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There is a vast valley with steep slopes and a raging river winding its way through the bottom that separates the people who are genuinely nice and those who only proclaim themselves to be ‘nice.’ Most of us know from experience that guys who are actually nice act very differently than those who are ‘nice guys.’

However, this post isn’t about nice guys. No, this one is about nice girls. Or rather—‘nice girls’ who believe they’re entitled to ‘perfect’ partners while dripping with hatred for the world and showing their true colors when things don’t go their way. In fact, there’s a place where they get called out: the r/Nicegirls subreddit that proves that fake ‘niceness’ knows no gender boundaries. See for your yourselves, dear Pandas. Be sure to read on for Bored Panda's interview with one of the moderators of the subreddit, user CTFOE_is_Free.

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Selfishness and altruism aren't as black and white as you might think. According to research, human history has shown that some forms of selfishness can be considered to be "healthy" while some altruism can be "pathological." Healthy selfishness led to higher levels of psychological well-being and a "genuine prosocial orientation." Meanwhile, pathological altruism was associated with vulnerable narcissism and selfish motivations for helping others. If that sounds familiar, it's the scientific basis for the difference between nice and 'nice.'

Moderator CTFOE_is_Fee told Bored Panda that the reason why some women are 'nice girls' is a combination of a few factors. "Some of them are too immature to realize what they're doing. Others are that manipulative on purpose. Lastly, some do not even realize what they're doing," they explained.

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Sowieso
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This kind of messaging is why men think they should try harder, and how you create an unsafe feeling for a lot of woman. Because a man will take away from this that no means yes. And that you have to keep trying, even though the woman made clear that she is not into you. It's a dangerous game to play!

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The Cat Isn’t What He Should Be Getting Rid Of

The Cat Isn’t What He Should Be Getting Rid Of

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Sum Guy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The cat has been there before her and judging by her being jealous of a cat, the cat will be there after she's gone

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We were curious to find out where the line between genuine niceness and fake 'niceness' was for the moderator. Here's what they had to say: "Personally, for me, the line is drawn when you can tell that someone is being passive-aggressive; when you can sense the subdued maliciousness in their words and actions. If your gut is telling you that something is not genuine about the person then they probably are not genuine. I think we've all experienced a few relationships like that in our lives. I do not see there being a large grey area between the two. You know when someone is being kind or not."

According to CTFOE_is_free, one of the things that new members need to keep in mind if they decide to join up is to read and follow the subreddit rules. "We have a strict No doxxing policy, as we work to respect and protect the privacy of the subjects of the content as well as that of the posters."

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I Went On One Date With This Girl And She Spent The Whole Time On Her Phone Drinking Coffee I Bought Her

I Went On One Date With This Girl And She Spent The Whole Time On Her Phone Drinking Coffee I Bought Her

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A Message To All Nice Girls Who Might Have A Screw Loose

A Message To All Nice Girls Who Might Have A Screw Loose

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Saint Thomas
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or maybe... confront him and talk about it ? Then make a decision ? I understand this is meant as a kind of joke with a twist, but it's not good advice, either way.

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According to the creators of the subreddit, the 'Nice Girls' community is like the ‘Nice Guys’ online group, but different in that they focus on women instead. Bored Panda has even written about them before. You can check out that post right over here once you’re done enjoying this list. Spoiler alert: proclaiming that you’re nice doesn’t make it so. The proof is in how you act, not the mild-mannered facade you show the world.

“For all the self-proclaimed ‘nice girls.’ For the women who complain ‘guys are only interested in [promiscuous women].’ For women who complain that men are shallow for not dating overweight women, while also demanding that their man have washboard abs. For the women who hold others to the highest possible standard, but have no standards for themselves,” the r/Nicegirls creators explain what their group is all about.

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A Nicegirl Daydream

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Now That's A Logical Leap

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Laughter is not good for my tummy pain right now, but that reply was funny as heck.

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The main focus of the subreddit is to shame these ‘nice girls’ in all their glory through images, articles, videos, and everything else. “This sub is not for female incels. This place is not for crazy girls. If you swap the genders and it doesn't belong on r/niceguys, then don't post it,” they explain.

