40 Of The Stupidest Names People Have Encountered That Made Them Wonder “What The Parents Were Thinking”
InterviewFor soon-to-be and new parents, deciding on a name for their baby can be a daunting task. While some say there are simply too many to choose from, others go on about always having second thoughts. But there is a whole other category of people that feel this overwhelming urge to come up with something so original, they miss by a long shot.
We’re talking about moms and dads who think of terrible names that doom their kids to a lifetime of questions and eyebrow-raising. Luckily, there's a Facebook group called "That name is a Tragedeigh 2.0" that's dedicated to calling them out. From Ayrwynn and Behryx to basically anything that ends with -eigh, it seems there’s no shortage of awful names that are almost begging to be shamed.
Zane Mauldon-Green, the admin of this group, told Bored Panda parents "get caught up in words they like or think sound pretty without actually considering that their child will one day grow up and have to deal with the bullying or other consequences of having a tragic name could have." Read on for the whole interview!
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Cain An Abel
Bible names are traditional, but it's definitely a good idea to read the story before you commit.
Maybe the dad is called Onan, so there won't be a third brother
Load More Replies...Well, I misguidedly named a pair of parakeets Romulus and Remus. Guess which one didn't last very long?
I've read this entire list. I wonder if these parents realize they are condemning their children to a LIFETIME of correcting spelling and pronunciation of the most defining aspect of one's life. I know...both my first and last names must be spelled out, slowly, to whomever is asking, oftentimes repeated for pronunciation purposes. My kids' names are names with traditional spelling. Life's hard enough...why add cutesy spelling or a name that isn't well thought out (Female, pronounced Fe-MAH-lei)? Just...why?
I mean, my name has become a running joke in my friend group, it's annoying but having a hard name became part of my identity now XD
Load More Replies...Naming your kids after bible stories you've never read is no worse than naming them after alcohol you could never afford
Every time Ammon Bundy (of Y'all Qaeda fame) comes up in Oregon news, I wonder why his parents chose to name him after a Bible character who was conceived in drunken, incestuous r@pe.
Ascaris
I know someone who names their son Laben, apparently his 4 older siblings and parents had a vote and this is what they chose. He was a rainbow baby who’s 8 years younger than the next youngest one. All I can think of is labia every time I hear it and I fear that because of this he will be picked on in school.
I don't think kids are going to think Labia, plus Laban was in the Bible. He was the father of Rebecca the father of Rachel. So he can just tell the kids the origin of his name.
Load More Replies...My Cousin Y'all
if you want a unique spelling of Faith, why not Fayth? That's a bit nicer
If you want a unique spelling of Faith, why not Fxaijgieesdrbkvtxsgbj∆? "But it's pronounced "Faith""
Load More Replies...My name is Faith.. and I take offense to this spelling 😵🤣 seriously though that's stupid And the name sucks! Get used to spelling it out 8 times before people on the phone realize your name is not face, state, steak or Kate. ( I work on the phone and you'd be surprised how many times I'm asked really your name is face? Yes you fucktard my parents named me face )😆
I get so confused when people take common names and spell them weird to make them "unique". It still is pronounced Faith, so it is not exotic or unique. I could take the word gate, and spell it g8, but at the end of the day, it still sounds exactly the same. All you are doing is giving your child a common name and a life full of not being taken seriously and always having to explain and/or correct people.
The admin told us that while he's not the founder of the group, he joined shortly after. "I’ve since taken over running the group as the original creator has two young kids and is very busy with all the tasks that come with being a mum."
However, Zane revealed that the idea for this group came from seeing some shockingly bad and uniquely spelled names. "There was also a similar group, but [it] allowed people to roast names belonging to various cultures around the world," he added. "We didn’t think that was right, so 2.0 was created as the culture-friendly alternative. In the end, though, it was inspired as a way to just laugh at insanely unique spellings of names."
Texann
Pretty sure that's my late husband's sister! Her name is TexAnn, we live in Texas and last I heard, she works in a salon!
Hey! My oldest friend, we started going to the same school in 1964, is named Texanne. She is a terrific person and in the current era, I would much rather be Texanne than be "Karen", which is what I am.
TBF, I've never met a person named Karen that was a "Carin"
Load More Replies...Nirvana
Should we still be happy that person's sister is a fan of Nirvana and not a fan of Slayer...
