Management Introduces Disciplinary Rules To Make Most Of Employees, Freaks Out When They Turn The Rules Against Them
A workplace disciplinary policy should provide the employees with clear guidelines and what consequences they can expect if the rules are broken.
On paper, it sounds like a good thing; it protects the company from wrongful allegations and ensures equal treatment of all employees. Win-win, right? Maybe somewhere. Just not where Redditor Alternative_Hunter34 works.
A few days ago, they made a post on the popular subreddit r/AntiWork, talking about how their organization deals with late and sick employees, and it’s clear that the situation is a lose-lose there.
A company’s ridiculous punishment policies are going viral
Image credits: CuriousMarc (not the actual photo)
After one of the employees publicly explained how everyone is exploiting them
Image credits: Alternative_Hunter34
We managed to get in touch with Alternative_Hunter34 and the Redditor was kind enough to tell us more about their work.
“At the time of leaving my previous job, nearly ten years ago, [this] company was doing well and growing steadily,” Alternative_Hunter34 explained to Bored Panda the reason they came here.
“They had ample job opportunities, and I walked in with ease. Essentially, I was drawn in by inertia. The path of least resistance.”
All in all, the employee is quite happy with their position. “The job would be fine if not for the management situation. As I did post in a reply to one poster, the job is well paid. Above minimum wage by a significant degree, and we have been steadily well paid since I joined.”
At this point, Alternative_Hunter34 doesn’t plan to go anywhere else. “As my company well knows, they offer the best paid, entry-level, no skills jobs in a wide radius,” they said. “We all moan, we all rant and rave, but most of us will be in the next day, week, and month regardless, and without breaking step, we will fight to keep the jobs we complain about should we come under redundancy or disciplinary.”
It’s a predicament the Redditor calls the money trap.
“Having collected and acclimated to our wages for some time now, it would require significant changes and personal sacrifices that the majority of us, myself included, are simply unwilling to make in order to break away and accept a lower wage,” they explained. “Our employers are as aware of this as we are, and therefore, we all know that until the conditions are absolutely intolerable, the majority of the workforce will remain firmly in place.”
Sue Bingham, the author of Creating the High Performance Work Place: It’s Not Complicated to Develop a Culture of Commitment, agrees that too often companies’ HR policies are overly restrictive.
“Such policies are often convoluted and overly paternal, and attempt to control the behavior of regular people through rules designed to rein in the ‘bad apples,'” Bingham, who has consulted with hundreds of company leaders on how to create high-performance workplaces over the past three decades, wrote in the Harvard Business Review.
“Although a small percentage of employees may try to take advantage of more flexible or generous policies, designing your HR policies with such people in mind isn’t the answer. It won’t help boost the performance of the majority of employees – employees who have the organization’s best interests at heart. It will only make them feel distrusted,” she said, which sounds exactly like what happened in our story — people who are intelligent adults were treated like children you can’t take your eyes off for one second. No wonder they retaliated after receiving such a message from their employer.
“Communicate one standard of conduct that states, ‘Everyone is expected to act in the best interest of the organization and his/her fellow employees’ as a replacement for a long list of conduct rules,” Bingham said.
A global poll conducted by Gallup has uncovered that out of the world’s one billion full-time workers, only 15% of people are engaged at work. That means that a whopping 85% of people are unhappy in their jobs.
But employees everywhere don’t necessarily hate the company they work for as much as they do their boss. Yes, they join a company, but they often quit their manager. Sometimes it’s due to that exact person, others because they have not been prepared to lead the workforce.
People think these practices are at the very least appalling but could also be illegal
I've worked for so many managers who really genuinely seem to would prefer the entire business go under than have to give any employees the slightest bit of fair treatment. Well except for the employees who were their personal friends -- the worst, most callous managers always seemed to exhibit the most blatant favoritism.
This is it. That's the whole thing. One problem, though, is that too many employees really take advantage of employer kindness. We are super generous with time off, bonuses, perks, and benefits, and yet we still have to deal with dead weight more than I like. Getting rid of toxic oxygen-stealers quickly is the key. Yeah, you foster a strong team ethic and make everyone feel very valued (I have an open door policy for all employees--so at times i know more about what's going on in my employees' lives than some of their family members do), but the key to keeping a good work culture also MUST include getting rid of toxic people/lazy time-wasters. I used to find this difficult...especially bc they often have a million sad stories for why they suck. Now I have hardened a bit bc I have evolved to think about the impact that employee's work ethic has had on the other employees. Makes it much easier to show them the door post haste. Also, favoritism is the WORST.
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Management forgot that people don't work for fun; you have to pay them to be there.
Try being a freelance graphic designer, clients actually think what you do for a living is fun and think you work for free. “Who the hell do you think you are charging me $$$$ for this XYZ project!”
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It's amazing how employers manage to instate insane policies to control their employees . Everyone with a bit of a functional brain could have predicted how this would go down. It just shows the distance in thinking between employers and employees. "I will withhold one hour of your wage if you're 5 minutes late!!!" "Ok, that just means that I won't start working for at least 75 minutes."
Financial punishments will increase until morale improves. That is the 100% winningest management approach.
That is great sarcasm. Even recognized by Captain Oblivious.
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I used to work for a cleaning company, officially the pay (this was quite a few years ago) was 10 dollars an hour but if you didn't miss any days in the two week pay period you actually made 13 dollars an hour. They got around the legal stuff by showing the extra $$ as a bonus.
Exactly. Rewards are much better incentives than punishments.
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I'm not sure what my work's late policy is. If you are really late without ringing ahead then yes, you will have to explain yourself. I thing the general rule is that you make up the time at the end of the day. If you are 30 mins late then you stay an extra 30 mins. If you ring ahead and say you are going to be late because the trains are delayed then it's case of get here when you can and make up the time over the next few days
That is a policy that makes sense. They still get the same number of hours out of you, and who would really mind staying an extra 30 minutes—-or 6 minutes per day for 5 days—-to make up the time?
Load More Replies... In what kind of a fücked üp distopian nightmare of a shidhole country is this even in sight of something in sight of something close to kind of maybe legal? I'm lucky to have flexible work hours ... I come when I come, usually we're expected between 6 and 8, and leave some time between 15 and 18, fridays a lot earlier, due overtiming Mo-Thu. If one minute being late is worth 15 minutes no pay ... is it then, than one minute overtime equals 15 minutes pay, don't it? At least, there would be, if not fairness, but symmetry in this. Then again ... I guess this is in the US ... this is so wrong. Making up those rules invites to exploit them - rightfully so!
I remember this post on Reddit and I believe this employer was in the U.K.
