CEO Asks Internet How To Deal With Two Employees Who Constantly Leave Work At 6 PM, Gets Shut Down
Sound advice for self-care is to leave work at the office, but this CEO begs to differ. On advice website Quora, a boss made an inquiry as to how to get his employees to dedicate their off-duty hours to work.
Studies show that psychologically a poor work/life balance doesn’t just negatively affect your home life but your workplace performance. Well, it doesn’t take science to know the signs of a horrible boss and the internet wasn’t afraid to put this one in his place. Scroll down below to see the epic these commenters gave to this ridiculous question.
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Another person explained why these things shouldn’t be expected, highlighting the generational differences
Others in the comments shared their own experiences and thoughts on this workplace mentality
By the way, where are you the CEO of? I just want to make sure I never work there.
I fully agree with all that work-life balance thing. There's nothing to agree with it, actually, it's facts. I'd just like to add that, just because they leave office at the time stated within the contract, it doesn't mean they don't work from home. If they're devoted employees with a good sense of responsibility, when there's a lot of work and the deadlines are tight, they might take their work home. But they may need a break and a change in environments to keep being productive.
I can come and go when I please! My boss expects me to take responsibility. To step up in hard times, meet goals which I set myself and If things get out of a hand for a period of time I can ease down the moment after. I'm motivated every single day because of this and that makes me go for the long run.
Load More Replies...Really stunned that the purported CEO doesn't get it. Where has he been living, under a rock? And this is NOT a millennial thing, it's a human being thing. I'm a baby boomer. I don't see the problem with what these employees are doing. There IS no problem except what this CEO seems to expect.
psychopathy - helps you crawl over everyone to he top - but means you still have no clue about what is decent or caring.
Load More Replies...It's laughable how executives such as this will demand "commitment" from employees by requiring them to work long hours but not show the same commitment to those same employees when it's time to make decisions to lay people off, cut job perks etc. In this day and age, when American companies no longer provide pensions, 100% covered health benefits etc, incentives for employees to remain "loyal" to their employer are few to nonexistent. This is why many of us have LinkedIn accounts just in case a better opportunity comes up. As in any relationship, bosses get the loyalty and respect that is proportional to what they show their employees.
One day, when we will have to face death and maybe think about our life, I bet nobody will say: "Oh, I wished I would have worked more and spend less time with my family".
To be honest, if I would be CEO it would be worried me as well. 6 pm? They should be already gone. Staying every day so long at work, means unproductivity and unhappiness :/
I initially actually thought this was what the article was about 😆😆😆
Load More Replies...Want me to work more than 8 hours on a salary? Not going to happen, you want me to work extra hours then pay me. Number one, it's not my company. Number two, I probably make about 10% of what my CEO makes. Ridiculous to ask this question in the first place.
1/10 what the CEO makes? statistically, the average CEO makes 250-300 times what the average employee at their company earns. http://fortune.com/2017/07/20/ceo-pay-ratio-2016/
Load More Replies...How does this person have the title CEO when they are this ignorant and stupid?
Pretty sure both ignorant and stupid are prerequisites for upper management in a lot of companies.
Load More Replies...What he should do as a CEO ? Say "Have a nice evening, see ya tomorrow !"...
Dear CEO, I work 8 hours a day for an agreed-upon salary. If you want work beyond that 8 hour agreement, then we can discuss a premium wage above my normal salary. If you are not willing to do so, then I am not willing to do so either.
Elon Musk take note. That git thinks everyone should work 100 hours per week.
As a third generation small business owner (which I had to leave because my brain exploded, in other words, a grade-5 aneurysm), one of the most heartwarming small business stories emerged, thanks to my dad. The business did well; he drove a Buick. One day I asked, "Dad, why don't you drive a nice car. Like a Cadillac or something?" He pointed out to the production floor and said, "Because those are the folks making the money." That's entrepreneurship in the truest definition. They're not all d***s. And that's probably why his funeral was standing room only. :-)
I'm sure that that boss is an American. In Europe the boss would know that employees have rights. But we've seen enough stories where it seems that in America employees indeed are wage-slaves and by many bosses considered as a part of the inventory.
Dear CEO, Once you realize they're your employees not your slaves, you're going to feel much better about this situation!
My husband works for a small company that consists of about 13 people. He used to work for a company that was only 4 people and was miserable because there was no time off. He got paid hourly and any time off meant no income. He's worked salary before, but it was a situation where the boss would require long hours from him. His current job in this new office is different. No long hours, paid vacation time and no politics. He may be making 70% of what he would with a corporation, but he has seniority, job stability and a life outside of work. I think that's worth the loss of funds.
All very good. Companies no long show any loyalty to their employees; long time workers are terminated within days of qualifying for their pensions. Why should people who have no guarantees kill themselves?
Countries like Sweden have proven that they can have a perfectly functioning economy with "socialist" work styles that include 6 hour days. Switzerland has stopped top tier execs from making more than 12 times the pay of the lowest paid employee (forcing them to introduce fairer pay) but the rest of the world, namely US, considers these pinko commie "dangerous" ideas and prefer fascistic work conditions instead. Another propaganda tool for the corporate machine is the whole "contributing to society" shtick most often spouted by far right winger types, "don't be a moocher" "tax payers". These are all ways to ensure compliance and weed out any free-thinkers, freelancers and anyone that (rightly) thinks 9-5 heart attack inducing stressful work is completely unnatural and unfit for humans. Work your entire life until you're too old to enjoy life for a little promotion and the little house you finally paid off for a psychopath CEO who owns you in addition to his millions (or billions).
