Airline Introduces Tool To Stay Away From Screaming Babies On Its Flights
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Japan Airlines’ seating map shows where children under the age of two are during their flights. This move, which is part of the organization’s Smile Support travel service, is supposed to benefit everyone involved: it keeps children only near passengers who aren’t bothered by screaming and other disruptions, and puts passengers who want nothing to do with a fussy baby aisles away from young families who are sick and tired of angry looks.
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At least one other Japanese airline offers its customers customers the same feature. A spokeswoman for All Nippon Airways said its seat maps have shown where children are sitting “for a while”.
The feature has been met with mixed reactions online. Some fliers have been expressing relief
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Heloisa Flores, a Japan-based moderator on the popular aviation Facebook group, Airborne Memes for Flight-Oriented Teens, said that trying to make everyday life as convenient as possible with little behavioural changes is, in a sense, very Japanese. “In my opinion it works in Japan, and is positive,” she told Bored Panda.
“In Japan, a big percentage of people flying everyday are businessmen commuting to and from work. Depending on the route and time of your flight, you’ll notice that most people on it are men in suits. I live in Fukuoka, and there are more than 100 flights from FUK to Tokyo airports every day. That being said, and following Japan’s culture of not speaking loudly, eating or drinking in public transportation, I think this new feature is trying to make the experience of commuting on flights more similar to commuting on buses, trains or the Shinkansen, which are very quiet. And usually, this is due to respect for workers who are either preparing to work long hours or coming back from it.”
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While others have been saying that flying near a crying child is simply part of air travel and everyone should just get over it
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Most people understand and tolerate baby crying. They just can’t tolerate idiot parents that let their baby screaming for hours and still pretending they’re not there.
THIS six million upvotes. I don't mind kids, or babies. I HATE parents that ignore their needs that cause them to disturb other people.
Two idiotic responses in a row. You CANNOT stop a crying baby at will. You may be confusing spoiled bratty kids who don't behave with crying babies and those are two entirely different situations. You both sound really ignorant.
@Crochet lady: you can't read well, can you?
You really think a crying baby has a remote control to turn them on and off? So many reasons they can cry and you can’t do shit. Cabin pressure, sleeping schedule change, noise, lights, colic. I don’t know if you’re a parent but if you are you would know it’s not always controllable.
The point that is, you can tell when parents try to confort a child, and when they just don't give a F. Think OP is talking about the second ones.
yes. this.
What happens when the baby's seat is chosen after yours? If there are empty seats when you choose yours, surely a baby could then be booked into it.
Also, even if you understand, if you have the option to be far from the baby, it's useful. You can understand things that are annoying and still take steps to avoid them.
Love this answer, I am a parent & I hate hearing other babies cry. They are NOT attention seeking if a baby is crying something is genuinely not right
Planes are not that big so if there is a screaming baby on the flight you're going to hear regardless of where you sit.
It's still better than to have it right next to you.
I agree. I have been couple of times in a situation where someone's baby has started screaming next to my ear. That hurts.
yup
I'm with the guy who would pay extra for flights where only people over the age of 18 are allowed. On a long flight, that would be worth extra money.
I don't know, I've seen some bratty entitled adults too. So put up with a baby that can't help themselves, or an unbelievably whiny, entitled, loud, grown ass person who SHOULD know better?
I don't have time for the assholes, either. Babies cry. That's what babies do. It's not a big deal. KIDS that race around the cabin unrestrained put everyone at risk....and I want to smack their parents. The REALLY annoying people are the morons that sit and babble at you like you'll be their buddy if they just keep chattering. Um...No. I do NOT want to be their buddy, I DON'T care about their kids and puppies and kittens, and I really DO want to read the trashy novel I've been saving for months for just such an occasion.
Generally it's not the the kids who are the problem.
They didn't say they were. They just propose the option to sit further from them, even if there is noone to blame.
Or closer ;) - - - - - you only have information about where they are. You can do whatever you want.
First of all, babies cry for a lot of reasons. There could be the casual brat, or the neglecting parent who could, by paying more attention to a toddler minimize the fuss. However a crying baby on a plabe - now close your eyes and try to remember the moment the plane lifts off, the small turbolences and the moment your ears pop cause of the difference in the air pressure. A kid feels all those too. But as you, a grown person realise those are minor nuisances, a baby can literally be scared to death, not knowing what is happening to it. And as babies can only express anything with crying - they start crying. Stop being an asshole and feel a little empathy towards a small human who is scared.
I understand that they feel the same stuff, don't understand it, are frightened and start crying as their only means of "defence". But those frequencies make my ears bleed. So why all this hate towards people (like me) that just try to stay away from proto-humans as far as they can, to make the flight more pleasant for everybody involved? Except for the infant I guess, because they won't care about me sitting next to them, they got other problems of their own.
I agree with A B C, we know why they cry, we know that they aren't trying to be annoying, we understand and aren't saying we hate children and they cry for no reason, it's just really freakin hard to have to be on a long flight where you're trying to sleep but you can't because you're already squashed into the airplane and then on top of that there's a constant high pitched loud noise. I would feel the same way if it was a grown man screaming, but would you tell me to stop being an asshole then? No. That was mean that you even said we were being assholes in the first place.
proto humans?
