40 Examples Of ‘Nice Girls’, A Female Equivalent Of The Toxic ‘Nice Guys’
Interview
There is a vast valley with steep slopes and a raging river winding its way through the bottom that separates the people who are genuinely nice and those who only proclaim themselves to be ‘nice.’ Most of us know from experience that guys who are actually nice act very differently than those who are ‘nice guys.’
However, this post isn’t about nice guys. No, this one is about nice girls. Or rather—‘nice girls’ who believe they’re entitled to ‘perfect’ partners while dripping with hatred for the world and showing their true colors when things don’t go their way. In fact, there’s a place where they get called out: the r/Nicegirls subreddit that proves that fake ‘niceness’ knows no gender boundaries. See for your yourselves, dear Pandas. Be sure to read on for Bored Panda's interview with one of the moderators of the subreddit, user CTFOE_is_Free.
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Something That Every Nice Girl Must Hear
What A Sweetheart
I agree with the reply. She deserves so much worse and he deserves so much better.
Just mentioning "caste" should be enough. Ifyou think money will buy you happiness, good luck shopping!
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What is is with women wanting an expensive ring? My bf could propose to me with a cheeto and I would gladly accept. Someone wants to spend the rest of their life with you and you focus on the price of the ring? That's so shallow
That's a cultural thing. In Europe much much MUCH more simple rings are preferred.... if any. Plus: our weddings are not as big as in the US for example. There are no bridesmaids for instance. Nor groomsmen. Only two witnesses, if even that.
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Do I sense some (a lot of) humble bragging? Anyway, she would make a living hell for him if this is her attitude.
I missed the "humble" bit, just looks like straight forward bragging to me
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"I resent him for not being able to spoil me." Oh God.
I was wondering that as well. I thought perhaps the ending was going to turn into some kind of history lesson.
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omg if she makes aaaaaall that money, she can fu...g spoil herself, and her boyfriend too. But I agree with the reply: he deserves better!
At the words "the right caste" I knew it was time to say, "Call hazmat, we have a toxic waste incident".
Um is it only me or is there someone else who actually appreciates partners that can get you nice but not overpriced things
Frankly, if it's nice and you trash picked it for free off the side of the road, just because you knew it was something I would love. Ohhhh mmmyyyyy.
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Honey, the only ring you deserve is the one you’ll get in your ear after being bish slapped back into reality.
“Of the right caste” who tf goes around saying this? Poor guy. He deserves way better.
Forgive me, but a kick in the butt is what she should get for Valentines
The right "caste"? Yeah he should definitely dump her and find someone who will love him for just being him. And there's nothing wrong with Zales.
I agree! The point of a relationship isn't to be spoiled and show off things, people need to understand that. The gift came from his heart. That's all that matters.
I mean two properties is still a heck of a lot more than most of us!!
"of the right CASTE" That one line speaks louder then everything else
His family has two properties! I think that he’s fine but yes dump him so he can get a good girlfriend
My heart is hurting for him. I hope the blinders come off before he makes the mistake of proposing. Any engagement ring he picks is going to 'embarrass' her. Any home he suggests they buy together will be beneath her perceived self-worth. And the designer clothes for the kids as they come along? That will be the straw that breaks him.
When my fiancé proposed to me with a white gold and diamond ring, the second thing I said ('of course' being the first) was 'please tell me you didn't spend crazy money on this' - it was his grandma's thank goodness. I feel very uncomfortable when I get expensive gifts, it just doesn't sit well. I think anyone who equates expense with affection needs therapy because that isn't healthy (to be fair most people could do with therapy, everyone has issues they could use some help with).
I hope she finds someone just like her so she won't ruin other nice people.
you can get nice gifts for under thirty dollars. I don't understand. does she want hundreds of roses and big candy bars and all that? Valentine's day isn't about the gifts, it's about the love and showing your partner how much you love them. even if it's a small gift, it's better than nothing. and it's the thought that counts
Heyyyyy, there's a big ol' mirror in the bathroom. You can shut the door and kiss yourself for hours in private.
What a self-entitled asshat. I hope he found someone who really loves him.
Wow. I really hope he saw her for the brat she is and found someone who would care about the right things needed for a relationship. Just wow.
if she hadn't already lost me by the time i hit "he's of the right caste" i would've been lost there. what a horrible person.