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I just have a comment, I’m never late, to anything, it’s kind of a bad habit of mine but I want to tell you all what I just experienced working for a high profile company, in shipping, I was hired at a decent wage, so I jumped on the opportunity then 4 months later we’re finding out that everyone got a $3 cut in pay/per hour without any formal notice or email nothing.. so here we are, loading 5 trucks for each per day in 5 hours for $3 less an hour! They cut the money and the hours, couldn’t pay the rent I walked out and still can’t pay the rent! Point is, no matter where you work, management is ALWAYS ALWAYS SCANDALOUS! It’s their own pockets they care to fill, not ours! Just saying… I got caught up in the conversation. ✌️
Yep. I got fired because I got covid and they refused to let me take off the 14 days for quarantine. They made me come back the same day. I ended up fainting at work, they fired me and where i live there are absolutely no jobs. My car just got repoed and im on dialysis, i have to drive to the nearest clinic which is 40 miles away and theres no public transportation here. Im literally dying from not being able to make any of my dialysis appts and have no clue what im going to do. Ppl keep telling me to sue but that takes money and time, 2 things i dont have.
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As an Aussie with decent worker legislation, this whole story is appalling.
This is a company that wants to wield power rather than make smart business decisions. They are costing themselves money in lessened productivity, hiring, and time wasted in these worthless meetings. It's completely nonsensical at this point. Just from a logical standpoint it doesn't make sense. You know, since they obviously don't care about the being humane part.
People are getting tired of "capitalism is king" and the crap these companies pull to exploit them. Things need to change, permanently.
I worked for a company that would wright you up for being a minute late even with a valid reason. At the same time you were not disciplined for calling in sick. So if you were going to be even a minute late it was easier to just turn around and call in sick.
Sounds like those wright ups didn't build good will. (The right "wright" is "write" but it's your right to write wright right if you might.)
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About 25 years ago one of my former fellow corporate America peers named Dave came into the office 5 minutes late. (We were all on salary and were expected to work 50+ hours a week with no compensation.) The head office nit picking honcho quickly emailed Dave and asked him how he expected to make up the lost 5 mintes. Dave, bless his heart, just as quickly responded and assured the nitpicker that he intended arriving for work one minute early over the next 5 days. SLOL
Maybe he could have reminded the asshät in charge that HE wasted an ADDITIONAL 5 minutes just making Dave have to read and respond to a stupid email. 😏
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Look up the reasoning behind "being hung for a sheep." In the days of famine, the penalty for stealing a sheep was the same as for a lamb. Therefore, might as well steal an entire sheep.
Reminds me of when I worked somewhere that I had to go through 3 of the top 10 wort traffic corridors in the state. I could leave at the same time and be anywhere from 30min. early to 30min. late. They had a 3 strikes you're out policy for tardiness. Just told me leave earlier. I'm not sitting here for an hour 3 days a week early because two days traffic was bad.
I worked on power lines and we had to get stuff loaded up like poles and material. Crews of three or four. And it took each man to quickly get his truck ready, and load poles after the safety meeting. The safety meeting was held at 7 am on the dot. If you were late coming up to it, you would be spotted and called out by the GF or Supervisor. If you were 30 minutes late it would put the rest of the crew in a serious bind loading materials and it takes two people to load poles. I was in a similar situation. I would sometimes get to work 45 min early, but downtown Tampa there were always accidents and on the interstate and it was a toss up, but I was there on time everyday. At least I could go home. Spent a lot of weeks going home on the weekends and driving to a hotel 7 hours on sun for the work week. If I got to work early, I just enjoyed the quiet time and got ready for the day ahead. People's lives depended on us, lots of whiners on here.
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I worked for a complete @sshat who REFUSED overtime. Illegally refused overtime mind you. Fine. We found a lot of creative ways to get around that and get our money. You can't cheat people. They will find a way to make you pay....
Wait...did you have to WORK overtime without pay? Or just wouldn't allow you to work overtime? But yeah, that's why many companies have people on salary. We put employees on salary, as well, but I still give bonuses and/or time off for any overtime they have to do. It's completely inappropriate to ask people to work longer for no extra pay. (I say this being someone who works 80+ hours a week lol. The owners of our firm tried to squeak through with that until I demanded double my salary plus an extra $3 in performance bonuses each month. They eventually figured out that if you pull that s**t with the ONE person who keeps EVERYTHING going and is the only one who can do the things that are vital to keeping your business from going under, you better be prepared to lose EVERYTHING if they get fed up with being treated poorly. 😆)
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I've stayed at lower paying jobs just because I liked the mgmt or owner. The positive work environment,plus basic benefits outweighs higher pay, leveling up for me.
At one of my old jobs the "business hours" were Mon-Sat 6am to 6pm (we gave technical and engineering support to a military organization). The standard for an individual was 40 hours per week. How you got that 40 hrs was between you and your immediate supervisor as long as all times were covered and support didn't suffer.
That unpaid 1st hour is hilarious. They legally can't require you to do any actual work during that hour, so could come in and just hang out in the break room.
The best slaves don't know there slaves that's why most people are unhappy at work you do all the work and the people on get all the profits and you should feel lucky that you make enough to service
Because they aren't Emotionally Intelligent. That's the problem with placing higher value on either education or time with the company than on proven ability to lead well.
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Something like this in one of my high school classes. My first class started at 7am. If I was late more than 7 minutes then it would count as one strike. 3 strikes and I get a lunch detention. But the teacher never took attendance, so if anyone was going to be late we just wouldn't come at all. No punishment for not coming at all.
This is a big problem for many businesses. My firm once had the same issues with employees, but as DOO I took a different approach. I expect my people to be in their chairs ready to work at 0900. I give them an hour for lunch, & if they have made real progress or just had a really busy day, I like to let them go home early or will give them a day off if they really hustled, etc. I also have a 2 wk paid vacation policy, 2 wks paid sick each year, & have no problem with giving days off at will for whatever else that comes up--so long as people don't abuse it. Also give out performance bonuses & raises often bc law work can be intense and can burn you out, so it keeps people motivated and feeling appreciated. (Also pay 100% of medical premiums, offer a large life insurance policy & many other great benefits.) I do these things because I figure: without my employees, we're nothing. Employees are everything. But I get rid of dead wood ASAP bc they are real work culture killers.
Ok I've heard enough from you and all your comments about how great you are
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75% of good employees leave good jobs because of a bad manager and most companies just allow it to continue instead of replacing the manager.
I worked for the Government. The initial hiring period was usually about a 6 month period of "hazing" where they would work you like a dog 6 days a week ( 7 @12 hour days a week for 4 weeks in December ) 8 to 10 hours a day with only one day per week off and start times that were all over the clock.After about 6 months they would give you a steady schedule with 2 guaranteed days off. Well... There was a hiring freeze in the late 1980's and my group of 40 new hires worked that type of "hazing" schedule for 4 and a half years ! Anyway, we all got pretty good at calling in sick. I called in sick so much that they told me I was going to get a week off without pay. I said: so... I'm taking too much time off so you're going to give me MORE time off ?! The union came up to me and said management has agreed to only give you 2 days off without pay BUT it will still show up in your personnel file as a one week suspension. I told the union F that ! Give me the whole week off !