Is this some kind of norm in the US? In Sweden we work our hours and that's that. IF we stay for longer, the extra pay is so good that one sometimes want to work for a couple of hours just for that extra cash. :-D I love my job, but as a father of two, work will ALWAYS come third, after said family and my hobbies. Don't like it? I don't give a s--t. :-D
Why are you being so rude, Nicklas? Be grateful that you have such a fine working situation and stop acting like an Ugly American.
Load More Replies...This says so much about American work culture. I'm so glad I can leave work after 7,5 hours, lunch included, and never be expected to sit longer unless it's agreed on before. This is pretty normal in Norway, and still we're 3rd in productivity. http://time.com/4621185/worker-productivity-countries/
I used to come in at 7am and leave at 4:30 pm. I'd eat my lunch at my desk most days while working. I was also on call from the moment I left until the next time I came in. There were times I was woken up at 3am to fix the system remotely and still got to work by 7. And my boss would lose his s**t every time I left at 4:30 saying I was lazy and uncommitted. My projects were always completed early and I never left anything hanging, but he still gave me s**t every time I left. The best thing that ever happened to me was when the company was bought out and we were laid off. I've never had such a horrible boss before or since. Unless you're leaving time sensitive work, there's no reason people can't expect to have a life outside work and leave work on time. Staying late for the sake of staying late is ridiculous. So many executives are sociopaths and just doing give a s**t and will treat you like garbage for their own gratification.
that last comment they showed, seriously cannot admire that man enough for that alone. i physically heard him say that and i cannot agree enough with that statement and the fact that so many businesses dont understand it. if you are being treated like s**t what reason do you have to take care of the company you work for. honestly walmart showed me perfectly what a company that only cares about profits is like. nothing is better than having a manager get in your face and yell at you for not completing a task within the time frame he wanted it done by when even he couldnt do it. the a*****e legit was there for 2 hours until he gave up and he wanted me to do it in 30 minutes. it was after that he started giving me impossible tasks to complete such as cataloging all of the pottery we had which were in several places including inside the main building.... i was told to stay on the register that day, how am i supposed to stay on the register and be inside the building. he wanted me to fail
Maybe I don't understand the whole office culture thing, having never worked in one, so, can someone explain to me why anyone should work when they're not being paid for it? If it's your own business, then fine, it kind of goes with the territory. Is it just a bullying thing, jobs are so scarce they can make you work for nothing with the threat of being fired because there are no unions any more? I thought zero hours were bad enough.
In some workplaces it is just expected to work extra hours especially if you're on a set salary and they often do so willingly because of the belief those who show 'commitment' to the company will be looked at more favourably for promotion. Personally I think it's a bit of a con and they aren't any more likely to get promoted than someone who just works the required hours and does a bit of overtime only when necessary.
Load More Replies...I had an old boss like this. We asked him, "On your deathbed, will you lay there saying you wished you had worked more or spent more time with your family?" Since he has almost lost his own daughter, he got the point.
Bourgeois scums will be bourgeois scums, unless you seize the means of production. Then, they just become working scums
Let's sharpen the guillotines. Maybe the plutocrats will take a hint.
Load More Replies...Slavery is illegal. Employee's either work for an hourly wage or an equitable salary. By equitable salary I mean as you prosper they prosper. CEO's like you that want to be greedy and want to drain the life out of people just so you and you only profit is disgusting. You're disgusting to even have the expectation that employee's should be your slaves.
my advice is to appreciate your employees. you'll be pleased with what you see in return. expect too much and all you will see is their a*s as they walk out the door.
I agree that an employee should not be overworked and should not be expected to work off hours. However, I have never liked the attitude where an employee will not help out during work hours for tasks "outside the job description." During work hours, you are being paid to work. We all need downtime, but some people take it too far.
I'm ill right now, stay in bed. My boss is ill too, she is at home too. My colleague is getting ill too. My boss called my colleague (she likes to show us how much she suffers but she still works from home duh) and told her we can work from home because we are just ill, and we can use our computers in the bed. That is where I say FU I have a high fever and I don't wish to work in bed... That is why I will leave this place ASAP
I quit my job when I was yelled at for taking a day of because my then 9 year old was sick. He has special needs and a seizure is a bigger deal for him than for healthier kids.
My job kept adding on "small" tasks to my duties and cumulatively it became insanity. I was unofficially working from home in the evenings, on holidays and therefore never actually took a sick day. I was only able to schedule 2 of my vacation days and had to give them both back at the last minute because of my workload. When I "spoke up" about my workload, my supervisor would give me a raise instead of spending more money to hire me some help. The money was great but I finally cracked and quit and have never been happier. I think the people who expect extra time from their employees don't have personal responsibilities of their own.
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Words to the wise, as one who has been self employed or 30 years, you need to take a good hard look at yourself It's YOUR company, not theirs, why would they be as committed to it as you are ? Their commitment lasts to the point at which the money you pay them runs out. If you want them to be as committed as you are, pay them the same salary, benefits and bonuses that you pay yourself !! No, I bet you won't ! So quit your bitching, you get what you pay them for, how dare you expect more !