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If you want to stay away from what did you call babies? "proto humans" wow, first off please do us all a favor and don't make a D, E or F. Also, if you can't stand kids so much. Drive to where you're going. If you're flying out of country deal with it. Also for you and everyone else that is hating on innocent babies, there is this new invention, it's great. They're called noise cancelling headphones. If you drop enough cash for a good pair which you won't have to worry about because you don't have any proto humans you can afford them. ;)
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I don't give a shit why your crotch goblin is screaming and crying. I don't want to pay a lot of money just to be forced to listen to that shit for 8 hours. Det over yourself, Karen
I dunno, I'd rather listen to somebody's "crotch goblin" than some edgelord like you, you probably put the seat all the way back while someone's eating and wear massive headphones and reflective sunglasses inside
You make me sad
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All those people asking for tolerance should like this feature, the more tolerant people can voluntarily take the seats next to babies, while those that don't want to be surrounded by what could be loud screaming babies (where even noise cancelling headphones don't help) can avoid a situation they already know can be unpleasant. It's a win win for everyone.
Would there be a feature for loud screaming autistic/mentally ill kids and/or adults who scream and carry on the whole flight? No, that would be discrimination
Nothing against parents of infants who fly but if and when I fly I am already having stress and I have auditory sensitivity and not enough money to pay for noise canceling headphones that will work against a crying baby in a metal tube. I literally CAN'T handle babies crying for my mental, emotional, and physical health. I would love an option to fly baby free but this Japan Airline thing is a close second. So for people who are saying that people need to "Just Get Over It" some of us CANT "Get Over It"
Could you please tell which noise cancelling headsets you are referring to that are able to cancel out frequencies babies cry at? Never mind the cost. Just asking out of professional curiosity.
so you can afford a plane ticket but not good headphones?
Yah, I have flown to Japan for less than a good pair of noise cancelling headphones twice now. I never pay more than 300 for international flights and the good headphones that actually noise cancel are 200 easy
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If you can afford to fly internationally you can afford noise cancelling headphones. There are cheap ones for like 40 bucks that work pretty decent. Also I'm sure there is anxiety meds for that. Thirdly, if you're traveling locally, drive. Or take a bus.... no wait don't do that definitely crying babies and MUCH worse on a bus. So yea drive. Maybe even go to your doc before a trip and ask for something to relax you? Like a Valium? Just trying to help.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I have a bad hearing but some tunes are just like nails on a blackboard or like someone drives a chainsaw through the brain really slow. They hurt physical.
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exactly
Won't you have to wait until AFTER all the babies seats are booked to see where they are? By that time all of the good seats are taken.
For people who see this as negative, I don't understand you. We all know the baby is not bad or doing it on purpose, everyone gets it but that doesn't mean you'd like to sit near one. You can already choose your seat anyway, it's just added information of source of noise so you can mitigate your discomfort, with no impact to the baby or the family.
On my long flights, there were always the babies crying the whole time. I saw that parents really tried to calm them down. When I get annoyed, I just think about their miserable parents.
To the people who say it is no problem--try having your seat kicked and the "touch screen" turned into a "punch screen" for a 17 hour flight. I have 5 kids, and I have earned a lot of patience over the years. Others do not have that opportunity. I fly a lot and what I do NOT see are people who "don't mind" offering to change seats with someone that DOES mind.
what kind of babies have you seen? normal babies can't punch screens or kick seats
The key is get a middle seat so you won't be near a child or baby cause they would need to be near the parent.
Being a parent I definitely sympathize with parents whose infant cries non-stop on flights. It's hard on them as well as us. There have been times during my long-haul flights when I have offered to take a crying baby while the mom uses the rest room or just simply gets a break. The ones that get on my last nerve are the misbehaving toddlers/little kids and their parents who act like they have no control over it. One kicked my seat and pulled my hair for hours before the little angel finally fell to sleep. Yeah, mom couldn't stop him. I figure if she's lost control of a four year old, there is no hope for the kid's future.
I fly business class long distances. I sure as hell ain't gonna sit next to a screaming kid after paying thousands for a flight.
So many idiots commenting on this. Of course, they're parents. Probably can't control their kids either. I hope this is just a step towards CHILDFREE FLIGHTS. As a Frequent flyer I can understand if a baby makes a little noise, the problem is the parents that usually act all superior and as if they have more privileges just because they have a child and they don't care about the other passangers. RME.
I'd rather have a warning of where the annoying gabby assholes who won't STFU are sitting.
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this. Seems like a win-win for all involved. I would definitely take advantage of it. It doesn't mean you're an intolerant baby hater just because you prefer not to be seated with one if given a choice.
I don't understand the outrage over this. It's just a tool to help customers make an informed decision or warn them about a potentially uncomfortable situation so that they can prepare for it. Isn't having less flight-related surprises a good thing?
not only in planes but also in buses..once i had a 14 hour trip on a bus and there was a kid, maybe 5-6 years, she was sitting on the isle seat. her uncle was in front of me. apart from being noisy(the kid) uncle is also very noisy like the bus was their house. not to mention her uncle reclined his seat that it is already hitting my knees. the whole trip was a pain to me.