Who cares about a few minutes late? Well, let me explain. I have five guys who came in early and signed in at exactly 8 o’clock. Now they are standing around the truck waiting for the 6th guy who called and said he was stuck in traffic. I am paying 5 guys $20 an hour to stand and wait for one guy who can’t be bothered to figure out that if he leaves 10 minutes earlier he would avoid all that traffic. He got fired after it happened over and over.
I worked at Russel Stover's outlet store in KS. Worst job to date. All employees, regardless of status or time having been there were only allowed 10 call off days for the YEAR. Meaning if you were sick, or had an emergency you only had 10 times before being fired. And YES, it meant really being sick, or hospitalized. I had an eye infection and had to take 3 days off per my doctor and it didn't matter that I had a note. Furthermore I fell and sprained my wrist, but I still showed up for work with a brace on and they told me that I'm not allowed to work. By time day 10 came I just didn't bother even calling. This was over a decade ago and I really hope the policies have changed.
I used to have a terrible job at a small business... but one thing the owners of the business did that I appreciated was their 15 min time sheet rule. They didn't want to calculate pay for paychecks for anything other than an hour, half hour, or quarter hour to make it easier. So they would tell us if we left at, say, 4:22, to go ahead and round up to 4:30. We got some leniency for slight lateness too because of it, as long as it wasn't a regular thing and we had a good excuse (traffic, etc.). I had to drive a highway there that was notorious for having wrecks, and I would usually just take a pic of the wreck as I got close just to be safe and I'd call from the road.
At a previous employer, they have "occurrences" for unscheduled absences, like a sick day. It was like a debit, you got a certain number of occurrences in a stated time period, you got a warning, and further disciplinary actions. At one point, they changed their lateness policy to also be occurrence. Yes, the exact same penalty as the unscheduled abscence. So if you were running late, because life happens, you might as well take the whole day off.
My brother worked for spectrum and that was there way of doing things. Everything was an occurrence. Like if his kid's daycare called and there was an emergency and the kid needed to go to the doctor it was an occurrence. An occurrence was suppose to be a nice way of keeping track of things because it's not a write up, but having just one in a certain amount of time could disqualify you from promotion. Having several meant you were let go and it was all systematic the why wasn't part of the equation. Neither was the quality of work you did before you racked up occurrences. It was automatic.
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Well its about time! The cooporate mentality of refusing to understand that s**t happens sometimes, coupled with their draconian methods of employee treatment, needs to be a thing of the past.
I worked for a company that would repeatedly give us early release on fridays. We were all hourly so it came down to stay if you want pay but you can leave at lunch or a few hours early depending on the day. We got new hr and the policies started to change. Suddenly we could only leave early if we worked a certain number of hours that week. If we missed work we had to make up the time we missed by coming I’m early or staying late or they would cancel our health insurance. Our late policy used to be a 7 minute window that you could clock in and not be considered late. They began writing people up for a minute late even though there was one machine for the 50 of us who had to punch in. The clincher came when I had put in a time off for a doctors appointment and they refused to approve it saying I would be terminated if I showed up late. I quit and never looked back. Best decision I made was to leave that place. They also still required employees to come in to work during the pandemic.
for the place I work, as long as you call if you're running late over 10 minutes, you're good. Of course, you do lose your on-time streak for the program we use to clock in, which I'm obsessed with.
Worked for a great private practice...until they hired a new HR manager. She previously worked with technology in small, retail stores. Healthcare is the same, right?!? We were getting pinged for clocking in early, late, not taking a full lunch hr, and let go if too many absenses occurred (Working in healthcare.) I had to use my PTO for myself & my kids, including one on the autism spectrum. I was let go after 7yrs...along w/ over 30 others that same year.
This happened to me back when I public transit to get to work. Late one minute? no problem. I would still go to my work station and wait till I was paid. Boss: "Why aren't you working? your machines are stopped!" Me: I punched one tiny minute late." Boss: "So?" Me: "Well, Since I'm not getting paid till 7:15..." Since all of us started to do this, Boss put a new rule: Paid by the minute when you're late. We WON! Edit: It's worth mentionning that the clock of the punch was running fast, probably on purpose...
My job at the cable was a nightmare and I was told even if I made it to the door then got hit by a car, I was at fault. We were terrified about every minute. Even our talk time to customers was supposed to be under 4 minutes. A trainee collapsed, we looked at each other and said, that's a ding. Then he was declared dead later and we actually said well no ding. (Congenital defect) Several of us went out for mental health.
So dumb. Yet companies - and governments still do this. Germany introduced a fee for doctors visit: 10€ per doctor for every quarter you went. The idea was to disencourage people to run to the docotr for every trifle. Instead what happend was that when someone paid the 10 per quarter, they went more often 'to make full use if it'. Took years to get the stupid 10€ off the table, again.
One of my father's favorite work stories was about how his first company handled lateness. You were punished for lateness, but there was an unlimited number of paid personal half-days that you could take off. So if you were headed to work and felt you'd be five minutes late, you'd turn around, go home, enjoy your morning off, then head to work after lunch.
I think most of us dislike heavy handed bosses. In my opinion, when we agree to accept a job, we agree to follow their rules in exchange for money and benefits. I think it's disrespectful to push against the rules we signed up for. If the rules are unfair or unreasonable, I have to right to take my skills elsewhere. I've had to swallow my pride many, many times in my 30+ years as an hourly worker at this same employer but it's a choice I make for myself and my family. Otherwise, I'm always starting over and usually at the bottom rung.
I call b******t. There's no way anywhere in the modern world that can NOT pay you if you're there working, ie: clocking in at 7:05, and being docked the next 55 minutes of pay until 8. Against all labor laws everywhere. People need to stop. Believing the s**t people write in reddit.
Just because it's illegal that doesn't mean it can't happen.
Load More Replies... I grew up in the era of corporal punishment was the norm, and I experienced my fair share of beatings. With that said, before many of my regressions I would justify them by saying to myself, “Well, if I’m going to get a beating, might as well make it worthwhile.” This article reminds me of those barbaric days.
Working in healthcare is totally different. People who are consistently late show disregard for their fellow coworkers. When your position/post can’t be left until your relief arrives and they are ALWAYS late strict policies are definitely needed
I work on power lines and it's the same way. If I was working in a location where traffic was awful, I would get there 45 mins early. Have my quiet time before the day, drink my coffee, sharpen my knife, or whatever in my truck to make sure if there was a backup I would still be on time. How can you trust someone with your life if they can't show up on time putting the whole crew in a bind.
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I worked(HARD)for 49 yrsand being consistently late was cause for firing.If YOU choose to show up late does the OTHER HUMAN BEING you're replacing get overtime????