I am paid for a 40 hour work week but I normally work 55-60. When I get ready to go home for the evening I lock the door, turn off the light, and leave every bit of work there. I am paid well but not so well that I feel any obligation to take my work home with me. I don't answer my phone when I'm not there and though I will read emails, they do not get answered until I'm at work answering them from my desk.
I work 8.5 hour a day (we have an enforced midday break for lunch) and i am off. No way I will be working past working hours. I work to live, not live to work.
It's been said but get a life. Or as an answer pay them 3 or 4 times as much as usual as overtime might work
as an employer you bought 8-10 hours labour. do you expect to chase customers around for free and no benefit?
I work as a cashier in North Carolina for a few cents above minimum wage. When I voluntarily stay to help my beloved manager I endanger both her position and my own with the company because we could readily be fired for that infraction. But sometimes I just want to get something finished to help her out.
The Boss talks like the only thing delaying his life-saving cancer cure is the anti-social attitudes of his employees. I'm willing to bet it's some niche product that nobody would miss. I worked on missile systems. I daresay our product was a damn sight more important than his. I did voluntary overtime when needed, not very often, almost always my own decision. When I did, my productivity fell. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. How true. The reason this guy needs overtime is because he's Jack. I remember a quote of a former boss - very sharp guy . " I can get just as much done in 60 hours as I can in 40"
Ugh. I had a job like this. In the office at 8, out at 5 was the contract, but everyone would go home at 7-8 every day. I refused, because frankly thats outlawed under local labor laws and further its frigging insane. So I was fired. Oh did I mention on top of that it was so far from the city I was spending 3 hours getting to and from work each day. It doesn't take long to melt down under those conditions
There's more than a little hypocrisy here: Those employees will be dismissed without a second thought if it is deemed necessary to save money--and the CEO will get a bonus for boosting the bottom line.
Where where will all this loyalty be when it comes time to lay people off? Those employees will be dismissed and swept away in a second to worship that bottom line--and the CEO will get a bonus for saving the company money.
It all depends where do you work. If you work in the emergency clinic, or the critical care you have not the boss - you are there to care for the patient. As an example your shift ends at 11.00 PM and the new patients arrive at 11.15 PM what shall I do, of course I will try to save the life and do my best before the other shift starts and stay longer as it the question of the life and death is more important rather than thinking what the so called 'boss' will say. As I wrote at the beginning you do need the boss to tell you what to do You follow your own instinct and the Hippocrates Oath
I'm 61 and I've finally got my work/life balance exactly where I want it... I retired 18 months ago!
There are people who say you are nothing without them, but the truth is, they are nothing without you!
Stupid people like that make us look bad... Do they also toss in a few hours for free when they get hired by customers? We work to live, not the other way around!
if you stay after 6:00 pm, that's because you are the CEO, not them and not the same salary, don't you think?
But what are the company's working hours. If 6 pm is with in the company scheduled closing hours, then there is no need for you to bother about. But if the employees have pending work because of their own faults or irresponsibility, You can advise them to clear pending work by doing extra hours but with no compensation. Again that comes under poor performance. Against such employees, any company will have its own rules, regulations and policy. Otherwise any CEO has no reason to break his head for the employees leaving the office at the scheduled closing hours. Also in addition this should not be considered as a negative point in the employee's work performance assessment. Regards Uma
I think CEO's need to ask themselves...do they shower, wash clothing, get hair cuts, visit the dentist and doctor, and eat regular meals? If they are living a balanced life, then why would you believe the employees do not need that? You are turning your business into an hourly wage job and with that comes less commitment, creativity, and production. You will receive that which you are asking for with this type of mentality.
This guy doesn't want employees, he wants slaves that he can *pretend* to call employees.
Dear Mr. CEO: I hate to tell you this but more than likely you're the only one who sees the vision for and has the commitment to the company. Your employees simply work there; they have lives beyond their employ with you. And unless you really make it worth their while, you will be the only one concerned with the success of your business. Your employees are primarily concerned about a paycheck for the simple fact that they do not own the business. You are the one who had the dream, don't expect others to have the same dedication to it and make the same sacrifices for it that you do.
I think if the CEO wants more enthusiasm to work longer hours he should offer a percentage of the company as an incentive.
I wonder how many times in the week he played golf while his slaves are making him rich
Hire a boomer or gen-x'er. You MAY find a motivated employer or martyr among them.
I called off for having the flu-- yah know, so I don't spread that s**t like it's a damn gift; boss said it was okay. fine and dandy until I got in trouble for not answering my phone to come in because they were "busy" yep- I quit that day. I don't get management sometimes--- I really dont.
This jackass will be right on board with hiring robots. Good thing, because the humans who work for him will walk if he doesn't wise up.
I really want to know what the CEO's response to this was. Personally, I will do everything I can to make my employer successful, but only within the time frame they are paying me to do so. If they want more than that, they should expect to pay me for it. If my time is valuable to them, then they need to respect that it is also valuable to me.
This happened to me. I returned to a new job after having a child, and left at 5.30 every day so I could collect my son. When I had my three months review, they said "we have noticed you leave at 5.30 " and I was like and? Apparently it wasn't team work enough. I'd be still getting emails at 11pm as if it was a competition to see who was working the latest. I left about two weeks later.
Minimalist employees are effective and efficient employees. They cut through the drama.