Is she the sister of that chick that convinced her boyfriend to kill himself?
And I can just hear Karma waiting in the wings saying, "just wait for what I have in store, sweetie, just wait..."
Damn. She is someone raised hook line and sinker on Capitalism. It breeds very shallow people with very little empathy. Very depressing.
WOW. The audacity is just lovely...uppity bitch doesn't quite cover it.
Ma'am, the only caste you deserve is one of angry human-sized worker wasps. With shotguns.
Cows are generally nice and not mean or interested in money.
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Going through divorce with the partner you love is like been in hell, my husband filed for a divorce without giving me reasons. I was totally down for I had no idea of what was happening and I tried to confront him to know what led to such action but he didn't give me listening ears. I tried getting to know what happened through his family members but that didn't work either and this time was going mad about everything till I searched for help online and I came across Lord Zakuza contact number +1 740-573-9483 and I messaged him to let him know what I was going through and Lord Zakuza encouraged and promised to help me with his powerful spell and within 48 hours after contacting Lord Zakuza and followed all his instructions, my attorney called me to get me informed that the divorce case has been cancelled and after 30 minutes, I got a call from my husband pleading and begging for forgiveness and right now we are back together with so much love and care. Thank You Lord Zakuza..
Love the veiled sexism in the 'even my MOM makes more than his DAD'. What a cow.
That's not even remotely "nice", it's pure entitlement coupled with shitty values.
oh wow when i first started reading i thought it was about a nice girl wanting to help her boyfriend but its actually a story about an insensitive, snobby, rich spoiled brat with no empathy or kindness. this is disgusting.
Is this how it happens to wealthy people? One day, they lose all sight of what's real, and are only interested in amassing more and more wealth? They're like dragons, ffs.
Even though I know there are really people out there like this, it shocks me to see that there are literally people out in the world like this, walking among us
Wow... I mean... I .... yup no words, what a worthless piece of s**t she is.
is this one of those rare spoiled girls that are too lazy to look for thier sugar daddy?
Who's out there discussing their parents' salaries with their BF/GF???
They should break up, I'm pretty sure he might also have reservations on this thing too. The truth is, society has different classes and even when there is plenty of love to go around, if you're different in what you like in life, then it won't work.
Differences can work if they're complementary (such as the poet househusband whose wife is a university professor and happy that he's a good father to her child), but they're in conflict here.
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This bîtch sounds like an inbred from the mid 1970s. “My family owns blah blah” as if she had anything to do with that, or that has anything to do with her relationship. And I bet the guy acts the same way about people poorer than him.
She may be mentioning caste because it means that they are of the same social rank appropriate for marriage. It's the least problematic piece of info she's giving out.
I'd argue it's one of the most problematic given how archaic the caste system is
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Selfishness and altruism aren't as black and white as you might think. According to research, human history has shown that some forms of selfishness can be considered to be "healthy" while some altruism can be "pathological." Healthy selfishness led to higher levels of psychological well-being and a "genuine prosocial orientation." Meanwhile, pathological altruism was associated with vulnerable narcissism and selfish motivations for helping others. If that sounds familiar, it's the scientific basis for the difference between nice and 'nice.'
Moderator CTFOE_is_Fee told Bored Panda that the reason why some women are 'nice girls' is a combination of a few factors. "Some of them are too immature to realize what they're doing. Others are that manipulative on purpose. Lastly, some do not even realize what they're doing," they explained.
But Why? Smh Entitled Queens Lol
This kind of messaging is why men think they should try harder, and how you create an unsafe feeling for a lot of woman. Because a man will take away from this that no means yes. And that you have to keep trying, even though the woman made clear that she is not into you. It's a dangerous game to play!
Half Way
The Cat Isn’t What He Should Be Getting Rid Of
We were curious to find out where the line between genuine niceness and fake 'niceness' was for the moderator. Here's what they had to say: "Personally, for me, the line is drawn when you can tell that someone is being passive-aggressive; when you can sense the subdued maliciousness in their words and actions. If your gut is telling you that something is not genuine about the person then they probably are not genuine. I think we've all experienced a few relationships like that in our lives. I do not see there being a large grey area between the two. You know when someone is being kind or not."
