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What does it mean to be a "real" man? Well, masculinity is one of those topics everyone has an opinion on, as gender norms remain a delicate subject that tends to spark heated debates online. And even though public attitudes are becoming more accepting in many ways, stereotypical patterns of masculine behavior are still deeply rooted in our society — according to the age-old cliché of the masculine guy, men are expected to be strong, brave, and dominant.

But in reality, when people are telling everyone that a macho man doesn't cry, takes risks, makes money, fears nothing, and — heaven forbid! — never shows any signs of emotional vulnerability, it can spark some pretty warped ideas about manhood.

Thanks to one illuminating corner of Twitter called 'Hot Masculinity Takes,' we get to see a galore of absurd cases when this happens online. "Welcome to the Alpha Zone," says the account’s description, and you already know it’s gonna be a wild ride. So continue scrolling to check out the absolutely ridiculous opinions about men on the Internet, and don’t miss the chat we had about masculinity with licensed clinical psychologist Dr. Jesse Matthews right below.

Psst! After you’re done with this list, more madness awaits in Part 1 of this feature right here.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wanna punch the idiot who wrote this put down. And I’m an oh-so-estrogenic woman. My crushing lack of testosterone must be making me so irrational to say something like this. Isn’t it?🙄😤😡 Who is this misogynistic weirdo, to think he can be rude to the ladies and gentlemen like that? Bet he’s an insecure neckbeard.

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It’s hard to avoid encountering the term toxic masculinity these days. But as the person behind the account, who preferred to stay anonymous, told my colleague Rokas in a previous interview, this social media project is not purely about that. The philosophy of the page is to post the takes and let people make their own conclusions. "I do draw a lot from the manosphere but a lot of the takes are from women speaking about men, and I include left-wing hot takes too," the creator added.

A brief scroll through the list proves that harmful stereotypes about what it means to be a man are abundant in today’s society. But what exactly urges people to share their absurd statements without any second thought? And how can these ideas affect men seeking out their masculine identity?

To gain more insight on the topic from an expert, we reached out to Dr. Jesse Matthews, Psy.D., a licensed clinical psychologist based in Chester Springs, PA. According to him, ideas about masculinity have become quite polarized in our society.

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"As masculinity has moved away from the 'manly man' or 'tough guy' definitions, many people have not only clung to these stereotypes, but they have made them more extreme," Dr. Matthews told Bored Panda. This usually stems from people rejecting the changing views, and "social media in particular creates echo chambers for this, with various influencers carrying the flags for those who identify with their views."

While we all bear different perspectives on the world around us, masculinity especially can be a very deep rabbit hole with a variety of different viewpoints. But Dr. Matthews raised an important question: why do these ideas matter so much to people?

"Obviously, it’s part of life for any guy or anyone who identifies with masculinity, but the obsession with being a 'real man' is more based in insecurity. The person essentially needs to ensure that they present a masculine enough identity to avoid judgment or being called out as not masculine by other guys," the psychologist explained.

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Men who are insecure about their manliness exhibit behavior that is often exaggerated and even caricature-like. But Dr. Matthews says there’s also irony at play here. "Many of these individuals would tell you that being a real man means just doing your thing and not caring about what anyone thinks about it. However, one can’t simultaneously obsess over portraying an ultramasculine image, yet claim to be unconcerned about judgment. It just doesn’t compute."

Hypermasculinity — or toxic masculinity as it’s usually called — is also based on the false belief that masculinity needs to be saved, Dr. Matthews argued. "In the same way that some people seem to be afraid that racism or homophobia might one day die out. So they embrace stereotypes, or how they think things 'should' be or were in 'the good old days.'"

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, so a man drinking a fruity drink sounds like a great way to filter out super shallow people. Drink up men, the fruity drinks are the best.

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But putting men (half of the world’s population!) in a box can seriously harm their well-being. "It’s limiting at best, and at worst it leads people to play into these stereotypes." For example, hypermasculinity often makes people act in ways "that are sexist or homophobic, or at least not challenging others on this kind of behavior."