Nirvana also means a state where you are at peace with the world
Giving your child a name that comes from a world religion is probably not going to offend anyone.
Luckily buddhism doesn't evoke much hate in the religious community.
Load More Replies...It’s not the worst in terms of band names they could have chosen e.g., may I introduce you to my beautiful daughter ´Cradle of Filth’
I prefer my sons 'Cattle Decapitation' and 'Impaled Nazarene'. :D
Load More Replies...When Life Hands You Lemons
It sounds fine, but words have meanings in addition to their sounds which also have to be considered.
Lady: I'm naming the baby Lemon... Friend: Are you giving birth to an old car?
Load More Replies...I knew a woman at a community college name Velancia, as in an orange. A rather pretty name actually.
Load More Replies...“All right, I've been thinking when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down- with those lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns down your house." -Cave Johnson Portal 2
Ever since its creation in 2020, "That name is a Tragedeigh 2.0" has been steadily growing and amassing more than 49.3K devoted fans ready to knock some sense into people. Zane said the community is awesome: "Our members work really well together to create a healthy respect for all the cultures."
"The members are so active that we are actually constantly being summoned to review posts and keyword alerts. We have even lovingly referred to the group as essentially a full-time job at times," he noted. "I myself take full advantage of that level of engagement by the occasional fictitious name post for everyone’s amusement."
D**k Tips Seems Pretty Tragic To Me
My first boss was Richard Head. Any guesses as to what we all called him?
Load More Replies...Jesus Christ BoredPanda, this is getting out of hand. You have so many horrible and malicious trolls on this site that people constantly contact you about, yet you continue to be burned with glorious purpose and censor someone's name. Oh, won't somebody think of those poor helpless children!
Why is Richard shortened to D**k anyway? I've never quite understood.
He has also chosen D**k as his given name. He could have gone by Richard, Rich or Rick. No excuse.
A guy who served as a Rep for New Hampshire (I think) is named D**k Swett
Adonis
Now see, this is one example of the benefits of an old-fashioned, classical education !
Or addy Edit: IGNORE THIS I THOUGHT YOU SAID ABBY I CAN'T READ
Load More Replies...I don’t know, I’ve watched Bambi the movie and seen girls called Bambi soooo many times
Bambi is cute, shame it sounds like a stripper's name.
Load More Replies...And here I thought naming your baby "Ramses" when you're a ~50-year-old german museum director with a passion for egyptian history is bad.
Please don't call the girl Nefertiti, I implore you
Load More Replies...I’ve heard this name for women before - there is a actually a woman named Adonis at my workplace. Although not as commonly used for girls, it does happen.
It is a male name though. Parents really should consider the impact a name has on their child and not try and be 'clever'.
Load More Replies...Adonis in canaanite means Lord actually,so basically his name is Lord Lord.
Load More Replies...Well Adonis is an ancient greek name,male name.Weird to call a female like this.
Why Do People With A First Name As A Last Name, Name Their Kid The Same Name?
if Donald duck and Ronald McDonald had a child
Load More Replies...Sounds like Wales, so many with the same name they were referred to by their occupations or characteristics, Jones the Post, Jones the Milk, Jones the Pie etc. Found this one in a Welsh newspaper - “One of our favourites comes from Blackwood just after the war, where a local window cleaner, Samuel Davies, was known to everyone as Shammy Davies. When his son joined the business, he was known to everyone as Shammy Davies Junior.”
Can confirm that Wales is awash with situations like this. Undertaker in the town I lived in was David Davies, who predictably was known as Dai the Death.
Load More Replies...My local area is crammed with William Shakespeares. It's like THE first name to avoid when you have that surname
Never even occurred to me that anyone else COULD have that surname 😆 very rare name in the US, that's for sure!
Load More Replies...Or with son on the end, such as Magnus Magnusson, if any of you are old enough to remember him.
Gus Gustoferson is the name of my favorite bartender from years ago. Tried to look him up thinking "how many can there be?". Whooo boy was I wrong.
Load More Replies...We had a governor named Tommy Thompson. I don't understand how & why parents name their kids like that.
