Person That Doesn’t Believe In Climate Change Says ‘SJWs’ Can’t ‘Explain The Science’, Gets Shut Down With Exactly That
Ever since humanity began worrying about its effects on the environment, there have always been people who deny that we have anything to do with climate change. However, there have also been plenty of individuals who step in and patiently (or not so patiently) explain why humankind is driving global warming, and that things need to change in order to maintain the Earth for future generations.
When Lorrie Goldstein wrote online that Social Justice Warriors aren’t able to explain the science behind global warming, Karen Geier hit back with a series of informative tweets that did just that. Karen’s responses got a lot of support because she summarized the science behind climate change in an easy-to-understand manner. Scroll down for Bored Panda’s interview with Karen, who is currently the writer and producer of On Belief: A Podcast about Cults and On Grief: A Podcast about Death.
Somebody exclaimed that ‘SJWs’ can’t explain the science behind global warming
Image credits: sunlorrie
Karen Geier took up the challenge and hit back with facts
Image credits: karengeier
Lorrie, the former editor of the Toronto Sun, probably didn’t expect that Karen would shred his opinion to pieces with facts, logic, and reason. Most people thought that Karen’s tweets were worth reading, and some internet users even praised her for calling Lorrie a “colossal donut.” While I don’t support name-calling or insults, I have to admit, this one got a chuckle from me and made me think of Homer Simpson. I now also have a huge craving for donuts.
Karen Geier talked to Bored Panda about her Twitter thread, Lorrie, and climate change in more detail.
“Lorrie Goldstein at the time was the editor of one of Canada’s largest-circulation newspapers, and saying something as asinine as “no one can explain how this happens” is unconscionable. That’s sort of Lorrie’s brand. He denies climate change and systemic racism because it’s good for his business. This was one way in which I could show him how ill-informed he was. I only thought it would be ‘popular’ in Toronto politics circles. I didn’t expect it would go somewhat viral.”
“The response has been largely positive. I’ve had lots of messages and emails from people thanking me for replying to Lorrie,” Karen said. “Perhaps the better story is that this thread made Lorrie’s life a bit of a living hell for a while because people kept sharing it and making fun of him. He asked me what he could do to make it stop.”
“As a joke, I said, “deliver a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts to my house.” To his credit, he made good. He turned up at my home and delivered me a dozen assorted Krispy Kremes. He still gets replies from people, but the frequency has died down. By the way, he is still at his core, a climate denier.”
Karen shared her opinion that she doesn’t think that there has been any progress in the fight against climate change. “I think we are literally at a point of no return and any intervention, even one that costs 10x the cost of both world wars, will do nothing. At this point, our only hope to mitigate the effects of climate change is to upend capitalism, and I don’t see it happening.”
“I would like people to be more science literate generally, but I would like people to understand we had a point in the 1980s-1990s to actually intervene and change the trajectory for the entire planet, but we didn’t, because people were making too much money to care. We’re in the strange situation now of planting trees that our children will never sit under.”
NASA writes about how we can be sure that climate change is real: “The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.”
According to NASA, some of the evidence that unequivocally shows that climate change is happening all around includes the rise in the Earth’s average surface temperature, which has increased by 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1.1 degrees Celsius) since the end of the 19th century.
What’s more, the oceans are warming as well, while the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have been shrinking. There is less sea ice in the Arctic, oceans continue to become more acidic, while more extreme heat events are becoming commonplace. There is overwhelming evidence that climate change is real — all it takes is some effort to look for it in the right place.
Here’s how people reacted to the Twitter thread
No matter if the earth is getting warmer, we waste ressources,we pollute the oceans,we extinguish animals. We will f**k it up in so many ways.We have to stop our consumer behaviour for so many reasons,that there is just no time to discuss or demand evidences
The "constant growth" b******t has got to stop, but rich white men want more more more more more more more, so we're all going to be f****d, and they won't even know what it's like because they'll all be dead.
Load More Replies...Some people believe the world is 6000 years old. You cannot argue science with that . You might get somewhere with the brick wall
and to think some believe it's 2019 years old lol
Load More Replies...Social Justice Warrior?? What kind of BS is that?? The rest is obvious enough. It's actually over 99% of scientists who support the theory of man-accelrated gloabl warming. The deniers of climate change are just as terrified as we are, they are just way better at lying to themselves.
The fact that they have actually turned the words "Social justice" into a pejorative and associated citizens having social justice power with negativity should tell you all you need to know about their level of intelligence.
Load More Replies...Even if man made climate change wasn't proven is that any excuse to continue to pollute the earth?
I honestly can't comprehend how you could deny global warming. It was 90o in Alaska this summer, glaciers that were once in Glacier National Park are going extinct, hurricanes and typhoons are getting bigger, stronger and more frequent, our summer in TN this year was 10-20o above average and it still is, the Amazon rainforest is on fire, etc etc etc.... READ about it! Pick up a dang science book!!
The Amazon is on fire because people lit the fire not climate change.