Yep. But this is an even bigger issue with people who DON'T WORK. I used to have an employee who showed up at work 1/2 hour early everyday and then just sat on her ass all day. She always had an excuse when it took her 4 hours to do something that took anyone else 1/2 hour. So I soon fired her. Because keeping someone like that around just breeds resentment in the rest of the team. EVERYONE pulls their weight...or they go.
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Who is the smartass that can't see?????? Stupid stupid stupid. Keep on the civilian protest!
Are you referring to MY comment?.get over yourself.
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I don't manage peoples time. I manage their work product. WE set reasonable expectations. If the meet them, great. If they exceed them, great, higher yearly raise, I'll put in extra work to help them acheive their next goal (even it's with another team), fall short, we'll work togther to see how to change it, continually slack and try to take advantage of me : There's the door. Now, I get time tracking matter for hourly work, but even then....you're not managing people, your managing relationships
At my work all that counts is that my work is done at the end of the day. If I can do it in 4 hours, then lucky me, half a day free with pay! But I'm expected to stay longer if I can't do it and talk to a manager if the workload is constantly too high or too low. So far, at the end of the year, everything evened out at 40 hours a week, give or take a few minutes. And I get 40 hours paid no matter what. Good deal for everyone involved
I worked for an office that had a weird policy about requesting time off. If I had a doc appt at 8, and said, "I'll try to be at work by 9," they'd say, "Don't bother, we do time off in four-hour blocks, so you might as well not come in until after lunch. Same thing if I had an afternoon appt. "Might as well leave at noon or 1, since we only do four-hour blocks." Eff that, I just took the whole day. If they're gonna be that petty about making me miss half a day's pay for a single doc appt, I can be petty right back and say, "Fine, I'll just stay home, see you tomorrow/Monday."
What works for my small business is really simple, 2 rules: 1. Treat everyone with respect, rudeness and mean behavior are not tolerated in anyway. 2. Your work is done well and by the deadline. How the employee accomplishes 2 is irrelevant to me. They can be in flip flips on the beach or work whatever hours makes their life work; I don't care, as long as they keep producing good work. You know what, my team always delivers and I never have to worry about it getting done. They'll put in whatever effort it takes, because they have control of their own lives. People overall really do want to do their best and legitimately feel part of a team, not a dictatorship disguised as a team.
Administration at my job have a no call, no show policy that after two, you're fired. Someone I work with had a bad reaction to a new medication the day before her shift and nobody knew what happened to her. They almost called the police to do a well check so we'd know she wasn't dead. Department manager freaked out and wanted to fire her, but the supervisors went to bat for her. Draconian policies only invite fear and frustration into a workplace, and having your job be in jeopardy for not coming in to work because you're literally unconscious for two days feels almost exploitative. Especially when she hadn't had any absences or tardiness for a year or so.
Where I worked from 1972 to 2018 we used to punch in on a time clock. If you were late they progressively disciplined you for being late, but they did not snitch more than 7 minutes off your work. Say you were scheduled to come in at 8 am, but you punched in at 8:07 am (or less) the time clock listed your pay as starting at 8 am. If you punched in between 8:08 am thru 8:22 am the time clock had your pay starting at 8:15 am.
Note to mention people who will come in on time, then waste the first hour and do minimal work.
This is why I adopted a performance-based program for my employees. If you get something difficult done (and correct) by 1300 or 1400, I let you leave early. My thinking is, my firm benefits because there's a huge motivation to drill down and do your best work, and they benefit bc, after working hard all morning, by the time they are done they are often mentally exhausted and wouldn't be very productive, anyhow. Plus, they would just end up distracting other employees. Win win.
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A former employer started the strict time clock B.S., then got salty because no one would start any job, operation or project that would have them there past punch out time. Before the tardiness policy people would just stay an extra few minutes or 10-20 minutes here and there figuring that it all (coming in late, leaving later) evened out in the end. It cost them a lot of productivity just so that the clock was punched properly.
Company's. Singular possessive. C'mon, man! No wonder management feels it can bully you in the workplace. Change this stories cover image if you want intelligent readers to buy in (See what I did there? ;)
So bad grammar is a valid excuse to exploit people?
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The company has a big problem with employees, but they are handling it wrong. If I had an employee who was regularly late and/or who took unreasonable amounts of leave without cause, they would get a verbal warning, then a written warning, then a disciplinary meeting and then I would fire their ass. Obviously this is only fair if the working conditions and policies are reasonable. I get the impression from this post that a lot of people think it's okay to take off work whenever and show up to work whenever. I've run a lot of businesses and fortunately, have never had to fire anyone for these reasons. So what am I missing here? Do people really think it's okay to be late to work all the time?
No, people think that most employees who are treated with respect and understanding will earn that respect and understanding but people who are treated like nothing more than labor to be exploited or near criminals will not be trying to help their employer be successful. Nobody is saying employers should put up with workers being late all the time or with people who aren't doing good work, just that the policy should have a human element to it.
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Imagine copying a Reddit post, and calling it a news article. Good job being lazy, how about reporting on actual news.
Just to bring out the whining in comments like TikTok. Some people have jobs like mine where your small crews function and their lives depend on each other. If you are late or a no show at the last minute, you are holding up 3 or 4 people and putting the foreman in an awkward spot. We would do Powerline reconduct jobs and there was always a push at the end to get done. People get tired of the construction after 6-10 months along the road or in their backyards. How could you trust your life with someone if they can't show up on time? If you kept being late, they would send you to another location, which will be a place no one wants to go, and might be 12 or more hours away.
Load More Replies... It's another Reddit post that I don't think it's real because it doesn't make any sense. I don't know about other countries but in the US you cannot dock an hour pay when someone is working. You have to pay employees when they work. Time cards create records of what they time is and paying is not optional. In fact employers can be made to pay a penality to employees for withholding pay. Also, I just cannot imagine a workplace that shrugs of people not showing up for the first hour of their job or staying out for two weeks with pay. My husband has an awesome job with vacation, sick days, and pto. Even with all these perks he only get ten sick days a year before they tap into the rest of his available days unless he is REALLY sick (like with a surgery or hospital stay.) My jobs have never been as generous and I have had no more than 5 days and 2 requires a doctor's note. I've been working since I was 14, I've never heard of a job that kicks in sick pay on the third day, have you?
When I worked at ups, they would just back up your start time even if you're on time , just to hit their numbers. And they came and explained the late policy to everyone, that after the 21st late they will take action, so a PoC couldn't claim they were singled out
So tired of hearing people who think they are allowed to abuse their work/home situations AND constantly posting on socials about how bad their company treats them(when in fact many employees are horrible sniveling people with sense of entitlement) Grow up, do your job and do it well. If you don't want "that" job, look for another one. Just don't quit or slack off in your current job until you find another. When did society think that their personal issues became news worthy for others on such basic every day things? We aren't talking about sweat shops or child labour here folks. SO MANY people are dying(some literally) to have ANY job. Anything. Companies need to fire people abusing their system and replace them with staff that actually respect and NEED the job. Generally, people with families to support, often work harder without moaning then Millenials that seem to think they deserve to have viral backup.
