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Parenting is one of life’s biggest and most enjoyable challenges. Helping your children grow into incredibly capable, morally upstanding, and passionate dreamers is every parent’s wish. However… we sometimes lose faith in the future of the human race when we see how some parents are acting online. The sad fact is, just because someone is a parent doesn’t mean that they’re a good one (even if they love their kids as much as anyone else).

There’s an online group on Reddit with 245k members called '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' that’s been active since 2018. It's dedicated to shaming bad moms and all of their mom group drama. From anti-vaxx showdowns to debates about essential oils, the subreddit believes that these parents deserve to be called out for their behavior that, frankly, causes more harm than good.

Scroll down to lose a chunk of your faith in humanity, upvote the best of the worst pics, and do let us know what you think about these anti-parents, dear Pandas. Bored Panda spoke about the drama and misinformation that sometimes can be found in social media mom groups with the moderators of the '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' subreddit, as well as with Samantha Scroggin, the founder of the 'Walking Outside in Slippers' parenting blog. Check out what they had to say below to pick up some great advice.

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This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

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Jonathan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs to stop. There are a lot of Muslims in my country that refuse to get the vaccine because people are saying there is pork in it!!

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Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

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Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

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Julie C Rose
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet I bet if their government talked about banning ACTUAL assault weapons due to someone ACTUALLY shooting children, she’d screech about “communism”.

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"In my experience with online parenting communities, it's best to abide by the rules posted in these groups. Usually, that means no selling anything and no foul language, at a minimum. I generally try to be patient with people and open to different viewpoints, but it's aggravating when people are acting ignorant or spreading misinformation. In those cases, I try to give evidence of the facts without personal attacks," parenting blogger Samantha said.

Samantha used to be a professional journalist and is now a public information officer which means that she's very wary of fake facts. "Parents will make all kinds of claims in parenting groups online, including that vaccines are harmful. They'll recommend all sorts of remedies. But it's up to us to seek out reputable sources of information to help us make our own decisions on what's best for our kids," she warned that we have to do proper research instead of believing every bit of advice that we find online.

"I think we should reserve judgment of others' parenting styles when the actions taken are harmful to the child. And I realize what is harmful is open to interpretation. But if no one is being abused, let's have some grace for one another and the choices we make. Each child is different, and parents often know what works best for their child. Parenting is hard, and we can use as much support as we can get," she added.

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I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"kindergarten as it is now" ... I don't know what kind of kindergarten you have, but the ones that I know of involve a lot of play time and fun activities, including learning social skills. Of course kindergarten teachers are well aware of kids' short attention spans, so they would plan the activities and learning accordingly.

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Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

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The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

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Meanwhile, a lot of the subreddit's moderators pitched in to answer Bored Panda's questions. The mods explained that mom groups can sometimes be full of potentially dangerous misinformation, a desire to make money off more naive parents, and perpetuating "toxic rhetoric with zero consequences." The community also calls out those online groups that fanatically believe they're raising their kids "The Right Way" and anyone not doing so is a bad parent.

"The biggest lies are the coordinated lies spread in these groups on new parents at a vulnerable point of their lives. These women don’t need essential oils, or colloidal silver, they need paid family leave, affordable post-Partum care, health equities," one moderator explained. "New parents can be as dramatic as they want to be, they’re sleep-deprived and scared and have bills piling up and a new baby. Parental groups are allowed to be dramatic, they reflect the rawest human nature at one of the most 'precious' and yet frighteningly lonesome, most physically and mentally demanding, moments of our lives."

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Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

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Roland Gosselin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I will immediately ignore you if I don't agree with your views/facts/science"

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Gay Satanic Clowns

Gay Satanic Clowns

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JuJu
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

May the Gay Satanic Clowns save us all from overzealous Bible-thumpers

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It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

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The moderator continued: "So when people enter their lives promising a listening ear, a magical solution, and then shame them for breastfeeding or not breastfeeding, for co-sleeping, or sleep training, or not using magical amber teething beads, or for choosing vaccinations, then those are the heinous people that need to be shamed. They are actively manipulating people with a phony agenda and they need to be called out.”

