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Management Introduces Disciplinary Rules To Make Most Of Employees, Freaks Out When They Turn The Rules Against Them
A workplace disciplinary policy should provide the employees with clear guidelines and what consequences they can expect if the rules are broken.
On paper, it sounds like a good thing; it protects the company from wrongful allegations and ensures equal treatment of all employees. Win-win, right? Maybe somewhere. Just not where Redditor Alternative_Hunter34 works.
A few days ago, they made a post on the popular subreddit r/AntiWork, talking about how their organization deals with late and sick employees, and it’s clear that the situation is a lose-lose there.
A company’s ridiculous punishment policies are going viral
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After one of the employees publicly explained how everyone is exploiting them
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I've worked for so many managers who really genuinely seem to would prefer the entire business go under than have to give any employees the slightest bit of fair treatment. Well except for the employees who were their personal friends -- the worst, most callous managers always seemed to exhibit the most blatant favoritism.
This is it. That's the whole thing. One problem, though, is that too many employees really take advantage of employer kindness. We are super generous with time off, bonuses, perks, and benefits, and yet we still have to deal with dead weight more than I like. Getting rid of toxic oxygen-stealers quickly is the key. Yeah, you foster a strong team ethic and make everyone feel very valued (I have an open door policy for all employees--so at times i know more about what's going on in my employees' lives than some of their family members do), but the key to keeping a good work culture also MUST include getting rid of toxic people/lazy time-wasters. I used to find this difficult...especially bc they often have a million sad stories for why they suck. Now I have hardened a bit bc I have evolved to think about the impact that employee's work ethic has had on the other employees. Makes it much easier to show them the door post haste. Also, favoritism is the WORST.
Cough, cough... there are always some bad eggs in a team. Though I still simply shake my head how Americans try to push their (valuable) employees/workers to give at least their soul to the company's success. I'm so happy to live in Europe with intact work ethics, healthcare and unions... but I have to admit that the American model seems to get more and more fans who being high level decision-makers. Solely because they have no real life experience and were taught this shite in university...
See, that's the thing. As someone who makes all the decisions about everything at our firm, I can't afford to NOT put our employees first. Because they deserve that. I especially get angry when our partners or insurance agents say stuff like, "Well, because of your position, we should give you better/more insurance /bonuses/whatever. ......Why? Where is the impetus to improve anything we offer employees if the people in the white tower have it better and everyone else has to settle?? I can't justify having better perks/benefits/etc. than everyone . After all, isn't that why I earn higher pay? That's enough compensation-- and my people need to never doubt my commitment to them and their welfare. There's just something INDECENT to me about the favoritism that exists behind having one standard of treatment for worker bees and another for the hive queens. You don't get the best from people when they know their place of employment is strongly caste-based.
You are a leader, instead of a boss. You're doing it right.
So much this. We had an employee that would show up late 4 of the 5 days she worked. Excuse? She was tired and overslept. Lost a good employee over it and ya know, crap rolls downhill. She had to be covered till she showed, if she showed. She got canned. Finally. And the guy came back :).
Sadly, I believe you're correct. You'll notice I often defend free markets around here. The hope is that good management policies will prove more competitive than bad management policies. But 50 years of the federal reserve using monetary policy to crash the economy every time the unemployment rate falls too low have left too many workers too tolerant of bad management. This is not conspiracy stuff, here... this has been actual policy. You can read Chairman Jerome Powell expressing amazement that the Federal Reserve has for so long misunderstood the elasticity of the workforce. Unfortunately, coronavirus wrecked the economy just as federal reserve refused to.
I've never understood managers that are so "committed" to the company as if it was theirs, when they're just employees too. They should be on the same team as other employees, that's how they'll get their help if needed in an extraordinary situation, instead of treating them inhumanely and then expecting them to stay extra hours or do other things like that
Agree totally. Companies like to give high-level managers and directors the ruby slippers. The partners at my firm tried that with me (I'm DOO/COO), but I declined--bc it's necessary to demonstrate fairness. Also, I'm not accepting any special perks not also offered to my people, because if I don't experience the impact of whatever limitations are imposed on benefits, I won't know what needs fixing. I got my employees 100% of ALL insurance premiums paid this way, as well as twice as much paid vacation and sick time, three times the life & disability insurance benefits they had before, and more. It's the beauty of experiencing what EVERYONE ELSE experiences--my company previously only paid 30% of any insurance premium, and the plans all SUCKED. So I upgraded all plans in addition to paying ALL premiums bc I had to live with the same plans as my people. If you allow yourself to be treated "special", you lose touch with the experience of just being a regular employee.