According to CTFOE_is_free, one of the things that new members need to keep in mind if they decide to join up is to read and follow the subreddit rules. "We have a strict No doxxing policy, as we work to respect and protect the privacy of the subjects of the content as well as that of the posters."
I Went On One Date With This Girl And She Spent The Whole Time On Her Phone Drinking Coffee I Bought Her
Back Off Girl
A Message To All Nice Girls Who Might Have A Screw Loose
Or maybe... confront him and talk about it ? Then make a decision ? I understand this is meant as a kind of joke with a twist, but it's not good advice, either way.
According to the creators of the subreddit, the 'Nice Girls' community is like the ‘Nice Guys’ online group, but different in that they focus on women instead. Bored Panda has even written about them before. You can check out that post right over here once you’re done enjoying this list. Spoiler alert: proclaiming that you’re nice doesn’t make it so. The proof is in how you act, not the mild-mannered facade you show the world.
“For all the self-proclaimed ‘nice girls.’ For the women who complain ‘guys are only interested in [promiscuous women].’ For women who complain that men are shallow for not dating overweight women, while also demanding that their man have washboard abs. For the women who hold others to the highest possible standard, but have no standards for themselves,” the r/Nicegirls creators explain what their group is all about.
A Nicegirl Daydream
Now That's A Logical Leap
I Feel Like Me Sleeping Is Causing Riots
The main focus of the subreddit is to shame these ‘nice girls’ in all their glory through images, articles, videos, and everything else. “This sub is not for female incels. This place is not for crazy girls. If you swap the genders and it doesn't belong on r/niceguys, then don't post it,” they explain.
What’s more, the moderators point out that their community is “not a women hating subreddit.” They encourage members to be polite and “refrain from making sexist comments or being a bigot.” They have a zero-tolerance policy regarding things like that, so mind your manners. Yes, there’s a certain unsurprising irony there that a group about shaming people who are supposedly ‘nice’ actually requires folks to be nice.
However, just because r/Nicegirls deems these women worthy of being shamed doesn’t mean that they’re having an all-out war with them. Members of the group can’t post any identifying information about people: this way, they’re protected from internet users who might want to criticize them or insult them. After all, just because someone’s ‘nice’ now doesn’t mean that they’re not learning to be actually, genuinely nice. I’m a big believer that people can change if they set their minds to it.
So You Know It's Wrong, But You Did It Anyway?
Oh boy, and I bet that she still doesn't get the irony after being called out on it.
So I Broke My Leg, And She Wanted To Go On A Date....
She could have gone to see him, or bring food..what is wrong with people
"I Just Said Goodnight, But I'm Gonna Throw A Tantrum If You Say Goodnight Back"
Oh yeah coz men can read our minds and know exactly how we are feeling. How about stop playing games and tell him.
Urban Dictionary defines 'nice girls' as women who believe they're the best choice to be someone's girlfriend. They're deemed by the internet to be manipulative, have self-esteem issues, and can be passive-aggressive. They also have problems with jealousy and being self-centered. Especially if rejected.
The "I Don't Want Anything" Classic
Ugh another one playing stupid Games. If you say you don't want something then expect to not get it.
Spanish Girls Are Her #1 Enemy
We Have The FBI And Then We Have This
What an absolute f*****g bitch. There is no sugar coating how I feel about people doing s**t like this.
Usually, 'nice girls' are women who get others to pity her into dating her. In short, they're the female version of 'nice guys,' with all the drama and seething hatred you'd expect to see from them. Both 'nice girls' and 'nice guys' feel like they deserve to be in a relationship with anyone that they want or anyone that so much as smiles at them.
Double Standards Are Great !
F**k that s**t. There is ZERO excuse for cheating whether you are male or female.
There’ll Be Blizzard In Hell Before I Stop Eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch For Breakfast
We Aren’t Dating
They also believe that the world owes them what they want just because they're 'well-mannered.' The moment things go south and they don't get what they want, they rage at the world and proclaim that it's not fair that things are this way. Whereas a genuinely nice person is kind to others without expecting a reward, a self-proclaimed 'nice girl' or 'nice guy' hides the fact that they're really just after the reward. Usually, the reward they have in mind is romantic or [ahem] something more.
Not Sure If This Counts But...
I'm Sure Nick Appreciates Your Support!
What's not cool is acting like you are innocent when you are in fact not.