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What’s more, the moderators point out that their community is “not a women hating subreddit.” They encourage members to be polite and “refrain from making sexist comments or being a bigot.” They have a zero-tolerance policy regarding things like that, so mind your manners. Yes, there’s a certain unsurprising irony there that a group about shaming people who are supposedly ‘nice’ actually requires folks to be nice.

However, just because r/Nicegirls deems these women worthy of being shamed doesn’t mean that they’re having an all-out war with them. Members of the group can’t post any identifying information about people: this way, they’re protected from internet users who might want to criticize them or insult them. After all, just because someone’s ‘nice’ now doesn’t mean that they’re not learning to be actually, genuinely nice. I’m a big believer that people can change if they set their minds to it.

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So You Know It's Wrong, But You Did It Anyway?

So You Know It's Wrong, But You Did It Anyway?

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh boy, and I bet that she still doesn't get the irony after being called out on it.

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So I Broke My Leg, And She Wanted To Go On A Date....

So I Broke My Leg, And She Wanted To Go On A Date....

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"I Just Said Goodnight, But I'm Gonna Throw A Tantrum If You Say Goodnight Back"

"I Just Said Goodnight, But I'm Gonna Throw A Tantrum If You Say Goodnight Back"

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh yeah coz men can read our minds and know exactly how we are feeling. How about stop playing games and tell him.

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Urban Dictionary defines 'nice girls' as women who believe they're the best choice to be someone's girlfriend. They're deemed by the internet to be manipulative, have self-esteem issues, and can be passive-aggressive. They also have problems with jealousy and being self-centered. Especially if rejected.

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The "I Don't Want Anything" Classic

The "I Don't Want Anything" Classic

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh another one playing stupid Games. If you say you don't want something then expect to not get it.

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Spanish Girls Are Her #1 Enemy

Spanish Girls Are Her #1 Enemy

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We Have The FBI And Then We Have This

We Have The FBI And Then We Have This

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What an absolute f*****g bitch. There is no sugar coating how I feel about people doing s**t like this.

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Usually, 'nice girls' are women who get others to pity her into dating her. In short, they're the female version of 'nice guys,' with all the drama and seething hatred you'd expect to see from them. Both 'nice girls' and 'nice guys' feel like they deserve to be in a relationship with anyone that they want or anyone that so much as smiles at them.

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Double Standards Are Great !

Double Standards Are Great !

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There’ll Be Blizzard In Hell Before I Stop Eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch For Breakfast

There’ll Be Blizzard In Hell Before I Stop Eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch For Breakfast

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They also believe that the world owes them what they want just because they're 'well-mannered.' The moment things go south and they don't get what they want, they rage at the world and proclaim that it's not fair that things are this way. Whereas a genuinely nice person is kind to others without expecting a reward, a self-proclaimed 'nice girl' or 'nice guy' hides the fact that they're really just after the reward. Usually, the reward they have in mind is romantic or [ahem] something more.

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#23

I'm Sure Nick Appreciates Your Support!

I'm Sure Nick Appreciates Your Support!

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My Ex Girlfriend Wanted To Meet For A Drink And I Said No As I Was Visiting My Terminally Ill Grandmother. She Said My Grandmother Was Lucky Be Dying Because She Would Be Ashamed Of Me. Then Put This Message On Her Instagram

My Ex Girlfriend Wanted To Meet For A Drink And I Said No As I Was Visiting My Terminally Ill Grandmother. She Said My Grandmother Was Lucky Be Dying Because She Would Be Ashamed Of Me. Then Put This Message On Her Instagram

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The Gentleman’s Journal suggests that the difference between nice and ‘nice’ depends on how honest we are with ourselves about our intentions. For instance, they explain that you should be generous, but that you shouldn’t use your generosity as a bargaining chip for other things. That means that why you’re doing something is just as important as the fact that you’re doing it.

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Don't Get Me What I Ask For

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Eva the Egg
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Come on, you cant be THAT unappreciative! You should be grateful you even have a boyfriend with that attitude

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My Ex Sent Death Treats To Me On My Birthday, This Was What Happened Afterwardss

My Ex Sent Death Treats To Me On My Birthday, This Was What Happened Afterwardss

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One thought in particular raised by the Gentleman’s Journal stuck in my mind: “Do be kind. But don’t do it just because you think you ought to.” The implication here is simple: being kind is vital. However, making the decision to be kind because you believe it’s the right thing to do is the key here.

