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Tired Of Being Asked To Work For Free, This Artist Started Drawing These Client Requests
@forexposure_txt is a Twitter account dedicated to compiling quotes from artists who were expected to work for free. It was created by artist and writer Ryan Estrada, and we previously wrote about it here.
Well now an artist has decided to take some of those quotes and use them to inspire various portraits of what she imagines those people look like. They're part of a series titled "For Exposure," and they were created for Format Magazine by Emmie Tsumura, a Toronto-based illustrator and graphic designer. Check out some of our favorites below. If you're an artist then chances are that more than a few of them will resonate with you!
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Fundamental misunderstanding of the mediums of art. Physical mediums, each and every single one of them, have their own advantages and limitations. Digital media has advantages and limitations as well. All of them require technique, skills, time, energy and material. If you don't have money to pay for art, you don't get art.
And in the end the end the artist doesn't receive a single penny out of the hard work he/she might've done, while the business makes thousands of dollars BECAUSE the artwork helped with it. That's "business" for ya!
How about instead of spending money on beer as payment, you use that money to pay the photographer?
Because probably he wanted to pay them with a beer or two.
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Are these to be good-a*s pics, or good a*s-pics? Either way, better pay some good-a*s money, or get to grabbin' your selfie stick.
Well, the funny and nice thing about this is: He offers more than the business people do! :D
yeah also depends on who is asking...if a good friend asked me to take a picture of me for that (even if I was a professional) in exchange of some beers I wouldn't see any problem...
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I used to have a mechanic friend who would do work on my car. As long as I supplied the parts his usual charge was about $20 and a couple beers. Sure, a 12 pack may only cost about $10 which, as some have pointed out, is a pittance, but there's also the convenience factor. That's a couple beers you don't have to spend time or gas driving to the store to buy, and if the work is something you really do enjoy doing anyway as a hobby, having a few beers to enjoy outside on a nice day while doing it is pretty nice. I'm a cab driver and I live on my tips. While I've never had someone try paying their fare with drinks, I've gotten plenty of tips in beer form and honestly it kinda makes my day.
Bear in mind, however, this is a close long-term friend and not a random client. You also paid him cash money for his time (probably working out to $10-20 an hour), supplied all materials (whereas most artists have to buy their own from, that's right, our pay for our work), and had an ongoing and lucrative relationship whereas the guy in the image above is asking for one quick photo session and will never come back again.
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He's looking for good a*s pics for Tindr? Might have better luck with those on Grindr.
It's a tinder profile come on how much would you so called photographers charge? Keep it real this is funny
If you hire a professional photographer, then you need to pay them for the time it took to do the shoot and edit the photos. If he doesn’t want to do that he should just take his own photo. No, I’m neither a photographer, artist, or Tinder user. Artists and artisans aren’t rich, they’re working stiffs, struggling to make a living, just like everyine else.
Load More Replies... I see both sides of this I don't even drink, sometimes these is some room to barter and trade. I'm a sous chef and I'd cook for weed!
I agree there is room to barter and trade but in a normal barter and trade situation you do npt tell the person what you're going to trade them you make offers and the trade generally of equal value to what you are getting. Would you 'so called' sous chefs ( 😉 i couldnt help it) cook a 4 course meal for one joint or one bowl?
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This one is different, since it seems like the guy is up front about it. I have accepted "payment" in pizza before. :-)
If it's your buddy, then yeah; but in that case, it's more that your buddy is asking you to do him a favor, and the beer is a "thank you", as I see it.
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Yeah ... people tried to pay me with chocolate for illustrations, I was confused ...
If you're on a website full of people desperate enough to be on tinder, you already know your profile pic doesn't matter as long as you're warm and conscious.
Good @$$ pics? I thought guys like you post d!€{ pics? Beer (and pizza) may be legal tender for paying your best friend to help you move, but it's not legal tender for anything else.
I suspect a 'good a*s pic' will be any picture of your face because you're an a*s...