Agreed. Take back to work directives in the face of increasing COVID cases. Supervisors who all have private offices with ventilation forcing their cubicle subordinates back to work.
Management forgot that people don't work for fun; you have to pay them to be there.
Try being a freelance graphic designer, clients actually think what you do for a living is fun and think you work for free. “Who the hell do you think you are charging me $$$$ for this XYZ project!”
I sued a guy who thought it was OK to use my logo design fir his business without paying me a dime. Won a $10,000 judgement on that one.
Too true, and damn sad.
This is actually where most business owners get it wrong. People actually do work for fun if you let them. Myself included. Why else would I spend time and effort improving my skills if I don't derive some kind of joy from it? This is the rub. It's not just keeping your staff paid, it's also letting them enjoy their work as much as you can. I try to do this but there will be rough patches because some clients are just miserable c***s. Some of the solutions my company have were initially concepts created by people messing around with stuff in the office.
OK... but in America most people don't work for fun because Americans don't have a government that provides even basic social safety nets. And the fun jobs are expensive to get into (colleges to get the skills to a professional level,resources to make things, need to get major connections, etc.) and often don't pay too well in the US since the country doesn't really value the arts all that much. In America, if you're working for fun then you are a part of the very privileged few. Most of us are just trying to maje enough money to pay for food, rent, car troubles... and hopefully save up enoigh money for when our health inevitably goes to s**t abd we have to pay thousands of dollars just to see a doctor
Thing is it's frighteningly complex to start your own business (by design) amd most are untimidateed by the process so they never try to be self employed.
I think WORK ETHIC is being grossly overlooked here. I started at the bottom of our firm and now run it--mainly because I have a really strong (aka German) work ethic and a tendency to be highly methodical and efficient. (And that type of personality really stands out--especially in law). But none of my work is FUN. I just take pride in what I do. Maybe it's from my military days ("Do it right or don't do it!"), but I see this lacking, in various degrees, in MOST employees these days. So I just had to come up with novel ways to reward people who DO have strong work ethics & produce good work. Because laziness and carelessness at work are often personality-borne behavioral traits, & not always a sign of a bad work environment. They would be that way regardless of where they worked. There's always going to be "most" and "least". So you generously reward a good work ethic and penalize a bad one. And if that doesn't work, you let the baddies go and find someone better.
Yeah Germans don't work harder... Worked with plenty of em. Maybe take your nationalism down a peg... Norway , Denmark... Make Germany look lazy and do a shorter work day... I say all this from Canada...
Exactly. It's called work, not super happy, fun time. If you appreciate people, they appreciate you back. Companies forget the golden rule: do unto others. You throw out bad apples, you don't let them rot the whole barrel.
Management weren't happy with being taken for fools, made som albeit daft changes, employees who clearly don't have any work ethic decided that instead of being on time they'd just be MORE late and MORE off work. Both as bad as each other, but the unions and employees will be crying when they don't have a job to go to at all
No they won't... Terrible name combo with statement lol. You really don't have much understanding of how an economy works do you? Probably think owners are "job creators" way to swallow that corp Kool aid... Demand creates jobs ie... Consumers do. People are so laughably ignorant and cocksure. No wonder idiots like trump get in. Smh at the world. Same with tyrant children getting voted in through fear tactics in the Phillipines it's going to be terrible to live there for another twenty years heh...
It's amazing how employers manage to instate insane policies to control their employees . Everyone with a bit of a functional brain could have predicted how this would go down. It just shows the distance in thinking between employers and employees. "I will withhold one hour of your wage if you're 5 minutes late!!!" "Ok, that just means that I won't start working for at least 75 minutes."
...bit of a functional brain... Ahum.
75 mins? Do you think there's 80 mins in an hour? Last time I checked it was just 60.
Woe betide the employee actually live up to their contract and turn up on time... Occasionally late is one thing and unavoidable, but I know there are people who will be consistently late and push the boundaries. You don't like the job or conditions? Quit and do something else.
Lemme guess you "know" welfare queens too despite the debunking. You and klaatu sure are a pair of story tellers that's for sure...