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Nice Girls Don’t Exi-

Nice Girls Don’t Exi-

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's insane, I think she needs professional help. Super stalkerish. Hopefully she was charged.

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Being nice, polite, and kind just because you feel pressured to doesn’t make you nice. It makes you ‘nice.’ After all, kindness under duress isn’t really kindness, is it? But what do you think, dear Pandas? Why do you think ‘nice girls’ and ‘nice guys’ act the way that they do? Where do you think the line between actual kindness and fake kindness lies? Can we tell which is which from a distance? Share your thoughts with everyone else in the comments below.

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Okay, Thats Not Toxic At All

Okay, Thats Not Toxic At All

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It's Only Okay If I Can Go Through Your Phone

It's Only Okay If I Can Go Through Your Phone

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you can't trust your partner and have to go through their phone then maybe it's the wrong relationship for you or you need help with getting over your trust issues.

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Damn... I Don‘T Even Know Her

Damn... I Don‘T Even Know Her

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It’s Almost Like They’re There To Workout?

It’s Almost Like They’re There To Workout?

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Sum Guy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow... they are focused on working out at the gym? I have never heard of that before

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Another "I Don't Want Anything" One!

Another "I Don't Want Anything" One!

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von Funnyname
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like, to the point that it's a slogan/catch phrase, right? "No means no"...

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No means NO. And we wonder why some men keep trying after being told no when there are these mixed messages. Just stop with the bullshit games.

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Anna Banana
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But if he loved me, he would've figured it out! /s Seriously though, when did we lose our ability to communicate?!

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Brian Messerschmidt
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So when a guy propositions a girl and she says "No", that really means "Surprise me"?

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Kiss Army
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes for fun I tell my husband to "bring me back something I can't live without". He usually will bring back my favorite snack or sweet or a small surprise... he hasn't figured out yet that I am always referring to him.

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Sum Guy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why are we covering up these people's usernames... we need to know who to avoid

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Catlady6000
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wonder what will happen the day she says "no" and means it.

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Ash
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if you want him to surprise you just say "surprise me" it ain't that hard bruh.

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JessG
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These girls really cherry pick when "no" would actually mean "no"

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Elin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only "surprise me" means "surprise me". Nobody's a mind reader

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Luna Lovegood!
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

no LITERALLY MEANS no. that's it. if you want him to surprise you, say "surprise me" not, oh yeah, i told him not to get me anything, and he ACTUALLY didn't get me anything! that's so weird!

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Steve
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Next time he should bring back his new girlfriend. That would be a good surprise

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Avery Kinsey
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Umm ma'am don't no how to tell u this but no means no, a no is not a yes that needs a little encouraging.

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Sarah Grape
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

you should tell him that you consider 'no' to mean 'suprise me,' everyone has a different way of speaking and it's important to translate for new people in your life. your problem is that you didn't tell him what your version of 'no' meant

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Dark Pearl
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The f*****g dictionary definition of no is 'not any'. Last I checked, that means 'nothing', but okay then.

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Richard Henderson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

“Hey baby, wanna f**k?” “No!” *smiles knowingly* — Not the kind of thing you want to have hidden meanings for.

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Michael Naretto
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know where this person learned English but I was told that NO means just that...NO.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now lets apply that to an unpleasant situation where a woman is saying no to a man but he ignores her...

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Carrie Roettger
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband is the opposite. I tell him I don't want anything and mean it but he brings me something anyway.

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Celtic Pirate Queen
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Um, not true. "NO" means I don't want anything, "Surprise me" means he'll bring you back something. It might be sunscreen or a spatula. Speak up, dumb bitch.

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Anke Dieken
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised how many people (women in this case) get angry when they get exactly what they asked for. This is such a stupid behaviour.

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Vicky Z
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Years and years women are fighting for this "no" and you come to say that no means surprise me! Great job!