I personally just left a job that expected me to work at the drop of a dime and that put everything on me and one other employee and when I finally got courage to say hey I need time for my family and won't work 7 days a week my hours got dropped from 40+ hrs a week to maybe 30 then out of blue my hours were cut again and I was struggling to even get bills paid plus expected to be a driver for a shady pizza place I worked at. When I spoke up and told them my insurance wasn't covered as a driver and that when I ran into car problems my hours were slashed to 9hrs a week. Also was paid under the table with excuses running from oh the accountant hasn't got back to me or to it's just easier for me...I was never given a set salary and jipped of hard earned cash. Then was treated like c**p by the employer who expected me to feel sorry for her when I was supposedly her only day driver....I stood up for myself and left that job. With the boss not understanding why.
I have a 40 hour a week job. You decide your working hours, albeit within reason. Some weeks you work a bit more, others less. It benefits both the employer and the employee. And we have paid days off, somewhat more then usual in my country, and also somewhat more then in the USA. Currently I enjoy 38 days a year excluding national holidays. Have pity on the American workforce.
To be honest, the boss usually benefits more than their employees, even if the employees are leaving the office at 6, they have contributed to THE BOSS's personal wealth already. As a boss, you should always think this way, you have the responsiblity of giving your employee a better life, so you should work hard yourself, think ways to improve work efficiency, try to let your employee live a happy life. As long as they are happy with you, they think you are reliable and respectable, they know how to do their work, you don't have to be severe at all. As a CEO, you are a torch bearer, not a person who gives orders.
I think if I was a CEO I would like to have people start and finish on time and where possible be flexible. The flexibility works both ways - so if the employee needs to take their child to the doctors, then I would try and work around that BUT, at the same time, if the company had fallen behind and needed people to stay a few more hours then I'd expect people to stay and help. Of course I wouldn't expect them to stay late every night. If they weren't completing work stuff then I'd look into it - am I being overly ambitious with the work load or are they slacking. If they are slacking then I'd expect them to stay until the jobs done or look for a job else where. The worrying thing is that with certain businesses they do need those who are willing to go above and beyond and work more for less so that the business can grow. People leaving dead on the dot and switching off from work are not always great for the company.
The second response was very good, this had more to do with the boss’s expectations. Maybe he was secretly jealous, or disappointed that he couldn’t have a work / life balance or felt entitled because he worked so hard. Or he was being a plain ol d**k. At my last job when I left, they criticized me for being too proactive and making decisions unilaterally. I took it as confirmation and never looked back.
this is called corporate coercion and is as common as snow in Siberia. Other words that induce guilt in employees to manipulate them into accepting worse conditions or to choose work over their families: "team player" "commitment" "colleague" "work ethic" "above and beyond" "best interests". Basically all the managerial buzzwords and phrases you hear around the office (but certainly not limited to the office) are designed to coerce people into working to their deaths for the bottom line. If you think I'm being dramatic, think again. A disturbing trend of office workers stay back many hours after their contracted timetables to impress the boss, even working constantly at home. It has contributed to the rise in "lifestyle diseases" such as heart disease, diabetes and obesity as well as alcoholism (from weekend binge drinking).
I am not sure what to say, as a student, forgive my stupidness. But is leaving work at 6pm a good thing or a bad thing though. Also i thought that the ceo is kinda over as he posted their photos I mean , why can't a ceo deal with this sort of thing.....speechless
I don't understand why these get shared here? "This person said this and these people responded this way" could be a whole category of posts here these days
Jeez, how did this idiot get to be a CEO? Just don't unshackle them from their desk. How hard can that be? Seriously, I'd like some proof this was posted by an actual CEO.
Dear CEO: Keep nagging your employees. Eventually, they’ll go away and work for someone else. Seriously… I worked with someone who left work 15 minutes early because he was very efficient. The boss nagged him about his hours. The employee left to work elsewhere. His replacement worked long hours because he made lots of mistakes and had to stay late to correct them.
hey Mr CEO, start clocking their time even if they are salaried employees...you agreed to pay for an honest 40 week....if they are habitually late, take and extra 15-20 minutes for lunch every day, and give excuses when asked to work overtime to meet a deadline, then take it out of their pay. Dock them for their abuse. Make sure they understand that salary pay is based on net contribution to the company. What are these jokers doing that brings any value to the goods & services your company provides? On the other hand, more often the abuse is done by companies who always expect free work and free overtime. If a worker can't or doesn't put in the free overtime, they get an unfairly bad review. Bad companies get rid of people like that. Do you have a turnover problem in your company? Your bad bosses that you treat live heirs and unfair policies are costing you money in the long run.
Employer wants loyalty but you are never more than 20 minutes from the door. Boss has profit shatring but shrinks from giving you 3%. Screw them.
I have no problem bringing work home occasionally, I assume that to be expected on Salary jobs when the deadline is tight and you have to pull a little extra weight. BUT it's not a daily thing and I choose to do it when it's needed, my job doesn't pressure me. I also do side hustles and run my own etsy shop, so work never stops for me- but such is necessary for the economy we live in now as a U.S citizen. My husband and I make decent money that would have kept us secure if it was 20 years ago- not so much now.
I suspect the person is a small business owner with an over inflated idea of their company and their own self importance. The CEO of my company can be a real jerk, but he' not worried (and it's literally not his job to be worried) about someone leaving at 6:00 pm. That's not really what CEOs do.