Yup. This. But there are ways to avoid this, as well. My people know they better be in their chairs ready to work at 0900, and for the most part, they do it. Why? Because I offer an hour-long lunch, and often let people leave early when they've met their daily responsibilities (and I make sure they get the help they need to do so). I also give extra time off for slaying goals/getting things done ahead. In a law firm, that's particularly appreciated. Most people would rather leave early than come in late. If someone comes in late, they always work until 1700 (unless there's a good excuse). And all exceptions have to go through me, so I get a feel for who is a chronic slacker. And those people get sacked. It's not fair to GOOD employees to see bad workers get away with stuff, so...they just don't.
I've worked for so many managers who really genuinely seem to would prefer the entire business go under than have to give any employees the slightest bit of fair treatment. Well except for the employees who were their personal friends -- the worst, most callous managers always seemed to exhibit the most blatant favoritism.
This is it. That's the whole thing. One problem, though, is that too many employees really take advantage of employer kindness. We are super generous with time off, bonuses, perks, and benefits, and yet we still have to deal with dead weight more than I like. Getting rid of toxic oxygen-stealers quickly is the key. Yeah, you foster a strong team ethic and make everyone feel very valued (I have an open door policy for all employees--so at times i know more about what's going on in my employees' lives than some of their family members do), but the key to keeping a good work culture also MUST include getting rid of toxic people/lazy time-wasters. I used to find this difficult...especially bc they often have a million sad stories for why they suck. Now I have hardened a bit bc I have evolved to think about the impact that employee's work ethic has had on the other employees. Makes it much easier to show them the door post haste. Also, favoritism is the WORST.
Cough, cough... there are always some bad eggs in a team. Though I still simply shake my head how Americans try to push their (valuable) employees/workers to give at least their soul to the company's success. I'm so happy to live in Europe with intact work ethics, healthcare and unions... but I have to admit that the American model seems to get more and more fans who being high level decision-makers. Solely because they have no real life experience and were taught this shite in university...
See, that's the thing. As someone who makes all the decisions about everything at our firm, I can't afford to NOT put our employees first. Because they deserve that. I especially get angry when our partners or insurance agents say stuff like, "Well, because of your position, we should give you better/more insurance /bonuses/whatever. ......Why? Where is the impetus to improve anything we offer employees if the people in the white tower have it better and everyone else has to settle?? I can't justify having better perks/benefits/etc. than everyone . After all, isn't that why I earn higher pay? That's enough compensation-- and my people need to never doubt my commitment to them and their welfare. There's just something INDECENT to me about the favoritism that exists behind having one standard of treatment for worker bees and another for the hive queens. You don't get the best from people when they know their place of employment is strongly caste-based.
You are a leader, instead of a boss. You're doing it right.
So much this. We had an employee that would show up late 4 of the 5 days she worked. Excuse? She was tired and overslept. Lost a good employee over it and ya know, crap rolls downhill. She had to be covered till she showed, if she showed. She got canned. Finally. And the guy came back :).
Sadly, I believe you're correct. You'll notice I often defend free markets around here. The hope is that good management policies will prove more competitive than bad management policies. But 50 years of the federal reserve using monetary policy to crash the economy every time the unemployment rate falls too low have left too many workers too tolerant of bad management. This is not conspiracy stuff, here... this has been actual policy. You can read Chairman Jerome Powell expressing amazement that the Federal Reserve has for so long misunderstood the elasticity of the workforce. Unfortunately, coronavirus wrecked the economy just as federal reserve refused to.
I've never understood managers that are so "committed" to the company as if it was theirs, when they're just employees too. They should be on the same team as other employees, that's how they'll get their help if needed in an extraordinary situation, instead of treating them inhumanely and then expecting them to stay extra hours or do other things like that
Agree totally. Companies like to give high-level managers and directors the ruby slippers. The partners at my firm tried that with me (I'm DOO/COO), but I declined--bc it's necessary to demonstrate fairness. Also, I'm not accepting any special perks not also offered to my people, because if I don't experience the impact of whatever limitations are imposed on benefits, I won't know what needs fixing. I got my employees 100% of ALL insurance premiums paid this way, as well as twice as much paid vacation and sick time, three times the life & disability insurance benefits they had before, and more. It's the beauty of experiencing what EVERYONE ELSE experiences--my company previously only paid 30% of any insurance premium, and the plans all SUCKED. So I upgraded all plans in addition to paying ALL premiums bc I had to live with the same plans as my people. If you allow yourself to be treated "special", you lose touch with the experience of just being a regular employee.
Agreed. Take back to work directives in the face of increasing COVID cases. Supervisors who all have private offices with ventilation forcing their cubicle subordinates back to work.
Management forgot that people don't work for fun; you have to pay them to be there.