So 300 likes is viral now?..
Who wants to sit next to a screaming baby? No one. But if you do: EARPLUGS should be provided by the airlines which will only “soften’ the noise. Still, one can hear a crying infant 5 rows up, so what difference does it make?
This is good, I guess? I mean, as a traveller, I appreciate any kind of effort made for the sake of the passengers' comfort and safety. However, personally, crying kids don't really bother me. It's whiny grown ass adults the annoying ones. Like those young ladies I had to endure on my previous flight. Everything about their words and voice tone was shouting "look at me, I'm spoiled!"
Personally after years of working the night shift on a paediatric ward crying babies are no problem with me
I know people who work with small children but at their free time they do not want to listen any screaming children.
I know, right? Plus you are in a plane, it's not like you won't hear it anyhow.
Does it really matter where you are sitting if there is a screaming baby on board?
This is so dumb I'm sorry, but as a mom and babysitter we have no control over when our children want to cry or not. We can try our hardest to make them stop and give them everything in our power to make them happy but they will not stop. You where a baby and you cried and trust me, there is no more embarrassing thing than knowing your inconveniencing someone especially in that settings. Babies don't cry in convenient times and it is our jobs as mothers or parents in general to make them stop. I understand that. But sometimes they won't and we are more embarrassed than you are angry at us for being there next to you.
"Ultimately, there are more important things to worry about."
I take a sleep mask, noise-cancelling earphones and earplugs, because there are all kinds of disturbances.
Isn’t this why there are classes in the airplane though?
I'm a Nana kids cry BUT would they put an icon on a seat to warn me a BIG person was sitting there or someone with bad body odour. Hate both those things.
yeah, babies can't help being babies, but fat people and smelly people can. but you know, body positivity and all, better to just hate children instead
Very good idea! This should be made standard practice everywhere. I mean, it's just an extra piece of information for you to consider when choosing the seats. Dunno why some people don't want to be more informed. I do! :-)
I have a feeling that the people saying "thank you" do not have kids, and the ones saying "get over it" are parents, and I, a father of 2 wonderful boys (not infants though), join in by saying "get over it guys" 😁.
Our seats have no babies seating. The only flight we fly are Singapore, and ANA airlines, it's clean and safe, we would not go for others. If there are no other choice we would just cancel.
babies make a plane unsafe? lol...
I'd gladly suffer a screaming baby over a 20 stone person in the seat next to me encroaching into my space......... Is there an emoji for that scenario..?
I would pay extra for flights with no children. Once I had a woman change her babies diaper on the tray table and another time a kid grabbed my laptop and started tapping on it while the mother did nothing.
Babies, i can understand, it the unruly toddlers that i can't tolerate.
Love this!! I don't want to sit next to babies
Never been annoyed by a baby. Have been annoyed many times by drunken idiots in stag and hen parties, shouting, swearing and generally running the flight attendants ragged.
i was on a flight once with a row of drunk german dudes sitting behind me, they were carrying on like complete twonks, seriously loud, abusive to the staff and disruptive...then they had the audacity to eyeball a parent who's baby made a little sound
They should just put the kids down in the hold with the other pets.
I have been oddly lucky and never had a baby, or one that cried at all at least, on a plane. Now I'm afraid to fly again since I jinxed it!
Gsundar makes a good point. I have both misophonia, but good tolerance. I can't handle gum smacking or moaning sounds, but my tolerance method is just putting in some earbuds and chilling to the tunes.
But it only shows where seats that are appropriate for travelling with small children are located. It is more of a tool to show the likelihood of having babies in your immediate surroundings instead of telling where exactly everyone will be seated during the flight. I think it is helpful to people who do maybe not realize that bulkhead positions are often used by parents and might get surprised by all the little ones around them. Just a helpful tool, no need to make a big deal out of it or accuse people of being the problematic one just because they prefer to sit a little further from small children if they can influence the odds to be in their favour. Parents have needs, babies have needs, but some adults might also have their needs (sensory issues, migraine, whatever) - just respect each other.
i'm torn between liking this idea, wishing it was for like 2-6 year olds instead because those are usually the ones that actually try to annoy you, and worrying that this is an unsafe thing to do because pedos now know exactly where the children sit. as someone who's been on a 7 hour flight with a 5 year old kicking my seat from behind while the parent says "boys will be boys" instead of stopping them, i think a lot of parents assume because their kids are good or they are good parents that translates to other parents too, but that's not the case. i can totally understand being wary of sitting near a kid on a flight because you don't know if this is a good parent or not, but i don't think the under 2 crowd is the real worst culprit.
My I have three suggestions? 1) Buy noise-cancelling headsets. If you can afford long-haul flights, you can afford these. 2) Just act human on a flight. Marking "danger-zones" beforehand will just give a wrong impression. Do you also want an icon for smelly and drunken people? What about one for disabled ones? You get the point I guess. Just talk to people and be friendly to each other. 3) If you really want to do something, be the first to stand up and walk to the parents of a crying child. But not to rant at them, like all the others, but to affirm them. And see a miracle happen: parents get more relaxed, baby gets more relaxed. Works surpsiringly often.