Another moderator told Bored Pand that what inspired them to start the subreddit in the first place was the overall culture in mom groups that pushed their personal parenting philosophies as the one and only way to parent.

"These groups (like Cherry Universal, with specific subgroups for the crunchy moms and the sanctimonious moms) focus on preaching their way of parenting and viciously attack anyone who doesn’t fall in line. They’re a bigger problem for society too. Do you want to know where the anti-masking movement started? Look at posts from March-May of 2020 in crunchy mom groups. They push and perpetuate vaccine misinformation and an overall general mistrust of science and they use shame, groupthink, and banning to enforce their beliefs."

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Maybe Because That’s Illegal

Maybe Because That’s Illegal

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don’t do it. Simple as that. Also apologise and learn from your mistakes. Breastmilk is a bodily fluid. What if I ran out of water, should I piss in the brownies instead.

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However, the mod pointed out that far from every single mom group is bad. "Our birth month group, for example, has been the saving grace of my journey into parenthood. I have a cohort of parents who all have a child at the same age as mine. It’s a great way to get a quick pulse on typical development and also just feel generally supported, validated, challenged to be a better parent or find different and better ways to parent in a shame-free environment. I have a virtual village and that is just really incredible."

They continued: "To be really honest, it was how supportive I found my birth month group to be that sent me out in search of additional groups. My infant won’t eat baby food—oh, maybe I should check out this baby-led weaning group for ideas! (It was great, by the way.) But then when we started stumbling onto other groups that were just cesspools of negativity, abuse, bullying, etc, we learned about the subculture of 'mommy drama groups' and decided to bring it out into the public eye."

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#13

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

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From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate people like that. I am chronically ill. I am so weak that last monday I slowly walked 30min and the muscle pain lasted until yesterday , sunday. Tell me how I am not tired because I dont have kids.

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We’ve written extensively about how to be a great parent and how to help your kids become independent. And, considering that there still are (and always will be) plenty of parents out there who either stifle their kids or who constantly exhaust themselves, the advice bodes repeating.

Anita Cleare, a parenting expert and the author of ‘The Work/Parent Switch,’ explained to Bored Panda in a previous interview all about how to overcome the desire to be a ‘perfect’ parent and how to stay positive when we’re all way, way too exhausted.

According to parenting expert Cleare, aiming to be a ‘perfect’ parent is the wrong way to go about things. This does more harm than good because it puts lots of unreachable expectations and undue pressure on both parents and children alike.

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That’s Not How Any Of This Works

That’s Not How Any Of This Works

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Deborah B
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If WaTeR WorkED, YoU WouLdN'T NeEd To kEeP DRinKiNg It....

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Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was brought up religious and made to read the bible. Whether you believe the bible or not it certainly DOESN'T say that dinosaurs were made on the sixth day. Even for Christians this is BS

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My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So this is the next level: the no-certificaters. There is a lobby pressuring for you to have a birth certificate BUT I WANT TO LIVE IN FREEDOM THEY WON'T HAVE ME

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“Trying to be a perfect parent is bad for children and bad for parents because it sets everybody up to fail. Research shows that ‘good enough’ parenting is best for children,” Cleare explained.

Instead, the expert suggests that all parents aim for ‘good enough’ parenting that actually helps improve our kids’ independence instead of them being overly-reliant on us.

In Cleare’s words, this involves “getting it right most of the time but also failing your children in ways they can handle—so that they gradually increase their independence.”

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Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

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Do Babies Give Hickies?

Do Babies Give Hickies?

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my daughter was only a few weeks old I bent down to give her a kiss and she latched onto my chin. She had such a powerful suck that I had to break the suction by inserting my little finger in between my chin and her mouth. I had a red mark on my chin for quite a few weeks. So, yes my little human vacuum cleaner gave me a hickie.