"It also has the power to create toxic environments, uncomfortable for women or men viewed as not masculine, and of course to lead to situations involving sexual assault," Dr. Matthews continued. "As well, if these men carry on these thoughts and behaviors through adulthood, they may pass them down to their children or other young people they come into contact with, like kids they are teaching, coaching, and so on."

According to the American Psychological Association (APA), instilling elements of traditional masculinity into men and boys can be psychologically harmful, as it has been shown to limit their development, constrain their behavior, and result in gender role conflict. What’s more, it can negatively influence their mental and physical health.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This screams red flag all over. Anyone under that height is usually underage (with the exception of naturally petite women).

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And men wonder why we women have a tendency to come off as cold, closed-off, and wary with men we dont know. Obviously, even the men we DO think we know can be a danger to us.

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For men who try to seek out their identity and find a healthy relationship with their inner guy, these societal pressures and expectations can be especially burdensome. "It can be hard for people to stand out or to be seen as going against those around them. For example, a male raised in a family or in a community with traditional masculine stereotypes may find it hard to explore or adopt a less stereotyped identity," Dr. Matthews said, adding the person is likely to be criticized, punished, or excluded for it.

Unfortunately, most people who are raised in stereotyped environments tend to internalize those behavior patterns. Psychologist Matthews explained this happens because they don’t know anything else and it feels right to them, or they feel pressure to fit in.

"This can mean demonstrating extreme or toxic masculinity, as not only could one fit in that way, but he could be praised or more highly valued in the group for it." And, alarmingly, "in places like prisons where this applies, it could actually help you to survive."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only the most insecure men use words like alpha and beta males. Do they not realize how it makes them sound?

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Extreme views like the painfully ridiculous ones featured on 'Hot Masculinity Takes' are rarely a positive thing. But as the modern world now teaches us, the subject matter is much less black-and-white.

"Masculinity is not simply the opposite of femininity, just as it is not synonymous with heterosexuality," Dr. Matthews noted. "Many people today see being masculine as being calm and controlled vs angry and reactive, being a good problem solver rather than one who relies on brute force to solve everything, or standing up for other people or what’s right vs trying to control or overpower others."

What people see as healthy masculinity may differ, but generally, we can all foster it by not judging other people. "This means not being worried about what other men are doing and giving people the space to be themselves," Dr. Matthews added. "We can all do what we want to do and believe what we want to believe. Masculinity isn’t going anywhere, so people don’t need to try to be the protectors of it or to act in stereotyped ways to let people know they exist."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mmm, yes, let's never stop living with perpetual brutality, chaos, and death.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

High blood pressure, obesity, high blood sugar, malnutrition, but I can't think of any real reasons.

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Margaret Hooper
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Has anyone else noticed the OP is supposed to be a nutritionist and fitness guru who hasn't a clue about healthy eating?

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Amanda Rose
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Exhibit A of why male eating disorders don't get the recognition that they deserve. It's c**p being said like all the food related posts on this list. Just let people f'ing eat!

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hello Wendy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree! Here's a novel concept, how about as a general rule just not commenting on someone's body or what they're putting in it? Male or female, unless you're their doctor, it's not your business!!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't you know?! Men are supposed to die young from controllable issues.🙄 This is absolutely ridiculous

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband periodically gets a taste for a nice big salad, and there’s no way he could be considered untrustworthy or not manly. He IS a man who is comfortable enough in his masculinity to not give a s**t what some insecure wannabe baby man thinks.

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Gustav Gallifrey
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A 'nutritionist' is saying men should never eat salads? That's not a trustworthy nutritionist!

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Phil Green
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet it says he's a "PhD, fitness, nutritio..." I doubt he's any of those things and is actually some fat guy in a stained string vest, sat in a basement somewhere...