Okay boomer. Sorry, is that mean? Millennials are mostly over 30 now, so if we aren't somewhat into our life plan, and serious about earning money it's not because we just got out of school and don't really understand the labor market. Also we ALL got a good beating by the labor market and national politics a bit more than a decade ago, and then to some degree a few times since, so we've mostly had experiences where our labor was clearly undervalued, or where we saw colleges taken advantage of because we were "lucky to be employed at all". After a quarter of a century of being the punching bag for everything that went wrong despite responsibility almost always actually being in the hands of older people, we're pretty tired of all the bullsh!t so please grow up and take some responsibility for yourself and the world you built and stop complaining about people tired of begging to be wage slaves. Also BP isn't news, so if that's what you expect, maybe the problem is in the mirror.
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How can people "exploit" a $50 incentive for being on time all week (comments under the main post)? By... being on time all week? I don't get that comment at ALL.
I would imagine it's something like showing up, clocking in, then going to the washroom, fixing their hair, putting their lunch in the fridge, chatting on the phone for a bit, and THEN starting work. I used to be an assistant manager and had employees who did that, and they just didn't understand why they weren't supposed to. Their mindset was that they get paid when they walk in the door, mine (and the company's) was that they get paid when they start working
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Well if people weren't so entitled and lazy these days it really wouldn't be a problem
Let me guess, you're a manager who thinks most people (except for yourself of course) are lazy and given half the chance would rather get paid to do nothing all day, so you think your only option is to be a hard-ass? If the only tool you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.
Load More Replies... I've worked for so many managers who really genuinely seem to would prefer the entire business go under than have to give any employees the slightest bit of fair treatment. Well except for the employees who were their personal friends -- the worst, most callous managers always seemed to exhibit the most blatant favoritism.
This is it. That's the whole thing. One problem, though, is that too many employees really take advantage of employer kindness. We are super generous with time off, bonuses, perks, and benefits, and yet we still have to deal with dead weight more than I like. Getting rid of toxic oxygen-stealers quickly is the key. Yeah, you foster a strong team ethic and make everyone feel very valued (I have an open door policy for all employees--so at times i know more about what's going on in my employees' lives than some of their family members do), but the key to keeping a good work culture also MUST include getting rid of toxic people/lazy time-wasters. I used to find this difficult...especially bc they often have a million sad stories for why they suck. Now I have hardened a bit bc I have evolved to think about the impact that employee's work ethic has had on the other employees. Makes it much easier to show them the door post haste. Also, favoritism is the WORST.
Load More Replies... Management forgot that people don't work for fun; you have to pay them to be there.
Try being a freelance graphic designer, clients actually think what you do for a living is fun and think you work for free. “Who the hell do you think you are charging me $$$$ for this XYZ project!”
Load More Replies... It's amazing how employers manage to instate insane policies to control their employees . Everyone with a bit of a functional brain could have predicted how this would go down. It just shows the distance in thinking between employers and employees. "I will withhold one hour of your wage if you're 5 minutes late!!!" "Ok, that just means that I won't start working for at least 75 minutes."
Financial punishments will increase until morale improves. That is the 100% winningest management approach.
That is great sarcasm. Even recognized by Captain Oblivious.
Load More Replies... I used to work for a cleaning company, officially the pay (this was quite a few years ago) was 10 dollars an hour but if you didn't miss any days in the two week pay period you actually made 13 dollars an hour. They got around the legal stuff by showing the extra $$ as a bonus.
Exactly. Rewards are much better incentives than punishments.
Load More Replies... I'm not sure what my work's late policy is. If you are really late without ringing ahead then yes, you will have to explain yourself. I thing the general rule is that you make up the time at the end of the day. If you are 30 mins late then you stay an extra 30 mins. If you ring ahead and say you are going to be late because the trains are delayed then it's case of get here when you can and make up the time over the next few days
That is a policy that makes sense. They still get the same number of hours out of you, and who would really mind staying an extra 30 minutes—-or 6 minutes per day for 5 days—-to make up the time?
Load More Replies... In what kind of a fücked üp distopian nightmare of a shidhole country is this even in sight of something in sight of something close to kind of maybe legal? I'm lucky to have flexible work hours ... I come when I come, usually we're expected between 6 and 8, and leave some time between 15 and 18, fridays a lot earlier, due overtiming Mo-Thu. If one minute being late is worth 15 minutes no pay ... is it then, than one minute overtime equals 15 minutes pay, don't it? At least, there would be, if not fairness, but symmetry in this. Then again ... I guess this is in the US ... this is so wrong. Making up those rules invites to exploit them - rightfully so!
I remember this post on Reddit and I believe this employer was in the U.K.
Load More Replies... I just have a comment, I’m never late, to anything, it’s kind of a bad habit of mine but I want to tell you all what I just experienced working for a high profile company, in shipping, I was hired at a decent wage, so I jumped on the opportunity then 4 months later we’re finding out that everyone got a $3 cut in pay/per hour without any formal notice or email nothing.. so here we are, loading 5 trucks for each per day in 5 hours for $3 less an hour! They cut the money and the hours, couldn’t pay the rent I walked out and still can’t pay the rent! Point is, no matter where you work, management is ALWAYS ALWAYS SCANDALOUS! It’s their own pockets they care to fill, not ours! Just saying… I got caught up in the conversation. ✌️
Yep. I got fired because I got covid and they refused to let me take off the 14 days for quarantine. They made me come back the same day. I ended up fainting at work, they fired me and where i live there are absolutely no jobs. My car just got repoed and im on dialysis, i have to drive to the nearest clinic which is 40 miles away and theres no public transportation here. Im literally dying from not being able to make any of my dialysis appts and have no clue what im going to do. Ppl keep telling me to sue but that takes money and time, 2 things i dont have.
Load More Replies... As an Aussie with decent worker legislation, this whole story is appalling.
This is a company that wants to wield power rather than make smart business decisions. They are costing themselves money in lessened productivity, hiring, and time wasted in these worthless meetings. It's completely nonsensical at this point. Just from a logical standpoint it doesn't make sense. You know, since they obviously don't care about the being humane part.
People are getting tired of "capitalism is king" and the crap these companies pull to exploit them. Things need to change, permanently.
I worked for a company that would wright you up for being a minute late even with a valid reason. At the same time you were not disciplined for calling in sick. So if you were going to be even a minute late it was easier to just turn around and call in sick.
Sounds like those wright ups didn't build good will. (The right "wright" is "write" but it's your right to write wright right if you might.)
