and skills that have nothing to do with the job). 3. The ad says, We work hard and play hard. Unless the ad is for a game development company, this is complete BS. They just work hard and way more hours a week than should be allowed. 4. The ad says, We are looking for someone who lives and breathes [insert skill here]. This means they expect you to be available even on weekends. 5. The ad says, You will wear a lot of hats in this company.
"We work hard and play hard" = you can expect 60+ hour weeks but there's beer and Xbox on Friday evenings.
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Another red flag is when the title sounds more important than the job, and sounds like something beyond your experience. For instance, being hired for an "Account Executive" job when your only previous experience was in customer service. Then, it turns out to be a door-to-door sales job.
I used too much "truth in advertising". I told candidates "you will be working in an office with several middle aged women who WILL ask you where your coat is, bring you chicken soup if you're sick, and ask what happened to that nice boy/girl you were dating. If you have an issue working with a bunch of Moms, think carefully before taking this job.". (Most recent hire has been here 6 years)
...where is this? Are you hiring? I'm interested.n
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Other red flags... NDAs, and rules against disclosing your salary to other employees...
In the US there are old, old labor laws that make it illegal for companies to discourage conversations about compensation unless an NDA was signed. It's the most broken law in US history lol. Most people don't even know it exists.
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Welp, I worked for a company that used to make about all of the software for every point-of-sale terminal at every fast-food joint. They had me fill out a proficiency exam to make sure I knew what I was doing. The second side of the exam turned out to be black, and the interviewer just waved it off. But, they were offering a very good salary and said they needed me immediately, so I gave notice at my old job and started work. Tried to start work. They didn't have a computer available for me and didn't manage to dig one up until the next day, when they gave me a machine that was so old that it couldn't be connected to the network, and I had to beg coworkers to copy the files onto floppy disks. This was a problem, because no one could identify the files I needed. When they found them, I figured they screwed up, because the compiler put out pages of warning errors. The manager assured me that this was normal... it got worse...
Anyway, I finally walked out when I'd gotten back from lunch (nice Mexican place, and I really needed that margarita) and the company turned out to be having another mandatory meeting to... keep up morale, of course. Never mind that we wanted to actually be working.
Load More Replies... Can we ban posters like Daisey662? They are trying to con people. There seem to have been a lot of them lately. Maybe we could have a "report" button?
If on mobile, slide the menu at the top all the way to the left until you see "More" with a down arrow. Scroll down that list to "Contact" near the bottom. There's a Report Post button there.
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Another red flag for me is if a company is coy to the point of secrecy about where it's based.
Have to reenter the job hunt because the job I applied to and got an offer at, they bungled my paperwork, then called me and got mad at ME for them not having it despite me doing everything on my end... I went in, redid the entire process, they bungled it AGAIN and then just never contacted me back. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm upset that I didn't get that job but also I wouldn't want to work somewhere with such a disorganized and awful hiring process, huge red flag for the job itself.
I’m in search of a new job and at an interview recently with 5 people in an accounts receivable department -They were unable to tell me how much their average monthly receivables were. They also kept saying they were “locally owned” - which at one time they were. But the owner now lives in Washington state and they make items for Disney and several other high profile clients… while wanting to pay a CFO $45K/year. It was hard not to laugh and walk out.
I was interviewed at a place that asked how I felt about overtime. I said I was open to it. I accepted a job and 3 days into it had someone ask if I was informed of the mandatory overtime. The schedule was officially 9-6 but unofficially you were required to come in 2-3 hours early most days and stay until ALL the work was done. So really some days it'd be 8-8. I quit after a week but they were used to that. As a brand new hire they didn't require me to do the overtime but I hated the job enough doing the regular schedule I knew I couldn't handle that much OT.
The dress code can tell you a lot. How strict is it? Do they follow it? Whether it covers tattoos, piercings, facial hair, hair color, etc. Gives you an idea of how controlling the management is and how good/bad morale is.