Am I the only one that feels like this guy is getting way too much s**t for asking someone to take a photo and paying with beer? I don't drink and I would prefer money over beer any day, but people ask for photos all the time. It takes like thirty seconds at the most. He'll probably provide his own cell phone to get it done. Where I'm from, people do this stuff all the time, but without the beer (payment in this case), and they don't complain about not getting anything. Rant over. I get that you should pay your artists, but I personally see very little issue with this one, unless he's actually asking a professional photographer or company. In which case, you should probably present yourself better, try not using terms such as 'good-a*s pics,' and not pay them in beer.
If it's your buddy, then sure. But if it's a passing acquaintance, then the guy's out of line.
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Best offer so far... as long as you can use the beer... and it should be about 8 cartons of beer.
Let's see, you put that money on my tab, then I'll cash it out. No? Goodbye.
Depends on the beer! Is this guy an upstart brewer who happens to kick a*s at what he does? And is the photog in question a beer nerd? I've heard of worse arrangements.
I'm a therapist someone thought they could pay me for work with a MacDonalds happy meal... I don't touch that junk. No more work for them.
So do exactly what he said. Take pictures of his a*s! Then laugh as he crashes and burns on Tinder!
I saw this one before and it's still the most reasonable quote I saw on that thread.
I love the idea that he's linked the words to faces, great job Ryan! The amount of people who still ask artists to work for free is insane. Artists love their work, sure, but there are many cases where we just have to make money. And this costs time, focus and energy. Whether people want to accept it or not: Being an artist / designer is also a job and it's not always fun.
Sometimes artists shoot themselves in the foot, though. I know a couple who left parts of their portfolio with people "for approval" who later howled that, "It was GIFT! You gave it to us as a sample!" As a full time artist, I don't work for free. Ever.
There's a website dedicated to these situations. It's called Clients from Hell. This kind of stuff gets posted there all the time. I can only attribute these client notions to two attitudes in the general population. 1) Doing almost anything creative (art, writing, etc.) is not "real" work... you know, the kind of work that drenches you in sweat when you do it. 2) If you enjoy it, it's not "real" work. If either of these two conditions are present (and Heaven help you if both are), you should be embarrassed to be paid for what you do.
Yeah, same thing with musicians. As one of them I constantly hear people saying: "ohhhhh it must be very nice for you to connect hobby with work. You have to be very happy!" No, people. It's a job like any other. Of course, it sometimes gives pleasure but there is also very very much hard work which isn't funny.
If you make crochet items or knitted ones for sale it is not uncommon for people to object to the price of the item because it is more than the cost of the yarn. They expect to get your time and skill for free. I have told several people that if they just want to pay for the yarn then go buy some and make it yourself. This is not generally well accepted and has led to hatemail.
This artist, and all artists really, should work up or find a general contract that can easily be adjusted to a given project and not do any work for these entitled jerks until there is a meeting of the minds in writing. A contract is professional and says in no uncertain terms that what you are doing is work that must be paid for. It also gives you a leg to stand on after the work is done to get your money out of said entitled jerks.
The problem is that most of the time, the artists are freelancers and as such, more likely not to receive payment for their work. One of my friends is an illustrator, and she has had to chase down money for delivered work often. They know that artists usually don't have the money to sue them to get payment. They get away with it. It's a question of valuing the work - art in general.
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OOT: As IT Programmer: People think I can teach & edit data in offices program, photoshop, hacking, stalking online profile, fix computer, handphone, laptop, fridge, dishwasher, etc... *and for free of course, coz they use "help, please.."
whoops that link didn't work http://amzn.to/2u4NMNV
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Like anyone in business it is up the them to ensure both parties understand what is expected. In the day of computers everything can be documented so I would just send off a little agreement and work out everything. A deposit should be asked for and if they don't give one then I wouldn't do any work, little time wasted. There is no shame in asking or expecting to be paid for any work someone does, no matter who is doing the asking. My dad was a painter and a drummer and always worked out the details beforehand and always got some upfront money, he had 6 kids to feed.
This will get you lots of exposure. Yes, that's ironic. However, putting a bunch of these up as profile pics and on your website, if you have one, will have the beneficial side effect of driving away any number of non-paying potential "customers." There are a number of old-fashioned words for these people: Leech, soak, freeloader, sandbagger. Also: con artist and thief.