Load More Replies... About 25 years ago one of my former fellow corporate America peers named Dave came into the office 5 minutes late. (We were all on salary and were expected to work 50+ hours a week with no compensation.) The head office nit picking honcho quickly emailed Dave and asked him how he expected to make up the lost 5 mintes. Dave, bless his heart, just as quickly responded and assured the nitpicker that he intended arriving for work one minute early over the next 5 days. SLOL
Maybe he could have reminded the asshät in charge that HE wasted an ADDITIONAL 5 minutes just making Dave have to read and respond to a stupid email. 😏
Load More Replies... Look up the reasoning behind "being hung for a sheep." In the days of famine, the penalty for stealing a sheep was the same as for a lamb. Therefore, might as well steal an entire sheep.
Reminds me of when I worked somewhere that I had to go through 3 of the top 10 wort traffic corridors in the state. I could leave at the same time and be anywhere from 30min. early to 30min. late. They had a 3 strikes you're out policy for tardiness. Just told me leave earlier. I'm not sitting here for an hour 3 days a week early because two days traffic was bad.
I worked on power lines and we had to get stuff loaded up like poles and material. Crews of three or four. And it took each man to quickly get his truck ready, and load poles after the safety meeting. The safety meeting was held at 7 am on the dot. If you were late coming up to it, you would be spotted and called out by the GF or Supervisor. If you were 30 minutes late it would put the rest of the crew in a serious bind loading materials and it takes two people to load poles. I was in a similar situation. I would sometimes get to work 45 min early, but downtown Tampa there were always accidents and on the interstate and it was a toss up, but I was there on time everyday. At least I could go home. Spent a lot of weeks going home on the weekends and driving to a hotel 7 hours on sun for the work week. If I got to work early, I just enjoyed the quiet time and got ready for the day ahead. People's lives depended on us, lots of whiners on here.
Load More Replies... I worked for a complete @sshat who REFUSED overtime. Illegally refused overtime mind you. Fine. We found a lot of creative ways to get around that and get our money. You can't cheat people. They will find a way to make you pay....
Wait...did you have to WORK overtime without pay? Or just wouldn't allow you to work overtime? But yeah, that's why many companies have people on salary. We put employees on salary, as well, but I still give bonuses and/or time off for any overtime they have to do. It's completely inappropriate to ask people to work longer for no extra pay. (I say this being someone who works 80+ hours a week lol. The owners of our firm tried to squeak through with that until I demanded double my salary plus an extra $3 in performance bonuses each month. They eventually figured out that if you pull that s**t with the ONE person who keeps EVERYTHING going and is the only one who can do the things that are vital to keeping your business from going under, you better be prepared to lose EVERYTHING if they get fed up with being treated poorly. 😆)
Load More Replies... I've stayed at lower paying jobs just because I liked the mgmt or owner. The positive work environment,plus basic benefits outweighs higher pay, leveling up for me.
At one of my old jobs the "business hours" were Mon-Sat 6am to 6pm (we gave technical and engineering support to a military organization). The standard for an individual was 40 hours per week. How you got that 40 hrs was between you and your immediate supervisor as long as all times were covered and support didn't suffer.
That unpaid 1st hour is hilarious. They legally can't require you to do any actual work during that hour, so could come in and just hang out in the break room.
The best slaves don't know there slaves that's why most people are unhappy at work you do all the work and the people on get all the profits and you should feel lucky that you make enough to service
Because they aren't Emotionally Intelligent. That's the problem with placing higher value on either education or time with the company than on proven ability to lead well.
Load More Replies... Something like this in one of my high school classes. My first class started at 7am. If I was late more than 7 minutes then it would count as one strike. 3 strikes and I get a lunch detention. But the teacher never took attendance, so if anyone was going to be late we just wouldn't come at all. No punishment for not coming at all.
This is a big problem for many businesses. My firm once had the same issues with employees, but as DOO I took a different approach. I expect my people to be in their chairs ready to work at 0900. I give them an hour for lunch, & if they have made real progress or just had a really busy day, I like to let them go home early or will give them a day off if they really hustled, etc. I also have a 2 wk paid vacation policy, 2 wks paid sick each year, & have no problem with giving days off at will for whatever else that comes up--so long as people don't abuse it. Also give out performance bonuses & raises often bc law work can be intense and can burn you out, so it keeps people motivated and feeling appreciated. (Also pay 100% of medical premiums, offer a large life insurance policy & many other great benefits.) I do these things because I figure: without my employees, we're nothing. Employees are everything. But I get rid of dead wood ASAP bc they are real work culture killers.
Ok I've heard enough from you and all your comments about how great you are
Load More Replies... 75% of good employees leave good jobs because of a bad manager and most companies just allow it to continue instead of replacing the manager.
I worked for the Government. The initial hiring period was usually about a 6 month period of "hazing" where they would work you like a dog 6 days a week ( 7 @12 hour days a week for 4 weeks in December ) 8 to 10 hours a day with only one day per week off and start times that were all over the clock.After about 6 months they would give you a steady schedule with 2 guaranteed days off. Well... There was a hiring freeze in the late 1980's and my group of 40 new hires worked that type of "hazing" schedule for 4 and a half years ! Anyway, we all got pretty good at calling in sick. I called in sick so much that they told me I was going to get a week off without pay. I said: so... I'm taking too much time off so you're going to give me MORE time off ?! The union came up to me and said management has agreed to only give you 2 days off without pay BUT it will still show up in your personnel file as a one week suspension. I told the union F that ! Give me the whole week off !
Who cares about a few minutes late? Well, let me explain. I have five guys who came in early and signed in at exactly 8 o’clock. Now they are standing around the truck waiting for the 6th guy who called and said he was stuck in traffic. I am paying 5 guys $20 an hour to stand and wait for one guy who can’t be bothered to figure out that if he leaves 10 minutes earlier he would avoid all that traffic. He got fired after it happened over and over.
I worked at Russel Stover's outlet store in KS. Worst job to date. All employees, regardless of status or time having been there were only allowed 10 call off days for the YEAR. Meaning if you were sick, or had an emergency you only had 10 times before being fired. And YES, it meant really being sick, or hospitalized. I had an eye infection and had to take 3 days off per my doctor and it didn't matter that I had a note. Furthermore I fell and sprained my wrist, but I still showed up for work with a brace on and they told me that I'm not allowed to work. By time day 10 came I just didn't bother even calling. This was over a decade ago and I really hope the policies have changed.
I used to have a terrible job at a small business... but one thing the owners of the business did that I appreciated was their 15 min time sheet rule. They didn't want to calculate pay for paychecks for anything other than an hour, half hour, or quarter hour to make it easier. So they would tell us if we left at, say, 4:22, to go ahead and round up to 4:30. We got some leniency for slight lateness too because of it, as long as it wasn't a regular thing and we had a good excuse (traffic, etc.). I had to drive a highway there that was notorious for having wrecks, and I would usually just take a pic of the wreck as I got close just to be safe and I'd call from the road.
At a previous employer, they have "occurrences" for unscheduled absences, like a sick day. It was like a debit, you got a certain number of occurrences in a stated time period, you got a warning, and further disciplinary actions. At one point, they changed their lateness policy to also be occurrence. Yes, the exact same penalty as the unscheduled abscence. So if you were running late, because life happens, you might as well take the whole day off.