But what are the company's working hours. If 6 pm is with in the company scheduled closing hours, then there is no need for you to feel. But if the employees have pending work because of their own faults or irresponsibility, You can advise them to clear pending work by doing extra hours but with no compensation. That comes under poor performance and against such employees the company will have its own rules, regulations and policy. Otherwise any CEO has no reason to break his head for the employees leaving the office at the scheduled closing hours. Also in addition this should not be considered as a negative point in the employee's work assessment. Regards Uma
By the way, where are you the CEO of? I just want to make sure I never work there.
I fully agree with all that work-life balance thing. There's nothing to agree with it, actually, it's facts. I'd just like to add that, just because they leave office at the time stated within the contract, it doesn't mean they don't work from home. If they're devoted employees with a good sense of responsibility, when there's a lot of work and the deadlines are tight, they might take their work home. But they may need a break and a change in environments to keep being productive.
I can come and go when I please! My boss expects me to take responsibility. To step up in hard times, meet goals which I set myself and If things get out of a hand for a period of time I can ease down the moment after. I'm motivated every single day because of this and that makes me go for the long run.
Load More Replies...Really stunned that the purported CEO doesn't get it. Where has he been living, under a rock? And this is NOT a millennial thing, it's a human being thing. I'm a baby boomer. I don't see the problem with what these employees are doing. There IS no problem except what this CEO seems to expect.
psychopathy - helps you crawl over everyone to he top - but means you still have no clue about what is decent or caring.
Load More Replies...It's laughable how executives such as this will demand "commitment" from employees by requiring them to work long hours but not show the same commitment to those same employees when it's time to make decisions to lay people off, cut job perks etc. In this day and age, when American companies no longer provide pensions, 100% covered health benefits etc, incentives for employees to remain "loyal" to their employer are few to nonexistent. This is why many of us have LinkedIn accounts just in case a better opportunity comes up. As in any relationship, bosses get the loyalty and respect that is proportional to what they show their employees.
One day, when we will have to face death and maybe think about our life, I bet nobody will say: "Oh, I wished I would have worked more and spend less time with my family".
To be honest, if I would be CEO it would be worried me as well. 6 pm? They should be already gone. Staying every day so long at work, means unproductivity and unhappiness :/
I initially actually thought this was what the article was about 😆😆😆
Load More Replies...Want me to work more than 8 hours on a salary? Not going to happen, you want me to work extra hours then pay me. Number one, it's not my company. Number two, I probably make about 10% of what my CEO makes. Ridiculous to ask this question in the first place.
1/10 what the CEO makes? statistically, the average CEO makes 250-300 times what the average employee at their company earns. http://fortune.com/2017/07/20/ceo-pay-ratio-2016/
Load More Replies...How does this person have the title CEO when they are this ignorant and stupid?
Pretty sure both ignorant and stupid are prerequisites for upper management in a lot of companies.
Load More Replies...What he should do as a CEO ? Say "Have a nice evening, see ya tomorrow !"...
Dear CEO, I work 8 hours a day for an agreed-upon salary. If you want work beyond that 8 hour agreement, then we can discuss a premium wage above my normal salary. If you are not willing to do so, then I am not willing to do so either.
Elon Musk take note. That git thinks everyone should work 100 hours per week.
As a third generation small business owner (which I had to leave because my brain exploded, in other words, a grade-5 aneurysm), one of the most heartwarming small business stories emerged, thanks to my dad. The business did well; he drove a Buick. One day I asked, "Dad, why don't you drive a nice car. Like a Cadillac or something?" He pointed out to the production floor and said, "Because those are the folks making the money." That's entrepreneurship in the truest definition. They're not all d***s. And that's probably why his funeral was standing room only. :-)
I'm sure that that boss is an American. In Europe the boss would know that employees have rights. But we've seen enough stories where it seems that in America employees indeed are wage-slaves and by many bosses considered as a part of the inventory.
Dear CEO, Once you realize they're your employees not your slaves, you're going to feel much better about this situation!
My husband works for a small company that consists of about 13 people. He used to work for a company that was only 4 people and was miserable because there was no time off. He got paid hourly and any time off meant no income. He's worked salary before, but it was a situation where the boss would require long hours from him. His current job in this new office is different. No long hours, paid vacation time and no politics. He may be making 70% of what he would with a corporation, but he has seniority, job stability and a life outside of work. I think that's worth the loss of funds.
All very good. Companies no long show any loyalty to their employees; long time workers are terminated within days of qualifying for their pensions. Why should people who have no guarantees kill themselves?
Countries like Sweden have proven that they can have a perfectly functioning economy with "socialist" work styles that include 6 hour days. Switzerland has stopped top tier execs from making more than 12 times the pay of the lowest paid employee (forcing them to introduce fairer pay) but the rest of the world, namely US, considers these pinko commie "dangerous" ideas and prefer fascistic work conditions instead. Another propaganda tool for the corporate machine is the whole "contributing to society" shtick most often spouted by far right winger types, "don't be a moocher" "tax payers". These are all ways to ensure compliance and weed out any free-thinkers, freelancers and anyone that (rightly) thinks 9-5 heart attack inducing stressful work is completely unnatural and unfit for humans. Work your entire life until you're too old to enjoy life for a little promotion and the little house you finally paid off for a psychopath CEO who owns you in addition to his millions (or billions).