I can give you some red flags before you even have an interview and save you some trouble: 1. The ad says, fast-paced environment. 2. The ad says, Looking for a self-starter with 2 years of experience that knows (follows with a list of 50 different software apps, programming languages, and skills that have nothing to do with the job). 3. The ad says, We work hard and play hard. Unless the ad is for a game development company, this is complete BS. They just work hard and way more hours a week than should be allowed. 4. The ad says, We are looking for someone who lives and breathes [insert skill here]. This means they expect you to be available even on weekends. 5. The ad says, You will wear a lot of hats in this company.
"We work hard and play hard" = you can expect 60+ hour weeks but there's beer and Xbox on Friday evenings.
Load More Replies... Another red flag is when the title sounds more important than the job, and sounds like something beyond your experience. For instance, being hired for an "Account Executive" job when your only previous experience was in customer service. Then, it turns out to be a door-to-door sales job.
I used too much "truth in advertising". I told candidates "you will be working in an office with several middle aged women who WILL ask you where your coat is, bring you chicken soup if you're sick, and ask what happened to that nice boy/girl you were dating. If you have an issue working with a bunch of Moms, think carefully before taking this job.". (Most recent hire has been here 6 years)
...where is this? Are you hiring? I'm interested.n
Load More Replies... Other red flags... NDAs, and rules against disclosing your salary to other employees...
In the US there are old, old labor laws that make it illegal for companies to discourage conversations about compensation unless an NDA was signed. It's the most broken law in US history lol. Most people don't even know it exists.
Load More Replies... Welp, I worked for a company that used to make about all of the software for every point-of-sale terminal at every fast-food joint. They had me fill out a proficiency exam to make sure I knew what I was doing. The second side of the exam turned out to be black, and the interviewer just waved it off. But, they were offering a very good salary and said they needed me immediately, so I gave notice at my old job and started work. Tried to start work. They didn't have a computer available for me and didn't manage to dig one up until the next day, when they gave me a machine that was so old that it couldn't be connected to the network, and I had to beg coworkers to copy the files onto floppy disks. This was a problem, because no one could identify the files I needed. When they found them, I figured they screwed up, because the compiler put out pages of warning errors. The manager assured me that this was normal... it got worse...
Anyway, I finally walked out when I'd gotten back from lunch (nice Mexican place, and I really needed that margarita) and the company turned out to be having another mandatory meeting to... keep up morale, of course. Never mind that we wanted to actually be working.
Load More Replies... Can we ban posters like Daisey662? They are trying to con people. There seem to have been a lot of them lately. Maybe we could have a "report" button?
If on mobile, slide the menu at the top all the way to the left until you see "More" with a down arrow. Scroll down that list to "Contact" near the bottom. There's a Report Post button there.
Load More Replies... Another red flag for me is if a company is coy to the point of secrecy about where it's based.
Have to reenter the job hunt because the job I applied to and got an offer at, they bungled my paperwork, then called me and got mad at ME for them not having it despite me doing everything on my end... I went in, redid the entire process, they bungled it AGAIN and then just never contacted me back. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm upset that I didn't get that job but also I wouldn't want to work somewhere with such a disorganized and awful hiring process, huge red flag for the job itself.
I’m in search of a new job and at an interview recently with 5 people in an accounts receivable department -They were unable to tell me how much their average monthly receivables were. They also kept saying they were “locally owned” - which at one time they were. But the owner now lives in Washington state and they make items for Disney and several other high profile clients… while wanting to pay a CFO $45K/year. It was hard not to laugh and walk out.
I was interviewed at a place that asked how I felt about overtime. I said I was open to it. I accepted a job and 3 days into it had someone ask if I was informed of the mandatory overtime. The schedule was officially 9-6 but unofficially you were required to come in 2-3 hours early most days and stay until ALL the work was done. So really some days it'd be 8-8. I quit after a week but they were used to that. As a brand new hire they didn't require me to do the overtime but I hated the job enough doing the regular schedule I knew I couldn't handle that much OT.
The dress code can tell you a lot. How strict is it? Do they follow it? Whether it covers tattoos, piercings, facial hair, hair color, etc. Gives you an idea of how controlling the management is and how good/bad morale is.