Have you considered that some of us who would be on said flights with said crying infants have auditory sensitivity tied to a disability ourselves and can't afford a set of really good noise-canceling headphones that can outdo a crying infant and that maybe we ourselves aren't paying for the flight but a relative?
would you be as whiny about an autistic adult screeching throughout the whole flight?
Frankly, just ask a flight attendant to be relocated. This usually is possible, at least after take off. Still no luck? Ask fellow passengers to relocate, explaining the situation. Still no luck? Yes, that may happen. And sometime life isn't fair.
Then get your considerate relative to buy you those headphones. As a person who (maybe) can't help being in a situation you can't handle, you have got to respect other people(babies) in the same situation. Make the best of it.
I get very severe sudden onset headaches and a baby's crying is like being drilled in the brain, but it isn't their fault and crying is all they have to communicate. Most parents do their best. So I just do all that I can with some pretty good noise cancelling headphones and just swallow down some painkillers and hope the pain doesn't drive me nuts so that I end up joining in with the little baby!
Hans stop making logical points at BP. They'd rather just hate on children.
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Oh yeah you said you travel a lot right? Thanks!
I do. Occasionally with babies on board. :)
May I have ONE suggestion? Don't bring a baby on a plane. I don't want to spend extra extra money on gadgets just to block out your screaming kids
Tbh most of the commenters are 100% more rude than the OP. People have every right to plan their jorneys to be as relaxing as possible. Of corse babies don't cry to spite people. But that doesn't mean everyone has to be subjected to it. A lot of travellers are stressed out and don't deserve to be put through more stress. The whole "YOU are the problem" or "Adults are worse" is just internet addicts trying to be relevant.
I'd pay extra not to sit next to a screaming kid!
Just set the back for families and be done with it.
Many babies experience the bends (like deep sea-divers do) from pressurizing and depressurization of the plane’s cabin. Both cause me extreme pain in my head. Notice how babies only cry most times when the plane is taking off or landing. People have no idea what is happening to the babies (or me) which is why I think it is cruel to take babies along on flights. Far wiser to take a train or bus.
lol, all the adults here acting more childish than the babies. waaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa
I've never understood why anyone would take a baby on a long-haul flight. Surely it would be easier to just rent one when you get to your destination.
loooooool
Ha ha ha ha. Haters gonna hate.
Many people also wish for hotels that are only for adults and are alcohol free. That is because they want to actually sleep at the hotel and not listen screaming children or partying adults the whole night. :) I have also stayed at hotels where it is impossible to sleep because of the loud noises.
Lets be honest if an adult screamed the whole flight s/ he most like would be arrested. This isnt about hating on babies...its the disturbance they make. I dont want a drunk dude screaming and i dont want a baby crying
Better question why are you taking a baby..not an toddler..a baby on a plane...you know damn well the air pressure hurts their ears and it will be screaming the whole flight..
The same reason you're in the plane... To travel to a destination.
So just get over it or tolerate it... hmmm. How bout we have an option to separate us from them? Because as mentioned there are many idiot parents who don’t care that others may have work to do, wish to sleep or like myself get my nerves jangled in response to high pitched wailing and being totally powerless to take myself out of the situation/distressing/torturous environment. Not only annoying, but no one wants to hear a child cry. It breaks your heart too. And again helpless to help. So please let us separate if we want. Those it doesn’t bother, feel free to remain. I’ve had too many bawlin baby headaches on flights, and once a violent episode of vomit from a child land on me. Six hours of crying and smelling bad! No, I don’t think I can just “ get over it”
Great!
I absolutely hate screaming kids on a plane. It's why we invented headphones, 18" laptops and animal vs grandma pornography. No need to ask for another seat as the parents will do that for you.
Generally I am fine if I remember my headphones but as an Autistic person, it can be sensory overload and frustrates me.
Generally I am fine if I remember my headphones, but as someone with Autism, it can be very overwhelming and frustrating for me.
It should show all children. I don’t pay hundreds of pounds to be kicked in the back for hours. In fact airlines should seat children together at the front.
This is dumb. So I pick a seat away from a baby in a completely enclosed flying tube so no matter where you sit you'll still hear it, it's not a friggin hotel where you can get on a different floor. Also most of the time babies cry on a plane because their ears aren't popping. Not like you can give a 6 month old gum. I flew with my kids when they were little. I gave them a little bit of benadryl before the trip and they were fine. Cleared their sinuses and helped them sleep. People are stupid.. Please pick a seat away from me. lol. Oh and then when you pick that baby free row, I hope parents book a seat next to you with twins. lol
shouldnt drug your kids for nobody.
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oh jesus mary and joseph, get the fuck over it already. babies are human beings at an early stage of life, stop trying to dehumanise them. they cry, as did everyone at that age. and they need to travel. get some good headphones and grow the fuck up.
An unnerving sound is unnerving regardless of the source. You can sugarcoat it as much as you want and try to shame people for being disturbed by an unnerving sound, but fact is that a prolonged loud noises disturbs everyone.
What would you say if this was about a certain type of disabled person screeching far more loudly and disruptive than a baby? You'd have to bite your lips and handle it then. right?