My Ex Girlfriend Wanted To Meet For A Drink And I Said No As I Was Visiting My Terminally Ill Grandmother. She Said My Grandmother Was Lucky Be Dying Because She Would Be Ashamed Of Me. Then Put This Message On Her Instagram
The Gentleman’s Journal suggests that the difference between nice and ‘nice’ depends on how honest we are with ourselves about our intentions. For instance, they explain that you should be generous, but that you shouldn’t use your generosity as a bargaining chip for other things. That means that why you’re doing something is just as important as the fact that you’re doing it.
Don't Get Me What I Ask For
Come on, you cant be THAT unappreciative! You should be grateful you even have a boyfriend with that attitude
Restoration 100. Smh My Head
My Ex Sent Death Treats To Me On My Birthday, This Was What Happened Afterwardss
One thought in particular raised by the Gentleman’s Journal stuck in my mind: “Do be kind. But don’t do it just because you think you ought to.” The implication here is simple: being kind is vital. However, making the decision to be kind because you believe it’s the right thing to do is the key here.
Abuse Ain’t Cute
Nice Girls Don’t Exi-
That's insane, I think she needs professional help. Super stalkerish. Hopefully she was charged.
You Are But A Pawn Which I Control
Being nice, polite, and kind just because you feel pressured to doesn’t make you nice. It makes you ‘nice.’ After all, kindness under duress isn’t really kindness, is it? But what do you think, dear Pandas? Why do you think ‘nice girls’ and ‘nice guys’ act the way that they do? Where do you think the line between actual kindness and fake kindness lies? Can we tell which is which from a distance? Share your thoughts with everyone else in the comments below.
Okay, Thats Not Toxic At All
It's Only Okay If I Can Go Through Your Phone
If you can't trust your partner and have to go through their phone then maybe it's the wrong relationship for you or you need help with getting over your trust issues.
Damn... I Don‘T Even Know Her
It’s Almost Like They’re There To Workout?
Another "I Don't Want Anything" One!
The Truth Comes Out. My Former Best Friend, Who I Ended Up Dating And Then It Killed Off Our Friendship When Things Went South
Feel Like This Belongs Here
If it was the other way round out would be a different story.
And Breaking Worth 40$ Isn't Cruel?
This Is The Second Time I've Ever Talked To Her, What The Hell
Nice Girl Has Trouble With Her Spelling
Note: this post originally had 63 images. It’s been shortened to the top 40 images based on user votes.
So we are discovering that the REAL problem is that people are assholes, male/female, makes no difference. I do see several incidences of sexism however and it just shows that both sexes fall victim to toxic sexism (yes EVEN THESE assholes are making themselves victims by perpetrating sexist views) We really need kids to be taught how not to be assholes before it's too late..
I'm convinced that some of these people are straight-up mentally ill. Because HOW are they like this???
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I realize this smacks of victim blaming, but if you are training him to think no does not mean no, what do you think will happen when you do mean it? Seriously, these women set everything back. If this is the primary type of women some men have to deal with, is it any wonder we have problems teaching respect?!? What really concerns me is that some of these women are raising sons
Such a good point. I wonder who it is that raises men to be rapists? These attitudes sure don't help..
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The problem with me reading these is it makes me feel like I'm this perfect girlfriend which I'm obviously not. Something to work on...
At least Pamela24 can admit she may have some issues and isn't perfect. I applaud her. I hope the best for her in her relationships.
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I once read an article about a girl who would put nicotine patches on her boyfriend every time he slept at her house, so he'd confuse nicotine withdrawals with just not being with his gf and if that ain't the most toxic s**t you've ever heard...
That’s deeply insane, but I’d also watch a movie about it.
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I'd love to know the ages of these people. All of these people seem like they're in their early teens to very early twenties. The immaturity is palpable.
Tbh, anyone who has to tell you they're nice..... Probably isn't nice.
I don't think you understand what "nice guys" are like. These women are assholes. Only one of them said the guy was missing out on her bad behavior.
These are not female counterparts of "nice guy". No one of them is saying "bc he don't want me? I'm soooooo nice"; "boys only likes sl**s" or something. They are only duba**es
"Good grief i don't have a girlfriend, oh wait im a married man!" that is my old man jokes
Boomer humor / “haha isn’t it funny to hate your own wife?” Gag.
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Sense of entitlement runs deep with the women/girls who posted these examples...