We get at least one request a month to play bagpipes for "exposure". If I want exposure I'll lift my kilt....
the issue is that (whether print art or musician) people will continue to have no esteem and show up with free art. when we put our feet down and tell them to pay us, we will be paid. i went to the juilliard school of music and it was demanded of me often (still is) to play for free. i was offered a "job" about 10 years ago with the Loveland (CO) "opera company". there were over 30 services (1.5-3 hours each - rehearsals and performances) and the pay for 70+ hours was about $250.00. i told the director that i would not be able to make 4 services and was summarily told that my pay would be docked. now, in LA or NY (where i had been a union member, a service is compensated about $250/service. when i told her that i would not be able to play for less than $3.00 an hour - i was afterall a juilliard grad, she told me - screaming - "you'll never work in this town again" a week later i booked jobs for $150/hour. so... have some esteem folks. don't work for nothing.
Can we please put what others say about how much they loved PAYING for ur work That would be so uplifting!!!!
The worst is people with other jobs who do what the artist does as a hobby [I am talking about professional photography in this case] and do it for a pittance or free, because [it's their hobby], thus bringing down the market in the area. If plumbers or hairdressers would do this it would be devastating. Just imagine some rich bltch opening a salon for the lulz [it's her hobby] and charging next to nothing. They are basically saying "get a 'proper' job like mine." Insulting and patronizing.
Either the part-timers product would be so bad that it doesn't affect the market for the professional (bad work for no or little money), or the part-timers product is comparable, in which case maybe the "professional's" product isn't worth as much as they think it is.
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I relate so much to this! As a photographer there is no end to the request for freebies
Fun and gut wrenching all at once. Nice work Emmie, cool brush and ink work.
I was a translator with my own limited company when before I went on pension. Don't ever let anybody take advantage of you. The tax authorities will be on your side if you report the free loaders. "You owe me a favour" is nonsense on any language.
I hate automatic corrections...in any language
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If I had $100 for each time I did something for the "profile"...I'd be getting paid.
I'm all over this-I have reached a very ripe old age and STILL get these sort of answers-and a wall of silence/butthurt when I dare to mention money...yet ,of course they would never consider doing anything for free....I really hate it-in NZ,we are conditioned to feel uncomfortable speaking about money;so it makes it even harder....
"I won't share it unless we work together. Otherwise it's your property". Thanks Roland you sure know how to make me feel special and work for free.
Draw a hat. Is a baseball cap that has blue lines with black stripes on the rounded crown and black and white checkered pattern on the S peak extended front.
The ones above that I have personally experienced: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (Bali, not Jordan though), 7, 9, 10, 12
In my years as a commercial illustrator I heard a lot of similar comments from potential clients. I always remember a quote, the author of I can't remember but he had gone to interview Picasso and saw a sketch in the trash, picked it up and asked if he could have it. I also forget the amount of money Picasso said he could have it for, but it was in the thousands. I got it.
this is the same attitude that insists that teachers don't need to get paid. I'm sorry if you hate your job, but just because someone loves their job doesn't mean that they do it for free.
We the artists have to draw the line and know our limits. Sometimes we certainly can offer pro bono work but repeatedly asking for pro bono work is an abuse of professionalism.
All contractors (in construction esp) submit proposals, then, if approved, submit a contract with 30%/30%/30% payment schedule. This seems reasonable to me for artwork. Either way, written contract is mandatory. Emails count.
Did Bored Panda pay the artist for these cartoons? They're great, hope the website got the point...
Hey, mr. Gas man, how about you fill my tank for free, and I will tell everyone what great service you give? Or you, mr. Grocer. Hook me up with some free meat out of the goodness of your heart? Or you, mrs. Landlady. Let me live here rent free out of support for the artistic community? No? Then..DON'T ASK FOR ANY FREE ART!
I am not a graphic artist. I am an IT professional and I get this all the time. People want me to "look" at their computer or mobile device. For nothing of course.
""Oh, you work in computers? Can you fix mine? I can't seem to log into my email...." "Um, I'm a Project Manager. And I'm not on the clock right now. My bill rate is $185/hr." Usually telling people your bill rate shuts them up in any context. I'm a freelance photographer and when I smell "... hey can you take these pictures of my family for me?" the first thing I say is "my bill rate is $150/hr" the conversation is over.