Bit harsh there on old people, most of the ones I have known don't smell!!
they should be shamed, because there's all manner of people who live, travel and work all around you, and life can't stop because you're "unnerved" by something. i'm not the one sugarcoating, you're the one sugarcoating reality. babies cry, old people smell, and life happens. You as an adult have the power and capacity to help yourself either by wearing headphones or growing up and dealing with it, babies dont
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Get over yourself, VALERIE. No one likes your sex trophy. Take the damn car instead of subjecting the rest of us to your nastiness.
I don't have kids, edgelord Frankenfuck. You get over yourself, reality denier.
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why they dont mark seats of dumb assholes ... ????????????????? That will help me a lot, thank you ;D
Cause you'd know where you'd have to sit?
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You'd take up every single one of them
Most people understand and tolerate baby crying. They just can’t tolerate idiot parents that let their baby screaming for hours and still pretending they’re not there.
THIS six million upvotes. I don't mind kids, or babies. I HATE parents that ignore their needs that cause them to disturb other people.
Two idiotic responses in a row. You CANNOT stop a crying baby at will. You may be confusing spoiled bratty kids who don't behave with crying babies and those are two entirely different situations. You both sound really ignorant.
@Crochet lady: you can't read well, can you?
You really think a crying baby has a remote control to turn them on and off? So many reasons they can cry and you can’t do shit. Cabin pressure, sleeping schedule change, noise, lights, colic. I don’t know if you’re a parent but if you are you would know it’s not always controllable.
The point that is, you can tell when parents try to confort a child, and when they just don't give a F. Think OP is talking about the second ones.
yes. this.
What happens when the baby's seat is chosen after yours? If there are empty seats when you choose yours, surely a baby could then be booked into it.
Also, even if you understand, if you have the option to be far from the baby, it's useful. You can understand things that are annoying and still take steps to avoid them.
Love this answer, I am a parent & I hate hearing other babies cry. They are NOT attention seeking if a baby is crying something is genuinely not right
Planes are not that big so if there is a screaming baby on the flight you're going to hear regardless of where you sit.
It's still better than to have it right next to you.
I agree. I have been couple of times in a situation where someone's baby has started screaming next to my ear. That hurts.
yup
I'm with the guy who would pay extra for flights where only people over the age of 18 are allowed. On a long flight, that would be worth extra money.
I don't know, I've seen some bratty entitled adults too. So put up with a baby that can't help themselves, or an unbelievably whiny, entitled, loud, grown ass person who SHOULD know better?
I don't have time for the assholes, either. Babies cry. That's what babies do. It's not a big deal. KIDS that race around the cabin unrestrained put everyone at risk....and I want to smack their parents. The REALLY annoying people are the morons that sit and babble at you like you'll be their buddy if they just keep chattering. Um...No. I do NOT want to be their buddy, I DON'T care about their kids and puppies and kittens, and I really DO want to read the trashy novel I've been saving for months for just such an occasion.
Generally it's not the the kids who are the problem.
They didn't say they were. They just propose the option to sit further from them, even if there is noone to blame.
Or closer ;) - - - - - you only have information about where they are. You can do whatever you want.
First of all, babies cry for a lot of reasons. There could be the casual brat, or the neglecting parent who could, by paying more attention to a toddler minimize the fuss. However a crying baby on a plabe - now close your eyes and try to remember the moment the plane lifts off, the small turbolences and the moment your ears pop cause of the difference in the air pressure. A kid feels all those too. But as you, a grown person realise those are minor nuisances, a baby can literally be scared to death, not knowing what is happening to it. And as babies can only express anything with crying - they start crying. Stop being an asshole and feel a little empathy towards a small human who is scared.
I understand that they feel the same stuff, don't understand it, are frightened and start crying as their only means of "defence". But those frequencies make my ears bleed. So why all this hate towards people (like me) that just try to stay away from proto-humans as far as they can, to make the flight more pleasant for everybody involved? Except for the infant I guess, because they won't care about me sitting next to them, they got other problems of their own.
I agree with A B C, we know why they cry, we know that they aren't trying to be annoying, we understand and aren't saying we hate children and they cry for no reason, it's just really freakin hard to have to be on a long flight where you're trying to sleep but you can't because you're already squashed into the airplane and then on top of that there's a constant high pitched loud noise. I would feel the same way if it was a grown man screaming, but would you tell me to stop being an asshole then? No. That was mean that you even said we were being assholes in the first place.
proto humans?
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If you want to stay away from what did you call babies? "proto humans" wow, first off please do us all a favor and don't make a D, E or F. Also, if you can't stand kids so much. Drive to where you're going. If you're flying out of country deal with it. Also for you and everyone else that is hating on innocent babies, there is this new invention, it's great. They're called noise cancelling headphones. If you drop enough cash for a good pair which you won't have to worry about because you don't have any proto humans you can afford them. ;)
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I don't give a shit why your crotch goblin is screaming and crying. I don't want to pay a lot of money just to be forced to listen to that shit for 8 hours. Det over yourself, Karen
I dunno, I'd rather listen to somebody's "crotch goblin" than some edgelord like you, you probably put the seat all the way back while someone's eating and wear massive headphones and reflective sunglasses inside
You make me sad
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All those people asking for tolerance should like this feature, the more tolerant people can voluntarily take the seats next to babies, while those that don't want to be surrounded by what could be loud screaming babies (where even noise cancelling headphones don't help) can avoid a situation they already know can be unpleasant. It's a win win for everyone.