When asked what are some of the most appalling names out there, he told us, "I think any name that is deliberately spelled incorrectly for the purpose of being unique are some of the worst names, e.g Emma-leigh instead of Emily. However, two of the worst I have seen are Knoxxli Blayze and Addilyn. Mainly just because they aren’t names, just weird mashups of other words or something worse."
Some say that baby names are a genuine way to express parents' deepest hopes for their children. Well, then we'll just have to guess what’s in line for these folks. If you're shaking your head from confusion, thinking what on earth was on these parents' minds, you're definitely not the only one. After all, giving your child an eccentric name can potentially make it harder for them to grow and socialize with ease.
"Having a 'unique' name or as we call them 'tragic names' can definitely have an impact on a child growing up. Whether that be kids constantly making fun of their name or the child having to relentlessly correct people's pronunciation or spell their name for them," Zane added.
Smelvin
i feel as a kid peopel would call him Smelly Smelvin and that’s sad
Alexotl The Great, on the other hand, is an AWESOME name. :D
Load More Replies...*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIos0ya-yss* INTERNATIONAL WARNING: SMELVIN IS APPROACHING. THIS IS NOT A TEST.
Load More Replies...Juan
Isn't there a joke about two twins called Juan and Jamal and the punchline is "You see Juan, you've seen Jamal (You've seen one, you've seen them all)
No, it's Juan and Amal - Juan was adopted by a Spanish family and Amal was adopted by a Moroccan family. The mother wanted to see them before she died, but they could only find Juan. So they showed her a photo, saying, "well, if you've seen Juan, you've seen Amal".
Load More Replies...What old sitcom was it that had the brothers with the same name? Newhart? "I'm Daryl and this is my other brother Daryl."
Yes! I was hoping someone would mention that! I think it was more like "...this's my brother Daryl, and this's my other brother Daryl.." :D
Load More Replies...In France and Belgium you have a lot of brothers who are having the same first name and a different second name. Jean-Louis, Jean-François, Jean- Paul, Jean-Claude .... Nowadays it is not popular anymore to name your kids like that.
I Argentina too, also Maria Soledad, Maria Luisa, etc. for girls.
Load More Replies...George Foreman named ALL (yes, all) his sons George. He has 12 kids, and 5 of them are George. One of the girls is Georgetta. That's narcissism if you ask me....
I worked with a John King on a big manufacturing site where there were old fashioned tradesman type bikes for getting around, they were all either allocated to a person or department with the name of person/department painted on the panel within the frame. John King was sneakily repainted as Juan King but the guys from the Analytical department had it worse, riding around advertising A**L.
Load More Replies...That's actually common in iberic cultures. Middle names are common and important. José, João/Juan and Maria are usually put together with other names . I know two sisters that are named Maria Eugênia and Maria Emília. And two brothers (from a completely different family) that are name José Pedro and José Roberto.
My uncle named his sons both Jose's (different middle names), his two daughters are both Anas (different middle names) and then there is emmanuel (he has 5 kids).
George Forman named all of his kids George.
Load More Replies...I Was Exposed To This, So Now You Have To See It Too
how about this instead random green blurb: no m***********g way in spicy jesus
Oooh Spicy Jesus sounds like a great name for a girl. Perhaps Sweet Jesus for a boy?
Load More Replies...Alternative names: Aston, Bentley, Mack, Ranger, Dakota, Minerva, Avia, Bruce, Halley, Star... it takes 2 seconds to look up better names.
Daddy delivers his load ???? Just reading that alone proves the kid was F****d from the get go lol
The admin of the group said these "tragic names" are often a huge source of embarrassment that might lead to many of these kids resenting their names. "I’ve also heard stories where people weren’t able to do things like food orders over the phone because the store believed it was a hoax name," he said. "Please let your children be unique themselves, they don’t need a poorly chosen name to do that for them."
Zane admitted he honestly believes parents don’t put too much thought into whether it’s a good name for a person and just focus on what they like. "It’s quite a selfish view but it seems to be very common that parents don’t really consider their child’s future in regards to their name."
Xiomama
Xiomara is a real name idiots. It's just not American or English
Load More Replies...This one's not a stupid name, it's just that it's from a different language. I know plenty of names from English that might sound shitty in different languages lol
I don't think so. Xiomara is a Spanish name, but not Xiomama.