Is this some kind of norm in the US? In Sweden we work our hours and that's that. IF we stay for longer, the extra pay is so good that one sometimes want to work for a couple of hours just for that extra cash. :-D I love my job, but as a father of two, work will ALWAYS come third, after said family and my hobbies. Don't like it? I don't give a s--t. :-D
Why are you being so rude, Nicklas? Be grateful that you have such a fine working situation and stop acting like an Ugly American.
Load More Replies...This says so much about American work culture. I'm so glad I can leave work after 7,5 hours, lunch included, and never be expected to sit longer unless it's agreed on before. This is pretty normal in Norway, and still we're 3rd in productivity. http://time.com/4621185/worker-productivity-countries/
I used to come in at 7am and leave at 4:30 pm. I'd eat my lunch at my desk most days while working. I was also on call from the moment I left until the next time I came in. There were times I was woken up at 3am to fix the system remotely and still got to work by 7. And my boss would lose his s**t every time I left at 4:30 saying I was lazy and uncommitted. My projects were always completed early and I never left anything hanging, but he still gave me s**t every time I left. The best thing that ever happened to me was when the company was bought out and we were laid off. I've never had such a horrible boss before or since. Unless you're leaving time sensitive work, there's no reason people can't expect to have a life outside work and leave work on time. Staying late for the sake of staying late is ridiculous. So many executives are sociopaths and just doing give a s**t and will treat you like garbage for their own gratification.
that last comment they showed, seriously cannot admire that man enough for that alone. i physically heard him say that and i cannot agree enough with that statement and the fact that so many businesses dont understand it. if you are being treated like s**t what reason do you have to take care of the company you work for. honestly walmart showed me perfectly what a company that only cares about profits is like. nothing is better than having a manager get in your face and yell at you for not completing a task within the time frame he wanted it done by when even he couldnt do it. the a*****e legit was there for 2 hours until he gave up and he wanted me to do it in 30 minutes. it was after that he started giving me impossible tasks to complete such as cataloging all of the pottery we had which were in several places including inside the main building.... i was told to stay on the register that day, how am i supposed to stay on the register and be inside the building. he wanted me to fail
Maybe I don't understand the whole office culture thing, having never worked in one, so, can someone explain to me why anyone should work when they're not being paid for it? If it's your own business, then fine, it kind of goes with the territory. Is it just a bullying thing, jobs are so scarce they can make you work for nothing with the threat of being fired because there are no unions any more? I thought zero hours were bad enough.
In some workplaces it is just expected to work extra hours especially if you're on a set salary and they often do so willingly because of the belief those who show 'commitment' to the company will be looked at more favourably for promotion. Personally I think it's a bit of a con and they aren't any more likely to get promoted than someone who just works the required hours and does a bit of overtime only when necessary.
Load More Replies...I had an old boss like this. We asked him, "On your deathbed, will you lay there saying you wished you had worked more or spent more time with your family?" Since he has almost lost his own daughter, he got the point.
Bourgeois scums will be bourgeois scums, unless you seize the means of production. Then, they just become working scums
Let's sharpen the guillotines. Maybe the plutocrats will take a hint.
Load More Replies...Slavery is illegal. Employee's either work for an hourly wage or an equitable salary. By equitable salary I mean as you prosper they prosper. CEO's like you that want to be greedy and want to drain the life out of people just so you and you only profit is disgusting. You're disgusting to even have the expectation that employee's should be your slaves.
my advice is to appreciate your employees. you'll be pleased with what you see in return. expect too much and all you will see is their a*s as they walk out the door.
I agree that an employee should not be overworked and should not be expected to work off hours. However, I have never liked the attitude where an employee will not help out during work hours for tasks "outside the job description." During work hours, you are being paid to work. We all need downtime, but some people take it too far.
I'm ill right now, stay in bed. My boss is ill too, she is at home too. My colleague is getting ill too. My boss called my colleague (she likes to show us how much she suffers but she still works from home duh) and told her we can work from home because we are just ill, and we can use our computers in the bed. That is where I say FU I have a high fever and I don't wish to work in bed... That is why I will leave this place ASAP
I quit my job when I was yelled at for taking a day of because my then 9 year old was sick. He has special needs and a seizure is a bigger deal for him than for healthier kids.
My job kept adding on "small" tasks to my duties and cumulatively it became insanity. I was unofficially working from home in the evenings, on holidays and therefore never actually took a sick day. I was only able to schedule 2 of my vacation days and had to give them both back at the last minute because of my workload. When I "spoke up" about my workload, my supervisor would give me a raise instead of spending more money to hire me some help. The money was great but I finally cracked and quit and have never been happier. I think the people who expect extra time from their employees don't have personal responsibilities of their own.
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Words to the wise, as one who has been self employed or 30 years, you need to take a good hard look at yourself It's YOUR company, not theirs, why would they be as committed to it as you are ? Their commitment lasts to the point at which the money you pay them runs out. If you want them to be as committed as you are, pay them the same salary, benefits and bonuses that you pay yourself !! No, I bet you won't ! So quit your bitching, you get what you pay them for, how dare you expect more !
I am paid for a 40 hour work week but I normally work 55-60. When I get ready to go home for the evening I lock the door, turn off the light, and leave every bit of work there. I am paid well but not so well that I feel any obligation to take my work home with me. I don't answer my phone when I'm not there and though I will read emails, they do not get answered until I'm at work answering them from my desk.
I work 8.5 hour a day (we have an enforced midday break for lunch) and i am off. No way I will be working past working hours. I work to live, not live to work.