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Artists, yes, but writers have been in this particular stew for centuries! I have a client who has owed me over $10,000 for YEARS!
Hi guys. I'm more of a part time freelancer. Once my boss at work asked me if I could draw portraits of all the supervisors including hi self. When I asked how much would he pay? He looked at me and chuckled "pay?" it's for the department, be a team player." I then chuckled and said $2000 or forget the whole thing. He looked annoyed and said $2000? Are u nuts? I just walked away and said forget the portraits boss just hang pictures lol
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER gives credit to the people who make their background music for their videos. Word is spreading...
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER give or list the credits for people who make the background tracks for their videos. SMH. Just found out the word is spreading....
Lots of people in other industries also get asked to do unpaid work. It's not just in the creative industry. I've been asked to run analysis beyond the demands of the project, or even to do collect additional data for free, with the client justifying it as "an opportunity to try an analysis you wouldn't usually do". There are too many people who think that just because a product / service does not have a intangible end result, it costs nothing.
I do hope that the artist is being paid for boredpanda's use of their art to generate advertising revenue
There's actually a transaction here, not cash and not "exposure." The artist gets control over content. Boredpanda provides hosting services at no cost to the artist; think of it as rent-free billboard space.
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So many of these drawings speak to me. I am being asked to do work for nothing and to give away a few things is fine but when demands are made an no mention WHAT SO EVER of sharing profits is discussed, I am making myself less and less available now. They cannot get what is in my head on their own and they cannot take photos like I can... Im sure if shoe was on other foot, they would be upset. I need to put food on my table and a roof over my head. How do you all stop the madness? I should be compensated for my work!
I think this is amazing. Right now, several of those drawings speak to me. I dont mind giving a few things away but when people start demanding my time and not offering me a DIME.... Im beginning to be less and less available. Favors dont pay my bills. Shanon
It's not just artists who are asked to work for free! I'm a digital marketing consultant and I get "offers" almost every week to work on start-ups for a share of future profits. Seriously?
great work but hard to accept these kind of people... no more talking ever...
The reason people think they can get away w/o paying is because there are so many poor artists willing to do it. Same with any cheap labor.
I think it's the up-and-coming artists who agree to do things for free. Poor artists will settle for little pay, and might end up cheated out of that anyway, with no recourse. How do you sue someone when you barely have enough money for bills?
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I think the artist is racist. I see only drawings of white people there.
Are you joking 😂 there were asians in there too lol
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I love the idea that he's linked the words to faces, great job Ryan! The amount of people who still ask artists to work for free is insane. Artists love their work, sure, but there are many cases where we just have to make money. And this costs time, focus and energy. Whether people want to accept it or not: Being an artist / designer is also a job and it's not always fun.
Sometimes artists shoot themselves in the foot, though. I know a couple who left parts of their portfolio with people "for approval" who later howled that, "It was GIFT! You gave it to us as a sample!" As a full time artist, I don't work for free. Ever.
There's a website dedicated to these situations. It's called Clients from Hell. This kind of stuff gets posted there all the time. I can only attribute these client notions to two attitudes in the general population. 1) Doing almost anything creative (art, writing, etc.) is not "real" work... you know, the kind of work that drenches you in sweat when you do it. 2) If you enjoy it, it's not "real" work. If either of these two conditions are present (and Heaven help you if both are), you should be embarrassed to be paid for what you do.
Yeah, same thing with musicians. As one of them I constantly hear people saying: "ohhhhh it must be very nice for you to connect hobby with work. You have to be very happy!" No, people. It's a job like any other. Of course, it sometimes gives pleasure but there is also very very much hard work which isn't funny.
If you make crochet items or knitted ones for sale it is not uncommon for people to object to the price of the item because it is more than the cost of the yarn. They expect to get your time and skill for free. I have told several people that if they just want to pay for the yarn then go buy some and make it yourself. This is not generally well accepted and has led to hatemail.
