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Lydia Smith • commented on 12 posts 8 months ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Only 'most' animals?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

And meat-eating is eco-friendly? Good grief, wake up.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Only 'most' animals?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

And meat-eating is eco-friendly? Good grief, wake up.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

What utter rubbish. The commodity price of beef is considerably higher than that of corn. https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/think-going-vegan-is-too-expensive

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Vegans already know. But they are doing a hell of a lot more towards a perfect solution than non-vegans are.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Yes that's right, we vegans can't possibly care about people, it has to be one or the other.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Yet we can feed billions of farmed animals. It is animal agriculture that is keeping parts of the world starving.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

What?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Gosh you know one person who was apparently hospitalised after attempting a vegan diet - that settles it then. None of us should ever go vegan. Jeez - just do a little research, do.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Let others live their life? Then how about let animals live their lives? Radical thought!

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

The dairy and egg industries aren't a paradise either. And why do you assume that people who care about animals don't give a damn about people? It's not either/or.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

at last - you'd think non-vegans never eat a single solitary vegetable, grain or piece of fruit ever

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

you clearly have no idea either

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Lydia Smith • upvoted 12 items 11 months ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Tell me, Max, I guess you still ... KILL ... all those cattle you raise. So how would they see your argument?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Oh, veganism is not 100% cruelty free? Then let's kill animals instead ... :-( Most amazed about the argument "Immigrants get exploited for crops" ... pray tell, who do you think works in slaughterhouses, most often under horrible conditions???

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Tell me, Max, I guess you still ... KILL ... all those cattle you raise. So how would they see your argument?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Stupid article that tries to blur the lines by saying that what wont work for like 1% of the population means that the other 99% are justified in doing. If there was a vastly superior alien species and like 5% of them "needed to eat humans to survive", would you just shrug and go "well, they're superior... I guess we gotta sacrifice one of our newborns once every month to keep them alive even though the other 95% don't need human flesh to live"? No, we would try to find a way to feed those beings without killing our own. This article pretends to be ignorant the reality that animal agriculture takes up significantly more land than plant agriculture and that plant agriculture is used to feed animals... so even if "you are still hurting animals to grow crops", you're still growing plants to grow to feed animals. And it takes a lot more land to feed animals to feed humans than to feed humans directly. Ignores that a lot of problems brought up can be resolved by GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD!

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Bored panda, why the f*ck you share again such an old post that as been said again and again is full of s**t ? Seriously clickbait is stupid.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

you can perfectly go without meat. Just open the door of a dietetician. And you'll see meat is not mandatory at all for human body

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

you simply made a classic (and dangerous) error lot of vegans do. to start that diet without doing some research on your body needs. But if you eat balanced (which is easy once you know) that diet is perfectly wealthy. You were probably in deficiency of lot of stuff

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

well i guess any subject has the right to debate. but i agree that the author probably never read how disastrous meat eating is on an ecological level

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

well considering humans are animals, and that they have the possibility not to kill, for me hunting is a simple fun hobby. and killing an animal for fun is immoral. also any hunter who respects himself/herself love his/her dog. why he/she loves the dog, and kill the deer. there's a kind of illogism into this. animals certainly prays onto themselves, but veganism never claimed to recreate the whole world. they don't need t; as killing in the animal world is 100% about surviving, and 100% cruelty free. vegans don't want to abolish praying into animals world, vegans try to end animal abuses caused in 100% of the cases by humans. and if you want a strong law to ever be born someday, you need to acknoledge the fact that killing an animal should be reserved for extreme situations. a bit like killing a human criminal that had gone wrong

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

i agree that veganism is serious and shouldn't be taken lightly, or you could face serious health problems. But it's pretty easy to paliate the loss of meat. I just came out from my dietetician 3 days ago, and she confirmed to me that veganism being an unbalanced diet is a myth. as long as you eat balanced, there's no risk at all. you can find iron, and calcium in algaes, and leguminous plants

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

if your parents live in the countryside, i believe they own cats, dogs, or even horses. Do they eat them also??