Load More Replies...Excactly, I hate when people say something is stupid just because they're not used to it
Load More Replies...A joke name? « Joke » is actually a name too. But since our country became more fluent in English, the popularity of that name significantly declined. Just like Sicco and D**k btw.
But in USA D**k is short name for Richard.
Load More Replies...The spelling doesn't sound stupid, I think it's just the prononciation that's sounds off.
My sister worked for social services, and was filling out paperwork for her newborn daughter. She asked the baby's name, and the mother said that the hospital named her, not her. Confused, my sister looked at the birth certificate, and the mother said, "see, her name is fem all ee. "Poor thing. She got to name her daughter.
i have a friend named xiomia, took me forever to figure out that its pronounced "zio-mia"
I Think We Can All Agree This Is An Animal Tragedeigh
I seriously didn't want to say it, I can't stop: People are gonna say, "Look there, Mike is riding *ahem*"
“Why are you late to our date babe?” “Yeehaw, i was ridin’ brady’s wife”
Load More Replies...If it was a race horse all the phrases, I'm betting on .. . Is a Long shot. . . Is the favorite. . . The Jockey is Whipping...
Load More Replies...If that'd been me, the registered name would've been HowthefuckwouldIknowwhotombradyswifeis
I think it's pedigreed horses. The name has to be unique, as in, not in the registry, alive or dead. So, you end up with "My Brother's Keeper" or "Door to Door Vacuum Cleaner Salesman".
Load More Replies...Avenida
It reminds me of a show that I used to watch growing up called the "Proud Family". One of the young girls was named "La Cienega Boulevardez" after the famous "La Cienega Boulevard" in Los, Angeles, California.
There was a kid in my daughter's school named Lavanderia. I asked the mom how she came up with that name and she replies "it's Spanish for Lavender" I didn't have the heart to tell her that it was actually Spanish for "laundromat"
Nothing if your language is English and not Spanish (or similar)
Load More Replies...It seems that picking an extremely rare name is not an ideal way to go about it, and someone should put a stop to such decisions before it's too late. "Family and friends that get told the name in advance should at least try to convince them to have a sense of normality and give their children something they won’t get bullied for."
My Best Friend Just Had Her Baby And Named Her Daughter Mazikeen Aurora
Mazikeen is a character from Lucifer? Maybe from the graphic novels also? In the series she is obsessed with sex and violence. Just what you want in a daughter.
Yeah, but Mazikeen isn’t evil or bad per say, she gets a good character arc in my opinion and becomes a nice person… kinda
Load More Replies...I like the names, they’re unique, and pretty cool, BUT PLEASE DONT MAKE THE SPELLING IMPOSSIBLE
Anyone Else See Blood Spatter? Lol
Is it pronounced “Legacy” or”Le gacee” ? It’s important before one sounds more exotic.
Hmm, I'm hearing Le Gassy, sorry I'll see my 9 year old self out
Load More Replies...I wouldn’t name my kid legacy but it’s honestly kind of a pretty name
It has a nice idea behind it but maybe it's putting a lot of pressure on the future-person? Idk..
Load More Replies...The blood spattered cake was the whole reason I clicked on this post.
I Know Of A Boy Named Brain; Pronounced Brian
Yup. Like Oprah. She was supposed to be named "Orpah" , who was Goliath's mother from the Bible, but the nurse misspelled it and she is now "Oprah".
Load More Replies...My neighbor decided to get his driver license name changed from the name school teachers gave him as a kid to his real given name, which he wound up spelling "Sebastain" instead of "Sebastian".
A friend of mine named Brian had his name spelled Brain by the hospital.
I knew a kid in elementary school named Micheal. Being an elementary schooler, I tactlessly said, “It’s spelled wrong.” “No, it’s not! It’s Spanish!” “No, that’s Miguel.” “Shut up!” Good times.
An eccentric name can attract unwanted attention. Moreover, it usually comes together with a whole lot of problems moms and dads might not have thought about. So Zane noted that while it may seem like a lovely idea to give your child a name that sets them apart from the rest, you should still think twice.
"You need to keep in mind that Knoxxli Blaze, for example, is not going to be taken as seriously as someone called Jennifer or Breeanna or any other normal name." The same rule applies to all unique names: "Forcing your child to forever correct people's spelling and pronunciation is not sweet, it’s cruel."