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This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nooooo. Stupidity is not contagious, why should the flu shot be?😳

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According to parenting expert Cleare, “Great parents make mistakes but they try to learn from them (and not to repeat them too often!).”

No matter your parenting style, you can’t do much if you’re overworked and exhausted. That means that looking after yourself is priority number one. If you put yourself last, you’re not doing your kids any favors, Cleare told Bored Panda.

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F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

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From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

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“Even when you are really busy, try to find regular 5-20 minute breaks in your day when you can relax, practice some mindfulness, or do something joyful,” she said.

“Looking for the positives really does increase positivity,” the parenting expert added, suggesting that we try to maintain positive mindsets by being grateful and thinking about, for example, the 3 things that we’re glad to have in our lives.

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Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

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They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

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My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually have never heard of someone taking antibiotics BEFORE tooth extraction. Is this really a thing coz I have had 4 teeth extracted and not once did I need to do that. Afterwards yes, but not before.

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Meanwhile, Lenore Skenazy, the president of the Let Grow nonprofit that aims to promote kids’ independence and fights overprotection, explained to us that children’s confidence grows when they know that others believe in them.

“A teacher, coach, grandparent, or, of course, parent who thinks you are terrific and ready to wow the world can make all the difference in the world,” Skenazy said, pointing out that when the support’s not there, it can have negative consequences on the child. So it’s important to balance support while also letting kids develop their independence.

According to Skenazy, how a parent tells their kids something is often more important than what they tell them to do. Kids take cues from grownups, so even phrasing something differently or using a different tone can have positive effects even if the topic that’s being talked about is far from pleasant.

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Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

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Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

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“The best way to make sure that a child starting out in the world feels like their parents believe in them—rather than simply being fed up—is for the parent to make it explicit!” Skenazy explained that this is how parents can communicate to their kids that it’s time to be more independent.

The expert also highlighted that telling the child that you’ll always love them, even though they’re becoming more independent is a healthy, mature way of communicating with them. However, that relies heavily on the parents themselves learning to loosen their grips on their kids and setting the bar for their expectations lower (which, maybe counterintuitively, leads to healthier, happier families).

So, dear Readers, what did you think of this list? Were there any pics that made you go, “Wow, that’s enough internet for me today?” Where do you think the line between being a good and a bad parent lies? What’s the best way to avoid drama on parent groups on social media? Share your thoughts and feelings in the comment section below. And remember, stay excellent!

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Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

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Yeah, That’s Just Insane

Yeah, That’s Just Insane

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Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Home schooling group" kinda defeats the purpose of it being homeschooling, doesn't it. Doing it in a group is not a "home schooling group", that's an illegally operated, small school with unqualified teachers.

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If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

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I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

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God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bruh this child is going to have self-esteem issues if the parents continue to do this all the way up to adult stage.

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Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think they're called shamans, but I don't think they believe in Jesus :/

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Donkey boi
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Every doctor should only prescribe 'if need be'. If it's prescribed, it's needed. If you don't want to take the doctors advice, that is your right, get a second opinion, but to ignore advice altogether is ill-advised.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you're all assuming that she's looking for some kind of anti-vax essential oils doctor, but she's not. She's looking for a doctor who is going to be honest and not charge for meds she doesn't need (I'm assuming this is an American post), and who is able to provide the spiritual support she also needs when she is feeling scared or nervous. I know lots of Christian doctors and nurses who became medical professionals because of their faith driving their desire to serve and help people (not saying that non-Christians don't also have these drivers, but for my friends these are connected).

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In her/his defence, in some cases it can be beneficial when you and your doctor share the same cultural background. The doctor may understand your opinion towards certain treatments better, and has more of your trust when giving you advice.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My son’s ophthalmologist has a small nondescript sign in his exam rooms that says something like “Dr. Norman would be happy to pray with you before your exam.” As an atheist, I find it to be perfectly fine. He otherwise does not bring his religious views into our visits or his office. But I can’t imagine a doctor who asks YOU, unprovoked, if he can pray with you. Yuck.