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

ok here's my (vegan) song. perfection doesn't exist nowhere. but, veganism doesn't encourage force breeding, and baby animals being sold 1€ to the slaughterhouse (for milk). veganism doesn't encourage animals farms where animals never see the sun light of their lives. veganism per squared km is tremendously more productive, and less polluting than the meat industry. veganism condemns animals being considered as a furniture (can be kiled), thus gives a chance for a serious protection law to be born someday. veganism can (very) easily be local, and organic (and save the quinoa. never heard such a bull seriously lol). red meat is known to be a cancers vector. meat industry is rain forest deforestation main vector. veganism is logical. we treat cats, and sheeps with same regards. I AM NOT bashing the meat industry. Just want to be clear about that one. just pointing out what meat eating consequences are here

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Stupid arguments. What is most of the harvested crops used for? Obvious not to feed animals, they don't need any food right

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Lydia Smith • upvoted 3 items 1 year ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

This goes in the other direction way better: A non-vegan life is not 100 % cruelty, but it certainly is the closest we can get. Actually, I'm a bit impressed about how much ignorance towards the violence towards animals is expressed by the entitled brats that think they are the victims for being told a reality they had no problem to cause. The violence against humans connected with animal productions also is an issue that, by decision of said entitled brats, is not to be mentionend, because their little feeling-feelies can hurty-hurty after they came to knowy-know about them - which this kind of human, of course, never does on purpose - the less you know, the happier you are!

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

It's pretty self-righteous to consider ordering the killing of a sentient being and then demanding that everyone shall mind their own business, while said sentient being never was asekd, never agreed and never met anything but cost-effective cruelty in their entire life. Grow up, accept that your choices, no matter how common they are, have an effect and nothing justifies to keep said effect out of discussion. The maximum of self-righteous BS is reached when, after binging on meat and telling people to mind their own business, these exact same people start bragging about food being thrown away, as if this really was worth mentioning, in relation to the food-wasting practices they themselves engage in and want to keep unjudged - what if I said, I throw away as much 99% vegetables as I want - and want you to STFU, mind your own business and leave me alone with your preachy Blabla?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

It misses the point again. Veganism is literally defined as: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." With the emphais on 'as far as possible'. https://youtu.be/ASbzfvJwxLQ https://youtu.be/49NpNt6V3kY https://youtu.be/PrXrAytJq4E https://youtu.be/7WYq8dEZ4pw https://youtu.be/g5L2ujK-dgg

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Lydia Smith • upvoted 2 items 2 years ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

I immensely disagree. A lot of times the people who make the decision to go vegan do it both for the safety of animals as well as the environmental impact of animal factories, so they tend to get the produce from farmers markets and sometimes their own backyard. It's terrible to discourage veganism because the meat-eaters are seeing the images of these physically and mentally damaged animals laying lifeless or being shredded alive. Veganism may require labor, but doesn't everything? Look at where we get our phones, computers and devices. This labor further adds to climate change as well as harm to young children and older people. Us vegans are not at fault here, and the animals are not being harmed, and pollution is not being added to, whereas no one can say the same regarding meat industries. Meat-eaters can't be mad at vegans for not doing something about the "cruelty" when they are doing far worse by buying into the meat-industry. It's hypocritical, and frankly not their place.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Total bullshit article. Veganism is cruelty free. Stop killing animals retard.