Try being a freelance graphic designer, clients actually think what you do for a living is fun and think you work for free. “Who the hell do you think you are charging me $$$$ for this XYZ project!”
I sued a guy who thought it was OK to use my logo design fir his business without paying me a dime. Won a $10,000 judgement on that one.
Too true, and damn sad.
This is actually where most business owners get it wrong. People actually do work for fun if you let them. Myself included. Why else would I spend time and effort improving my skills if I don't derive some kind of joy from it? This is the rub. It's not just keeping your staff paid, it's also letting them enjoy their work as much as you can. I try to do this but there will be rough patches because some clients are just miserable c***s. Some of the solutions my company have were initially concepts created by people messing around with stuff in the office.
OK... but in America most people don't work for fun because Americans don't have a government that provides even basic social safety nets. And the fun jobs are expensive to get into (colleges to get the skills to a professional level,resources to make things, need to get major connections, etc.) and often don't pay too well in the US since the country doesn't really value the arts all that much. In America, if you're working for fun then you are a part of the very privileged few. Most of us are just trying to maje enough money to pay for food, rent, car troubles... and hopefully save up enoigh money for when our health inevitably goes to s**t abd we have to pay thousands of dollars just to see a doctor
Thing is it's frighteningly complex to start your own business (by design) amd most are untimidateed by the process so they never try to be self employed.
I think WORK ETHIC is being grossly overlooked here. I started at the bottom of our firm and now run it--mainly because I have a really strong (aka German) work ethic and a tendency to be highly methodical and efficient. (And that type of personality really stands out--especially in law). But none of my work is FUN. I just take pride in what I do. Maybe it's from my military days ("Do it right or don't do it!"), but I see this lacking, in various degrees, in MOST employees these days. So I just had to come up with novel ways to reward people who DO have strong work ethics & produce good work. Because laziness and carelessness at work are often personality-borne behavioral traits, & not always a sign of a bad work environment. They would be that way regardless of where they worked. There's always going to be "most" and "least". So you generously reward a good work ethic and penalize a bad one. And if that doesn't work, you let the baddies go and find someone better.
Yeah Germans don't work harder... Worked with plenty of em. Maybe take your nationalism down a peg... Norway , Denmark... Make Germany look lazy and do a shorter work day... I say all this from Canada...
Exactly. It's called work, not super happy, fun time. If you appreciate people, they appreciate you back. Companies forget the golden rule: do unto others. You throw out bad apples, you don't let them rot the whole barrel.
Management weren't happy with being taken for fools, made som albeit daft changes, employees who clearly don't have any work ethic decided that instead of being on time they'd just be MORE late and MORE off work. Both as bad as each other, but the unions and employees will be crying when they don't have a job to go to at all
No they won't... Terrible name combo with statement lol. You really don't have much understanding of how an economy works do you? Probably think owners are "job creators" way to swallow that corp Kool aid... Demand creates jobs ie... Consumers do. People are so laughably ignorant and cocksure. No wonder idiots like trump get in. Smh at the world. Same with tyrant children getting voted in through fear tactics in the Phillipines it's going to be terrible to live there for another twenty years heh...
It's amazing how employers manage to instate insane policies to control their employees . Everyone with a bit of a functional brain could have predicted how this would go down. It just shows the distance in thinking between employers and employees. "I will withhold one hour of your wage if you're 5 minutes late!!!" "Ok, that just means that I won't start working for at least 75 minutes."
...bit of a functional brain... Ahum.
75 mins? Do you think there's 80 mins in an hour? Last time I checked it was just 60.
Woe betide the employee actually live up to their contract and turn up on time... Occasionally late is one thing and unavoidable, but I know there are people who will be consistently late and push the boundaries. You don't like the job or conditions? Quit and do something else.
Lemme guess you "know" welfare queens too despite the debunking. You and klaatu sure are a pair of story tellers that's for sure...
Yup. This. But there are ways to avoid this, as well. My people know they better be in their chairs ready to work at 0900, and for the most part, they do it. Why? Because I offer an hour-long lunch, and often let people leave early when they've met their daily responsibilities (and I make sure they get the help they need to do so). I also give extra time off for slaying goals/getting things done ahead. In a law firm, that's particularly appreciated. Most people would rather leave early than come in late. If someone comes in late, they always work until 1700 (unless there's a good excuse). And all exceptions have to go through me, so I get a feel for who is a chronic slacker. And those people get sacked. It's not fair to GOOD employees to see bad workers get away with stuff, so...they just don't.