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SoozeeQ
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perhaps she's from a small town in the Bible Belt, where that may be part of their town culture? But you're right, for the doctor to say that, without knowing how it would be received could be very confronting/provoking.

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LazyPanda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one is honestly fine considering the opioid crisis and other scandals where doctors are too quick to give out meds. As for the prayer part, they're allowed to ask about that. Same as saying, hey, anyone know a good black doctor I can support. Or, anyone know a doctor that is very pro-choice who won't ask me a million questions if I want an abortion? Unless we shame people for those things too and then in that case don't know what to tell you.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I go to church with some. It isn't the normal practice, but they will if asked.

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Robin Roper
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Subscribe medications? Me thinks the OP needs a dictionary.

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Vince
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

just take your child to a priest so they get medically molested

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about skip the Dr all together and get your heath care needs from your local church. They are closer to your source “God”.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my doc will only subscribe meds when absolutely necessary which is good in regards to antibiotics resistances etc.

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Eliška Hůlková
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think I know a lady like this. And btw. she is highly regarded as a doctor.

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María Hermida
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, I wouldn't trust her. Every person's religion is something private, and I wouldn't trust a professional that mixes his/her profession and religion.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually don't see what's wrong with this. a good doctor should think of other treatments than just immediate medication (diet, mental health, sleep patterns, burn out.....). And if a mutual prayer eases the patient's mind, that would also aid physical healing. A doctor who takes time for a patient is more valuable than one who just forks out prescriptions. Btw, I'm not religious.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Subscribe " meds...🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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Lynn Morello
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One who puts God and Jesus before Good Medical Treatment. You are in the wrong country. Try the Vatican.

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Martha Higgins
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

P.S. Doctors prescribe meds, they don't subscribe them. Look for a doctor who knows his science and find a pastor who will pray with you, if you need that.

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Teresa Taylor
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a Christian. The last thing in the world I'm looking at when evaluating a new doctor is their religion. I want to know their specialty, their experience and number of years in the field, if they are respected by other professionals in the field, if they are taking new patients and--most of all--if they accept my insurance. I don't give a rat's rump about their beliefs. This is America. People are free to believe what they want to believe--or nothing at all.

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Marigen Beltran
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sure there is a doctor out there with those characteristics. I started seeing a psychologist a few years ago. He kept asking me questions about religion and recommending me christian books to read.

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Daniel Marsh
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, there are plenty of Christian doctors. And yes, I'm sure some of them would be happy to say a quick prayer with patients. And yes, it's a little tough finding them because it's a little hard for them to say they're Christian without sounding like they don't want to deal with Jewish, Muslim, atheist or simply secularist patients and yes, they also don't want to be confused for faith healers.

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Imma
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know about you guys, but I think I should be pretty uncomfortable and terrified if my doctor wanted us to pray together... Like, "As I'm the doctor and I has NO clue, so beg God for mercy cuz I dunno shiet". That's just me?

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María Hermida
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Do those exist?" I hope they don't. But you never know. There all kinds of idiots.

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Lexi Mitchell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don’t think this one is unreasonable? She seems willing to take meds, she just doesn’t want to be given whatever crap will get her out the door.

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Jen Cook
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good luck, science and the bible are pretty much direct contradictions. Medical school is usually also an effective cure for Christianity or at the very least the notion that the bible is literal or you can pray away anything.

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Kim Kermes
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Time spent praying with you takes time from OTHER patients. Pray on your own time., and with your minister.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s probably a little less easy to find a religious freak / anti science doctor, but they definitely exist. She’s obviously dumb, but in a harmless way. Seems fine.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's *prescribe, Karen. Also, a question mark is missing, Karen.

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Vorknkx
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One who will prescribe a 100% natural course of... leeches!

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Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

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