My brother worked for spectrum and that was there way of doing things. Everything was an occurrence. Like if his kid's daycare called and there was an emergency and the kid needed to go to the doctor it was an occurrence. An occurrence was suppose to be a nice way of keeping track of things because it's not a write up, but having just one in a certain amount of time could disqualify you from promotion. Having several meant you were let go and it was all systematic the why wasn't part of the equation. Neither was the quality of work you did before you racked up occurrences. It was automatic.
Load More Replies... Well its about time! The cooporate mentality of refusing to understand that s**t happens sometimes, coupled with their draconian methods of employee treatment, needs to be a thing of the past.
I worked for a company that would repeatedly give us early release on fridays. We were all hourly so it came down to stay if you want pay but you can leave at lunch or a few hours early depending on the day. We got new hr and the policies started to change. Suddenly we could only leave early if we worked a certain number of hours that week. If we missed work we had to make up the time we missed by coming I’m early or staying late or they would cancel our health insurance. Our late policy used to be a 7 minute window that you could clock in and not be considered late. They began writing people up for a minute late even though there was one machine for the 50 of us who had to punch in. The clincher came when I had put in a time off for a doctors appointment and they refused to approve it saying I would be terminated if I showed up late. I quit and never looked back. Best decision I made was to leave that place. They also still required employees to come in to work during the pandemic.
for the place I work, as long as you call if you're running late over 10 minutes, you're good. Of course, you do lose your on-time streak for the program we use to clock in, which I'm obsessed with.
Worked for a great private practice...until they hired a new HR manager. She previously worked with technology in small, retail stores. Healthcare is the same, right?!? We were getting pinged for clocking in early, late, not taking a full lunch hr, and let go if too many absenses occurred (Working in healthcare.) I had to use my PTO for myself & my kids, including one on the autism spectrum. I was let go after 7yrs...along w/ over 30 others that same year.
This happened to me back when I public transit to get to work. Late one minute? no problem. I would still go to my work station and wait till I was paid. Boss: "Why aren't you working? your machines are stopped!" Me: I punched one tiny minute late." Boss: "So?" Me: "Well, Since I'm not getting paid till 7:15..." Since all of us started to do this, Boss put a new rule: Paid by the minute when you're late. We WON! Edit: It's worth mentionning that the clock of the punch was running fast, probably on purpose...
My job at the cable was a nightmare and I was told even if I made it to the door then got hit by a car, I was at fault. We were terrified about every minute. Even our talk time to customers was supposed to be under 4 minutes. A trainee collapsed, we looked at each other and said, that's a ding. Then he was declared dead later and we actually said well no ding. (Congenital defect) Several of us went out for mental health.
So dumb. Yet companies - and governments still do this. Germany introduced a fee for doctors visit: 10€ per doctor for every quarter you went. The idea was to disencourage people to run to the docotr for every trifle. Instead what happend was that when someone paid the 10 per quarter, they went more often 'to make full use if it'. Took years to get the stupid 10€ off the table, again.
One of my father's favorite work stories was about how his first company handled lateness. You were punished for lateness, but there was an unlimited number of paid personal half-days that you could take off. So if you were headed to work and felt you'd be five minutes late, you'd turn around, go home, enjoy your morning off, then head to work after lunch.
I think most of us dislike heavy handed bosses. In my opinion, when we agree to accept a job, we agree to follow their rules in exchange for money and benefits. I think it's disrespectful to push against the rules we signed up for. If the rules are unfair or unreasonable, I have to right to take my skills elsewhere. I've had to swallow my pride many, many times in my 30+ years as an hourly worker at this same employer but it's a choice I make for myself and my family. Otherwise, I'm always starting over and usually at the bottom rung.
I call b******t. There's no way anywhere in the modern world that can NOT pay you if you're there working, ie: clocking in at 7:05, and being docked the next 55 minutes of pay until 8. Against all labor laws everywhere. People need to stop. Believing the s**t people write in reddit.
Just because it's illegal that doesn't mean it can't happen.
Load More Replies... I grew up in the era of corporal punishment was the norm, and I experienced my fair share of beatings. With that said, before many of my regressions I would justify them by saying to myself, “Well, if I’m going to get a beating, might as well make it worthwhile.” This article reminds me of those barbaric days.
Working in healthcare is totally different. People who are consistently late show disregard for their fellow coworkers. When your position/post can’t be left until your relief arrives and they are ALWAYS late strict policies are definitely needed
I work on power lines and it's the same way. If I was working in a location where traffic was awful, I would get there 45 mins early. Have my quiet time before the day, drink my coffee, sharpen my knife, or whatever in my truck to make sure if there was a backup I would still be on time. How can you trust someone with your life if they can't show up on time putting the whole crew in a bind.
Load More Replies... I worked(HARD)for 49 yrsand being consistently late was cause for firing.If YOU choose to show up late does the OTHER HUMAN BEING you're replacing get overtime????
Yep. But this is an even bigger issue with people who DON'T WORK. I used to have an employee who showed up at work 1/2 hour early everyday and then just sat on her ass all day. She always had an excuse when it took her 4 hours to do something that took anyone else 1/2 hour. So I soon fired her. Because keeping someone like that around just breeds resentment in the rest of the team. EVERYONE pulls their weight...or they go.
Load More Replies... Who is the smartass that can't see?????? Stupid stupid stupid. Keep on the civilian protest!
Are you referring to MY comment?.get over yourself.
Load More Replies... I don't manage peoples time. I manage their work product. WE set reasonable expectations. If the meet them, great. If they exceed them, great, higher yearly raise, I'll put in extra work to help them acheive their next goal (even it's with another team), fall short, we'll work togther to see how to change it, continually slack and try to take advantage of me : There's the door. Now, I get time tracking matter for hourly work, but even then....you're not managing people, your managing relationships
At my work all that counts is that my work is done at the end of the day. If I can do it in 4 hours, then lucky me, half a day free with pay! But I'm expected to stay longer if I can't do it and talk to a manager if the workload is constantly too high or too low. So far, at the end of the year, everything evened out at 40 hours a week, give or take a few minutes. And I get 40 hours paid no matter what. Good deal for everyone involved
I worked for an office that had a weird policy about requesting time off. If I had a doc appt at 8, and said, "I'll try to be at work by 9," they'd say, "Don't bother, we do time off in four-hour blocks, so you might as well not come in until after lunch. Same thing if I had an afternoon appt. "Might as well leave at noon or 1, since we only do four-hour blocks." Eff that, I just took the whole day. If they're gonna be that petty about making me miss half a day's pay for a single doc appt, I can be petty right back and say, "Fine, I'll just stay home, see you tomorrow/Monday."