Would there be a feature for loud screaming autistic/mentally ill kids and/or adults who scream and carry on the whole flight? No, that would be discrimination
Nothing against parents of infants who fly but if and when I fly I am already having stress and I have auditory sensitivity and not enough money to pay for noise canceling headphones that will work against a crying baby in a metal tube. I literally CAN'T handle babies crying for my mental, emotional, and physical health. I would love an option to fly baby free but this Japan Airline thing is a close second. So for people who are saying that people need to "Just Get Over It" some of us CANT "Get Over It"
Could you please tell which noise cancelling headsets you are referring to that are able to cancel out frequencies babies cry at? Never mind the cost. Just asking out of professional curiosity.
so you can afford a plane ticket but not good headphones?
Yah, I have flown to Japan for less than a good pair of noise cancelling headphones twice now. I never pay more than 300 for international flights and the good headphones that actually noise cancel are 200 easy
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If you can afford to fly internationally you can afford noise cancelling headphones. There are cheap ones for like 40 bucks that work pretty decent. Also I'm sure there is anxiety meds for that. Thirdly, if you're traveling locally, drive. Or take a bus.... no wait don't do that definitely crying babies and MUCH worse on a bus. So yea drive. Maybe even go to your doc before a trip and ask for something to relax you? Like a Valium? Just trying to help.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I have a bad hearing but some tunes are just like nails on a blackboard or like someone drives a chainsaw through the brain really slow. They hurt physical.
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exactly
Won't you have to wait until AFTER all the babies seats are booked to see where they are? By that time all of the good seats are taken.
For people who see this as negative, I don't understand you. We all know the baby is not bad or doing it on purpose, everyone gets it but that doesn't mean you'd like to sit near one. You can already choose your seat anyway, it's just added information of source of noise so you can mitigate your discomfort, with no impact to the baby or the family.
On my long flights, there were always the babies crying the whole time. I saw that parents really tried to calm them down. When I get annoyed, I just think about their miserable parents.
To the people who say it is no problem--try having your seat kicked and the "touch screen" turned into a "punch screen" for a 17 hour flight. I have 5 kids, and I have earned a lot of patience over the years. Others do not have that opportunity. I fly a lot and what I do NOT see are people who "don't mind" offering to change seats with someone that DOES mind.
what kind of babies have you seen? normal babies can't punch screens or kick seats
The key is get a middle seat so you won't be near a child or baby cause they would need to be near the parent.
Being a parent I definitely sympathize with parents whose infant cries non-stop on flights. It's hard on them as well as us. There have been times during my long-haul flights when I have offered to take a crying baby while the mom uses the rest room or just simply gets a break. The ones that get on my last nerve are the misbehaving toddlers/little kids and their parents who act like they have no control over it. One kicked my seat and pulled my hair for hours before the little angel finally fell to sleep. Yeah, mom couldn't stop him. I figure if she's lost control of a four year old, there is no hope for the kid's future.
I fly business class long distances. I sure as hell ain't gonna sit next to a screaming kid after paying thousands for a flight.
So many idiots commenting on this. Of course, they're parents. Probably can't control their kids either. I hope this is just a step towards CHILDFREE FLIGHTS. As a Frequent flyer I can understand if a baby makes a little noise, the problem is the parents that usually act all superior and as if they have more privileges just because they have a child and they don't care about the other passangers. RME.
I'd rather have a warning of where the annoying gabby assholes who won't STFU are sitting.
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this. Seems like a win-win for all involved. I would definitely take advantage of it. It doesn't mean you're an intolerant baby hater just because you prefer not to be seated with one if given a choice.
I don't understand the outrage over this. It's just a tool to help customers make an informed decision or warn them about a potentially uncomfortable situation so that they can prepare for it. Isn't having less flight-related surprises a good thing?
not only in planes but also in buses..once i had a 14 hour trip on a bus and there was a kid, maybe 5-6 years, she was sitting on the isle seat. her uncle was in front of me. apart from being noisy(the kid) uncle is also very noisy like the bus was their house. not to mention her uncle reclined his seat that it is already hitting my knees. the whole trip was a pain to me.
So 300 likes is viral now?..
Who wants to sit next to a screaming baby? No one. But if you do: EARPLUGS should be provided by the airlines which will only “soften’ the noise. Still, one can hear a crying infant 5 rows up, so what difference does it make?
This is good, I guess? I mean, as a traveller, I appreciate any kind of effort made for the sake of the passengers' comfort and safety. However, personally, crying kids don't really bother me. It's whiny grown ass adults the annoying ones. Like those young ladies I had to endure on my previous flight. Everything about their words and voice tone was shouting "look at me, I'm spoiled!"
Personally after years of working the night shift on a paediatric ward crying babies are no problem with me
I know people who work with small children but at their free time they do not want to listen any screaming children.