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Luna Lovegood
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kinda like- how do I put this... If a girl/guy kept being creepy and making you uncomfortable towards you, asking you out and you say no over and over would it mean surprise me? NO, it would not. My point has been made.

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Bobby Sammons
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So if she tells a guy no for sex, she really wants to raped instead???

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Lynn Morello
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe they can use that in a Rape Case.......... NO MEANS NO, no matter what it is.

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GreenCatz3
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then why not just say that? I want something, don't know what. Surprise me :)

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thisisanalt
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

every single 5yo and everyone in the world: no means no. HMPH!

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Hans (TheRealMoleman)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were dating here, I'd be "Wanna do a**l?" and when she says "no", I'd be like "SURPRISE!" and stick it in anyway. See? Everybody knows that "no" means surprise you! 🤦‍♂️

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Hazy Egg
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is what I taught my kids, and apparently what others should have taught,"no means no…don't ask again."

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AzKhaleesi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why my fiancé and I say "buy me something pretty" it's code for I don't care if you get me anything or not, but if you do, surprise me.

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BiLal Asif
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's why some people don't understand consent u dumb bitch

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Mario Gonzalez
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmmm... No means "surprise me" now. Bill Cosby is going to be so stoked when he gets out.

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Louison Messelis
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So if I try to f*ck a girl and she says "no" this doesn't mean she doesn't want to, only that she wants me to surprise her? Welp, consent and communication are farther away than I thought *facepalm*

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EQXL
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No means no.....how can we get men to understand no means no when you're here telling everyone it means surprise me.....

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Rukkia
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nope. Don't lay that down on anyone else. I am notoriously food indecisive. My partner knows this. So he asks me if I want something, he knows that I am either gonna say yes, no, or yes but I don't know what. He acts accordingly. Quit playing these games with people. No one is gonna pass them.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s a relief to me. Mine always comes back with something like chocolate or chips or something I probably either already have or don’t want to eat anymore lol. Then I’m like obligated to eat it.

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OrangeChicken
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well that's why guys rape. SOME DON'T F*****G KNOW THE MEANING OF "NO"!!

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Metaniel
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It will be rude, but imagine a rapist using her tweet against her. "You wrote that no means surprise me, so here I am" w h a t

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Julius Martin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i could SWORN that there was a whole ass campaign about no means no, and how one no is enough, hm

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Roland Kreslin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stupid brat.. No means No. Its even written on huge billboards which you can see all over USA

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kurisutofu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so happy my wife is not like that! Once I decided to surprise her, just because there was a new sweets and I thought she'd like to try it, even though she said she wanted nothing. The sweets was spoiled because ... She really didn't want anything that evening!

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Gabi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A moment of silence for all the women who have been trying for years to make the world understand that 'no' means 'no'.

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Bianca Du Toit
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah yes, this must be why some guys interpret "no" as "yes" when sex is involved. Tsk. F*****g twatwaffle.

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Pixel Dreams
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So if she was on a date and a guy tries to force himself on her, would this dumb girl still mean surprise me?

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Oskar vanZandt
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nothing is exactly what you would get from me in this situation... A "Surprise me, darlin'.'" would bear different fruit...

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James016
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who knew that not wanting anything from the shop will result in not having anything from the shop. All this person is telling their boyfriend is that he cannot take anything she says at face value and that nothing he does will be good enough as she is expecting much more

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Tami
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This may be why guys won't take 'no' for an answer sometimes!

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The Truth Comes Out. My Former Best Friend, Who I Ended Up Dating And Then It Killed Off Our Friendship When Things Went South

The Truth Comes Out. My Former Best Friend, Who I Ended Up Dating And Then It Killed Off Our Friendship When Things Went South

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Feel Like This Belongs Here

Feel Like This Belongs Here

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And Breaking Worth 40$ Isn't Cruel?

And Breaking Worth 40$ Isn't Cruel?

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Raine Soo
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, keep on telling yourself that after your boyfriend breaks up with you, and you're sitting home alone fuming.

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This Is The Second Time I've Ever Talked To Her, What The Hell

This Is The Second Time I've Ever Talked To Her, What The Hell

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Nice Girl Has Trouble With Her Spelling

Nice Girl Has Trouble With Her Spelling

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