Came Across A Fun One Today. A Girl Named Kevin’a
I had a buddy who has to do business trips to Japan about twice a year. He has to go by his first name because his last name Etchyson, sounds like Ecchi san, which he has told me sort of translates to "Mr. Pervert"
Load More Replies...Not sure what being an unplanned child has to do with any of it.
Plus, the child wasn't unplanned. The parents were just dumb for never considering they might have a female.
Load More Replies...In Arabic it works like that, with an +a at the end the name becomes a female name. Mimoun-Mimouna Samir-Samira Karim-Karima
My heritage is German & English; my 3 sisters and I have 3 syllable names ending in -a.
Load More Replies...Why does this remind me of Beverly Hills Cop 2. "I wanna be able to see my twin daughters again! Monique and Unique."
Yeah! Like Kenzie, Kelly, any weird ke- variants of caitlyn, etc.
Load More Replies...A family around here. Dad named Paul, son named Paul, 3 daughters, Paula, Paulette, and Pauline. Craziness.
Oh, that similar name thing is NOT part of the mess, sorry. Do you know how many twins have similar names? (My nephews do -- Carey and Perry., I know they aren't the only ones!) The number of men in my family that were named on/John/Juan or Robert/Bob -- on both sides -- is ridiculous.. I'm Karen, my sister is Sharon. Everyone in that situation just deals with it.
I had a classmate named Kristiann - I had to ponder so many times how to read that before meeting the actual person. Turns our It's read as Christian. I thought he wasa girl named Kristi Ann. -_-
So, Not Shart For Short?
You know all the kids at school are going to use that one, whether speshul khreatyve Momma likes it or not.
Load More Replies...Still trying to wrap my head around how Jza sounds like Shar
The same way Jake is short for John.
Load More Replies...I'm curious how they came up with that pronunciation. My name is John, pronounced Wesley.
Why? Is Sharteek too pedestrian? Ot you really want another way to endlessly talk about your child and how clever you are?
Waukegan
I hope they're gonna choose either Ringroad or Overpass as a middle name.
Load More Replies...Someone mixed up the baby name book with the AA road map of England
Those quirky spellings are things of a teacher's nightmare, and fodder for all the school bullies to conjure into all sorts of embarrassment.
Load More Replies...Thank you for pointing that out and saving me the job.
Load More Replies...Wrexham (Wales) silent "h" but disappearing "W"
Load More Replies...Menonomee? You and your poor child a re going to have used to the fact literally everyone is going to be humming the Muppet song in their heads when you tell them that name.
There is nothing unique about any of these names; they are all jut place names, mostly English but some American, including the Menomnee tribe of Native Americans. The "quirky" spelling for Leicester(which is exactly how the city is spelled) is simply a simplification of the Roman "castor" or "cester," meaning a Roman fort or military camp.
Sorry, but castor and cester are actually the English place name elements derived from the latin "castrum", which means castle or fort.
Load More Replies...Whether you would like to learn about different cultures or have some tragic name stories you’d like to share, "then absolutely come join us and tell us about them! Just make sure to read the group rules to avoid members of the community’s wrath," Zane concluded.
Just... Why? They Live In Texas But Still
🏚🍪🍘 These are the emojis when I look up cracker. Had to included the house just because.
Load More Replies...So many dumb Texan names. There appears to be a shortage of brain cells in Texas.
And I bet it will get written "Caktus" and "Kraham" a lot ;-)
Load More Replies...Found In Another Group
Someday, Em-Anon will be the name of the 12-step program for people suffering from the curse of their horrible made-up name.
There is a beautiful Mongolian custom of taboo names. If parents have had a child die, they will give the next child a name that will confuse malicious forces, like No One, or Not a Person, to keep bad spirits from finding and taking the child. So this type of naming can be done with beauty and reverence, in some cultures...
Curstin
she would have been bullied as a kid and kids would call her crusty cursty
I like this spelling than Kirstin and Kirsty. I keep reading it as Kristy and Kristin.