What works for my small business is really simple, 2 rules: 1. Treat everyone with respect, rudeness and mean behavior are not tolerated in anyway. 2. Your work is done well and by the deadline. How the employee accomplishes 2 is irrelevant to me. They can be in flip flips on the beach or work whatever hours makes their life work; I don't care, as long as they keep producing good work. You know what, my team always delivers and I never have to worry about it getting done. They'll put in whatever effort it takes, because they have control of their own lives. People overall really do want to do their best and legitimately feel part of a team, not a dictatorship disguised as a team.
Administration at my job have a no call, no show policy that after two, you're fired. Someone I work with had a bad reaction to a new medication the day before her shift and nobody knew what happened to her. They almost called the police to do a well check so we'd know she wasn't dead. Department manager freaked out and wanted to fire her, but the supervisors went to bat for her. Draconian policies only invite fear and frustration into a workplace, and having your job be in jeopardy for not coming in to work because you're literally unconscious for two days feels almost exploitative. Especially when she hadn't had any absences or tardiness for a year or so.
Where I worked from 1972 to 2018 we used to punch in on a time clock. If you were late they progressively disciplined you for being late, but they did not snitch more than 7 minutes off your work. Say you were scheduled to come in at 8 am, but you punched in at 8:07 am (or less) the time clock listed your pay as starting at 8 am. If you punched in between 8:08 am thru 8:22 am the time clock had your pay starting at 8:15 am.
Note to mention people who will come in on time, then waste the first hour and do minimal work.
This is why I adopted a performance-based program for my employees. If you get something difficult done (and correct) by 1300 or 1400, I let you leave early. My thinking is, my firm benefits because there's a huge motivation to drill down and do your best work, and they benefit bc, after working hard all morning, by the time they are done they are often mentally exhausted and wouldn't be very productive, anyhow. Plus, they would just end up distracting other employees. Win win.
Load More Replies... A former employer started the strict time clock B.S., then got salty because no one would start any job, operation or project that would have them there past punch out time. Before the tardiness policy people would just stay an extra few minutes or 10-20 minutes here and there figuring that it all (coming in late, leaving later) evened out in the end. It cost them a lot of productivity just so that the clock was punched properly.
Company's. Singular possessive. C'mon, man! No wonder management feels it can bully you in the workplace. Change this stories cover image if you want intelligent readers to buy in (See what I did there? ;)
So bad grammar is a valid excuse to exploit people?
Load More Replies... The company has a big problem with employees, but they are handling it wrong. If I had an employee who was regularly late and/or who took unreasonable amounts of leave without cause, they would get a verbal warning, then a written warning, then a disciplinary meeting and then I would fire their ass. Obviously this is only fair if the working conditions and policies are reasonable. I get the impression from this post that a lot of people think it's okay to take off work whenever and show up to work whenever. I've run a lot of businesses and fortunately, have never had to fire anyone for these reasons. So what am I missing here? Do people really think it's okay to be late to work all the time?
No, people think that most employees who are treated with respect and understanding will earn that respect and understanding but people who are treated like nothing more than labor to be exploited or near criminals will not be trying to help their employer be successful. Nobody is saying employers should put up with workers being late all the time or with people who aren't doing good work, just that the policy should have a human element to it.
Load More Replies... Imagine copying a Reddit post, and calling it a news article. Good job being lazy, how about reporting on actual news.
Just to bring out the whining in comments like TikTok. Some people have jobs like mine where your small crews function and their lives depend on each other. If you are late or a no show at the last minute, you are holding up 3 or 4 people and putting the foreman in an awkward spot. We would do Powerline reconduct jobs and there was always a push at the end to get done. People get tired of the construction after 6-10 months along the road or in their backyards. How could you trust your life with someone if they can't show up on time? If you kept being late, they would send you to another location, which will be a place no one wants to go, and might be 12 or more hours away.
Load More Replies... It's another Reddit post that I don't think it's real because it doesn't make any sense. I don't know about other countries but in the US you cannot dock an hour pay when someone is working. You have to pay employees when they work. Time cards create records of what they time is and paying is not optional. In fact employers can be made to pay a penality to employees for withholding pay. Also, I just cannot imagine a workplace that shrugs of people not showing up for the first hour of their job or staying out for two weeks with pay. My husband has an awesome job with vacation, sick days, and pto. Even with all these perks he only get ten sick days a year before they tap into the rest of his available days unless he is REALLY sick (like with a surgery or hospital stay.) My jobs have never been as generous and I have had no more than 5 days and 2 requires a doctor's note. I've been working since I was 14, I've never heard of a job that kicks in sick pay on the third day, have you?
When I worked at ups, they would just back up your start time even if you're on time , just to hit their numbers. And they came and explained the late policy to everyone, that after the 21st late they will take action, so a PoC couldn't claim they were singled out
So tired of hearing people who think they are allowed to abuse their work/home situations AND constantly posting on socials about how bad their company treats them(when in fact many employees are horrible sniveling people with sense of entitlement) Grow up, do your job and do it well. If you don't want "that" job, look for another one. Just don't quit or slack off in your current job until you find another. When did society think that their personal issues became news worthy for others on such basic every day things? We aren't talking about sweat shops or child labour here folks. SO MANY people are dying(some literally) to have ANY job. Anything. Companies need to fire people abusing their system and replace them with staff that actually respect and NEED the job. Generally, people with families to support, often work harder without moaning then Millenials that seem to think they deserve to have viral backup.
Okay boomer. Sorry, is that mean? Millennials are mostly over 30 now, so if we aren't somewhat into our life plan, and serious about earning money it's not because we just got out of school and don't really understand the labor market. Also we ALL got a good beating by the labor market and national politics a bit more than a decade ago, and then to some degree a few times since, so we've mostly had experiences where our labor was clearly undervalued, or where we saw colleges taken advantage of because we were "lucky to be employed at all". After a quarter of a century of being the punching bag for everything that went wrong despite responsibility almost always actually being in the hands of older people, we're pretty tired of all the bullsh!t so please grow up and take some responsibility for yourself and the world you built and stop complaining about people tired of begging to be wage slaves. Also BP isn't news, so if that's what you expect, maybe the problem is in the mirror.
Load More Replies... How can people "exploit" a $50 incentive for being on time all week (comments under the main post)? By... being on time all week? I don't get that comment at ALL.
I would imagine it's something like showing up, clocking in, then going to the washroom, fixing their hair, putting their lunch in the fridge, chatting on the phone for a bit, and THEN starting work. I used to be an assistant manager and had employees who did that, and they just didn't understand why they weren't supposed to. Their mindset was that they get paid when they walk in the door, mine (and the company's) was that they get paid when they start working
Load More Replies... Well if people weren't so entitled and lazy these days it really wouldn't be a problem
Let me guess, you're a manager who thinks most people (except for yourself of course) are lazy and given half the chance would rather get paid to do nothing all day, so you think your only option is to be a hard-ass? If the only tool you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.
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