I know, right? Plus you are in a plane, it's not like you won't hear it anyhow.
Does it really matter where you are sitting if there is a screaming baby on board?
This is so dumb I'm sorry, but as a mom and babysitter we have no control over when our children want to cry or not. We can try our hardest to make them stop and give them everything in our power to make them happy but they will not stop. You where a baby and you cried and trust me, there is no more embarrassing thing than knowing your inconveniencing someone especially in that settings. Babies don't cry in convenient times and it is our jobs as mothers or parents in general to make them stop. I understand that. But sometimes they won't and we are more embarrassed than you are angry at us for being there next to you.
"Ultimately, there are more important things to worry about."
I take a sleep mask, noise-cancelling earphones and earplugs, because there are all kinds of disturbances.
Isn’t this why there are classes in the airplane though?
I'm a Nana kids cry BUT would they put an icon on a seat to warn me a BIG person was sitting there or someone with bad body odour. Hate both those things.
yeah, babies can't help being babies, but fat people and smelly people can. but you know, body positivity and all, better to just hate children instead
Very good idea! This should be made standard practice everywhere. I mean, it's just an extra piece of information for you to consider when choosing the seats. Dunno why some people don't want to be more informed. I do! :-)
I have a feeling that the people saying "thank you" do not have kids, and the ones saying "get over it" are parents, and I, a father of 2 wonderful boys (not infants though), join in by saying "get over it guys" 😁.
Our seats have no babies seating. The only flight we fly are Singapore, and ANA airlines, it's clean and safe, we would not go for others. If there are no other choice we would just cancel.
babies make a plane unsafe? lol...
I'd gladly suffer a screaming baby over a 20 stone person in the seat next to me encroaching into my space......... Is there an emoji for that scenario..?
I would pay extra for flights with no children. Once I had a woman change her babies diaper on the tray table and another time a kid grabbed my laptop and started tapping on it while the mother did nothing.
Babies, i can understand, it the unruly toddlers that i can't tolerate.
Love this!! I don't want to sit next to babies
Never been annoyed by a baby. Have been annoyed many times by drunken idiots in stag and hen parties, shouting, swearing and generally running the flight attendants ragged.
i was on a flight once with a row of drunk german dudes sitting behind me, they were carrying on like complete twonks, seriously loud, abusive to the staff and disruptive...then they had the audacity to eyeball a parent who's baby made a little sound
They should just put the kids down in the hold with the other pets.
I have been oddly lucky and never had a baby, or one that cried at all at least, on a plane. Now I'm afraid to fly again since I jinxed it!
Gsundar makes a good point. I have both misophonia, but good tolerance. I can't handle gum smacking or moaning sounds, but my tolerance method is just putting in some earbuds and chilling to the tunes.
But it only shows where seats that are appropriate for travelling with small children are located. It is more of a tool to show the likelihood of having babies in your immediate surroundings instead of telling where exactly everyone will be seated during the flight. I think it is helpful to people who do maybe not realize that bulkhead positions are often used by parents and might get surprised by all the little ones around them. Just a helpful tool, no need to make a big deal out of it or accuse people of being the problematic one just because they prefer to sit a little further from small children if they can influence the odds to be in their favour. Parents have needs, babies have needs, but some adults might also have their needs (sensory issues, migraine, whatever) - just respect each other.
i'm torn between liking this idea, wishing it was for like 2-6 year olds instead because those are usually the ones that actually try to annoy you, and worrying that this is an unsafe thing to do because pedos now know exactly where the children sit. as someone who's been on a 7 hour flight with a 5 year old kicking my seat from behind while the parent says "boys will be boys" instead of stopping them, i think a lot of parents assume because their kids are good or they are good parents that translates to other parents too, but that's not the case. i can totally understand being wary of sitting near a kid on a flight because you don't know if this is a good parent or not, but i don't think the under 2 crowd is the real worst culprit.
My I have three suggestions? 1) Buy noise-cancelling headsets. If you can afford long-haul flights, you can afford these. 2) Just act human on a flight. Marking "danger-zones" beforehand will just give a wrong impression. Do you also want an icon for smelly and drunken people? What about one for disabled ones? You get the point I guess. Just talk to people and be friendly to each other. 3) If you really want to do something, be the first to stand up and walk to the parents of a crying child. But not to rant at them, like all the others, but to affirm them. And see a miracle happen: parents get more relaxed, baby gets more relaxed. Works surpsiringly often.
Have you considered that some of us who would be on said flights with said crying infants have auditory sensitivity tied to a disability ourselves and can't afford a set of really good noise-canceling headphones that can outdo a crying infant and that maybe we ourselves aren't paying for the flight but a relative?
would you be as whiny about an autistic adult screeching throughout the whole flight?
Frankly, just ask a flight attendant to be relocated. This usually is possible, at least after take off. Still no luck? Ask fellow passengers to relocate, explaining the situation. Still no luck? Yes, that may happen. And sometime life isn't fair.
Then get your considerate relative to buy you those headphones. As a person who (maybe) can't help being in a situation you can't handle, you have got to respect other people(babies) in the same situation. Make the best of it.