This artist, and all artists really, should work up or find a general contract that can easily be adjusted to a given project and not do any work for these entitled jerks until there is a meeting of the minds in writing. A contract is professional and says in no uncertain terms that what you are doing is work that must be paid for. It also gives you a leg to stand on after the work is done to get your money out of said entitled jerks.
The problem is that most of the time, the artists are freelancers and as such, more likely not to receive payment for their work. One of my friends is an illustrator, and she has had to chase down money for delivered work often. They know that artists usually don't have the money to sue them to get payment. They get away with it. It's a question of valuing the work - art in general.
Load More Replies... OOT: As IT Programmer: People think I can teach & edit data in offices program, photoshop, hacking, stalking online profile, fix computer, handphone, laptop, fridge, dishwasher, etc... *and for free of course, coz they use "help, please.."
whoops that link didn't work http://amzn.to/2u4NMNV
Load More Replies... Like anyone in business it is up the them to ensure both parties understand what is expected. In the day of computers everything can be documented so I would just send off a little agreement and work out everything. A deposit should be asked for and if they don't give one then I wouldn't do any work, little time wasted. There is no shame in asking or expecting to be paid for any work someone does, no matter who is doing the asking. My dad was a painter and a drummer and always worked out the details beforehand and always got some upfront money, he had 6 kids to feed.
This will get you lots of exposure. Yes, that's ironic. However, putting a bunch of these up as profile pics and on your website, if you have one, will have the beneficial side effect of driving away any number of non-paying potential "customers." There are a number of old-fashioned words for these people: Leech, soak, freeloader, sandbagger. Also: con artist and thief.
We get at least one request a month to play bagpipes for "exposure". If I want exposure I'll lift my kilt....
the issue is that (whether print art or musician) people will continue to have no esteem and show up with free art. when we put our feet down and tell them to pay us, we will be paid. i went to the juilliard school of music and it was demanded of me often (still is) to play for free. i was offered a "job" about 10 years ago with the Loveland (CO) "opera company". there were over 30 services (1.5-3 hours each - rehearsals and performances) and the pay for 70+ hours was about $250.00. i told the director that i would not be able to make 4 services and was summarily told that my pay would be docked. now, in LA or NY (where i had been a union member, a service is compensated about $250/service. when i told her that i would not be able to play for less than $3.00 an hour - i was afterall a juilliard grad, she told me - screaming - "you'll never work in this town again" a week later i booked jobs for $150/hour. so... have some esteem folks. don't work for nothing.
Can we please put what others say about how much they loved PAYING for ur work That would be so uplifting!!!!
The worst is people with other jobs who do what the artist does as a hobby [I am talking about professional photography in this case] and do it for a pittance or free, because [it's their hobby], thus bringing down the market in the area. If plumbers or hairdressers would do this it would be devastating. Just imagine some rich bltch opening a salon for the lulz [it's her hobby] and charging next to nothing. They are basically saying "get a 'proper' job like mine." Insulting and patronizing.
Either the part-timers product would be so bad that it doesn't affect the market for the professional (bad work for no or little money), or the part-timers product is comparable, in which case maybe the "professional's" product isn't worth as much as they think it is.
Load More Replies... I relate so much to this! As a photographer there is no end to the request for freebies
Fun and gut wrenching all at once. Nice work Emmie, cool brush and ink work.
I was a translator with my own limited company when before I went on pension. Don't ever let anybody take advantage of you. The tax authorities will be on your side if you report the free loaders. "You owe me a favour" is nonsense on any language.
I hate automatic corrections...in any language
Load More Replies... If I had $100 for each time I did something for the "profile"...I'd be getting paid.
I'm all over this-I have reached a very ripe old age and STILL get these sort of answers-and a wall of silence/butthurt when I dare to mention money...yet ,of course they would never consider doing anything for free....I really hate it-in NZ,we are conditioned to feel uncomfortable speaking about money;so it makes it even harder....
"I won't share it unless we work together. Otherwise it's your property". Thanks Roland you sure know how to make me feel special and work for free.
Draw a hat. Is a baseball cap that has blue lines with black stripes on the rounded crown and black and white checkered pattern on the S peak extended front.