Lydia Smith • upvoted 4 items 3 years ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Always the same - anything bad that isn't explicitely and only anti-vegan is to blame on vegans, while the production of meat is actually turning this planet in a paradise for each and every human. This is just low-level propaganda, not even missing a point, but not even aiming at any point that's a member of reality. Veganism is one way out of a few parts of cruelty, not making them disappear at once, but refusing to actively cause them. ... but haters will hate, and it is very likely to always find someone backing up the dumbest shit of meat-apology, just because "bacon, thug, YOLO!" or something alike. People treating other animals AND humans like shit will blame you for not preventing every case of humans being treated bad. Be vegan and buy one soy bean - the fact that soy beans are grown in former rainforest areas makes you guilty, even if yours were from somewhere else - buy pig's corpses that actually ate the soy grown there - you're innocent. Stupid people are simple.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Also, a lot of vegans have better iron status than people who consume milk and meat or vegetarians with high milk consumption, because milk protein disturbs the intake of iron from any source. Greens, legumes, and fresh whole-heartedly are very rich in on iron, but milk protein will wash it away... I always have to remember that when tempted to add cheese or other diary to my incredible good looking, fresh salad

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Fortunately nowadays the issue of malnutrition in vegan diets is solved an science says: if you eat a balanced diet of greens, veggies, grains and fruits the only thing you have to replace is B12. But since it stems from soil bacteria in nature, most farmers feeding grains mostly have to substitute it in cage/indoor breeding as well. So why not skip this step and substitute it directly?!

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

I am really glad, that (and maybe only alive because) there where people who didn't only mind their own buisnesses and lives when it was time to step up against slaveholders, women discrimination, rascism, rapists, childabusers companies like united fruit and monsanto ruining lives and landslides in SA etc. I really hope, people will realize, that the "lifestyle" of the rich countries is just outsourcing these problems to other countries, that dont have a stable enough government to prevent mayor companies from exploiting their citizens and environment from the cruelty we seem to have mostly overcome for decades if not centuries in the so called "developed" world.

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Lydia Smith • upvoted 6 items 4 years ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Considering that most crops on earth are harvested to feed to "meat" animals, you do far more harm by eating the animals than you would be eating the crops directly. Math. It matters.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Anything that exploits children, people or animals - by definition - isn't vegan. You're confusing plant-based diet with veganism. Veganism isn't a diet. To be vegan means you actively avoid products and practices that are known to exploit animals and people - including quinoa and palm-oil etc. To say that veganism isn't cruelty-free is an oxymoron. If it involves cruelty - it's not vegan. Free-range isn't cruelty-free, plant-based diets aren't necessarily cruelty-free, vegetarianism definitely isn't cruelty-free either but none of these are related to veganism. Veganism, by definition, is a lifestyle that seeks to exclude all practices and products that harm or exploit animals. Anyone that falls outside of this definition (including people who try plant-based fad diets or try veganism for a month and then "give up") simply are not vegan - they're average joe-blog, meat eaters. Please don't taint veganism with your lack of understanding of the definition.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Considering that most crops on earth are harvested to feed to "meat" animals, you do far more harm by eating the animals than you would be eating the crops directly. Math. It matters.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

The examples given are stupid. Being vegan doesn't require anyone to eat quinoa. Being vegan is employing those "exploited" migrants. Being vegan doesn't require anyone not to buy local. Etc, etc. "All we can do is reduce harm" is the entire point. No, I'm not vegan, but you people are fucking morons.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

"Mind your own business, plate and life" she instructs everyone in general. What a dumb cunt.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Veganism is not simply a definition of a diet, but a way of living. "The word 'veganism' denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practicable — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." – Vegan Society of the UK definition of veganism. Enough said.

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Lydia Smith • commented on 12 posts 8 months ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Only 'most' animals?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

And meat-eating is eco-friendly? Good grief, wake up.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

What utter rubbish. The commodity price of beef is considerably higher than that of corn. https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/think-going-vegan-is-too-expensive

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Vegans already know. But they are doing a hell of a lot more towards a perfect solution than non-vegans are.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Yes that's right, we vegans can't possibly care about people, it has to be one or the other.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Yet we can feed billions of farmed animals. It is animal agriculture that is keeping parts of the world starving.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

What?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Gosh you know one person who was apparently hospitalised after attempting a vegan diet - that settles it then. None of us should ever go vegan. Jeez - just do a little research, do.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Let others live their life? Then how about let animals live their lives? Radical thought!