I get very severe sudden onset headaches and a baby's crying is like being drilled in the brain, but it isn't their fault and crying is all they have to communicate. Most parents do their best. So I just do all that I can with some pretty good noise cancelling headphones and just swallow down some painkillers and hope the pain doesn't drive me nuts so that I end up joining in with the little baby!
Hans stop making logical points at BP. They'd rather just hate on children.
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Oh yeah you said you travel a lot right? Thanks!
I do. Occasionally with babies on board. :)
May I have ONE suggestion? Don't bring a baby on a plane. I don't want to spend extra extra money on gadgets just to block out your screaming kids
Tbh most of the commenters are 100% more rude than the OP. People have every right to plan their jorneys to be as relaxing as possible. Of corse babies don't cry to spite people. But that doesn't mean everyone has to be subjected to it. A lot of travellers are stressed out and don't deserve to be put through more stress. The whole "YOU are the problem" or "Adults are worse" is just internet addicts trying to be relevant.
I'd pay extra not to sit next to a screaming kid!
Just set the back for families and be done with it.
Many babies experience the bends (like deep sea-divers do) from pressurizing and depressurization of the plane’s cabin. Both cause me extreme pain in my head. Notice how babies only cry most times when the plane is taking off or landing. People have no idea what is happening to the babies (or me) which is why I think it is cruel to take babies along on flights. Far wiser to take a train or bus.
lol, all the adults here acting more childish than the babies. waaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa
I've never understood why anyone would take a baby on a long-haul flight. Surely it would be easier to just rent one when you get to your destination.
loooooool
Ha ha ha ha. Haters gonna hate.
Many people also wish for hotels that are only for adults and are alcohol free. That is because they want to actually sleep at the hotel and not listen screaming children or partying adults the whole night. :) I have also stayed at hotels where it is impossible to sleep because of the loud noises.
Lets be honest if an adult screamed the whole flight s/ he most like would be arrested. This isnt about hating on babies...its the disturbance they make. I dont want a drunk dude screaming and i dont want a baby crying
Better question why are you taking a baby..not an toddler..a baby on a plane...you know damn well the air pressure hurts their ears and it will be screaming the whole flight..
The same reason you're in the plane... To travel to a destination.
So just get over it or tolerate it... hmmm. How bout we have an option to separate us from them? Because as mentioned there are many idiot parents who don’t care that others may have work to do, wish to sleep or like myself get my nerves jangled in response to high pitched wailing and being totally powerless to take myself out of the situation/distressing/torturous environment. Not only annoying, but no one wants to hear a child cry. It breaks your heart too. And again helpless to help. So please let us separate if we want. Those it doesn’t bother, feel free to remain. I’ve had too many bawlin baby headaches on flights, and once a violent episode of vomit from a child land on me. Six hours of crying and smelling bad! No, I don’t think I can just “ get over it”
Great!
I absolutely hate screaming kids on a plane. It's why we invented headphones, 18" laptops and animal vs grandma pornography. No need to ask for another seat as the parents will do that for you.
Generally I am fine if I remember my headphones but as an Autistic person, it can be sensory overload and frustrates me.
Generally I am fine if I remember my headphones, but as someone with Autism, it can be very overwhelming and frustrating for me.
It should show all children. I don’t pay hundreds of pounds to be kicked in the back for hours. In fact airlines should seat children together at the front.
This is dumb. So I pick a seat away from a baby in a completely enclosed flying tube so no matter where you sit you'll still hear it, it's not a friggin hotel where you can get on a different floor. Also most of the time babies cry on a plane because their ears aren't popping. Not like you can give a 6 month old gum. I flew with my kids when they were little. I gave them a little bit of benadryl before the trip and they were fine. Cleared their sinuses and helped them sleep. People are stupid.. Please pick a seat away from me. lol. Oh and then when you pick that baby free row, I hope parents book a seat next to you with twins. lol
shouldnt drug your kids for nobody.
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oh jesus mary and joseph, get the fuck over it already. babies are human beings at an early stage of life, stop trying to dehumanise them. they cry, as did everyone at that age. and they need to travel. get some good headphones and grow the fuck up.
An unnerving sound is unnerving regardless of the source. You can sugarcoat it as much as you want and try to shame people for being disturbed by an unnerving sound, but fact is that a prolonged loud noises disturbs everyone.
What would you say if this was about a certain type of disabled person screeching far more loudly and disruptive than a baby? You'd have to bite your lips and handle it then. right?
Bit harsh there on old people, most of the ones I have known don't smell!!
they should be shamed, because there's all manner of people who live, travel and work all around you, and life can't stop because you're "unnerved" by something. i'm not the one sugarcoating, you're the one sugarcoating reality. babies cry, old people smell, and life happens. You as an adult have the power and capacity to help yourself either by wearing headphones or growing up and dealing with it, babies dont
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Get over yourself, VALERIE. No one likes your sex trophy. Take the damn car instead of subjecting the rest of us to your nastiness.
I don't have kids, edgelord Frankenfuck. You get over yourself, reality denier.
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why they dont mark seats of dumb assholes ... ????????????????? That will help me a lot, thank you ;D
Cause you'd know where you'd have to sit?
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You'd take up every single one of them