All of that, only to have the most Textbook Nice Girl comment voted LAST from all the Nice Girl / Not Like the Other Girls / incels here.
There are just horrible people around, regardless of male or female. It's not gender specific. So lets not generalize along those lines.
Do we really need these 'them and us' posts, it really doesn't help matters.
Don't know why your comment is down voted as it is a valid point.
Load More Replies... Quite a few people need help. I mean it. We might dismiss it or avoid it. But this behaviour is not good.
These can't be real. If they are, they all sound like they're probably twelve. 'Back in my day', girls were still playing barbie when they were twelve, and there were no cell phones or social media. Crazy, I know. You actually had to talk to someone's face. So, forgive me for being ignorant if these types if women really exist.
If I hadn't experienced this kind of crazy in my life, I don't know if I would have believed it existed.. also.. Meegan! You forgot your jacket!
And women wonder why men would rather just focus on their jobs, work their way up the ladder and ignore BS like this.
No woman wonders that because that’s not what happens. Men get wrapped in drama with these dumb women and they chase them and pursue these women. Most men can’t even recognize these dumb women as long as they’re moderately attractive or the guy is moderately horny.
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............and yet... these are the kinds of people that people I know date... repeatedly... with very similar outcomes... and then they ask me "What's happening, why does this keep happening to me?" - and I say something... average, normal, logical... like "You can stop dating them. Why did you keep the relationship going?" - and when the response is "But s/he was really hot"... then this switch in my head goes "Ah. They didn't actually want a real answer..."
Now I am glad, that I am gay, so I don't have to deal with these kind of abominations.
everyone here reminds me of that one part of heathers the musical where veronica said “she is a mythic bitch...” these girls need serious help! like 179,000 texts then breaking into someone’s house hecking naked! after one date! smh. like my group chat generates sometimes 1700 texts in a weekend when i’m away, but over 3000 in one night is insaneeeeee! you got to be soooo drunk to do something like that-
oK These "nice girs" make Glen Close look like a kindergarden little girl...
Every day, ask "AITA"? and if you don't hesitate to say, "NO!" then I suspect possibly the answer is "yes". But that's my take, b/c I was raised to do a daily examination of conscience. (Or, as they now call it,a pparently, Reddit? ;-D)
Half of these are fake, and the other half are examples of serious personality disorders.
I don't think it's accurate to compare these women to 'nice guys'. Nice guys refers to a particular kind of toxic. These women show a range of toxic behaviours, only a couple of which directly equate to the 'nice guy' thing. And a few of which are much scarier.
Yeah, these are crazy women, not "nice girls"
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Women being borderline psychotic don't scare men? I see what you're going for, but the assumptions you make seem to cut a few corners.
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Agree. Some of them do, but most of those are voted down to the bottom. I don’t think you should call people beta though, that isn’t accurate.
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I think at this point the word "NICE" when referring to dating has lost all meaning, for men when we have in the past talked about Nice Guys we meant guys that always end up in the friend zone for the reasons you outlined above, women mean men that act nice but are not and this just seems to be its own thing altogether; women that are crazy and entitled.
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Almost every woman in this post believed they deserved a boyfriend or sex for behaving a certain way. I'd be hard pressed to say they *aren't* the female equivalent to "nice guys".
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So we are discovering that the REAL problem is that people are assholes, male/female, makes no difference. I do see several incidences of sexism however and it just shows that both sexes fall victim to toxic sexism (yes EVEN THESE assholes are making themselves victims by perpetrating sexist views) We really need kids to be taught how not to be assholes before it's too late..
I'm convinced that some of these people are straight-up mentally ill. Because HOW are they like this???
Load More Replies... I realize this smacks of victim blaming, but if you are training him to think no does not mean no, what do you think will happen when you do mean it? Seriously, these women set everything back. If this is the primary type of women some men have to deal with, is it any wonder we have problems teaching respect?!? What really concerns me is that some of these women are raising sons
Such a good point. I wonder who it is that raises men to be rapists? These attitudes sure don't help..
Load More Replies... The problem with me reading these is it makes me feel like I'm this perfect girlfriend which I'm obviously not. Something to work on...
At least Pamela24 can admit she may have some issues and isn't perfect. I applaud her. I hope the best for her in her relationships.