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fitness and nutrition guy is against salads. Lol. What a tool. *munches a badass salad made of bricks and flames*

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't even count the number of times waitstaff have switched mine and my husband's food. I didn't even realize that food was also a gender thing until this started happening. I guess cheeseburgers are for men and shrimp is for women in most peoples minds.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can rely on him living longer than the one who eats nothing but greasy food.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So males that eat healthy, rounded meals are suspect somehow?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My husband likes a good steak salad. Is exceedingly trustworthy and reliable to a fault. So much for that theory. You'd think someone with PhD after their name would recognize a healthy meal when they saw one.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd love to read some of the reasoning behind this. I'm sure there's a lot of evicende to it that is beyond any doubt, even bedoubt any yond.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is one person on this planet who can get away with saying things like this and it's Ron Swanson. And that's mostly because he's fictional.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And he calls himself a nutritionist? My nephew has one fewer college degrees and would find this guy to be an idiot.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Salads are girly now? Love to see him go in to a restaurant in a Mediterranean country and say that out loud.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a real man wanted a salad, he's eat a salad! If you can't be honest with yourself, you definitely aren't trustworthy.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

*Facepalm*...Unless....OH ! Oh yeah you're talking about iceberg salad no no I'm with you there people who order those cardboards salad aren't trustworthy ... You...You're talking about that aren't you?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Screw this a*****e! I could live on salads and soup! (I do love a good steak or chop but hey...)

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In 2004 a hungry 13 year old boy ate salads at a steakhouse so his vegetarian girlfriend wouldn't feel left out. 18 years later, he still treats me like a princess. He's my best friend and fiercest defender, and the most trustworthy person I've ever met.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If this guy has a PhD, then I am the queen of England! Lol.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And, this rule applies to ALL the billions of men out there? Just Wow!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Currently eating a salad at my bar. Why hasn't anyone said anything to me about this yet? It's a delicious salad, by the way

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aahahahahahahaha omg, I need to show my husband this! He absolutely LOVES salad- there's a place near us called Salata, and that's all they do; salad (and 3 kinds of soups, but mostly just salad). Any kind of salad you want, they can pretty much do. Plus, veggies are awesome! I mean, you ever had a garden salad with fresh, home made buttermilk ranch dressing? And if you haven't, you really need to! I'm not talking about the bottled stuff from Hidden Valley, I mean for real homemade. It's almost a cathartic experience

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You might want to eat some veggies so that your bowels aren't a cesspool of rot and decay.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then why have people altogether relied on fresh produce to maintain optimal health for thousands of years if eating fresh produce to help maintain optimal health doesn’t work?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

um, i'm beginning to doubt the realness of his ph.d. in nutrition...

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well for sure, hard working farmers couldn't trust a 'man-type' that doesn't eat salad.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've obviously had a vastly untrustworthy husband for a quarter of a century...

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aaaaand, then we wonder why women outlive men on average.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

TIL I am a gay untrustworthy scrub who does not have a wife.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Show me on the doll where the salad touched you

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So apparently eating salad is "gay" but continuing to tweet in such an ignorant way that you destroy your career is something to aspire to? 🙄

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My insanely high cholesterol would say otherwise. Sorry for being health conscience.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow! On my first date with my fiancee, she ordered a steak(MR), and I ordered a salad. It was a lunch date, so I didn't want anything too heavy. She finished her meal, and then ate my leftover salad! That's the moment I knew I was in love.

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Many men in Dr. Matthews’s practice have never gone to therapy before, and some wouldn't even be expected to be found in a psychologist’s office at first glance. But they are sure glad they did. "This idea of what it really means to be a man and the positive and negative ways in which they have lived this is a frequent topic of conversation."

"I would encourage anyone concerned with issues of identity, including ideas about masculinity, to start reflecting on it in some kind of organized way. Don’t just watch videos by your favorite IG or Tik Tok influencers, but start journaling, reading books, or going and seeing a therapist. It really can change your life," Dr. Matthews concluded.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Picturing this guy putting together flat-pack furniture without instructions ('cause those are for girls) and when his shelf turns into a table, he just throws it through the wall. Because bro

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BREAKING NEWS: WORK COLLEAGUES OFTEN ENGAGE AS FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER. MORE ON THIS AT 11.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Say you're insecure about your masculinity without saying you're insecure about your masculinity

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

James Butler is a septic tank guy on TikTok and YouTube who has a 'manly' job, but also decent general advice about being a boss of a company. It's not all dancing and "challenges" on TikTok.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone else think that the whole alpha, beta, sigma whatever is just dude bro astrology?

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