Load More Replies...Here is a quote attributed to Carl Sagan that sums up climate deniers "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe”.
Law of Newton : Energy is a constant. So, when you are burning coal, or any other fossil fuel, you are basically liberating energy that was sent by the sun, thousands of years ago, stored nicely under the soil, and now re-released in the athmosphere. Our only hope are the trees, to transfor the C02 to Carbon and Oxygen. Oh wait, we just burned the amazon ....
If you’ve been alive for at least 20 years you can tangibly say for yourself the temperatures are different. I don’t have to read anything to see it for myself
And if you have been alive for 40 years you know that it's pretty common for the weather to go through cooling trends and warming trends. So double your life experience and then lecture everyone.
Load More Replies...Why are people debating global warming? The worst thing that could happen if its fake is that we clean the earth up. The worst thing that WILL happen if its real is that EVERYTHING DIES
Nope. The worse thing that happens is a group of lawmakers impose socialist policies under the guise of "environmentalism" that erode our constitutionally protected freedoms.
Load More Replies...all this global-warming theories are based in the relation of the levels of CO2 over the temperature in the earth. But the relation is the oppositte, the temperature in earth influences in the natural emissions of CO2. Humans now are an 'external' agent of CO2 emissions, but this doesn't affect to the temperture of the planet. Curve of heat and temp have been always together, now humans are doing them to separate (incresing CO2). Temperature of the planet is always changing and is cyclic, if you see a historical table (from almost the born of the planet, because we can collect the data) we are now in a incresing line. At some point this tendency will change, and at some point too, the earth will have a new glaciation. Im talking only about the warming and CO2, not saying emissions shouldnt be controlled and that polution is not a big problem we need to address today better than tomorrow.
Even if you don't believe in climate change...why wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry? I don't get it how people spend so much energy fighting against it when they could just say "ok whatever...I don't believe it but just in case....I'll go along with your plan"
Deniers... Please visit Venus if you want to see the effects of excessive planetary warming ... and get off Earth so the rest of us can try to keep some few species alive while we still can.
Of course climate change is real but none of us put our money where our mouths are. We all want to complain about trump backing out of the paris agreement but we dont have to be in some stupid agreement that costs our country billons when we can all fix it by doing our part. Quit passing the blame on other people I am guilty and so is everyone in the world. China is one of the worst offenders. And don't get me started on stupid celebrities they're out there saving the earth one private jet plane ride at a time. They make me sick try to tell me to lower my carbon footprint when in one day they double most average person's footprint.
Didn't see a single "shutdown", just more senseless babbling and an echo chamber that sat around circle jerking them....
Somebody better tell the Maldives about the sea level rising because they are building new runways and hotels its not fair that they haven’t been told
There isn't so much an ideal temperature for the earth, as an ideal rate of change that allows human civilisation to adapt (change cropping regimes, build flood defences, seek alternate sources of water, relocated cities, etc.) and environmental systems to reach new equilibriums. Obviously the slower the better.
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Load More Replies...If you'd cared to read the first paragraph of that article it states that cities would be at risk of flooding if the warming TREND isn't reversed by the year 2000, not that it would be happening in the year 2000.
Load More Replies...Yeah, the Earth is “self-cleansing“. It's cleansing itself of that itchy parasite called humanity right now.
Load More Replies...The USA produces 16.5 tonnes of CO2 per capita. China only 7.5 tonnes. It only seems like they are the worlds worst polluters because it is such a big country population wise. Reducing US emissions is called 'doing your part'. By the way there were an estimated 30 million buffalo in 1800, there are 94 million cows in the US today.
Load More Replies...Sorr,y but that is just incredibly dumb. Someone always predicts stuff. Sometimes it happens (Chernobyl) sometimes it is actuallx stopped by our governments (losing forrests to acid rain in the 1980s). The climate change is not being predicted, it is HERE. Storms, flood draughts of unknown propertions so far only in parts of the wrold. once the permafrost has thawed and relaesed all that methane we'll really the action going, though.
Load More Replies...You taking a radical and normaliznig it is typical of the ignroant and uninformed. The data agrees with itself, not the scientists. That's called consensus. I realize that facts and data aren't your strong suit. Don't comment on things you don't understand.
Load More Replies...No matter if the earth is getting warmer, we waste ressources,we pollute the oceans,we extinguish animals. We will f**k it up in so many ways.We have to stop our consumer behaviour for so many reasons,that there is just no time to discuss or demand evidences
The "constant growth" b******t has got to stop, but rich white men want more more more more more more more, so we're all going to be f****d, and they won't even know what it's like because they'll all be dead.
Load More Replies...Some people believe the world is 6000 years old. You cannot argue science with that . You might get somewhere with the brick wall
and to think some believe it's 2019 years old lol
Load More Replies...Social Justice Warrior?? What kind of BS is that?? The rest is obvious enough. It's actually over 99% of scientists who support the theory of man-accelrated gloabl warming. The deniers of climate change are just as terrified as we are, they are just way better at lying to themselves.