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

The dairy and egg industries aren't a paradise either. And why do you assume that people who care about animals don't give a damn about people? It's not either/or.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

at last - you'd think non-vegans never eat a single solitary vegetable, grain or piece of fruit ever

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

you clearly have no idea either

Lydia Smith • upvoted 20 items 8 months ago

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

It can be and it certainly is more eco-friendly than using animals for food or harmfully exploiting them in other ways, so if that's your concern it's all the more reason for you to be vegan.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

It also does not mean you cannot be eco-friendly, you're making a ridiculus point. I get people saying they want to eat meat because they like the taste but your reason makes no sense.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

WHAT BS - propaganda from the meat and dairy industry to throw shade on veganism. While it might be true that one cannot live 100% cruelty free does not mean that one shouldn't try - and NEWS fer ya sanctimonious meat eaters - not only is meat/dairy eating cruel to the billions of animals that are tortured - for months, not a quick death - and killed yearly, but the meat/dairy industry is WAYYYYYY more destructive to the environment, world hunger, and health than veganism - so take yer phony BS and shove it - just admit you do not care about anyone or anything but yer effing taste buds

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Total bullshit article. Veganism is cruelty free. Stop killing animals retard.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

There are several reasons, but the top 3 are: Vegan is very good for your heart (especially when you eliminate dairy), it's good for Planet Earth, and it is good for animals.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

It's cruel because animals are harmfully exploited for it. It's not solely a matter of how they are raised, kept, or killed. If humans were treated well but then instantaneously killed to be eaten it would certainly be considered cruel, because it would be. It's the same for any other sentient species. All of the nutrients we need in order to thrive can be obtained from plant sources. Needlessly harming animals for food or anything else is animal abuse.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

It is impossible to live a cruelty free life, but then again it would be much better if humans didn't exist in the first place soooo... as much as i love animals i would go back in time to kill every single monkey just to stop humans from evolving

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Bored Panda what is wrong with you? Why would you incite hatred towards people who are just trying to be the best they can - which is the only thing we vegans are trying to do. How is that a bad thing?

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Being a vegan isn't just about cruelty-free living, it's about not putting animal products/by-products into your body. Some believe that it can cause cancer and other illnesses. Vegans don't expect the world to convert overnight but to start making changes. Change your impact on our planet.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" We're talking about the needless enslavement and slaughter of billions of sentient beings every year, the destruction of our environment, needless torture from animal testing, needless breeding of animals for pets, animals used for entertainment. Of course no vegans would condone human exploitation, and I think most people strive towards living a life style that does not support such cruelty, but before you start casting stones, there is vastly more exploitation and suffering involved in the animal products industry, from the animals themselves, slaughter house workers, meat packing plants, and all the needles suffering from people who fall ill do to animal based foods, heart disease, cancer diabetes, obesity.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Well well well... How can I say this? You know, people who work in slaughterhouses are mostly exploited immigrants. And, their ratio of employees with depression and trauma is massively higher than any other industry. So, actually, when you are eating meat, you're exploiting and traumatizing immigrants, too... unless you come to your local farmer. Hey, I but my veggies from the local farming market from Uncle Bob the farmer who makes me a neat deal... It's impossible to live 100% "cruelty-free" but let's makes it real : this is not an article talking about how going vegan is actually cruel. This is a bunch of angry, biased, non-fact based, anti-veganism comments from the internet. Really, Bored Panda? Really? That was the worst click-bait I fell for all week!

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

So because I can't stop all cruelty I should do nothing? Why not do what we can to help people AND animals? I live in a liberal town so I know a lot of vegans, & many of them DO care about cruelty to people & don't proselytize they just want others to eat less meat & support better farming practices. The world isn't as dichotomous as sensationalists would have you believe.

Someone Explained Why Veganism Is Not Cruelty Free, And It Might Make You Think Twice Before Going Vegan

Considering that most crops on earth are harvested to feed to "meat" animals, you do far more harm by eating the animals than you would be eating the crops directly. Math. It matters.

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