Load More Replies... I once read an article about a girl who would put nicotine patches on her boyfriend every time he slept at her house, so he'd confuse nicotine withdrawals with just not being with his gf and if that ain't the most toxic s**t you've ever heard...
That’s deeply insane, but I’d also watch a movie about it.
Load More Replies... I'd love to know the ages of these people. All of these people seem like they're in their early teens to very early twenties. The immaturity is palpable.
Tbh, anyone who has to tell you they're nice..... Probably isn't nice.
I don't think you understand what "nice guys" are like. These women are assholes. Only one of them said the guy was missing out on her bad behavior.
These are not female counterparts of "nice guy". No one of them is saying "bc he don't want me? I'm soooooo nice"; "boys only likes sl**s" or something. They are only duba**es
"Good grief i don't have a girlfriend, oh wait im a married man!" that is my old man jokes
Boomer humor / “haha isn’t it funny to hate your own wife?” Gag.
Load More Replies... Sense of entitlement runs deep with the women/girls who posted these examples...
All of that, only to have the most Textbook Nice Girl comment voted LAST from all the Nice Girl / Not Like the Other Girls / incels here.
There are just horrible people around, regardless of male or female. It's not gender specific. So lets not generalize along those lines.
Do we really need these 'them and us' posts, it really doesn't help matters.
Don't know why your comment is down voted as it is a valid point.
Load More Replies... Quite a few people need help. I mean it. We might dismiss it or avoid it. But this behaviour is not good.
These can't be real. If they are, they all sound like they're probably twelve. 'Back in my day', girls were still playing barbie when they were twelve, and there were no cell phones or social media. Crazy, I know. You actually had to talk to someone's face. So, forgive me for being ignorant if these types if women really exist.
If I hadn't experienced this kind of crazy in my life, I don't know if I would have believed it existed.. also.. Meegan! You forgot your jacket!
And women wonder why men would rather just focus on their jobs, work their way up the ladder and ignore BS like this.
No woman wonders that because that’s not what happens. Men get wrapped in drama with these dumb women and they chase them and pursue these women. Most men can’t even recognize these dumb women as long as they’re moderately attractive or the guy is moderately horny.
Load More Replies... ............and yet... these are the kinds of people that people I know date... repeatedly... with very similar outcomes... and then they ask me "What's happening, why does this keep happening to me?" - and I say something... average, normal, logical... like "You can stop dating them. Why did you keep the relationship going?" - and when the response is "But s/he was really hot"... then this switch in my head goes "Ah. They didn't actually want a real answer..."
Now I am glad, that I am gay, so I don't have to deal with these kind of abominations.
everyone here reminds me of that one part of heathers the musical where veronica said “she is a mythic bitch...” these girls need serious help! like 179,000 texts then breaking into someone’s house hecking naked! after one date! smh. like my group chat generates sometimes 1700 texts in a weekend when i’m away, but over 3000 in one night is insaneeeeee! you got to be soooo drunk to do something like that-
oK These "nice girs" make Glen Close look like a kindergarden little girl...
Every day, ask "AITA"? and if you don't hesitate to say, "NO!" then I suspect possibly the answer is "yes". But that's my take, b/c I was raised to do a daily examination of conscience. (Or, as they now call it,a pparently, Reddit? ;-D)
Half of these are fake, and the other half are examples of serious personality disorders.
I don't think it's accurate to compare these women to 'nice guys'. Nice guys refers to a particular kind of toxic. These women show a range of toxic behaviours, only a couple of which directly equate to the 'nice guy' thing. And a few of which are much scarier.
Yeah, these are crazy women, not "nice girls"
Load More Replies... Women being borderline psychotic don't scare men? I see what you're going for, but the assumptions you make seem to cut a few corners.
Load More Replies... Agree. Some of them do, but most of those are voted down to the bottom. I don’t think you should call people beta though, that isn’t accurate.
Load More Replies... I think at this point the word "NICE" when referring to dating has lost all meaning, for men when we have in the past talked about Nice Guys we meant guys that always end up in the friend zone for the reasons you outlined above, women mean men that act nice but are not and this just seems to be its own thing altogether; women that are crazy and entitled.
Load More Replies... Almost every woman in this post believed they deserved a boyfriend or sex for behaving a certain way. I'd be hard pressed to say they *aren't* the female equivalent to "nice guys".
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