The fact that they have actually turned the words "Social justice" into a pejorative and associated citizens having social justice power with negativity should tell you all you need to know about their level of intelligence.
Load More Replies...Even if man made climate change wasn't proven is that any excuse to continue to pollute the earth?
I honestly can't comprehend how you could deny global warming. It was 90o in Alaska this summer, glaciers that were once in Glacier National Park are going extinct, hurricanes and typhoons are getting bigger, stronger and more frequent, our summer in TN this year was 10-20o above average and it still is, the Amazon rainforest is on fire, etc etc etc.... READ about it! Pick up a dang science book!!
The Amazon is on fire because people lit the fire not climate change.
Load More Replies...Here is a quote attributed to Carl Sagan that sums up climate deniers "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe”.
Law of Newton : Energy is a constant. So, when you are burning coal, or any other fossil fuel, you are basically liberating energy that was sent by the sun, thousands of years ago, stored nicely under the soil, and now re-released in the athmosphere. Our only hope are the trees, to transfor the C02 to Carbon and Oxygen. Oh wait, we just burned the amazon ....
If you’ve been alive for at least 20 years you can tangibly say for yourself the temperatures are different. I don’t have to read anything to see it for myself
And if you have been alive for 40 years you know that it's pretty common for the weather to go through cooling trends and warming trends. So double your life experience and then lecture everyone.
Load More Replies...Why are people debating global warming? The worst thing that could happen if its fake is that we clean the earth up. The worst thing that WILL happen if its real is that EVERYTHING DIES
Nope. The worse thing that happens is a group of lawmakers impose socialist policies under the guise of "environmentalism" that erode our constitutionally protected freedoms.
Load More Replies...all this global-warming theories are based in the relation of the levels of CO2 over the temperature in the earth. But the relation is the oppositte, the temperature in earth influences in the natural emissions of CO2. Humans now are an 'external' agent of CO2 emissions, but this doesn't affect to the temperture of the planet. Curve of heat and temp have been always together, now humans are doing them to separate (incresing CO2). Temperature of the planet is always changing and is cyclic, if you see a historical table (from almost the born of the planet, because we can collect the data) we are now in a incresing line. At some point this tendency will change, and at some point too, the earth will have a new glaciation. Im talking only about the warming and CO2, not saying emissions shouldnt be controlled and that polution is not a big problem we need to address today better than tomorrow.
Even if you don't believe in climate change...why wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry? I don't get it how people spend so much energy fighting against it when they could just say "ok whatever...I don't believe it but just in case....I'll go along with your plan"
Deniers... Please visit Venus if you want to see the effects of excessive planetary warming ... and get off Earth so the rest of us can try to keep some few species alive while we still can.
Of course climate change is real but none of us put our money where our mouths are. We all want to complain about trump backing out of the paris agreement but we dont have to be in some stupid agreement that costs our country billons when we can all fix it by doing our part. Quit passing the blame on other people I am guilty and so is everyone in the world. China is one of the worst offenders. And don't get me started on stupid celebrities they're out there saving the earth one private jet plane ride at a time. They make me sick try to tell me to lower my carbon footprint when in one day they double most average person's footprint.
Didn't see a single "shutdown", just more senseless babbling and an echo chamber that sat around circle jerking them....
Somebody better tell the Maldives about the sea level rising because they are building new runways and hotels its not fair that they haven’t been told
There isn't so much an ideal temperature for the earth, as an ideal rate of change that allows human civilisation to adapt (change cropping regimes, build flood defences, seek alternate sources of water, relocated cities, etc.) and environmental systems to reach new equilibriums. Obviously the slower the better.
Load More Replies...This comment is hidden. Click here to view.
Load More Replies...If you'd cared to read the first paragraph of that article it states that cities would be at risk of flooding if the warming TREND isn't reversed by the year 2000, not that it would be happening in the year 2000.
Load More Replies...Yeah, the Earth is “self-cleansing“. It's cleansing itself of that itchy parasite called humanity right now.
Load More Replies...The USA produces 16.5 tonnes of CO2 per capita. China only 7.5 tonnes. It only seems like they are the worlds worst polluters because it is such a big country population wise. Reducing US emissions is called 'doing your part'. By the way there were an estimated 30 million buffalo in 1800, there are 94 million cows in the US today.
Load More Replies...Sorr,y but that is just incredibly dumb. Someone always predicts stuff. Sometimes it happens (Chernobyl) sometimes it is actuallx stopped by our governments (losing forrests to acid rain in the 1980s). The climate change is not being predicted, it is HERE. Storms, flood draughts of unknown propertions so far only in parts of the wrold. once the permafrost has thawed and relaesed all that methane we'll really the action going, though.
Load More Replies...You taking a radical and normaliznig it is typical of the ignroant and uninformed. The data agrees with itself, not the scientists. That's called consensus. I realize that facts and data aren't your strong suit. Don't comment on things you don't understand.
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