It's been said but get a life. Or as an answer pay them 3 or 4 times as much as usual as overtime might work
as an employer you bought 8-10 hours labour. do you expect to chase customers around for free and no benefit?
I work as a cashier in North Carolina for a few cents above minimum wage. When I voluntarily stay to help my beloved manager I endanger both her position and my own with the company because we could readily be fired for that infraction. But sometimes I just want to get something finished to help her out.
The Boss talks like the only thing delaying his life-saving cancer cure is the anti-social attitudes of his employees. I'm willing to bet it's some niche product that nobody would miss. I worked on missile systems. I daresay our product was a damn sight more important than his. I did voluntary overtime when needed, not very often, almost always my own decision. When I did, my productivity fell. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. How true. The reason this guy needs overtime is because he's Jack. I remember a quote of a former boss - very sharp guy . " I can get just as much done in 60 hours as I can in 40"
Ugh. I had a job like this. In the office at 8, out at 5 was the contract, but everyone would go home at 7-8 every day. I refused, because frankly thats outlawed under local labor laws and further its frigging insane. So I was fired. Oh did I mention on top of that it was so far from the city I was spending 3 hours getting to and from work each day. It doesn't take long to melt down under those conditions
There's more than a little hypocrisy here: Those employees will be dismissed without a second thought if it is deemed necessary to save money--and the CEO will get a bonus for boosting the bottom line.
Where where will all this loyalty be when it comes time to lay people off? Those employees will be dismissed and swept away in a second to worship that bottom line--and the CEO will get a bonus for saving the company money.
It all depends where do you work. If you work in the emergency clinic, or the critical care you have not the boss - you are there to care for the patient. As an example your shift ends at 11.00 PM and the new patients arrive at 11.15 PM what shall I do, of course I will try to save the life and do my best before the other shift starts and stay longer as it the question of the life and death is more important rather than thinking what the so called 'boss' will say. As I wrote at the beginning you do need the boss to tell you what to do You follow your own instinct and the Hippocrates Oath
I'm 61 and I've finally got my work/life balance exactly where I want it... I retired 18 months ago!
There are people who say you are nothing without them, but the truth is, they are nothing without you!
Stupid people like that make us look bad... Do they also toss in a few hours for free when they get hired by customers? We work to live, not the other way around!
if you stay after 6:00 pm, that's because you are the CEO, not them and not the same salary, don't you think?
But what are the company's working hours. If 6 pm is with in the company scheduled closing hours, then there is no need for you to bother about. But if the employees have pending work because of their own faults or irresponsibility, You can advise them to clear pending work by doing extra hours but with no compensation. Again that comes under poor performance. Against such employees, any company will have its own rules, regulations and policy. Otherwise any CEO has no reason to break his head for the employees leaving the office at the scheduled closing hours. Also in addition this should not be considered as a negative point in the employee's work performance assessment. Regards Uma
I think CEO's need to ask themselves...do they shower, wash clothing, get hair cuts, visit the dentist and doctor, and eat regular meals? If they are living a balanced life, then why would you believe the employees do not need that? You are turning your business into an hourly wage job and with that comes less commitment, creativity, and production. You will receive that which you are asking for with this type of mentality.
This guy doesn't want employees, he wants slaves that he can *pretend* to call employees.
Dear Mr. CEO: I hate to tell you this but more than likely you're the only one who sees the vision for and has the commitment to the company. Your employees simply work there; they have lives beyond their employ with you. And unless you really make it worth their while, you will be the only one concerned with the success of your business. Your employees are primarily concerned about a paycheck for the simple fact that they do not own the business. You are the one who had the dream, don't expect others to have the same dedication to it and make the same sacrifices for it that you do.
I think if the CEO wants more enthusiasm to work longer hours he should offer a percentage of the company as an incentive.
I wonder how many times in the week he played golf while his slaves are making him rich
Hire a boomer or gen-x'er. You MAY find a motivated employer or martyr among them.
I called off for having the flu-- yah know, so I don't spread that s**t like it's a damn gift; boss said it was okay. fine and dandy until I got in trouble for not answering my phone to come in because they were "busy" yep- I quit that day. I don't get management sometimes--- I really dont.
This jackass will be right on board with hiring robots. Good thing, because the humans who work for him will walk if he doesn't wise up.
I really want to know what the CEO's response to this was. Personally, I will do everything I can to make my employer successful, but only within the time frame they are paying me to do so. If they want more than that, they should expect to pay me for it. If my time is valuable to them, then they need to respect that it is also valuable to me.
This happened to me. I returned to a new job after having a child, and left at 5.30 every day so I could collect my son. When I had my three months review, they said "we have noticed you leave at 5.30 " and I was like and? Apparently it wasn't team work enough. I'd be still getting emails at 11pm as if it was a competition to see who was working the latest. I left about two weeks later.
Minimalist employees are effective and efficient employees. They cut through the drama.
I personally just left a job that expected me to work at the drop of a dime and that put everything on me and one other employee and when I finally got courage to say hey I need time for my family and won't work 7 days a week my hours got dropped from 40+ hrs a week to maybe 30 then out of blue my hours were cut again and I was struggling to even get bills paid plus expected to be a driver for a shady pizza place I worked at. When I spoke up and told them my insurance wasn't covered as a driver and that when I ran into car problems my hours were slashed to 9hrs a week. Also was paid under the table with excuses running from oh the accountant hasn't got back to me or to it's just easier for me...I was never given a set salary and jipped of hard earned cash. Then was treated like c**p by the employer who expected me to feel sorry for her when I was supposedly her only day driver....I stood up for myself and left that job. With the boss not understanding why.