She’s A Public/Instagram Person
I always tried to consider nicknames when naming our kids! My son is named Declan and my main concern was that kids would call him "Duck Man" or something like that. The funny thing is that there was a short period of time where he DID have some friends call him Duck, which he thought was pretty awesome. Now, most of his friends call him Dec, and his sister and I call him Deco. My husband just calls him Son! LOL! (The dog, however, calls him Duck Wing. Really, though, who can expect a dog to get ANYONE's name right?)
Load More Replies...Not as terrible as it could be. Someone might well assume the parents used a surname from one of their families as a first name, which isn't all that bad, really.
Normally a last name. It’s not uncommon in the UK. Named for quite a few areas. It’s not any more different than naming a baby Denver, Brooklyn, or Paris, etc…
It makes me think of very expensive powder compacts but that’s an age thing; I don’t think most other people would make that link
Load More Replies...Another Twin Group Find
At the zoo a few years ago and heard a mother calling to her TRIPLET BOYS - Hunter! Gunner! Shooter! Let’s go see the cat house!!
Smith??? Would you want to have your first name be SMITH?? "Smith Taylor Greene" sounds awful!
Load More Replies...Bianchi and Buono, or Kenneth and Angelo. (Cousins who were jointly the Hillside Stranglers.)
Load More Replies...Copper And Steel
That edit is gold, which will probably be the name of her fourth or fifth kid..
Her third kid will be Platinum, her fourth will be Gold, and her fifth will be a normal name like Jeremy or Sarah
Load More Replies...frr i was like "ok where is this going ??" then i was like "oh."
Load More Replies...And with the Trans flag colors as a background, I was wondering what Female to Male had to do with it?!
Why not Cooper and Sterling? The pun is there but the names are normal.
Ooh! My mom had ideas just like this!! She was gonna name me Gold, Silver, Bronze, or Copper if I was AMAB. When I asked her if she had any other, non-precious-metal ideas, she said Armas Into. Pronounced like pinto bean.
.... how is "armas into" pronounced "pinto bean"?
Load More Replies...Please tell me the mom's name is London Bridge (Bridget London works, too.)
Me too. Though it does make me picture babies in mining costumes.
Load More Replies...Ezraleigh
Amazakeen? Sounds like something a genie would say before granting a wish
Sounds like someone watches Lucifer, actually (one of the characters is Mazikeen).
Load More Replies...Stop trying to make new names just to be different. Either hypenate it, or use Leigh as a middle name. You're starting to make Bloody Stupid Johnson sound like a good idea (and that was a Terry Pratchett joke name)!
He gave us a plethora of joke names. I'm still waiting to see Legitimate First, or Diamanda, or even (please, please, please!) MyGodHe'sHeavy (the First).
Load More Replies...Worse. To me it sounds like "Izrael", which is the angel of death. In my culture, it's the Grim Reaper.
Load More Replies...Why is Leigh hated? It's an old English name for a safe space in a wooded area/easy landing beach/common land that's peaceful. A leigh is a quiet point of not much, in an otherwise busy community. I hated my name when I was little but I've grown to love it.
Leigh itself isn't bad per se. It's the things that people make out of it that are. "Hayleigh", "Rhayleigh", I've even met a "Dezzeigh".
Load More Replies...LeighAnne here. And it’s surprising how many can’t pronounce it. I’ve never really liked my name.
How do they pronounce it? Leigh/Leigh Anne is a very common name here.
Load More Replies...Leigh is like Ann then and can be randomly added to any name in a superfluous vagazzle style. I could be either Hannahleigh or Hannahann. I’m quite liking Hannahann personally.
I actually think Ezraleigh is a nice name. You can call the kid Ezra or Leigh.
It’s A Girl I’ve Known For Years Who’s Been Calling Him “Baby R” Til Now
An old Canadian tv show called The Beach Combers had a Relic. He was pretty crusty.
Load More Replies...everybody gangsta until somebody names their kid "potoooooooo"
Load More Replies...My Due Date Group. She Turned Off Comments
I'm 70 years old, graduated in 1969, & knew a girl a year ahead of me in high school who was named Sequin. For real.
Load More Replies...Quintessential. As in this is a quintessentially dumb "unique" name idea. Quinn is a nice name.
s**t ur fine i’ve had strokes before i’ll help! * picks up defibrillator*
Load More Replies...I love the name Quinn! Why does it need to be longer. Quincy's only one letter longer.