The ones above that I have personally experienced: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (Bali, not Jordan though), 7, 9, 10, 12
In my years as a commercial illustrator I heard a lot of similar comments from potential clients. I always remember a quote, the author of I can't remember but he had gone to interview Picasso and saw a sketch in the trash, picked it up and asked if he could have it. I also forget the amount of money Picasso said he could have it for, but it was in the thousands. I got it.
this is the same attitude that insists that teachers don't need to get paid. I'm sorry if you hate your job, but just because someone loves their job doesn't mean that they do it for free.
We the artists have to draw the line and know our limits. Sometimes we certainly can offer pro bono work but repeatedly asking for pro bono work is an abuse of professionalism.
All contractors (in construction esp) submit proposals, then, if approved, submit a contract with 30%/30%/30% payment schedule. This seems reasonable to me for artwork. Either way, written contract is mandatory. Emails count.
Did Bored Panda pay the artist for these cartoons? They're great, hope the website got the point...
Hey, mr. Gas man, how about you fill my tank for free, and I will tell everyone what great service you give? Or you, mr. Grocer. Hook me up with some free meat out of the goodness of your heart? Or you, mrs. Landlady. Let me live here rent free out of support for the artistic community? No? Then..DON'T ASK FOR ANY FREE ART!
I am not a graphic artist. I am an IT professional and I get this all the time. People want me to "look" at their computer or mobile device. For nothing of course.
""Oh, you work in computers? Can you fix mine? I can't seem to log into my email...." "Um, I'm a Project Manager. And I'm not on the clock right now. My bill rate is $185/hr." Usually telling people your bill rate shuts them up in any context. I'm a freelance photographer and when I smell "... hey can you take these pictures of my family for me?" the first thing I say is "my bill rate is $150/hr" the conversation is over.
Load More Replies... Artists, yes, but writers have been in this particular stew for centuries! I have a client who has owed me over $10,000 for YEARS!
Hi guys. I'm more of a part time freelancer. Once my boss at work asked me if I could draw portraits of all the supervisors including hi self. When I asked how much would he pay? He looked at me and chuckled "pay?" it's for the department, be a team player." I then chuckled and said $2000 or forget the whole thing. He looked annoyed and said $2000? Are u nuts? I just walked away and said forget the portraits boss just hang pictures lol
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER gives credit to the people who make their background music for their videos. Word is spreading...
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER give or list the credits for people who make the background tracks for their videos. SMH. Just found out the word is spreading....
Lots of people in other industries also get asked to do unpaid work. It's not just in the creative industry. I've been asked to run analysis beyond the demands of the project, or even to do collect additional data for free, with the client justifying it as "an opportunity to try an analysis you wouldn't usually do". There are too many people who think that just because a product / service does not have a intangible end result, it costs nothing.
I do hope that the artist is being paid for boredpanda's use of their art to generate advertising revenue
There's actually a transaction here, not cash and not "exposure." The artist gets control over content. Boredpanda provides hosting services at no cost to the artist; think of it as rent-free billboard space.
Load More Replies... So many of these drawings speak to me. I am being asked to do work for nothing and to give away a few things is fine but when demands are made an no mention WHAT SO EVER of sharing profits is discussed, I am making myself less and less available now. They cannot get what is in my head on their own and they cannot take photos like I can... Im sure if shoe was on other foot, they would be upset. I need to put food on my table and a roof over my head. How do you all stop the madness? I should be compensated for my work!
I think this is amazing. Right now, several of those drawings speak to me. I dont mind giving a few things away but when people start demanding my time and not offering me a DIME.... Im beginning to be less and less available. Favors dont pay my bills. Shanon
It's not just artists who are asked to work for free! I'm a digital marketing consultant and I get "offers" almost every week to work on start-ups for a share of future profits. Seriously?
great work but hard to accept these kind of people... no more talking ever...
The reason people think they can get away w/o paying is because there are so many poor artists willing to do it. Same with any cheap labor.
I think it's the up-and-coming artists who agree to do things for free. Poor artists will settle for little pay, and might end up cheated out of that anyway, with no recourse. How do you sue someone when you barely have enough money for bills?
Load More Replies... I think the artist is racist. I see only drawings of white people there.
Are you joking 😂 there were asians in there too lol
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