I have a 40 hour a week job. You decide your working hours, albeit within reason. Some weeks you work a bit more, others less. It benefits both the employer and the employee. And we have paid days off, somewhat more then usual in my country, and also somewhat more then in the USA. Currently I enjoy 38 days a year excluding national holidays. Have pity on the American workforce.
To be honest, the boss usually benefits more than their employees, even if the employees are leaving the office at 6, they have contributed to THE BOSS's personal wealth already. As a boss, you should always think this way, you have the responsiblity of giving your employee a better life, so you should work hard yourself, think ways to improve work efficiency, try to let your employee live a happy life. As long as they are happy with you, they think you are reliable and respectable, they know how to do their work, you don't have to be severe at all. As a CEO, you are a torch bearer, not a person who gives orders.
I think if I was a CEO I would like to have people start and finish on time and where possible be flexible. The flexibility works both ways - so if the employee needs to take their child to the doctors, then I would try and work around that BUT, at the same time, if the company had fallen behind and needed people to stay a few more hours then I'd expect people to stay and help. Of course I wouldn't expect them to stay late every night. If they weren't completing work stuff then I'd look into it - am I being overly ambitious with the work load or are they slacking. If they are slacking then I'd expect them to stay until the jobs done or look for a job else where. The worrying thing is that with certain businesses they do need those who are willing to go above and beyond and work more for less so that the business can grow. People leaving dead on the dot and switching off from work are not always great for the company.
The second response was very good, this had more to do with the boss’s expectations. Maybe he was secretly jealous, or disappointed that he couldn’t have a work / life balance or felt entitled because he worked so hard. Or he was being a plain ol d**k. At my last job when I left, they criticized me for being too proactive and making decisions unilaterally. I took it as confirmation and never looked back.
this is called corporate coercion and is as common as snow in Siberia. Other words that induce guilt in employees to manipulate them into accepting worse conditions or to choose work over their families: "team player" "commitment" "colleague" "work ethic" "above and beyond" "best interests". Basically all the managerial buzzwords and phrases you hear around the office (but certainly not limited to the office) are designed to coerce people into working to their deaths for the bottom line. If you think I'm being dramatic, think again. A disturbing trend of office workers stay back many hours after their contracted timetables to impress the boss, even working constantly at home. It has contributed to the rise in "lifestyle diseases" such as heart disease, diabetes and obesity as well as alcoholism (from weekend binge drinking).
I am not sure what to say, as a student, forgive my stupidness. But is leaving work at 6pm a good thing or a bad thing though. Also i thought that the ceo is kinda over as he posted their photos I mean , why can't a ceo deal with this sort of thing.....speechless
I don't understand why these get shared here? "This person said this and these people responded this way" could be a whole category of posts here these days
Jeez, how did this idiot get to be a CEO? Just don't unshackle them from their desk. How hard can that be? Seriously, I'd like some proof this was posted by an actual CEO.
Dear CEO: Keep nagging your employees. Eventually, they’ll go away and work for someone else. Seriously… I worked with someone who left work 15 minutes early because he was very efficient. The boss nagged him about his hours. The employee left to work elsewhere. His replacement worked long hours because he made lots of mistakes and had to stay late to correct them.
hey Mr CEO, start clocking their time even if they are salaried employees...you agreed to pay for an honest 40 week....if they are habitually late, take and extra 15-20 minutes for lunch every day, and give excuses when asked to work overtime to meet a deadline, then take it out of their pay. Dock them for their abuse. Make sure they understand that salary pay is based on net contribution to the company. What are these jokers doing that brings any value to the goods & services your company provides? On the other hand, more often the abuse is done by companies who always expect free work and free overtime. If a worker can't or doesn't put in the free overtime, they get an unfairly bad review. Bad companies get rid of people like that. Do you have a turnover problem in your company? Your bad bosses that you treat live heirs and unfair policies are costing you money in the long run.
Employer wants loyalty but you are never more than 20 minutes from the door. Boss has profit shatring but shrinks from giving you 3%. Screw them.
I have no problem bringing work home occasionally, I assume that to be expected on Salary jobs when the deadline is tight and you have to pull a little extra weight. BUT it's not a daily thing and I choose to do it when it's needed, my job doesn't pressure me. I also do side hustles and run my own etsy shop, so work never stops for me- but such is necessary for the economy we live in now as a U.S citizen. My husband and I make decent money that would have kept us secure if it was 20 years ago- not so much now.
I suspect the person is a small business owner with an over inflated idea of their company and their own self importance. The CEO of my company can be a real jerk, but he' not worried (and it's literally not his job to be worried) about someone leaving at 6:00 pm. That's not really what CEOs do.
But what are the company's working hours. If 6 pm is with in the company scheduled closing hours, then there is no need for you to feel. But if the employees have pending work because of their own faults or irresponsibility, You can advise them to clear pending work by doing extra hours but with no compensation. That comes under poor performance and against such employees the company will have its own rules, regulations and policy. Otherwise any CEO has no reason to break his head for the employees leaving the office at the scheduled closing hours. Also in addition this should not be considered as a negative point in the employee's work assessment. Regards Uma
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